History Trivia / ArchieComicsSonicTheHedgehog

20th May '18 9:46:09 PM Calout
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** Due to the lawsuit with Ken Penders, [[ExiledFromContinuity his characters, locations or events cannot be used, mentioned or named beyond vague references.]] Elements from the game ''VideoGame/SonicChronicles'' are off-limits because of this legal mess, since the game took many elements from Ken Penders stories and was part of what provoked his lawsuit against SEGA and Creator/{{Bioware}} in the first place.
** Certain characters, including certain ones from the games, are off limits for use, such as Eggman Nega (who is not only barred from unobstructed appearances, but can't even be fully ''named'' on-panel) Mephiles the Dark and Black Doom (although the latter is still allowed to cameo in flashbacks and the Black Arms race is free for use). It also took years for characters like Cream the Rabbit and her mother to be allowed to appear in the comic, same with Emerl and Omega. Certain characters like Blaze the Cat and Marine the Raccoon had so many restrictions with what could or couldn't be done with them that the most they could do was just make cameo appearances.

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** Due to the lawsuit with Ken Penders, [[ExiledFromContinuity his characters, locations or events cannot be used, mentioned or named beyond vague references.]] Elements from the game ''VideoGame/SonicChronicles'' are off-limits because of this legal mess, since the game took many elements from Ken Penders stories and was part of what provoked his lawsuit against SEGA and Creator/{{Bioware}} in the first place.
place. Note that according to Ian, SEGA themselves were fine with them being used, and it was Archie that forbade them
** Certain characters, including certain ones from the games, are off limits for use, such as Eggman Nega (who is not only barred from unobstructed appearances, but can't even be fully ''named'' on-panel) Mephiles the Dark and Black Doom (although the latter is still allowed to cameo in flashbacks and the Black Arms race is free for use).use) due to being dead. It also took years for characters like Cream the Rabbit and her mother to be allowed to appear in the comic, same with Emerl and Omega. Certain characters like Blaze the Cat and Marine the Raccoon had so many restrictions with what could or couldn't be done with them that the most they could do was just make cameo appearances.
20th May '18 9:43:52 PM Calout
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** Even after the lawsuit and Super Genesis Wave, Penders made legally dubious threats that if Archie ever used the idea of evil Sonics [[note]]([[SubvertedTrope including]] [[LoopholeAbuse a hypothetical situation where]] Scourge was always Scourge in the Post Super Genesis Wave continuity, since Penders argued Evil Sonic transformed into Scourge on-panel)[[/note]] or [[DisneyOwnsThisTrope a Sonic multiverse in the comics]] again, he would sue. Penders also issued a similar threat for if they made Eggman Nega a universal conquerer, since he was planning for his character Ian Droid to implicitly be the original Robotnik. It's unknown how seriously Archie and SEGA took Penders' claim, especially considering that Archie continued using a multiverse in the series after the reboot with the Genesis Portals. Likewise, stories featuring Scourge, particularly the "Father and Son" back up story, were some of the few pre-reboot comics to regularly be included in comic collections.
17th May '18 2:14:30 AM Chubzhac
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* PromotedFanboy: Several examples, most prominently current head writer Ian Flynn who was known as the author of a popular fan comic [[http://www.bumbleking.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=63855#63855 Other-M]] before getting hired as head writer.

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* PromotedFanboy: Several examples, most prominently current head writer Ian Flynn who was known as the author of a popular fan comic [[http://www.bumbleking.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=63855#63855 Other-M]] before getting Other-M]]. He originally was became known to Archie Comics by sending unsolicited story proposals, but when Ken Penders abruptly quit he was offered the position of head writer, meaning he went from being a fanboy to having creative control over his favorite comic overnight. Since then, he has gone on to become one of the better known names in gaming comics, regularly being hired as head writer.by both SEGA and Nintendo to make comic adaptations of their games.


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** While SEGA had always been prone to put restrictions on what the comic could and couldn't do, the chaos surrounding Penders' lawsuit caused them to take a much more active role in managing the comic and they issued many story mandates after the comic rebooted.


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** Ken Penders has recently said that his plans leading to Issue 200 would have been the "Mobius: X Year Later" timeline and the main comic's timeline being disrupted and the comic would have rebooted with Issue 200. This conflicts with his other claims that he intended Issue 200 to depict Antoine and Bunnie's wedding.
16th May '18 9:08:07 PM Chubzhac
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** Even after the lawsuit and Super Genesis Wave, Penders threatened that if Archie ever used the idea of evil Sonics [[note]]([[SubvertedTrope including]] [[LoopholeAbuse a hypothetical situation where]] Scourge was always Scourge in the Post Super Genesis Wave continuity, since Penders argued Evil Sonic transformed into Scourge on-panel)[[/note]] or [[DisneyOwnsThisTrope a Sonic multiverse in the comics]] again, he would sue. Penders also issued a similar threat for if they made Eggman Nega a universal conquerer, since he was planning for his character Ian Droid to implicitly be the original Robotnik. Therefore, all those story possibilities were barred off or skimmed around.

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** Even after the lawsuit and Super Genesis Wave, Penders threatened made legally dubious threats that if Archie ever used the idea of evil Sonics [[note]]([[SubvertedTrope including]] [[LoopholeAbuse a hypothetical situation where]] Scourge was always Scourge in the Post Super Genesis Wave continuity, since Penders argued Evil Sonic transformed into Scourge on-panel)[[/note]] or [[DisneyOwnsThisTrope a Sonic multiverse in the comics]] again, he would sue. Penders also issued a similar threat for if they made Eggman Nega a universal conquerer, since he was planning for his character Ian Droid to implicitly be the original Robotnik. Therefore, all those story possibilities It's unknown how seriously Archie and SEGA took Penders' claim, especially considering that Archie continued using a multiverse in the series after the reboot with the Genesis Portals. Likewise, stories featuring Scourge, particularly the "Father and Son" back up story, were barred off or skimmed around.some of the few pre-reboot comics to regularly be included in comic collections.
3rd May '18 6:44:44 PM DarkChirano
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** Even after the lawsuit and Super Genesis Wave, Penders threatened that if Archie ever used the idea of evil Sonics [[note]]([[SubvertedTrope including]] [[LoopholeAbuse a hypothetical situation where]] Scourge was always Scourge in the Post Super Genesis Wave continuity, since Penders argued Evil Sonic transformed into Scourge on-panel)[[/note]] or [[DisneyOwnsThisTrope a Sonic multiverse in the comics]] again, he would sue. Penders also issued a similar threat for if they made Eggman Nega a universal conquerer, since he was planning for his character Ian Droid to implicitly be the original Robotnik. Therefore, all those story possibilities were barred off or skimmed around.



** All of the 170+ characters created by writer Ken Penders have been [[PutOnABus permanently removed from the series]] due to a major lawsuit with him, including several major characters and series mainstays. This also included characters created by other writers pre-issue 160 like Karl Bollers as SEGA didn't want to risk anything similar to the Ken Penders legal case happening again in the future. In some cases, even the unrelated characters of writers still at Archie (like Angelo Decesare) got removed.

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** All of the 170+ characters created by writer Ken Penders have been [[PutOnABus permanently removed from the series]] due to a major lawsuit with him, including several major characters and series mainstays. This also included characters created by other writers pre-issue 160 like Karl Bollers as SEGA didn't want to risk anything similar to the Ken Penders legal case happening again in the future. [[UpToEleven In some cases, cases]], even the unrelated characters of writers still at Archie (like Angelo Decesare) Decesare's characters) got removed.
3rd May '18 6:33:46 PM DarkChirano
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** All of the 170+ characters created by writer Ken Penders have been [[PutOnABus permanently removed from the series]] due to a major lawsuit with him, including several major characters and series mainstays. This also included characters created by other writers like Karl Bollers as SEGA didn't want to risk anything similar to the Ken Penders legal case happening again in the future.

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** All of the 170+ characters created by writer Ken Penders have been [[PutOnABus permanently removed from the series]] due to a major lawsuit with him, including several major characters and series mainstays. This also included characters created by other writers pre-issue 160 like Karl Bollers as SEGA didn't want to risk anything similar to the Ken Penders legal case happening again in the future.future. In some cases, even the unrelated characters of writers still at Archie (like Angelo Decesare) got removed.
3rd May '18 6:24:16 PM KamonTheSkunk
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** All of the 170+ characters created by writer Ken Penders have been [[PutOnABus permanently removed from the series]] due to a major lawsuit with him, including several major characters and series mainstays.

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** All of the 170+ characters created by writer Ken Penders have been [[PutOnABus permanently removed from the series]] due to a major lawsuit with him, including several major characters and series mainstays. This also included characters created by other writers like Karl Bollers as SEGA didn't want to risk anything similar to the Ken Penders legal case happening again in the future.
27th Apr '18 9:57:46 PM Etheru
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* RoleEndingMisdemeanor: After the lawsuit by Ken Penders, his demands for creative control and royatlies on any material that used his characters, along with several accounts of unprofessional behavior, it's likely that no publisher will ever let him write a comic book for them again.
25th Apr '18 11:17:22 PM Chubzhac
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** Ken Penders himself attempted this trope. After winning the lawsuit, he remarked that he would be willing to allow Archie to continue using his characters as long as he received royalties for every issue they were used and he had creative control over how they were used. However, both SEGA and Archie had no intention of ever working with him again and the comic rebooted and removed all of the characters and concepts he introduced.



*** Ken Penders himself attempted this trope. After winning the lawsuit, he remarked that he would be willing to allow Archie to continue using his characters as long as he received royalties for every issue they were used and he had creative control over how they were used. However, both SEGA and Archie had no intention of ever working with him again and the comic rebooted and removed all of the characters and concepts he introduced.
25th Apr '18 9:24:54 PM Chubzhac
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*** Ken Penders himself attempted this trope. After winning the lawsuit, he remarked that he would be willing to allow Archie to continue using his characters as long as he received royalties for every issue they were used and he had creative control over how they were used. However, both SEGA and Archie had no intention of ever working with him again and the comic rebooted and removed all of the characters and concepts he introduced.



** Ken Penders apparently gained some reprinting rights in his settlement with SEGA and Archie, as he intends to digitally release the "Mobius: 25 Year Later" stories alongside ''The Lara-Su Chronicles''. However, the comics are likely to be heavily edited in order to avoid further legal issues with SEGA.



** Throughout the late 2000s and early 2010s, Ian Flynn ran a blog on Archie's website where he answered fan mail as both himself and as characters from the comic. Due to the website getting redesigned, the blog and all its entries were deleted.

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** Throughout the late 2000s and early 2010s, Ian Flynn ran a blog on Archie's website where he answered fan mail as both himself and as characters from the comic. It also hosted a prose style prequel and epilogue to the "Dark Mobius" story line. Due to the website getting redesigned, the blog and all its entries were deleted.



* TorchTheFranchiseAndRun: In his final "Mobius: 25 Years Later" story line, Ken Penders had the entire time space continuum collapse in on itself, with only Sonic and Lara-Su surviving so he could potentially continue the story later on. However, when Ian Flynn began work on the comic, he decided to give the story a soft reboot as "Mobius: 30 Years Later" and he also created an alternate version of the story in his "Dark Mobius" story line. However, due to Penders' lawsuit, Archie lost the rights to his stories and characters and Penders is now planning to create his own continuation of the story.



** Currently, Ian Flynn is writing an essay known as the "Lost Hedgehog Tales," which will explain his original plan for the series, before the Ken Penders lawsuit, leading up to issue 300.

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** Currently, Ian Flynn is was writing an essay known as the "Lost Hedgehog Tales," which will would explain his original plan for the series, before the Ken Penders lawsuit, leading up to issue 300.300. He released one chapter but due to possible legal issues, as well as the possibility that he might utilize the unused plots for the IDW comic, he has put an indefinite hold on releasing any more.



** Ian Flynn really wanted to write a conclusion to ''Sonic Underground'', but ExecutiveMeddling always got in his way. He came close to being able to release the story in the fiftieth issue of ''Sonic Universe'', with official promo art even being released, but those plans were nixed in favor of writing a lead up story to ''[[ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogMegaManWorldsCollide Worlds Collide]]''. And thanks to the CosmicRetcon destroying the series' multiverse, the chances of the story ever being released are unlikely. However, Ian Flynn intends to include the story among other scrapped story plans in the Lost Hedgehog Tales.

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** Ian Flynn really wanted to write a conclusion to ''Sonic Underground'', but ExecutiveMeddling always got in his way. He came close to being able to release the story in the fiftieth issue of ''Sonic Universe'', with official promo art even being released, but those plans were nixed in favor of writing a lead up story to ''[[ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogMegaManWorldsCollide Worlds Collide]]''. And thanks to the CosmicRetcon destroying the series' multiverse, the chances of the story ever being released are unlikely. However, Ian Flynn intends to include the story among other scrapped story plans in the Lost Hedgehog Tales.
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