History TheyChangedItNowItSucks / Music

24th Apr '16 12:08:32 AM aye_amber
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* Given that the band spent the first half of their career in a perpetual state of WereStillRelevantDammit, {{Christian rock}}ers Music/{{Skillet}} were bound to get this, starting out as a {{Grunge}} band with their {{Self Titled|Album}} debut, then adopting a LighterAndSofter {{Electronica}} sound (''Hey You, I Love Your Soul'', ''Invincible''), only to then go in a DarkerAndEdgier HeavyMetal direction (''Alien Youth'', ''Collide''). Ironically enough, it was after the band found a stable sound with said ''Collide'' album that they received the most "ItSucks" furor, due to 1) sacrificing their gospelicious, openly Christian lyrics and image with vague, secular crossover allegories and macho rock star personas, and 2) having their sound and songwriting become increasingly commercialized and formulaic on their follow-ups ''Comatose'' and ''Awake''. Both of these, of course, coinciding with their switch from Ardent to AtlanticRecords. [[SellOut Selling Out]]? ExecutiveMeddling? Take your pick.

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* Given that the band spent the first half of their career in a perpetual state of WereStillRelevantDammit, {{Christian rock}}ers Music/{{Skillet}} were bound to get this, starting out as a {{Grunge}} band with their {{Self Titled|Album}} debut, then adopting a LighterAndSofter {{Electronica}} [[ElectronicMusic Electronica]] sound (''Hey You, I Love Your Soul'', ''Invincible''), only to then go in a DarkerAndEdgier HeavyMetal direction (''Alien Youth'', ''Collide''). Ironically enough, it was after the band found a stable sound with said ''Collide'' album that they received the most "ItSucks" furor, due to 1) sacrificing their gospelicious, openly Christian lyrics and image with vague, secular crossover allegories and macho rock star personas, and 2) having their sound and songwriting become increasingly commercialized and formulaic on their follow-ups ''Comatose'' and ''Awake''. Both of these, of course, coinciding with their switch from Ardent to AtlanticRecords. [[SellOut Selling Out]]? ExecutiveMeddling? Take your pick.
14th Jan '16 10:02:33 AM JTRager
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* Music/TheOcean had this happen when they released Heliocentric and Anthropocentric, two much lighter progressive metal albums compared to their older music that was far more sludge, hardcore, and doom influenced.
31st Dec '15 7:50:00 PM Prfnoff
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* A band identified (however loosely) with ProgressiveRock like Music/{{Yes}}, Music/{{Genesis}}, Music/TheMoodyBlues, Music/PinkFloyd (at least in the David Gilmour-led period), EmersonLakeAndPalmer and their offshoots or Music/{{Supertramp}}, who switches or veers more towards a "pop" style, or a {{Supergroup}} of "prog" musicians who choose to create commercial material like Music/{{Asia}} or GTR at some point can get bad press (especially in prog-rock circles) simply for adopting a more mainstream style, no matter how good or consistent the band's works are or how much heart, soul or effort they put into it. Evidently the music has no validity unless a little EpicRocking or [[ConceptAlbum Concept Albums]] are involved (or at least some Mellotron).

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* A band identified (however loosely) with ProgressiveRock like Music/{{Yes}}, Music/{{Genesis}}, Music/TheMoodyBlues, Music/PinkFloyd (at least in the David Gilmour-led period), EmersonLakeAndPalmer Music/EmersonLakeAndPalmer and their offshoots or Music/{{Supertramp}}, who switches or veers more towards a "pop" style, or a {{Supergroup}} of "prog" musicians who choose to create commercial material like Music/{{Asia}} or GTR at some point can get bad press (especially in prog-rock circles) simply for adopting a more mainstream style, no matter how good or consistent the band's works are or how much heart, soul or effort they put into it. Evidently the music has no validity unless a little EpicRocking or [[ConceptAlbum Concept Albums]] are involved (or at least some Mellotron).



* Cat Stevens followed up four albums of folk-rock and pop-rock with the classic rock influenced ''Foreigner'', an album [[NewSoundAlbum vastly different from the others in sound]] and omitting producer Paul Samwell-Smith, whom Stevens replaced, and Alun Davies, his backup guitarist. Critics and listeners were not pleased, even though it peaked at #3 on the ''Billboard'' Top 200, and his style came back with ''Buddha and the Chocolate Box'', which brought back both Davies and Samwell-Smith, the latter assisting Stevens in that album's production, and most of his fanbase. Not many of the fans stayed, however, for the synth-pop-based ''Numbers''. He managed to regain the fanbase again with ''Izitso'', an album that, while it peaked at #7 and therefore lower than ''Foreigner'', was quite successful in its own right, but ''Back to Earth'' brought the end of his career because of this (although why he quit the rock scene was coupled more with his conversion to Islam).

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* Cat Stevens Music/CatStevens followed up four albums of folk-rock and pop-rock with the classic rock influenced ''Foreigner'', an album [[NewSoundAlbum vastly different from the others in sound]] and omitting producer Paul Samwell-Smith, whom Stevens replaced, and Alun Davies, his backup guitarist. Critics and listeners were not pleased, even though it peaked at #3 on the ''Billboard'' Top 200, and his style came back with ''Buddha and the Chocolate Box'', which brought back both Davies and Samwell-Smith, the latter assisting Stevens in that album's production, and most of his fanbase. Not many of the fans stayed, however, for the synth-pop-based ''Numbers''. He managed to regain the fanbase again with ''Izitso'', an album that, while it peaked at #7 and therefore lower than ''Foreigner'', was quite successful in its own right, but ''Back to Earth'' brought the end of his career because of this (although why he quit the rock scene was coupled more with his conversion to Islam).
26th Dec '15 7:30:08 PM Kid
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* Happens a lot in heavy metal. Music/{{Metallica}} is the most famous example, starting with ''Music/TheBlackAlbum''. However, it is far more common in the underground genres, especially black metal, which often seems to have a fanbase full of StopHavingFunGuys."

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* Happens a lot in heavy metal. Music/{{Metallica}} is the most famous example, starting with ''Music/TheBlackAlbum''. However, it is far more common in the underground genres, especially black metal, which often seems to have a fanbase full of StopHavingFunGuys."
26th Dec '15 7:29:46 PM Kid
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* Happens a lot in heavy metal. Music/Metallica is the most famous example, starting with ''Music/TheBlackAlbum''. However, it is far more common in the underground genres, especially black metal, which often seems to have a fanbase full of StopHavingFunGuys."

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* Happens a lot in heavy metal. Music/Metallica Music/{{Metallica}} is the most famous example, starting with ''Music/TheBlackAlbum''. However, it is far more common in the underground genres, especially black metal, which often seems to have a fanbase full of StopHavingFunGuys."
26th Dec '15 7:27:57 PM Kid
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* Shiny Toy Guns' NewSoundAlbum ''Season of Poison''.
26th Dec '15 7:25:57 PM Kid
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* Music/{{Queen}}'s 1979-1982 period comes to mind. Music/FreddieMercury grew a [[PornStache moustache]] [[NewerThanTheyThink (no, he didn't always have one, despite what many fans seem to think)]], the band released a [[GratuitousDiscoSequence disco single]] ("Another One Bites The Dust") followed by an [[UpToEleven even more disco-influenced]] album (''Hot Space''), incorporated synthesizers into the band after a "No Synths!" tradition in the studio, and in many ways alienated their hard rock fanbase, especially in America. Queen stopped touring in North America after 1982 as a result, and would not have a major hit in America again until "Bohemian Rhapsody" was rereleased and used in the movie, ''Film/WaynesWorld'' in 1992 after Freddie's death. It's important to note that the band was never against synthesisers, they just didn't need to use them because they could make their sound effects themselves and wanted to advertise that fact. Brian May said the lack of synths in the 70's had a lot to do with how awful synths sounded at the time. They relaxed the restriction in the 80's because by then synthesizer technology had advanced to where they could actually use them musically instead of just making loud squealy noises. They remained huge in the rest of the world throughout the eighties and up to Freddie's death. The backlash was entirely in the US. "Another One Bites the Dust" is not generally classified as Disco in the [[ValuesDissonance rest of the world]] either.

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* Music/{{Queen}}'s 1979-1982 period comes to mind. Music/FreddieMercury grew a [[PornStache moustache]] [[NewerThanTheyThink (no, he didn't always have one, despite what many fans seem to think)]], the band released a [[GratuitousDiscoSequence disco single]] ("Another One Bites The Dust") followed by an [[UpToEleven even more disco-influenced]] album (''Hot Space''), incorporated synthesizers into the band after a "No Synths!" tradition in the studio, and in many ways alienated their hard rock fanbase, especially in America. Queen stopped touring in North America after 1982 as a result, and would not have a major hit in America again until "Bohemian Rhapsody" was rereleased and used in the movie, movie ''Film/WaynesWorld'' in 1992 after Freddie's death. It's important to note that the band was never against synthesisers, they just didn't need to use them because they could make their sound effects themselves and wanted to advertise that fact. Brian May said the lack of synths in the 70's had a lot to do with how awful synths sounded at the time. They relaxed the restriction in the 80's because by then synthesizer technology had advanced to where they could actually use them musically instead of just making loud squealy noises. They remained huge in the rest of the world throughout the eighties and up to Freddie's death. The backlash was entirely in the US. "Another One Bites the Dust" is not generally classified as Disco in the [[ValuesDissonance rest of the world]] either.
26th Dec '15 7:24:06 PM Kid
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* Music/VillagePeople The ''Renaissance'' Album
26th Dec '15 7:23:25 PM Kid
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* Music/ElectricLightOrchestra: ''Discovery''
26th Dec '15 7:22:55 PM Kid
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* Music/TheatreofTragedy changed from a pioneering gothic metal band on their first few albums into [[LighterAndSofter full-blown Europop]] with ''Musique'' and ''Assembly''. [[BrokenBase Many fans]] were not happy, to say the least. Then they [[TheBandMinusTheFace got rid of lead singer Liv Kristine]], who went on to form her own band, Leaves Eyes.

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* Music/TheatreofTragedy Music/TheatreOfTragedy changed from a pioneering gothic metal band on their first few albums into [[LighterAndSofter full-blown Europop]] with ''Musique'' and ''Assembly''. [[BrokenBase Many fans]] were not happy, to say the least. Then they [[TheBandMinusTheFace got rid of lead singer Liv Kristine]], who went on to form her own band, Leaves Eyes.
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