History Theatre / Wicked

10th Dec '17 9:32:33 AM JamesSwann
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** Idina Menzel and Kristin Chenoweth seemed to avert this - until Kristin’s final show... when Kristin ‘’pulls out a book that Glinda has apparently written called “how to be Popular” and starts using it in the song.’’ Idina finally can’t take it anymore and, not breaking character, absolutely cracks up cackling.

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** Idina Menzel and Kristin Chenoweth seemed to avert this - until Kristin’s final show... when Kristin ‘’pulls pulls a curve ball on Idina and ''pulls out a book that Glinda has apparently written called “how to be Popular” and starts using it in the song.’’ '' Idina finally can’t take it anymore and, not breaking character, absolutely cracks up cackling.
10th Dec '17 9:31:11 AM JamesSwann
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** Idina Menzel and Kristin Chenoweth seemed to avert this - until Kristin’s final show... when Kristin ‘’pulls out a book that Glinda has apparently written called “how to be Popular” and starts using it in the song.’’ Idina finally can’t take it anymore and, not breaking character, absolutely cracks up cackling.
29th Nov '17 11:33:00 AM harveytwh
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* AffablyEvil: The Wizard. He never once directly says a single harsh word to either Elphaba or Glinda. Some performances of "Wonderful" even have he and Elphaba share a dance before it all goes to hell. All he ever wanted was [[spoiler:to give people what they wanted and keep them happy.]]

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* AffablyEvil: The Wizard. He never once directly says a single harsh word to either Elphaba or Glinda. Some performances of "Wonderful" even have he him and Elphaba share a dance before it all goes to hell. All he ever wanted was [[spoiler:to give people what they wanted and keep them happy.]]



** After [[spoiler:Nessarose dies by Morrible dropping Dorothy's farm on her]], Elphaba holds a major grudge against Dorothy, for obvious reasons. She constantly tries to get her shoes (as in the film). When G(a)linda shows up to confront Elphaba ''again'', she yells "They're ''just shoes''!" This made a bit more sense in the novel; the shoes were actually magical, and carried major emotional baggage to boot.

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** After [[spoiler:Nessarose dies by Morrible dropping Dorothy's farm house on her]], Elphaba holds a major grudge against Dorothy, for obvious reasons. She constantly tries to get her shoes (as in the film). When G(a)linda shows up to confront Elphaba ''again'', she yells "They're ''just shoes''!" This made a bit more sense in the novel; the shoes were actually magical, and carried major emotional baggage to boot.



* HeWhoMustNotBeSeen: Dorothy, who is only present offstage twice and in silhouette once, and the Cowardly Lion [[spoiler:(as an adult)]], the only part of whom we see is his tail. [[WordOfGod According to the companion book The Grimerrie]], Dorothy and the Lion were originally both in the opening, but were written out when the writers decided that having the two most memorable characters would conflict with the idea of the show.

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* HeWhoMustNotBeSeen: Dorothy, who is only present offstage twice and in silhouette once, and the Cowardly Lion [[spoiler:(as an adult)]], the only part of whom we see is his tail. [[WordOfGod According to the companion book The Grimerrie]], Grimmerie]], Dorothy and the Lion were originally both in the opening, but were written out when the writers decided that having the two most memorable characters would conflict with the idea of the show.



*** Unfortunately, with the rhyming of things with "defy" also comes the ungrammatical "with you and I defy-ing gravity," giving a generation of theater nerds the wrong idea about the difference between "I" and "me".



* RougeAnglesOfSatin: An in-universe example with the "Congratulotions!" banner made by the Ozians to celebrate Glinda's engagement to Fiyero.

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* RougeAnglesOfSatin: RougeAnglesOfSatin:
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An in-universe example with the "Congratulotions!" banner made by the Ozians to celebrate Glinda's engagement to Fiyero.Fiyero.
** There is a backdrop that appears to label a clock face as "sideral time"; perhaps this is meant to be ''sidereal'' time. There's also the loose interpretation of grammatical case throughout the show...



** Also, earlier in the song...
-->'''Galinda''': Let us rejoicify that goodness could subdue / The wicked workings of you-know-who / Isn't it nice to know? / That good will conquer evil? / The truth we all believe'll by and by / Outlive a lie / For you and...

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** Also, earlier in the song...
-->'''Galinda''':
song... (note that "for you and I" is not correct phrasing [[note]]assuming only one word is cut off that is; if more words follow, such as "for you and I are blah blah blah", it would be OK, but note that an infinitive "for you and I to blah blah blah" would also be incorrect[[/note]], so either Glinda's being cut off from making a mistake or she's being stopped from saying something that doesn't rhyme)
-->'''Glinda''':
Let us rejoicify that goodness could subdue / The wicked workings of you-know-who / Isn't it nice to know? / That good will conquer evil? / The truth we all believe'll by and by / Outlive a lie / For you and...
12th Nov '17 3:42:25 AM Ingonyama
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* {{Corpsing}}: Quite frequent during "Popular". Whoever is playing Elphaba will more than likely crack up at Galinda's antics. But either one is likely to lose it when the other does "Toss, toss!".

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* {{Corpsing}}: Quite frequent during "Popular". Whoever is playing Elphaba will more than likely crack up at Galinda's antics. But either one is likely to lose it when the other does "Toss, toss!". Although this works in-story too, since the song is all about the characters breaking through their enmity and loathing to become genuine friends.


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* ThatThingIsNotMyChild: Elphaba's father undisguisedly loathes her with a passion and dotes on her younger sister Nessa merely because Elphaba is green. The moment she's born he screams [[PunctuatedForEmphasis "TAKE! IT! AWAY!"]] at the nurse before angrily storming off. Although, [[spoiler:he isn't Elphaba's real father anyway]].
1st Nov '17 7:51:02 PM DragonQuestZ
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* TorchSong: "I'm Not That Girl" is sung twice, once when Elphaba has a LoveRealization with Fiyero, and then Glinda sings it when Fiyero leaves to be with Elphaba.
16th Oct '17 11:02:03 AM SuddenFrost
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* HeWhoMustNotBeSeen: Dorothy, who is only present offstage twice and in silhouette once, and The Cowardly Lion [[spoiler:(as an adult)]], the only part of whom we see is his tail. [[WordOfGod According to the companion book The Grimerrie]], Dorothy and the Lion were originally both in the opening, but were written out when the writers decided that having the two most memorable characters would conflict with the idea of the show.

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* HeWhoMustNotBeSeen: Dorothy, who is only present offstage twice and in silhouette once, and The the Cowardly Lion [[spoiler:(as an adult)]], the only part of whom we see is his tail. [[WordOfGod According to the companion book The Grimerrie]], Dorothy and the Lion were originally both in the opening, but were written out when the writers decided that having the two most memorable characters would conflict with the idea of the show.
16th Oct '17 10:55:02 AM SuddenFrost
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* HeWhoMustNotBeSeen: Dorothy, who is only present offstage twice and in silhouette once, and The Cowardly Lion [[spoiler:(as an adult)]], the only part of whom we see is his tail. [[WordOfGod According to the companion book The Grimerrie]], Dorothy and the Lion were originally both in the opening, but were written out when the writers decided that having the two most memorable characters would conflict with the idea of the show.



* [[HeWhoMustNotBeSeen She Who Must Not Be Seen]]: Dorothy, who is only present offstage twice and in silhouette once. The Cowardly Lion [[spoiler:(as an adult)]], the only part of whom we see is his tail. [[WordOfGod According to the companion book The Grimerrie]], Dorothy and the Lion were originally both in the opening, but were written out when the writers decided that having the two most memorable characters would conflict with the idea of the show.
9th Oct '17 2:54:12 AM MeaJae97
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* BrokenAesop: Wicked's primary question, 'what makes one wicked?,' and all the messages that go with it, end up mildly broken due to the Lighter and Softer adaptation. For all of Elphaba's problems, in the musical, she is never truly wicked, so the musings seem kind of pointless. Also, the (admittedly depressing) aesop of 'No good deed going unpunished' is broken by Elphaba getting a happy ending in contrast to the extreme Downer Ending of the book.
21st Sep '17 3:25:23 AM CthonisPrincess
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** Fiyero tries to remain aloof and entirely self-centered and succeeds for a little while, but ultimately when the chips are down he fails.

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** Fiyero tries to remain aloof and entirely self-centered and succeeds for a little while, but ultimately when the chips are down he fails. Fiyero is also the first person we see in the musical who doesn’t scream/flinch/run away/etc when he first sees Elphaba. He is utterly unfazed. Already we start seeing that her being green doesn’t matter in the slightest to him. Even his joke about her being green is one of the tamest in the show. He doesn’t call her an artichoke like Glinda does or any other sort of rude name meant to demean her for being green. He just says “Maybe the driver saw green and thought it meant go”. Even if he doesn’t see anything WRONG with her being green, being green is still unusual. We INTERPRET that moment as a joke because that’s the expectation, but all we all know his INTENT is simply “Avaric was surprised, give the guy a break”. After that point he doesn’t mention her being green again.
21st Sep '17 3:17:32 AM CthonisPrincess
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* AdaptationDistillation: This play takes the basics of the book of ''Wicked'' and removes most of the DarkerAndEdgier stuff. Which is apparently a massive improvement. [[http://www.fantasy-magazine.com/non-fiction/columns/wicked-novel-vs-musical/]] [[https://ellis144.wordpress.com/2011/10/29/wicked-book-vs-musical/]] [[http://wickedtour.net/wicked-the-broadway-musical-versus-the-novel]] [[https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/17483-book-vs-musical]] [[http://blog.al.com/nightlife/2009/04/wicked_musical_far_better_than.html]] [[http://www.rogerogreen.com/2012/11/24/wicked-the-book-versus-wicked-the-musical/]] [[http://www.fanpop.com/clubs/wicked/articles/145194/title/main-differences-between-book-musical]] [[http://schulerscholar.blogspot.com.au/2014/02/the-two-different-worlds-of-wicked-play.html]]

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* AdaptationDistillation: This play takes the basics of the book of ''Wicked'' and removes most of the DarkerAndEdgier stuff. Which is apparently a massive improvement. [[http://www.fantasy-magazine.com/non-fiction/columns/wicked-novel-vs-musical/]] [[https://ellis144.wordpress.com/2011/10/29/wicked-book-vs-musical/]] [[http://wickedtour.net/wicked-the-broadway-musical-versus-the-novel]] [[https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/17483-book-vs-musical]] [[http://blog.al.com/nightlife/2009/04/wicked_musical_far_better_than.html]] [[http://www.rogerogreen.com/2012/11/24/wicked-the-book-versus-wicked-the-musical/]] [[http://www.fanpop.com/clubs/wicked/articles/145194/title/main-differences-between-book-musical]] [[http://schulerscholar.blogspot.com.au/2014/02/the-two-different-worlds-of-wicked-play.html]]html]] [[https://www.reddit.com/r/books/comments/47htfc/after_finishing_the_book_wicked_i_decided_to/]]


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** Fiyero shows shades of this, especially once he starts falling in love with Elphaba.
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