History Theatre / Wicked

4th Apr '18 11:37:56 PM LittleDancerGirl
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** More significantly, Elphaba had just fought for Galinda to be allowed in her coveted sorcery class as an expression of genuine thanks for Galinda's phony "kindness" to her and Nessarose. That seems to initiate the realization, which is then finalized when her original plan comes to fruition and Elphaba is mocked.
27th Mar '18 5:45:48 PM Purplestuff2003
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* BittersweetEnding: [[spoiler: Elphaba is forever remembered as a villain and the Wizard as a hero. However, Madame Morrible and The Wizard are disposed of, leaving Glinda in charge, who is actively working to right the wrongs in Oz and carry on Elphaba's cause. Elphaba and Fiyero survive and can live out their days happily, provided they never return to Oz or let the despairing Glinda know her best friends are actually alive.]]

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* BittersweetEnding: [[spoiler: Elphaba is forever remembered as a villain and the Wizard as a hero. However, Madame Morrible and The Wizard are disposed of, leaving Glinda in charge, who is actively working to right the wrongs in Oz and carry on Elphaba's cause. Elphaba and Fiyero survive and can live out their days happily, provided they can never return to Oz or let the despairing Glinda know her best friends are actually still alive.]]
18th Mar '18 7:52:37 PM drac0blade
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* AlternateUniverse: The story's entire premise, that the Wicked Witch of the West was actually a well-meaning but ineffective rebel against the speciesist policies of the Wizard [[spoiler:who is her illegitimate father]], cannot be reconciled with the original novels because the first Oz novel clearly stated that the Wicked Witch conquered the West before the Wizard ever arrived in Oz.

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* AlternateUniverse: The story's whole thing to the original story. For starters, the original Wicked Witch of the West is never mentioned having green skin; that was made up for the movie. The musical's entire premise, that the Wicked Witch of the West was actually a well-meaning but ineffective rebel against the speciesist policies of the Wizard [[spoiler:who is her illegitimate father]], cannot be reconciled with the original novels because the first Oz novel clearly stated that the Wicked Witch conquered the West before the Wizard ever arrived in Oz.
2nd Mar '18 4:08:05 AM jtierney50
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* HypocriticalHumor: there's some irony in "March Of the Witch Hunters" when the Tin Man accuses of Elphaba of making the Cowardly Lion cowardly because she didn't let him fight his own battles - the Cowardly Lion is [[TheVoice only heard from offstage]] and the Tin Man has to explain his vendetta to the audience for him.
23rd Jan '18 1:48:37 PM lindek
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** Update, early 2018: The film currently has a release date set for December 20, 2019. Stephen Daldry is attached to direct, with original creative team Stephen Schwartz and Winnie Holzman finalizing a screenplay, and Marc Platt is producing.
23rd Jan '18 1:35:24 PM lindek
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*MorphicResonance: The [[spoiler:Tin Man's]] body is a metal version of [[spoiler:Boq's]] livery uniform, right down to the (ironic) heart insignias on his sides. He retains his coiffed hair and his skull cap, which functions as the [[spoiler:Tin Man's]] spout. Likewise, the [[spoiler:Scarecrow's]] body is a distressed version of [[spoiler:Fiyero's]] Captain of the Guard uniform.
13th Jan '18 11:22:58 AM Game_Fan
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** Though the lesson might be that people "have wickedness thrust upon them" specifically ''because'' Elphaba doesn't have to do anything wicked to be declared the Wicked Witch.
10th Dec '17 9:32:33 AM JamesSwann
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** Idina Menzel and Kristin Chenoweth seemed to avert this - until Kristin’s final show... when Kristin ‘’pulls out a book that Glinda has apparently written called “how to be Popular” and starts using it in the song.’’ Idina finally can’t take it anymore and, not breaking character, absolutely cracks up cackling.

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** Idina Menzel and Kristin Chenoweth seemed to avert this - until Kristin’s final show... when Kristin ‘’pulls pulls a curve ball on Idina and ''pulls out a book that Glinda has apparently written called “how to be Popular” and starts using it in the song.’’ '' Idina finally can’t take it anymore and, not breaking character, absolutely cracks up cackling.
10th Dec '17 9:31:11 AM JamesSwann
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** Idina Menzel and Kristin Chenoweth seemed to avert this - until Kristin’s final show... when Kristin ‘’pulls out a book that Glinda has apparently written called “how to be Popular” and starts using it in the song.’’ Idina finally can’t take it anymore and, not breaking character, absolutely cracks up cackling.
29th Nov '17 11:33:00 AM harveytwh
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* AffablyEvil: The Wizard. He never once directly says a single harsh word to either Elphaba or Glinda. Some performances of "Wonderful" even have he and Elphaba share a dance before it all goes to hell. All he ever wanted was [[spoiler:to give people what they wanted and keep them happy.]]

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* AffablyEvil: The Wizard. He never once directly says a single harsh word to either Elphaba or Glinda. Some performances of "Wonderful" even have he him and Elphaba share a dance before it all goes to hell. All he ever wanted was [[spoiler:to give people what they wanted and keep them happy.]]



** After [[spoiler:Nessarose dies by Morrible dropping Dorothy's farm on her]], Elphaba holds a major grudge against Dorothy, for obvious reasons. She constantly tries to get her shoes (as in the film). When G(a)linda shows up to confront Elphaba ''again'', she yells "They're ''just shoes''!" This made a bit more sense in the novel; the shoes were actually magical, and carried major emotional baggage to boot.

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** After [[spoiler:Nessarose dies by Morrible dropping Dorothy's farm house on her]], Elphaba holds a major grudge against Dorothy, for obvious reasons. She constantly tries to get her shoes (as in the film). When G(a)linda shows up to confront Elphaba ''again'', she yells "They're ''just shoes''!" This made a bit more sense in the novel; the shoes were actually magical, and carried major emotional baggage to boot.



* HeWhoMustNotBeSeen: Dorothy, who is only present offstage twice and in silhouette once, and the Cowardly Lion [[spoiler:(as an adult)]], the only part of whom we see is his tail. [[WordOfGod According to the companion book The Grimerrie]], Dorothy and the Lion were originally both in the opening, but were written out when the writers decided that having the two most memorable characters would conflict with the idea of the show.

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* HeWhoMustNotBeSeen: Dorothy, who is only present offstage twice and in silhouette once, and the Cowardly Lion [[spoiler:(as an adult)]], the only part of whom we see is his tail. [[WordOfGod According to the companion book The Grimerrie]], Grimmerie]], Dorothy and the Lion were originally both in the opening, but were written out when the writers decided that having the two most memorable characters would conflict with the idea of the show.



*** Unfortunately, with the rhyming of things with "defy" also comes the ungrammatical "with you and I defy-ing gravity," giving a generation of theater nerds the wrong idea about the difference between "I" and "me".



* RougeAnglesOfSatin: An in-universe example with the "Congratulotions!" banner made by the Ozians to celebrate Glinda's engagement to Fiyero.

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* RougeAnglesOfSatin: RougeAnglesOfSatin:
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An in-universe example with the "Congratulotions!" banner made by the Ozians to celebrate Glinda's engagement to Fiyero.Fiyero.
** There is a backdrop that appears to label a clock face as "sideral time"; perhaps this is meant to be ''sidereal'' time. There's also the loose interpretation of grammatical case throughout the show...



** Also, earlier in the song...
-->'''Galinda''': Let us rejoicify that goodness could subdue / The wicked workings of you-know-who / Isn't it nice to know? / That good will conquer evil? / The truth we all believe'll by and by / Outlive a lie / For you and...

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** Also, earlier in the song...
-->'''Galinda''':
song... (note that "for you and I" is not correct phrasing [[note]]assuming only one word is cut off that is; if more words follow, such as "for you and I are blah blah blah", it would be OK, but note that an infinitive "for you and I to blah blah blah" would also be incorrect[[/note]], so either Glinda's being cut off from making a mistake or she's being stopped from saying something that doesn't rhyme)
-->'''Glinda''':
Let us rejoicify that goodness could subdue / The wicked workings of you-know-who / Isn't it nice to know? / That good will conquer evil? / The truth we all believe'll by and by / Outlive a lie / For you and...
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