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2nd Jul '17 12:12:43 PM HMSaph
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* Most who read ''Literature/GreatExpectations'' did not like Estella, finding her cold and haughty persona intolerable. There is an in-universe reason for it whichs makes her a ''little'' more sympathetic, but they also felt that [[Creator/CharlesDickens Dickens]] got really carried away with the descriptions of her beauty, and Pip pretty much falls for her based on her beauty alone. It was the 19th century where young men weren't able to socialize with women like they can now, but this comes across as shallow now. She does go through some CharacterDevelopment that humbles her and makes her more friendly, but this happens at the very end. And off-screen.

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* Most who read ''Literature/GreatExpectations'' did not like Estella, finding her cold and haughty persona intolerable. There is an in-universe reason for it whichs makes her a ''little'' more sympathetic, but they also felt that [[Creator/CharlesDickens Dickens]] got really carried away with the descriptions of her beauty, and Pip pretty much falls for her based on her beauty alone.alone even though she treats him with indifference at best. It was the 19th century where young men weren't able to socialize with women like they can now, but this comes across as shallow now. She does go through some CharacterDevelopment that humbles her and makes her more friendly, but this happens at the very end. And off-screen.
2nd Jul '17 12:11:25 PM HMSaph
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* Most who read ''Literature/GreatExpectations'' did not like Estella, finding her cold and haughty persona intolerable. There is an in-universe reason for it whichs makes her a ''little'' more sympathetic, but not by much. If that wasn't enough, they felt that [[Creator/CharlesDickens Dickens]] got really carried away with the descriptions of her beauty, and Pip pretty much falls for her based on her beauty alone. It was the 19th century where young men weren't able to socialize with women like they can now, but this comes across as shallow now. She does go through some CharacterDevelopment that humbles her and makes her more friendly, but this happens at the very end. And off-screen.

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* Most who read ''Literature/GreatExpectations'' did not like Estella, finding her cold and haughty persona intolerable. There is an in-universe reason for it whichs makes her a ''little'' more sympathetic, but not by much. If that wasn't enough, they also felt that [[Creator/CharlesDickens Dickens]] got really carried away with the descriptions of her beauty, and Pip pretty much falls for her based on her beauty alone. It was the 19th century where young men weren't able to socialize with women like they can now, but this comes across as shallow now. She does go through some CharacterDevelopment that humbles her and makes her more friendly, but this happens at the very end. And off-screen.
2nd Jul '17 12:08:00 PM HMSaph
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* Most who read ''Literature/GreatExpectations'' did not like Estella, finding her cold and haughty persona intolerable. There is an in-universe reason for it whichs makes her a ''little'' more sympathetic, but not by much. If that wasn't enough, they felt that [[Creator/CharlesDickens Dickens]] got really carried away with the descriptions of her beauty, and Pip pretty much falls for her based on her beauty alone. It was the 19th century where young men weren't able to socialize with women like they can now, but this comes across as shallow now. She does go through some CharacterDevelopment that humbles her and makes her more friendly, but this happens at the very end. And off-screen.
24th Dec '16 4:54:00 AM Silverblade2
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* ''Literature/LittleBrother:'' The Severe Haircut Woman, or [[spoiler: Carrie Johnstone]], the BigBad of the book. The reader is supposed to hate her because she's the villain. However, due to the Anvilliciousness of the story, readers ended up hating her because she's a [[GenericDoomsdayVillain one-dimensional]] StrawmanPolitical. Rather than caring about the safety of the country, she joined the Department of Homeland Security and enforced its strict security methods just ForTheEvulz, and then [[spoiler: waterboards the protagonist, Marcus]], just to unnecessarily drive the point on how evil she is.

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* ''Literature/LittleBrother:'' The Severe Haircut Woman, or [[spoiler: Carrie Johnstone]], the BigBad of the book. The reader is supposed to hate her because she's the villain. However, due to the Anvilliciousness of the story, readers ended up hating her because she's a [[GenericDoomsdayVillain one-dimensional]] one-dimensional StrawmanPolitical. Rather than caring about the safety of the country, she joined the Department of Homeland Security and enforced its strict security methods just ForTheEvulz, and then [[spoiler: waterboards the protagonist, Marcus]], just to unnecessarily drive the point on how evil she is.
20th Dec '16 6:26:48 AM Morgenthaler
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** Onestar is a strange variation of this. Back when he was a warrior in the [[WarriorCatsTheOriginalSeries first arc]], he was definitely an EnsembleDarkHorse. But in [[WarriorCatsTheNewProphecy the second arc]] he takes a level in jerkass and by the [[WarriorCatsPowerOfThree third arc]] he became a [[TheScrappy scrappy]].

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** Onestar is a strange variation of this. Back when he was a warrior in the [[WarriorCatsTheOriginalSeries first arc]], he was definitely an EnsembleDarkHorse. But in [[WarriorCatsTheNewProphecy [[Literature/WarriorCatsTheNewProphecy the second arc]] he takes a level in jerkass and by the [[WarriorCatsPowerOfThree third arc]] he became a [[TheScrappy scrappy]].
21st Nov '16 9:46:47 AM Morgenthaler
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* [[DiscussedTrope Discussed]] in ''The Moving Toyshop'' by Creator/EdmundCrispin, where the protagonist and one of his sidekicks decide to pass the time by naming fictional characters they detest, whom the author intended as sympathetic. They come up with [[Theatre/MuchAdoAboutNothing Beatrice and Benedick]], [[LadyChatterleysLover Lady Chatterley and "that gamekeeper fellow"]], [[Literature/TheFaerieQueene Britomart]], "almost everyone in [[Creator/FyodorDostoevsky Dostoevsky]]", "those vulgar little man-hunting minxes in ''Literature/PrideAndPrejudice''", and [[Creator/WilliamWordsworth the Leech-Gatherer]]. At which point, they are interrupted by an outraged Creator/JaneAusten fanboy... who just happens to give them the next clue they need.

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* [[DiscussedTrope Discussed]] in ''The Moving Toyshop'' by Creator/EdmundCrispin, where the protagonist and one of his sidekicks decide to pass the time by naming fictional characters they detest, whom the author intended as sympathetic. They come up with [[Theatre/MuchAdoAboutNothing Beatrice and Benedick]], [[LadyChatterleysLover [[Literature/LadyChatterleysLover Lady Chatterley and "that gamekeeper fellow"]], [[Literature/TheFaerieQueene Britomart]], "almost everyone in [[Creator/FyodorDostoevsky Dostoevsky]]", "those vulgar little man-hunting minxes in ''Literature/PrideAndPrejudice''", and [[Creator/WilliamWordsworth the Leech-Gatherer]]. At which point, they are interrupted by an outraged Creator/JaneAusten fanboy... who just happens to give them the next clue they need.
5th Nov '16 9:42:40 AM dlchen145
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** The most disliked character in the books is Darkstar. Unlike the other controversial characters, it doesn't seem like ''anybody'' actually likes the guy. That might have something to do with his appearance being a rare example of Martin breaking the "ShowDontTell" rule to make a replacement for Oberyn Martell-- he is supposed to be some kind of amazing, witty {{Badass}}. Unfortunately, this attempt at an EnsembleDarkHorse [[GoneHorriblyWrong went horribly wrong]], as his greatest "onscreen" achievement, a botched attempt to assassinate [[spoiler: another fan-favourite-- Myrcella Baratheon, an 11-year old girl--]] only managed to inspire his entire hatedom, based on this appearance in that one chapter.

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** The most disliked character in the books is Darkstar. Unlike the other controversial characters, it doesn't seem like ''anybody'' actually likes the guy. That might have something to do with his appearance being a rare example of Martin breaking the "ShowDontTell" rule to make a replacement for Oberyn Martell-- he is supposed to be some kind of amazing, witty {{Badass}}.badass. Unfortunately, this attempt at an EnsembleDarkHorse [[GoneHorriblyWrong went horribly wrong]], as his greatest "onscreen" achievement, a botched attempt to assassinate [[spoiler: another fan-favourite-- Myrcella Baratheon, an 11-year old girl--]] only managed to inspire his entire hatedom, based on this appearance in that one chapter.
9th Sep '16 6:53:53 PM Gravityman
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** There are also those who hate Edward AND Jacob. While each is the scrappy to the other side, some people are sick of the merchandise fuel despite the ending of the series being determined before the first movie came out.



* [[OverlyLongGag Pick a character]] from [[Literature/WarriorCats Warriors]]. Any character. Now, you can be sure that a decent slice of Warriors fanfic is entirely based around hating that character.

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* [[OverlyLongGag Pick a character]] from [[Literature/WarriorCats Warriors]]. Any character. Now, you can be sure that a decent slice of Warriors fanfic is entirely based around hating that character.Literature/WarriorCats
9th Sep '16 6:41:48 PM Gravityman
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** Cho Chang draws fans' ire for two main reasons: one, she was Harry's first crush and things didn't work out between them; and two, she was friends with Marietta Edgecombe, who betrayed the DA to Umbridge, and Cho--horror of horrors--didn't turn her back on her friend after that.
*** Although Cho is more of a BaseBreakingCharacter for these reasons - along with the above, there are those who feel her arc was necessary to the story and appreciate that she is largely depicted as a NiceGirl despite some hitches in her and Harry's interactions. Then there are those in the ''opposite'' camp of the Scrappy theory - they felt that Marietta was a DesignatedVillain who was the victim of DisproportionateRetribution at the hands of Hermione, and that while Harry had good reason to be angry he'd went too far in feeling her punishment was fully just (and this is at the very ''best'').
** A significant portion of the fandom aren't too fond of Ginny Weasley, either. While most of these fans usually point out valid reasons not to like her (such as how she went from a shy little girl to a very bold, sometimes-brash deadpan snarker who was known for her humor and attracted a number of boys without much effort, [[spoiler:including Harry Potter himself]], over the course of the later half of the books), there are those who hate her only for the fact that she [[spoiler:ended up with Harry]] when they were firm believers in the fact that [[spoiler:Hermione was the one for him.]]

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** Cho Chang draws fans' ire for two main reasons: one, she was Harry's first crush and things didn't work out between them; and two, she was friends with Marietta Edgecombe, who betrayed the DA to Umbridge, and Cho--horror of horrors--didn't turn her back on her friend after that.
*** Although Cho is more of a BaseBreakingCharacter for these reasons - along with the above, there are those who feel her arc was necessary to the story and appreciate that she is largely depicted as a NiceGirl despite some hitches in her and Harry's interactions. Then there are those in the ''opposite'' camp of the Scrappy theory - they felt that Marietta was a DesignatedVillain who was the victim of DisproportionateRetribution at the hands of Hermione, and that while Harry had good reason to be angry he'd went too far in feeling her punishment was fully just (and this is at the very ''best'').
** A significant portion of the fandom aren't too fond of Ginny Weasley, either.Weasley. While most of these fans usually point out valid reasons not to like her (such as how she went from a shy little girl to a very bold, sometimes-brash deadpan snarker who was known for her humor and attracted a number of boys without much effort, [[spoiler:including Harry Potter himself]], over the course of the later half of the books), there are those who hate her only for the fact that she [[spoiler:ended up with Harry]] when they were firm believers in the fact that [[spoiler:Hermione was the one for him.]]
22nd Jul '16 4:49:23 AM Anddrix
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*** Although Cho is more of a BaseBreaker for these reasons - along with the above, there are those who feel her arc was necessary to the story and appreciate that she is largely depicted as a NiceGirl despite some hitches in her and Harry's interactions. Then there are those in the ''opposite'' camp of the Scrappy theory - they felt that Marietta was a DesignatedVillain who was the victim of DisproportionateRetribution at the hands of Hermione, and that while Harry had good reason to be angry he'd went too far in feeling her punishment was fully just (and this is at the very ''best'').

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*** Although Cho is more of a BaseBreaker BaseBreakingCharacter for these reasons - along with the above, there are those who feel her arc was necessary to the story and appreciate that she is largely depicted as a NiceGirl despite some hitches in her and Harry's interactions. Then there are those in the ''opposite'' camp of the Scrappy theory - they felt that Marietta was a DesignatedVillain who was the victim of DisproportionateRetribution at the hands of Hermione, and that while Harry had good reason to be angry he'd went too far in feeling her punishment was fully just (and this is at the very ''best'').
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