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20th Aug '17 4:17:06 PM Schol-R-LEA
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29th Jul '17 11:16:48 PM Scifimaster92
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** Although popular, it quickly gained notoriety for its quirky handling characteristics resulting from its unusual (for a North American model) rear-engine layout and swing-axle suspension. But while the similarly-designed Porsche 911 was marketed to sports car enthusiasts who were experienced drivers to begin with and the also similarly-designed Volkswagen Beetle was too low-powered to reach a speed where the handling would be dangerous, the Corvair was sold as an everyday mid-market car whose purchasers assumed it would perform in a similar fashion as the front-engine vehicles they were used to and was to be maintained as such. This led many inexperienced motorists to [[DrivesLikeCrazy treat their Corvairs as cheap sports cars]] and get themselves killed in the process. The most famous Corvair casualty was undoubtedly Creator/ErnieKovacs, who was killed when he lost control of his Corvair Lakewood station wagon and slammed into a power pole during a rainstorm.

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** Although popular, it quickly gained notoriety for its quirky handling characteristics resulting from its unusual (for a North American model) rear-engine layout and swing-axle suspension. But while the similarly-designed Porsche 911 was marketed to sports car enthusiasts who were experienced drivers to begin with and the also similarly-designed Volkswagen Beetle was too low-powered to reach a speed where the handling would be dangerous, the Corvair was sold as an everyday mid-market car whose purchasers assumed it would perform in a similar fashion as the front-engine vehicles they were used to and was to be maintained as such. This led many inexperienced motorists to [[DrivesLikeCrazy treat their Corvairs as cheap sports cars]] and get themselves killed in the process. The most famous Corvair casualty was undoubtedly Creator/ErnieKovacs, who was killed when he lost control of his Corvair Lakewood station wagon and slammed into a power pole during a rainstorm.
23rd Jul '17 5:20:37 PM Carnel
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* The classic Lada 1200 was not a bad car when it was introduced in 1970, being essentially a modified Fiat 124. But it quickly gained this reputation because (a) it was still based on a Fiat, (b) it had horrible fuel economy and handling, (c) Soviet production lines lacked any real quality control, and (d) thanks to production quotas and such, it received practically no updates or redesigns until the fall of the Soviet Union (and beyond, as production continued until 2012). Most export versions were considered disposable Communist cars, and it was treated as such -- except [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff in Finland]], where they were impressed with its ability to start even in the coldest weather. And like a BMW, it came with a complete toolkit which unlike a BMW, could be used without invalidating the warrenty.

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* The classic Lada 1200 was not a bad car when it was introduced in 1970, being essentially a modified Fiat 124. But it quickly gained this reputation because (a) it was still based on a Fiat, (b) it had horrible fuel economy and handling, (c) Soviet production lines lacked any real quality control, and (d) thanks to production quotas and such, it received practically no updates or redesigns until the fall of the Soviet Union (and beyond, as production continued until 2012). Most export versions were considered disposable Communist cars, and it was treated as such -- except [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff in Finland]], where they were impressed with its ability to start even in the [[ThisLooksLikeAJobForAquaman coldest weather.weather]]. And like a BMW, it came with a complete toolkit which unlike a BMW, could be used without invalidating the warrenty.
22nd Jul '17 12:06:03 AM Scifimaster92
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* After UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, Bristol Aircraft Company found itself with a lot of time on its hands and tried to make a civilian car with its aircraft technology. Unfortunately, said technology was based around radial engines, which are about the most unsuitable shape possible for mounting in a car. The only way to do it was to mount it ''above'' the rear axle rather than alongside it, which resulted in a ridiculously high centre of gravity. Going around any corner at any useful speed while remaining upright was more or less impossible.

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* After UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, Bristol Aircraft Company found itself with a lot of time on its hands and tried to make a civilian car with its aircraft technology. Unfortunately, said technology was based around radial engines, which are about the most unsuitable shape possible for mounting in a car. The only way to do it was to mount it ''above'' the rear axle rather than alongside it, which resulted in a ridiculously high centre of gravity. Going around any corner at any useful speed while remaining upright was more or less impossible.
19th Jul '17 10:04:09 PM bombadil211
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** Most of the ugliness came from the "impact ring", a huge, bulbous, vertical chromed grille on the front fascia. Some said it looked like an Oldsmobile sucking on a lemon. Others less charitably compared it to a toilet seat. Perhaps most damningly, as comedians have pointed out, when most cars of the era were thinly disguised phallic symbols, the Edsel had a prominent, enormous, chrome-plated ''vagina''.

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** Most of the ugliness came from the "impact ring", a huge, bulbous, vertical chromed grille on the front fascia. Some said it looked like an Oldsmobile sucking on a lemon. Others less charitably compared it to a toilet seat. Perhaps most damningly, as comedians have pointed out, when most cars of the era were thinly disguised phallic symbols, the Edsel had a prominent, enormous, chrome-plated ''vagina''.''vagina''[[note]]One prankster at Ford decided to drive the point home by sticking hair inside the grille of a clay model during the Edsel's design phase[[/note]].
16th Jul '17 11:39:49 AM nombretomado
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* Volkswagen's Australian manufacturing arm weren't doing too well with the Beetle, after an initially successful introduction; so they came up with the Country Buggy, AKA [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Country_Buggy Thing]]. It was supposed to be an evolution of the WW2 Kubelwagen, even having the assistance of an engineer who worked on the original; a stripped out Beetle with amphibious capability which featured only RWD, but declared to be able to "go anywhere" due to the engine being mounted over the drive axle (?). It used Beetle parts for logistical reasons. The Amphibious feature was dropped quietly on request from Volkswagen in Germany; so quietly, in fact, that a motor magazine test crew ended up sinking at a boat ramp. The end result was a car that looked like it had been designed by aliens who never used the wheel but developed a car from the definition of one in the dictionary.

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* Volkswagen's Australian manufacturing arm weren't doing too well with the Beetle, after an initially successful introduction; so they came up with the Country Buggy, AKA [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Country_Buggy Thing]]. It was supposed to be an evolution of the WW2 [=WW2=] Kubelwagen, even having the assistance of an engineer who worked on the original; a stripped out Beetle with amphibious capability which featured only RWD, but declared to be able to "go anywhere" due to the engine being mounted over the drive axle (?). It used Beetle parts for logistical reasons. The Amphibious feature was dropped quietly on request from Volkswagen in Germany; so quietly, in fact, that a motor magazine test crew ended up sinking at a boat ramp. The end result was a car that looked like it had been designed by aliens who never used the wheel but developed a car from the definition of one in the dictionary.



* It's unfair to call a classic like the Volkswagen Beetle an Alleged Car. But the earliest models really were pieces of crap. It had a crashbox transmission, hand-operated windshield wipers, no cabin heater, semaphore flags for turn signals, no fuel gauge (you just switched to a two-litre backup tank when the engine started to cough), and a starter crank hole. Some late 1940s cars were assembled hastily from leftover parts from the bombed-out factory in Wolfsburg; their engines barely lasted 30,000 km, the upholstery stunk of fish glue, and they were in uniformly ugly colors. But the Beetle ''could'' climb a 1:1 grade (''i.e.'' a ''forty-five'' degree slant) in first gear and was a reliable all-purpose light car.[[note]]The post-war crap was only crap because it was made by exhausted debilitated people, in clapped-out war-and-bomb damaged factories on knackered machinery, using up a backlog of substandard parts which were all Germany could manage to make in 1944-45. The first 1930's beetles were good enough for Germany to use the chassis as the wheelbase for its standard military light car of WW2 - its answer to the Jeep, the reliable and rugged Kubelwagen that worked just fine in the heat of North Africa and the sub-zero of Russia. Nearly 250,000 Kubelwagens were built and surviving examples after the war were used by British, French and Russian forces. (the USA didn't bother so much as it had a surfeit of Jeeps. But used ''some''.) Not bad for an Alleged Car.[[/note]]

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* It's unfair to call a classic like the Volkswagen Beetle an Alleged Car. But the earliest models really were pieces of crap. It had a crashbox transmission, hand-operated windshield wipers, no cabin heater, semaphore flags for turn signals, no fuel gauge (you just switched to a two-litre backup tank when the engine started to cough), and a starter crank hole. Some late 1940s cars were assembled hastily from leftover parts from the bombed-out factory in Wolfsburg; their engines barely lasted 30,000 km, the upholstery stunk of fish glue, and they were in uniformly ugly colors. But the Beetle ''could'' climb a 1:1 grade (''i.e.'' a ''forty-five'' degree slant) in first gear and was a reliable all-purpose light car.[[note]]The post-war crap was only crap because it was made by exhausted debilitated people, in clapped-out war-and-bomb damaged factories on knackered machinery, using up a backlog of substandard parts which were all Germany could manage to make in 1944-45. The first 1930's beetles were good enough for Germany to use the chassis as the wheelbase for its standard military light car of WW2 [=WW2=] - its answer to the Jeep, the reliable and rugged Kubelwagen that worked just fine in the heat of North Africa and the sub-zero of Russia. Nearly 250,000 Kubelwagens were built and surviving examples after the war were used by British, French and Russian forces. (the USA didn't bother so much as it had a surfeit of Jeeps. But used ''some''.) Not bad for an Alleged Car.[[/note]]
8th Jul '17 9:26:08 AM nombretomado
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* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gama_Goat The Gamma Goat.]] To quote TheOtherWiki:

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* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gama_Goat The Gamma Goat.]] To quote TheOtherWiki:Wiki/TheOtherWiki:
19th Jun '17 7:18:44 PM Scifimaster92
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** Working the other way around, we have the Holden Piazza, an obsolete Isuzu model, and when released the most expensive Holden-badged product. Its dashboard looked [[Zeerust dated quickly]], with its digital instruments and loose, rattly collection of pods and binnacles; it had a turbo engine in an old chassis that couldn't handle it, making it hard to drive; and it had a poor ride, rattled and didn't improve upon upgrading to the S version.
* The Valiant VH Hardtop from Chrysler Australia was trying to do the same job as the much-vaunted Valiant charger. It cost much more, had a much larger footprint, was heavier; but was cramped inside and not too well equipped. It was uglier, but not very practical; noisy, but slow.

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** Working the other way around, we have the Holden Piazza, an obsolete Isuzu model, and when released the most expensive Holden-badged product. Its dashboard looked [[Zeerust [[{{Zeerust}} dated quickly]], with its digital instruments and loose, rattly collection of pods and binnacles; it had a turbo engine in an old chassis that couldn't handle it, making it hard to drive; and it had a poor ride, rattled and didn't improve upon upgrading to the S version.
* The Valiant VH Hardtop from Chrysler Australia was trying to do the same job as the much-vaunted Valiant charger.Charger. It cost much more, had a much larger footprint, was heavier; but was cramped inside and not too well equipped. It was uglier, but not very practical; noisy, but slow.
19th Jun '17 1:30:22 PM GrammarNavi
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* The Chang Jiuang [=CJ750=] is an Alleged Motorcycle. It's a Chinese copy of a Russian copy of a pre-UsefulNotes/{{WWII}} BMW. It was built using tooling the ''Russians'' considered worn and obsolete.

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* The Chang Jiuang [=CJ750=] is an Alleged Motorcycle. It's a Chinese copy of a Russian copy of a pre-UsefulNotes/{{WWII}} pre-[[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII WWII]] BMW. It was built using tooling the ''Russians'' considered worn and obsolete.
19th Jun '17 4:13:03 AM shadowbeast
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* Some Asian cars were made in Australia, due to laws in place at the time requiring a minimum of Australian content in all manufactured products. This led to some poor products, due to a number of factors; not that fully-Asian built cars were immune to hideous design flaws and failure to provide good reasons to buy them.Highlights include:

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* Some Asian cars were made in Australia, due to laws in place at the time requiring a minimum of Australian content in all manufactured products. This led to some poor products, due to a number of factors; not that fully-Asian built cars were immune to hideous design flaws and failure to provide good reasons to buy them. Highlights include:



* Volksvagen's Australian manufacturing arm weren't doing too well with the Beetle, after an initially successful introduction; so they came up with the Country Buggy, AKA [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Country_Buggy Thing]]. It was supposed to be an evolution of the WW2 Kubelwagen, even having the assistance of an engineer who worked on the original; a stripped out Beetle with amphibious capability which featured only RWD, but declared to be able to "go anywhere" due to the engine being mounted over the drive axle (?). It used Beetle parts for logistical reasons. The Amphibious feature was dropped quietly on request from Volkswagen in Germany; so quietly, in fact, that a motor magazine test crew ended up sinking at a boat ramp. The end result was a car that looked like it had been designed by aliens who never used the wheel but developed a car from the definition of one in the dictionary.

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* Volksvagen's Volkswagen's Australian manufacturing arm weren't doing too well with the Beetle, after an initially successful introduction; so they came up with the Country Buggy, AKA [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Country_Buggy Thing]]. It was supposed to be an evolution of the WW2 Kubelwagen, even having the assistance of an engineer who worked on the original; a stripped out Beetle with amphibious capability which featured only RWD, but declared to be able to "go anywhere" due to the engine being mounted over the drive axle (?). It used Beetle parts for logistical reasons. The Amphibious feature was dropped quietly on request from Volkswagen in Germany; so quietly, in fact, that a motor magazine test crew ended up sinking at a boat ramp. The end result was a car that looked like it had been designed by aliens who never used the wheel but developed a car from the definition of one in the dictionary.
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