History TearJerker / TheFoxAndTheHound

13th Dec '17 8:50:55 PM gjjones
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** All of this became HarsherInHindsight after the deaths of Jeanette Nolan (Tweed's VA), Pearl Bailey (Big Mama's voice actress) and Mickey Rooney (the voice of Tod).

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** All of this became HarsherInHindsight after the deaths of Jeanette Nolan (Tweed's VA), Pearl Bailey (Big Mama's voice actress) actress), Buddy Baker (the film score's composer) and Mickey Rooney (the voice of Tod).
13th Dec '17 8:50:17 PM gjjones
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** Worse yet is that, if you think about it, it's a CallBack to the beginning of the film when Tod's ''real mother'' pretty much does the same thing at the cost of her own life. It's really a slowed down, drawn out sequence meant to show all of the likely emotions (sadness, loss, anguish) that were running through Tod's mother's mind...on top of the knowledge that she was about to die.
** All of this became HarsherInHindsight after Jeanette Nolan's passing.

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** Worse yet is that, if you think about it, it's a CallBack to the beginning of the film when Tod's ''real mother'' pretty much does the same thing at the cost of her own life. It's really a slowed down, drawn out sequence meant to show all of the likely emotions (sadness, loss, anguish) that were running through Tod's mother's mind... on top of the knowledge that she was about to die.
** All of this became HarsherInHindsight after the deaths of Jeanette Nolan's passing.Nolan (Tweed's VA), Pearl Bailey (Big Mama's voice actress) and Mickey Rooney (the voice of Tod).
12th Nov '17 2:05:49 PM gjjones
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[[AC:From [[Literature/TheFoxAndTheHound the novel]]]]
* The gassing of Tod's first litter, and the mother's reaction:
--> The vixen was there. She had dug up the bodies of the cubs and laid them out in a row. Their coats were damp where she had licked and licked, trying to restore them to life. Beside the biggest pup was a fresh-killed chicken she had gotten from the barnyard, hoping the odor of his favorite quarry might bring him back to consciousness. All night she worked over them, and it was not until morning and the blowflies came that she would admit the tragic truth. Even then, for days afterward she returned to the den, hoping upon hope that a miracle had happened and that the cubs would once again run out to greet her.
* Tod's first mate's horrible death in a leghold trap.
* The ending. The ''[[DownerEnding ending]]''. [[spoiler:Tod - the Great Fox - is finally dead, killed in a last hunt by the hunter and Copper, the last of his hunting dogs. Copper's master has a surge of popularity, but soon after has to go to a nursing home where pets aren't allowed. The master is forced to shoot Copper to avoid abandoning him.]]
-->[[spoiler: ...and in this miserable, fouled land there was no longer any place for fox, hound, or human being.]]



** It becomes HarsherInHindsight when Jeanette Nolan passed away.

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** It becomes All of this became HarsherInHindsight when after Jeanette Nolan passed away.Nolan's passing.



* In a meta-sense, Amos Slade's voice actor Jack Albertson died four months after the film's release. It's one of Albertson's final roles.

[[AC:From [[Literature/TheFoxAndTheHound the novel]]]]
* The gassing of Tod's first litter, and the mother's reaction:
--> The vixen was there. She had dug up the bodies of the cubs and laid them out in a row. Their coats were damp where she had licked and licked, trying to restore them to life. Beside the biggest pup was a fresh-killed chicken she had gotten from the barnyard, hoping the odor of his favorite quarry might bring him back to consciousness. All night she worked over them, and it was not until morning and the blowflies came that she would admit the tragic truth. Even then, for days afterward she returned to the den, hoping upon hope that a miracle had happened and that the cubs would once again run out to greet her.
* Tod's first mate's horrible death in a leghold trap.
* The ending. The ''[[DownerEnding ending]]''. [[spoiler:Tod - the Great Fox - is finally dead, killed in a last hunt by the hunter and Copper, the last of his hunting dogs. Copper's master has a surge of popularity, but soon after has to go to a nursing home where pets aren't allowed. The master is forced to shoot Copper to avoid abandoning him.]]
-->[[spoiler: ...and in this miserable, fouled land there was no longer any place for fox, hound, or human being.]]

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* In a meta-sense, Amos Slade's voice actor Jack Albertson died four months after the film's release. It's one of Albertson's final roles.

[[AC:From [[Literature/TheFoxAndTheHound the novel]]]]
* The gassing of Tod's first litter, and the mother's reaction:
--> The vixen was there. She had dug up the bodies of the cubs and laid them out in a row. Their coats were damp where she had licked and licked, trying to restore them to life. Beside the biggest pup was a fresh-killed chicken she had gotten from the barnyard, hoping the odor of his favorite quarry might bring him back to consciousness. All night she worked over them, and it was not until morning and the blowflies came that she would admit the tragic truth. Even then, for days afterward she returned to the den, hoping upon hope that a miracle had happened and that the cubs would once again run out to greet her.
* Tod's first mate's horrible death in a leghold trap.
* The ending. The ''[[DownerEnding ending]]''. [[spoiler:Tod - the Great Fox - is finally dead, killed in a last hunt by the hunter and Copper, the last of his hunting dogs. Copper's master has a surge of popularity, but soon after has to go to a nursing home where pets aren't allowed. The master is forced to shoot Copper to avoid abandoning him.]]
-->[[spoiler: ...and in this miserable, fouled land there was no longer any place for fox, hound, or human being.]]
roles.
12th Nov '17 2:01:33 PM gjjones
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** Upon hearing this, Tod recoils in disbelief... then hangs his head and closes his eyes, crushed by the finality of Copper's statement. The crestfallen look on his face is just...heartbreaking.

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** Upon hearing this, Tod recoils in disbelief... then hangs his head and closes his eyes, crushed by the finality of Copper's statement. The crestfallen look on his face is just... heartbreaking.



** It becomes HarsherInHindsight when Jeanette Nolan passed away.



* There's also the moment when Tod and Copper face off in the climactic sequence, snarling with fangs bared and ready for battle. As much as it's a thrilling scene, it's also heartbreaking that two childhood friends have come to this.

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* There's also the moment when Tod and Copper face off in the climactic sequence, snarling with fangs bared and ready for battle. As much as it's a thrilling scene, it's also heartbreaking that two childhood friends have come to this.
6th Nov '17 12:16:54 PM Psi001
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** Both Amos and Copper angrily vow to take down Tod for this. It would count as a KickTheDog for them, but they are so visibly gut wrenched by what's happened to Chief. When confronted by an emotional Amos, Tweed knows she can't protect Tod anymore. Amos loves his dogs.
29th Sep '17 6:52:40 PM gjjones
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* The entire sequence with Tod encountering the irritable badger during his first two days in the forest is utterly heartbreaking, given how the badger's a jerk to him.

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* The entire sequence with Tod encountering the irritable badger during his first two days disastrous night in the forest is utterly heartbreaking, given how the badger's a jerk to him.
29th Sep '17 6:30:23 PM gjjones
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* There's also the moment when Tod and Copper face off in the climactic sequence, snarling with fangs bared and ready for battle. As much as it's a thrilling scene, it's also heartbreaking that two childhood friends have come to this.



* There's also the moment when Tod and Copper face off in the climactic sequence, snarling with fangs bared and ready for battle. As much as it's a thrilling scene, it's also heartbreaking that two childhood friends have come to this.



* A meta example: Less than four months after the film was released, Amos Slade's actor Jack Albertson died. It's sad watching his role knowing that was one of his last.

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* A meta example: Less than In a meta-sense, Amos Slade's voice actor Jack Albertson died four months after the film was released, Amos Slade's actor Jack Albertson died. film's release. It's sad watching his role knowing that was one of his last.
Albertson's final roles.
29th Sep '17 1:56:40 AM gjjones
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* The scene where [[TheWoobie Tod]]'s owner has to [[ShooTheDog abandon him in the wild]] for fear that the hunter will eventually kill him (he even threatens her with "You can't keep him locked up forever!").
** The abandonment scene is made even worse by the fact that Tod has no concept of ''why'' she is doing it, and he tries to follow her. And the tearjerking song Jeanette Nolan speaks about how she really doesn't want to do this.
** She looks back one last time with a tear in her eye with the most heartbroken expression on her face, too.
** Worse yet is that, if you think about it, it's a CallBack to the beginning of the film when Tod's ''real mother'' pretty much does the same thing at the cost of her own life. It's really a slowed down, drawn out sequence meant to show all of the likely emotions (sadness, loss, anguish) that were running through Tod's mother's mind...on top of the knowledge that she was about to die.
* The echo of one of the early lines played at the end:
-->'''Tod:''' Copper? You're my very best friend.\\
'''Copper:''' And you're mine too Tod.\\
'''Tod:''' And we'll always be friends, forever, won't we?\\
'''Copper:''' Yeah, forever!

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* The scene where [[TheWoobie Tod]]'s owner has to [[ShooTheDog abandon him in the wild]] for fear that the beginning when Tod's mother, running away from a hunter will eventually kill him (he even threatens her with "You can't keep the young kit in her mouth, sets Tod down by the fence and then gives him locked up forever!").
** The abandonment scene is made
a couple licks -- as if saying good-bye -- before running for the hill and getting [[GoryDiscretionShot shot as soon as]] [[SoundOnlyDeath she's out of view]]. It's even worse when Big Mama has her OhCrap moment.
* There's also the moment when Tod and Copper face off in the climactic sequence, snarling with fangs bared and ready for battle. As much as it's a thrilling scene, it's also heartbreaking that two childhood friends have come to this.
* The song "The Best Of Friends".
* When Amos takes Chief and Copper on a hunting trip, Copper's initially excited and raring to go. But when he looks out from the car he can see Tod staring at him nearby and starts howling mournfully. Made even more tragic
by the fact that Tod has no concept of ''why'' she is doing it, and he tries to follow her. And it's the tearjerking song Jeanette Nolan speaks about how she really doesn't want to do this.
** She looks back one
last time with a tear in her eye with the most heartbroken expression on her face, too.
** Worse yet is that, if you think about it, it's a CallBack
they see each other while they're young before Copper grows up to the beginning of the film when Tod's ''real mother'' pretty much does the same thing at the cost of her own life. It's really become a slowed down, drawn out sequence meant to show all of the likely emotions (sadness, loss, anguish) that were running through Tod's mother's mind...on top of the knowledge that she was about to die.
* The echo of one of the early lines played at the end:
-->'''Tod:''' Copper? You're my very best friend.\\
'''Copper:''' And you're mine too Tod.\\
'''Tod:''' And we'll always be friends, forever, won't we?\\
'''Copper:''' Yeah, forever!
highly trained hunting dog.



* The song "The Best Of Friends".
* When Amos takes Chief and Copper on a hunting trip, Copper's initially excited and raring to go. But when he looks out from the car he can see Tod staring at him nearby and starts howling mournfully. Made even more tragic by the fact that it's the last time they see each other while they're young before Copper grows up to become a highly trained hunting dog.
* The [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAzYyVcB4t8 "Goodbye May Seem Forever"]] sequence.
** Imagine your friendship being torn apart because society says it's not natural. That's the hard tragedy of Todd and Copper's arc.
* The entire sequence with Tod encountering the irritable badger during his first two days in the forest is utterly heartbreaking, given how the badger's a jerk to him. Though to be fair, the badger's understandably upset with him for entering and inadvertently destroying his burrow.
* The part at the very beginning when Tod's mother, running away from a hunter with the young kit in her mouth, sets Tod down by the fence and then gives him a couple licks -- as if saying good-bye -- before running for the hill and getting shot as soon as she's out of view.
* There's also the moment when Tod and Copper face off in the climactic sequence, snarling with fangs bared and ready for battle. As much as it's a thrilling scene, it's also heartbreaking that two childhood friends have come to this.
* The part where Copper defends a barely conscious Tod after his fall. From his own master no less. If that didn't push you to tears, the small whimper (complete with a PuppyDogEyes variant) he gives to Amos will.
** And just before that, when Copper finds Tod in the water. Tod's been on the run from Amos and Copper. He's fought Copper and wounded him several times. He dove through flames. He battled a ''bear'' that weighed a hundred times what he did, ''and won,'' just to save the friend who was trying to kill him. When he sees Copper, the look on his face is a very sad acceptance of the fact that he's completely out of fight and at Copper's mercy.
** Also the fact that Copper is amazed that the fox he tried to kill saved him and Amos from the bear, and now feels [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone genuinely remorseful for what he's done to him.]]


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* The [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAzYyVcB4t8 "Goodbye May Seem Forever"]] sequence where [[TheWoobie Tod]]'s owner has to [[ShooTheDog abandon him in the wild]] for fear that the hunter will eventually kill him (he even threatens her with "You can't keep him locked up forever!").
** Imagine your friendship being torn apart because society says it's not natural. That's the hard tragedy of Tod and Copper's arc.
** The abandonment scene is made even worse by the fact that Tod has no concept of ''why'' she is doing it, and he tries to follow her. And in the song, her actress Jeanette Nolan speaks about how Tweed really doesn't want to do this.
** She looks back one last time with a tear in her eye with the most heartbroken expression on her face, too.
** Worse yet is that, if you think about it, it's a CallBack to the beginning of the film when Tod's ''real mother'' pretty much does the same thing at the cost of her own life. It's really a slowed down, drawn out sequence meant to show all of the likely emotions (sadness, loss, anguish) that were running through Tod's mother's mind...on top of the knowledge that she was about to die.
* The entire sequence with Tod encountering the irritable badger during his first two days in the forest is utterly heartbreaking, given how the badger's a jerk to him.
* The part where Copper defends a barely conscious Tod after his fall. From his own master no less. If that didn't push you to tears, the small whimper (complete with a PuppyDogEyes variant) he gives to Amos will.
** And just before that, when Copper finds Tod in the water. Tod's been on the run from Amos and Copper. He's fought Copper and wounded him several times. He dove through flames. He battled a ''bear'' that weighed a hundred times what he did, ''and won,'' just to save the friend who was trying to kill him. When he sees Copper, the look on his face is a very sad acceptance of the fact that he's completely out of fight and at Copper's mercy.
** Also the fact that Copper is amazed that the fox he tried to kill saved him and Amos from the bear, and now feels [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone genuinely remorseful for what he's done to him.]]
* The MeaningfulEcho of one of the early lines played at the end:
-->'''Tod:''' Copper? You're my very best friend.\\
'''Copper:''' And you're mine too Tod.\\
'''Tod:''' And we'll always be friends, forever, won't we?\\
'''Copper:''' Yeah, forever!
29th Sep '17 1:33:20 AM gjjones
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** The abandonment scene is made even worse by the fact that Tod has no concept of ''why'' she is doing it, and he tries to follow her. And the tearjerking song the woman sings about how she really doesn't want to do this.

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** The abandonment scene is made even worse by the fact that Tod has no concept of ''why'' she is doing it, and he tries to follow her. And the tearjerking song the woman sings Jeanette Nolan speaks about how she really doesn't want to do this.



* The entire sequence with Tod encountering the irritable badger during his first two days in the forest is utterly heartbreaking.

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* The entire sequence with Tod encountering the irritable badger during his first two days in the forest is utterly heartbreaking.heartbreaking, given how the badger's a jerk to him. Though to be fair, the badger's understandably upset with him for entering and inadvertently destroying his burrow.
29th Sep '17 1:27:01 AM gjjones
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* Tod encountering the irritable badger during his first days in the forest. Tod looked so heartbroken when the badger acts like a total jerk to him.

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* The entire sequence with Tod encountering the irritable badger during his first two days in the forest. Tod looked so heartbroken when the badger acts like a total jerk to him.forest is utterly heartbreaking.
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