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* Kirk outright rejects Sybok's offer, knowing better than anyone that one doesn't magically get over grief or trauma like this. Especially in Kirk's case, where would you ''start'' with his pain? [[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan His loss of Spock?]] [[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock Of David? The]] ''[[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock Enterprise]]''[[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock ?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS1E3WhereNoManHasGoneBefore Gary Mitchell?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS1E13TheConscienceOfTheKing Tom Leighton?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS1E28TheCityOnTheEdgeOfForever Edith Keeler?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS3E3TheParadiseSyndrome Miramanee?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS1E29OperationAnnihilate His brother?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS2E13Obsession Captain Garrovick, and half the crew of the]] ''[[Recap/StarTrekS2E13Obsession Farragut]]''? Or even the numerous {{redshirt}}s who died on his watch? Nevertheless, he refuses to part with any of it, because then it'd be like those important events never mattered.
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* Kirk outright rejects Sybok's offer, knowing better than anyone that one doesn't magically get over grief or trauma like this. Especially in Kirk's case, where would you ''start'' with his pain? [[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan His loss of Spock?]] [[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock Of David? The]] ''[[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock Enterprise]]''[[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock ?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS1E3WhereNoManHasGoneBefore Gary Mitchell?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS1E13TheConscienceOfTheKing Tom Leighton?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS1E28TheCityOnTheEdgeOfForever Edith Keeler?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS3E3TheParadiseSyndrome Miramanee?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS1E29OperationAnnihilate His brother?]] brother and sister in law?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS2E13Obsession Captain Garrovick, and half the crew of the]] ''[[Recap/StarTrekS2E13Obsession Farragut]]''? Or even the numerous {{redshirt}}s who died on his watch? Nevertheless, he refuses to part with any of it, because then it'd be like those important events never mattered.
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* In a more Meta sense, it's sad to see the much beloved secondary cast reduced primarily to punchlines and having them betray Kirk simply to make Kirk look cooler when he resists the brainwashing they undergo.
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* Kirk outright rejects Sybok's offer, knowing better than anyone that one doesn't magically get over grief or trauma like this. Especially in Kirk's case, where would you ''start'' with his pain? [[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan His loss of Spock?]] [[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock Of David? The]] ''[[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock Enterprise]]''[[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock ?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS1E3WhereNoManHasGoneBefore Gary Mitchell?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS1E28TheCityOnTheEdgeOfForever Edith Keeler?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS3E3TheParadiseSyndrome Miramanee?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS1E29OperationAnnihilate His brother?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS2E13Obsession Captain Garrovick, and half the crew of the]] ''[[Recap/StarTrekS2E13Obsession Farragut]]''? Nevertheless, he refuses to part with any of it, because then it'd be like those important events never mattered.
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* Kirk outright rejects Sybok's offer, knowing better than anyone that one doesn't magically get over grief or trauma like this. Especially in Kirk's case, where would you ''start'' with his pain? [[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan His loss of Spock?]] [[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock Of David? The]] ''[[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock Enterprise]]''[[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock ?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS1E3WhereNoManHasGoneBefore Gary Mitchell?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS1E13TheConscienceOfTheKing Tom Leighton?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS1E28TheCityOnTheEdgeOfForever Edith Keeler?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS3E3TheParadiseSyndrome Miramanee?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS1E29OperationAnnihilate His brother?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS2E13Obsession Captain Garrovick, and half the crew of the]] ''[[Recap/StarTrekS2E13Obsession Farragut]]''? Or even the numerous {{redshirt}}s who died on his watch? Nevertheless, he refuses to part with any of it, because then it'd be like those important events never mattered.
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* Kirk outright rejects Sybok's offer, knowing better than anyone that one doesn't magically get over grief or trauma like this. Especially in Kirk's case, where would you ''start'' with his pain? [[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan His loss of Spock?]] [[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock Of David? The]] ''[[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock Enterprise]]''[[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock ?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS1E3WhereNoManHasGoneBefore Gary Mitchell?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS1E28TheCityOnTheEdgeOfForever Edith Keeler?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS3E3TheParadiseSyndrome Miramanee?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS1E29OperationAnnihilate His brother?]] [[Recap/StarTrekTheOriginalSeriesS2E13Obsession Captain Garrovick, and half the crew of the]] ''[[Recap/StarTrekTheOriginalSeriesS2E13Obsession Farragut]]''? Nevertheless, he refuses to part with any of it, because then it'd be like those important events never mattered.
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* Kirk outright rejects Sybok's offer, knowing better than anyone that one doesn't magically get over grief or trauma like this. Especially in Kirk's case, where would you ''start'' with his pain? [[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan His loss of Spock?]] [[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock Of David? The]] ''[[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock Enterprise]]''[[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock ?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS1E3WhereNoManHasGoneBefore Gary Mitchell?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS1E28TheCityOnTheEdgeOfForever Edith Keeler?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS3E3TheParadiseSyndrome Miramanee?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS1E29OperationAnnihilate His brother?]] [[Recap/StarTrekTheOriginalSeriesS2E13Obsession [[Recap/StarTrekS2E13Obsession Captain Garrovick, and half the crew of the]] ''[[Recap/StarTrekTheOriginalSeriesS2E13Obsession ''[[Recap/StarTrekS2E13Obsession Farragut]]''? Nevertheless, he refuses to part with any of it, because then it'd be like those important events never mattered.
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* Kirk outright rejects Sybok's offer, knowing better than anyone that one doesn't magically get over grief or trauma like this. Especially in Kirk's case, where would you ''start'' with his pain? [[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan His loss of Spock?]] [[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock Of David? The]] ''[[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock Enterprise]]''[[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock ?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS1E3WhereNoManHasGoneBefore Gary Mitchell?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS1E28TheCityOnTheEdgeOfForever Edith Keeler?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS3E3TheParadiseSyndrome Miramanee?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS1E29OperationAnnihilate His brother?]] Nevertheless, he refuses to part with any of it, because then it'd be like those important events never mattered.
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* Kirk outright rejects Sybok's offer, knowing better than anyone that one doesn't magically get over grief or trauma like this. Especially in Kirk's case, where would you ''start'' with his pain? [[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan His loss of Spock?]] [[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock Of David? The]] ''[[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock Enterprise]]''[[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock ?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS1E3WhereNoManHasGoneBefore Gary Mitchell?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS1E28TheCityOnTheEdgeOfForever Edith Keeler?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS3E3TheParadiseSyndrome Miramanee?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS1E29OperationAnnihilate His brother?]] [[Recap/StarTrekTheOriginalSeriesS2E13Obsession Captain Garrovick, and half the crew of the]] ''[[Recap/StarTrekTheOriginalSeriesS2E13Obsession Farragut]]''? Nevertheless, he refuses to part with any of it, because then it'd be like those important events never mattered.
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* Kirk sitting round the campfire with Spock and [=McCoy=], telling them that he expects to [[DyingAlone die alone]].
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* Kirk sitting round the campfire with Spock and [=McCoy=], telling them that he expects to [[DyingAlone die alone]]. He just sounds so… resigned to it, and it’s both a marked difference from the guy with a self-admitted BloodKnight streak, who wanted to die heroically, and yet it’s the same DeathSeeker, just a different flavour.
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** The book adds more GutPunch, making his pain about how he feels he’s messed up his life, making the wrong choices, and doesn’t need Sybok to see it all crystal clear.
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** It became HarsherInHindsight when he finally died in ''Film/StarTrekGenerations'' without Spock or [=McCoy=].[[note]]And then it got ''even worse'' when Creator/WilliamShatner outlived two of his dearest friends -- Creator/DeForestKelley and Creator/LeonardNimoy.[[/note]]
** And then, in ''Film/StarTrekBeyond'', [[TheCharacterDiedWithHim Spock is revealed to have died, with the strong implication that]] ''[[TheCharacterDiedWithHim he]]'' [[TheCharacterDiedWithHim was the last surviving TOS crewmember]].
** And then, in ''Film/StarTrekBeyond'', [[TheCharacterDiedWithHim Spock is revealed to have died, with the strong implication that]] ''[[TheCharacterDiedWithHim he]]'' [[TheCharacterDiedWithHim was the last surviving TOS crewmember]].
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** Scotty’s pain is his nephew dying, how he’d spent the last few days of Peter’s life training him, and thinks the boy only stayed at his post to not let Scotty down.
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* Kirk outright rejects Sybok's offer, knowing better than anyone that one doesn't magically get over grief or trauma like this. Especially in Kirk's case, where would you ''start'' with his pain? [[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan His loss of Spock?]] [[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock Of David? The]] ''[[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock Enterprise]]''[[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock ?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS1E3WhereNoManHasGoneBefore Gary Mitchell?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS1E28TheCityOnTheEdgeOfForever Edith Keeler?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS3E3TheParadiseSyndrome Miramanee?]] Nevertheless, he refuses to part with any of it, because then it'd be like those important events never mattered.
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* Kirk outright rejects Sybok's offer, knowing better than anyone that one doesn't magically get over grief or trauma like this. Especially in Kirk's case, where would you ''start'' with his pain? [[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan His loss of Spock?]] [[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock Of David? The]] ''[[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock Enterprise]]''[[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock ?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS1E3WhereNoManHasGoneBefore Gary Mitchell?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS1E28TheCityOnTheEdgeOfForever Edith Keeler?]] [[Recap/StarTrekS3E3TheParadiseSyndrome Miramanee?]] Nevertheless, [[Recap/StarTrekS1E29OperationAnnihilate His brother?]] [[Nevertheless, he refuses to part with any of it, because then it'd be like those important events never mattered.
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* The novel confirms that Kirk is acting like a DeathSeeker by climbing Yosemite (and not wearing safety equipment while white water kayaking), trying to see how close he can get to death with McCoy and Spock still around but also lashing out at them, daring them to leave him alone.
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* The novel confirms that Kirk is acting like a DeathSeeker by climbing Yosemite (and not wearing safety equipment while white water kayaking), trying to see how close he can get to death with McCoy and Spock still around but also lashing out at them, daring them to leave him alone.
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-->'''Sybok:''' ''[furiously charging towards the entity]'' I couldn't help but notice your pain!
-->'''God:''' ''[scoffs at the idea]'' My pain?
-->'''Sybok:''' It runs deep. SHARE IT WITH ME!
-->'''God:''' ''[scoffs at the idea]'' My pain?
-->'''Sybok:''' It runs deep. SHARE IT WITH ME!
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'''God:''' ''[scoffs at the idea]'' Mypain?
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'''Sybok:''' It runs deep. SHARE IT WITH ME!
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