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* The scene in the denouement where Harry’s hallucination of Norman berates him for being weak and not killing Peter. Harry's tearful protests and devastated "[[BigNO NO!]] as his father demands his son avenge him perfectly encapsulate his inner struggle; should he honor his father's memory or stand by his best friend?

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* The scene in the denouement where Harry’s hallucination of Norman berates him for being weak and not killing Peter. Harry's tearful protests and devastated "[[BigNO NO!]] NO!]]" as his father demands his son avenge him perfectly encapsulate his inner struggle; should he honor his father's memory or stand by his best friend?



* John Jameson, in contrast to his [[JerkAss father]], is a pretty sweet, down-to-Earth NiceGuy who seems genuinely supportive of MJ throughout their engagement. Though he's technically Peter's romantic rival, and thus we're rooting against him, it's still a bummer that this perfectly innocent person got dumped, and with a note at the altar, no less. The novelization at least mitigates this by [[spoiler: showing he ultimately understands MJ's decision because of his own doubts and potentially setting him up to date her friend, Louise Wood.]]

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* John Jameson, in contrast to his [[JerkAss father]], is a pretty sweet, down-to-Earth NiceGuy who seems genuinely supportive of MJ throughout their engagement. Though he's technically Peter's romantic rival, and thus we're rooting against him, it's still a bummer that this perfectly innocent person got dumped, and with a note at the altar, no less. The novelization at least mitigates this by [[spoiler: showing he ultimately understands MJ's decision because of his own doubts doubts, and potentially setting him up to date her friend, Louise Wood.]]
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** Since this is ([[MaybeMagicMaybeMundane probably]]) in his own head, it suggests Harry struggles with deep-seated self-esteem issues. He knows deep down who Norman really was and what he thought of Harry, yet he ''still'' wants to make him proud because at the end of the day, the man was his father. Harry's StartOfDarkness is cemented when he is led to the Green Goblin's secret lair, setting him up to follow in Norman's footsteps in the worst way possible.
*** This is sadder when you recall that Norman's last words were to implore Peter to not tell his son about his DarkSecret. In this film, Peter's efforts to honor Norman's wishes only served to hurt Harry further and drive him towards the Goblin mantle anyway, a legacy Norman didn't want for him and likely doesn't even care about anymore. One can only imagine how Norman would feel at not only failing to be there for Harry, but his memory corrupting his son into adopting his father's worst character traits.

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** Since this is ([[MaybeMagicMaybeMundane probably]]) in his own head, it suggests Harry struggles with deep-seated self-esteem issues. He knows deep down Despite who Norman really was and what he thought of Harry, yet he his son, Harry ''still'' wants to make him proud because at the end of the day, the man was his father. Harry's StartOfDarkness is cemented when he is led to the Green Goblin's secret lair, setting him up to follow in Norman's footsteps in the worst way possible.
*** This is sadder when you recall that Norman's last words were to implore Peter to not tell his son about his DarkSecret. In this film, Peter's efforts to honor Norman's wishes only served to hurt Harry further and drive him towards the Goblin mantle anyway, a legacy Norman didn't want for him and likely doesn't even care about anymore. One can only imagine how Norman would feel at not only failing to be there for Harry, but his memory corrupting his son into adopting his father's worst character traits.principles.
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*** This is sadder in hindsight when you recall that Norman's last words were to implore Peter to not tell his son about his DarkSecret. In this film, Peter's efforts to honor Norman's wishes only served to hurt Harry further and drive him towards the Goblin mantle anyway, a legacy Norman didn't want for him and likely doesn't even care about anymore. One can only imagine how Norman would feel at not only failing to be there for Harry, but his memory corrupting his son into adopting his father's worst character traits.

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*** This is sadder in hindsight when you recall that Norman's last words were to implore Peter to not tell his son about his DarkSecret. In this film, Peter's efforts to honor Norman's wishes only served to hurt Harry further and drive him towards the Goblin mantle anyway, a legacy Norman didn't want for him and likely doesn't even care about anymore. One can only imagine how Norman would feel at not only failing to be there for Harry, but his memory corrupting his son into adopting his father's worst character traits.
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** Right after that, Peter notices some bills spread around the table, but May tells him it's nothing to be concerned about, then gives Peter some money as a birthday gift. Peter is about to politely decline when May suddenly raises her voice, telling her nephew to just take it even though it's all she can offer him. Then she breaks down, apologizing for yelling at Peter, and says it's been really hard since she lost her husband. Peter could only comfort May with a hug, as he still blames himself for Ben's death.

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** Right after that, Peter notices some bills spread around the table, but May tells him it's nothing to be concerned about, then gives Peter some money as a birthday gift. Peter is about to politely decline when May suddenly raises her voice, telling ordering her nephew to just take it even though it's all she can offer him. Then she breaks down, apologizing for yelling at Peter, and says admits it's been really hard since she lost her husband. Peter could only comfort May with a hug, as he still blames himself for Ben's death.



-->"He's just a...''kid''. No older than my son."

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-->"He's just a...''kid''. No older than my son."" Overlaps with heartwarming.



--->'''Ock:''' My Rosie's dead. My ''dream'' is dead. And these monstrous things should be at the bottom of the river. Along with me.
** The broken, almost childlike, way he says, "It was my dream" when Peter tells him to destroy the reactor, to which Peter responds, "[[MeaningfulEcho Sometimes, to do what's right, we have to be steady, and give up the thing we want the most.]] [[TragicDream Even our dreams.]]"

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--->'''Ock:''' --->'''Otto:''' My Rosie's dead. My ''dream'' is dead. And these monstrous things should be at the bottom of the river. Along with me.
** The broken, almost childlike, way he Otto says, "It was my dream" when Peter tells him to destroy the reactor, to which Peter responds, "[[MeaningfulEcho Sometimes, to do what's right, we have to be steady, and give up the thing we want the most.]] [[TragicDream Even our dreams.]]"



** Since this is ([[MaybeMagicMaybeMundane probably]]) in his own head, it suggests Harry struggles with self-esteem issues. Or worse, he knows deep down who Norman really was and what he actually thought of Harry, yet he ''still'' wants to make the man proud because at the end of the day, it's his father. Harry's StartOfDarkness is cemented when he is led to the Green Goblin's secret lair, setting him to follow in Norman's footsteps in the worst way possible.
*** This is sadder in hindsight when you recall how in the previous film, Norman's last words were to implore Peter to not tell his son about Goblin. In this film, Peter's efforts to honor Norman's wishes only served to hurt Harry further and drive him towards the Goblin mantle anyway, a legacy Norman didn't want for him and likely doesn't even care about anymore. One can only imagine how Norman would feel at not only failing to be there for Harry, but his memory corrupting his son into adopting his father's worst character traits.

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** Since this is ([[MaybeMagicMaybeMundane probably]]) in his own head, it suggests Harry struggles with deep-seated self-esteem issues. Or worse, he He knows deep down who Norman really was and what he actually thought of Harry, yet he ''still'' wants to make the man him proud because at the end of the day, it's the man was his father. Harry's StartOfDarkness is cemented when he is led to the Green Goblin's secret lair, setting him up to follow in Norman's footsteps in the worst way possible.
*** This is sadder in hindsight when you recall how in the previous film, that Norman's last words were to implore Peter to not tell his son about Goblin.his DarkSecret. In this film, Peter's efforts to honor Norman's wishes only served to hurt Harry further and drive him towards the Goblin mantle anyway, a legacy Norman didn't want for him and likely doesn't even care about anymore. One can only imagine how Norman would feel at not only failing to be there for Harry, but his memory corrupting his son into adopting his father's worst character traits.

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* The scene in the denouement where Harry’s hallucination of Norman berates him for being weak and not killing Peter. Since this is in his own head, it suggests Harry struggles with self-esteem issues.

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* The scene in the denouement where Harry’s hallucination of Norman berates him for being weak and not killing Peter. Harry's tearful protests and devastated "[[BigNO NO!]] as his father demands his son avenge him perfectly encapsulate his inner struggle; should he honor his father's memory or stand by his best friend?
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Since this is ([[MaybeMagicMaybeMundane probably]]) in his own head, it suggests Harry struggles with self-esteem issues.issues. Or worse, he knows deep down who Norman really was and what he actually thought of Harry, yet he ''still'' wants to make the man proud because at the end of the day, it's his father. Harry's StartOfDarkness is cemented when he is led to the Green Goblin's secret lair, setting him to follow in Norman's footsteps in the worst way possible.
*** This is sadder in hindsight when you recall how in the previous film, Norman's last words were to implore Peter to not tell his son about Goblin. In this film, Peter's efforts to honor Norman's wishes only served to hurt Harry further and drive him towards the Goblin mantle anyway, a legacy Norman didn't want for him and likely doesn't even care about anymore. One can only imagine how Norman would feel at not only failing to be there for Harry, but his memory corrupting his son into adopting his father's worst character traits.
** If Norman's spirit is somehow speaking to Harry, it means his desire for power and vengeance ultimately outweighed any of his humanity or love for his son.

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* The scene in the denouement where Harry’s hallucination of Norman berates him for being weak and not killing Peter. Since this is in his own head, it suggests Harry struggles with self-esteem issues.
* The climax, where Doctor Octopus takes apart the reactor, stares up at it, and says "I will not die a monster." Doesn't help that one of the next shots is the reactor floating to the bottom of the sea, Doc Ock drifting slowly with it.

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* The scene in the denouement where Harry’s hallucination of Norman berates him for being weak and not killing Peter. Since this is in his own head, it suggests Harry struggles with self-esteem issues.
* The climax, where Doctor Octopus takes apart the reactor, stares up at it, and says vows, "I will not die a monster." Doesn't help that one of the next shots is the reactor floating to the bottom of the sea, Doc Ock drifting slowly with it.


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** In the {{novelization}}, Peter has visions of Ben whenever he wavers in his commitment to heroism and believes he failed, just like that fateful night. It's clear his guilt over Ben's death hasn't waned.

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** In the {{novelization}}, Peter has visions of Ben whenever he wavers in his commitment to heroism and believes he failed, just like that fateful night. It's clear his guilt over Ben's his uncle's death hasn't waned.



* John Jameson, in contrast to his [[JerkAss father]], is a pretty sweet, down-to-Earth NiceGuy who seems genuinely supportive of MJ throughout their engagement. Though he's technically Peter's romantic rival, and thus we're rooting against him, it's still a bummer that this perfectly innocent person got dumped, and with a note at the altar, no less. The novelization at least mitigates this by [[spoiler: showing he ultimately understands MJ's decision because of his own doubts and potentially setting him up to date MJ's friend, Louise Wood.]]
* Think about the 'missing the play' sequence from MJ's perspective. Her best friend makes a promise to her, after taking forever to even see the play in the first place, and he doesn't turn up. The novelization even clarifies that she reserved a prime seat for him and her first thought when she can't find him is that there was an emergency. She can't work out why he would seemingly go out of his way to let her down like that, especially when he can't give a good excuse.

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* John Jameson, in contrast to his [[JerkAss father]], is a pretty sweet, down-to-Earth NiceGuy who seems genuinely supportive of MJ throughout their engagement. Though he's technically Peter's romantic rival, and thus we're rooting against him, it's still a bummer that this perfectly innocent person got dumped, and with a note at the altar, no less. The novelization at least mitigates this by [[spoiler: showing he ultimately understands MJ's decision because of his own doubts and potentially setting him up to date MJ's her friend, Louise Wood.]]
* Think about the 'missing the play' sequence from MJ's perspective. Her best friend makes a promise to her, after taking forever to even see the play in the first place, and he doesn't turn up. The novelization even clarifies that she reserved a prime seat for him Peter and her first thought when she can't find him is that there was an emergency. She can't work out why he would seemingly go out of his way to let her down like that, especially when he can't give a good excuse.
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** In the {{novelization}}, Peter has multiple visions of Ben when he wavers in his commitment to heroism and believes he failed, just like that fateful night. It's clear his guilt over Ben's death hasn't waned.

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** In the {{novelization}}, Peter has multiple visions of Ben when whenever he wavers in his commitment to heroism and believes he failed, just like that fateful night. It's clear his guilt over Ben's death hasn't waned.
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** In the {{novelization}}, Peter has multiple visions of Ben when he wavers in his commitment to heroism and believes he failed, just like that fateful night. It's clear his guilt over Ben's death hasn't waned.
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** Judging by Peter's melancholy smile as he says "I'm sure they did", and then bringing up his worry over her being alone, you can tell he's thinking the same thing.

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** Judging by Peter's melancholy smile as he says says, "I'm sure they did", and then bringing up his worry over her being alone, you can tell he's thinking the same thing.



** The broken, almost childlike, way he says "It was my dream" when Peter tells him to destroy the reactor, to which Peter responds, "[[MeaningfulEcho Sometimes, to do what's right, we have to be steady, and give up the thing we want the most.]] [[TragicDream Even our dreams.]]"

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** The broken, almost childlike, way he says says, "It was my dream" when Peter tells him to destroy the reactor, to which Peter responds, "[[MeaningfulEcho Sometimes, to do what's right, we have to be steady, and give up the thing we want the most.]] [[TragicDream Even our dreams.]]"



* John Jameson, in contrast to his [[JerkAss father]], is a pretty sweet, down-to-Earth NiceGuy who seems genuinely supportive of MJ throughout their engagement. Though he's technically Peter's romantic rival, and thus we're rooting against him, it's still a bummer that this perfectly innocent person got dumped, and with a note at the altar, no less.

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* John Jameson, in contrast to his [[JerkAss father]], is a pretty sweet, down-to-Earth NiceGuy who seems genuinely supportive of MJ throughout their engagement. Though he's technically Peter's romantic rival, and thus we're rooting against him, it's still a bummer that this perfectly innocent person got dumped, and with a note at the altar, no less. The novelization at least mitigates this by [[spoiler: showing he ultimately understands MJ's decision because of his own doubts and potentially setting him up to date MJ's friend, Louise Wood.]]
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* Think about the 'missing the play' sequence from MJ's perspective. Her best friend makes a promise to her, after taking forever to even see the play in the first place, and he doesn't turn up. The novelization even clarifies that she reserved a prime seat for him and her first thought when she can't find him is that there was an emergency. She can't work out why he would seemingly go out of his way to let her down like that, especially when he can't give a good excuse.
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** Pay close attention to her husband's reaction when he finds out he caused her death: he was heartbroken. Jis desperate cry of her name, all his attention diverted to her, is crushing. Rosie was the only thing Otto had left after the experiment went awry and tarnished his image, and then she was gone, too. [[TragicVillain Just try not to feel bad for Mr. Octavius.]]

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** Pay close attention to her husband's reaction when he finds out he caused her death: he was heartbroken. Jis His desperate cry of her name, all his attention diverted to her, is crushing. Rosie was the only thing Otto had left after the experiment went awry and tarnished his image, and then she was gone, too. [[TragicVillain Just try not to feel bad for Mr. Octavius.]]
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** Judging by Peter's melancholy smile as he says "I'm sure they did", and then bringing up his worry over her being alone, you can tell he's thinking the same thing.
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** Pay close attention to her husband's reaction when he finds out he caused her death: he was heartbroken. Rosie was the only thing Otto had left after the experiment went awry and tarnished his image, and then she was gone, too. [[TragicVillain Just try not to feel bad for Mr. Octavius.]]

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** Pay close attention to her husband's reaction when he finds out he caused her death: he was heartbroken. Jis desperate cry of her name, all his attention diverted to her, is crushing. Rosie was the only thing Otto had left after the experiment went awry and tarnished his image, and then she was gone, too. [[TragicVillain Just try not to feel bad for Mr. Octavius.]]
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** The broken, almost childlike, way he says "It was my dream" when Peter tells him to destroy the reactor, to which Peter responds, "[[MeaningfulEcho Sometimes, to do what's right, we have to be steady, and give up the thing we want the most.]][[TragicDream Even our dreams.]]"

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** The broken, almost childlike, way he says "It was my dream" when Peter tells him to destroy the reactor, to which Peter responds, "[[MeaningfulEcho Sometimes, to do what's right, we have to be steady, and give up the thing we want the most.]][[TragicDream ]] [[TragicDream Even our dreams.]]"

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* The scene in the denouement where where Harry’s hallucination of Norman berates him for being weak and not killing Peter. Since this is in his own head, it suggests Harry struggles with self-esteem issues.

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* The scene in the denouement where where Harry’s hallucination of Norman berates him for being weak and not killing Peter. Since this is in his own head, it suggests Harry struggles with self-esteem issues.


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** The broken, almost childlike, way he says "It was my dream" when Peter tells him to destroy the reactor, to which Peter responds, "[[MeaningfulEcho Sometimes, to do what's right, we have to be steady, and give up the thing we want the most.]][[TragicDream Even our dreams.]]"
** Watching the almost superhuman level of effort he exerts to force back control from the tentacles is sad enough, but then the last look he shares with Peter as they both realize Otto won't survive his sacrifice...
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* The bit where Peter collapses after stopping the train. "He's just a kid! No older than my son!"
** The passengers sticking up for him when Doc Ock comes back. "You wanna get to him, you gotta go through me."

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* The bit where Peter collapses after stopping the train. "He's train.
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just a kid! a...''kid''. No older than my son!"
** The passengers sticking up for him when Doc Ock comes back. "You wanna get to him, you gotta go through me.
son."
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* Robbie Robertson's reaction upon realizing that Spider-Man has quit. While Jameson laughs triumphantly over Spider-Man's retirement, Robbie silently stands there with a look of pure heartbreak on his face as he gently holds Spider-Man's discarded mask in his hands.

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* Robbie Robertson's reaction upon realizing that Spider-Man has quit. While Jameson laughs triumphantly over Spider-Man's retirement, Robbie silently stands there with a look of pure heartbreak on his face as he gently holds Spider-Man's discarded mask in his hands.
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* After he captures Spider-Man, Doc Ock delivers him to Harry. Harry prepares to slay his helpless victim with pure hatred and bloodlust in his eyes, but when he removes the mask and sees who's underneath, he drops the dagger in shock and horror and stumbles back, unable to process that Peter is who he believes to be the killer of his father. It shows that, while Harry may not be the greatest friend (he ''did'' angrily berate and hit Peter for sticking up for Spider-Man, after all), deep down, he does still care for Peter.

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* After he captures Spider-Man, Doc Ock delivers him to Harry. Harry prepares to slay his helpless victim with pure hatred and bloodlust in his eyes, but when he removes the mask and sees who's underneath, he drops the dagger in shock and horror and stumbles back, unable to process that Peter is who he believes to be the killer of his father. It shows that, while Harry may not be the greatest friend (he ''did'' angrily berate and hit Peter for sticking up for Spider-Man, after all), deep down, he does still care for Peter.
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* The planetarium scene. Peter is forced to watch the girl he loves become engaged to another man, facing the fact that he keeps disappointing her. Then his best friend lays into him and slaps him in public in a drunk depression. While his accusations against Peter are false, Harry is visibly teary-eyed and it’s obvious he’s unraveling. Peter looks heartbroken that his relationship with his best friend is falling apart and he can't be honest with him.


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* The scene in the denouement where where Harry’s hallucination of Norman berates him for being weak and not killing Peter. Since this is in his own head, it suggests Harry struggles with self-esteem issues.
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* After he captures Spider-Man, Doc Ock delivers him to Harry. Harry prepares to slay his helpless victim with pure hatred and bloodlust in his eyes, but when he removes the mask and sees who's underneath, he drops the dagger in shock. It shows that, while Harry may not be the greatest friend (he ''did'' angrily berate and hit Peter for sticking up for Spider-Man, after all), deep down, he does still care for Peter.

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* After he captures Spider-Man, Doc Ock delivers him to Harry. Harry prepares to slay his helpless victim with pure hatred and bloodlust in his eyes, but when he removes the mask and sees who's underneath, he drops the dagger in shock.shock and horror and stumbles back, unable to process that Peter is who he believes to be the killer of his father. It shows that, while Harry may not be the greatest friend (he ''did'' angrily berate and hit Peter for sticking up for Spider-Man, after all), deep down, he does still care for Peter.
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** Soon after she mistook Peter for Ben, she asks "everybody's gone, aren't they? Did they have a good time?". While she's referring to the party, it could also be that she's asking about how everyone in her ''life'' is gone.

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** Soon after she mistook Peter for Ben, she asks "everybody's asks, "Everybody's gone, aren't they? Did they have a good time?". time?" While she's referring to the party, it could also be that she's asking about how everyone in her ''life'' is gone.



** Plus pay close attention to her husband's reaction when he finds out he caused her death. He was heartbroken, Rosie was the only thing Otto had left after the experiment went awry and tarnished his image and then she was gone too. Just try not to feel bad for Mr. Octavius.

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** Plus pay Pay close attention to her husband's reaction when he finds out he caused her death. He death: he was heartbroken, heartbroken. Rosie was the only thing Otto had left after the experiment went awry and tarnished his image image, and then she was gone gone, too. [[TragicVillain Just try not to feel bad for Mr. Octavius.]]



* Peter daydreaming that he's talking to Uncle Ben, trapped in the memory of their conversation just before they go their separate ways prior to the wrestling match in the first film. When Peter tells Ben that he's retiring as Spider-Man, Ben looks so defeated and heartbroken. Imagine being able to talk one last time to a loved one who died, and having to tell them their death was for nothing.

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* Peter daydreaming that he's talking to Uncle Ben, trapped in the a [[WhiteVoidRoom white-void]] memory of their conversation just before they go their separate ways prior to the wrestling match in the first film. When Peter tells Ben that he's retiring as Spider-Man, Ben looks so defeated and heartbroken. Imagine being able to talk one last time to a loved one who died, and having to tell them their death was for nothing.



* After he captures Spider-Man, Doc Ock delivers him to Harry. Harry prepares to slay his helpless victim with pure hatred and bloodlust in his eyes, but when he removes the mask and sees who's underneath, he drops the dagger in shock, even gasping "no" in shock. It shows that, while Harry may not be the greatest friend (he ''did'' angrily berate Peter for sticking up for Spider-man, after all), deep down, he does still care for Peter.

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* After he captures Spider-Man, Doc Ock delivers him to Harry. Harry prepares to slay his helpless victim with pure hatred and bloodlust in his eyes, but when he removes the mask and sees who's underneath, he drops the dagger in shock, even gasping "no" in shock. It shows that, while Harry may not be the greatest friend (he ''did'' angrily berate and hit Peter for sticking up for Spider-man, Spider-Man, after all), deep down, he does still care for Peter.

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