History TearJerker / NightWatch

8th Aug '17 4:54:28 PM Ebrbfureh
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* Sam's existence in that book in general is very sad. Matching the idealistic young man with the hardened cynic of ''Discworld/GuardsGuards'' is just... depressing, especially imagining exactly what he went through the become like that.

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* Sam's existence in that book in general is very sad. Matching the idealistic young man with the hardened cynic of ''Discworld/GuardsGuards'' is just... depressing, especially imagining exactly what he went through the to become like that.
12th Jun '17 3:31:19 PM 9_miho
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** A subtle other example of a problem being simply too much for one individual, no matter how cunning, intelligent or well-meaning you are, is with the characters of Major Clive Mountjoy-Standfast and Captain Tom Wrangle, who are the main officers charged with dealing with the rioting, even as they struggle with the logistical and moral futility of sending troops into their own city.
12th Jun '17 3:18:40 PM 9_miho
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** While zombie!Reg is something of comic relief in earlier books, living!Reg was an [[Franchise/LesMiserables Enjolras]] expy who gets run through the Pratchett ringer to both hilarious and horrific effect. In this case, he doesn't have any school friends to rally around him. Instead, he's a lone revolutionary who doesn't get taken seriously at all by anyone and at most gets a kind of careful pity from Vimes. And in this timeline, he ends up sliding right into HeroicBSOD after the barricade comes down, first from how short-lived the People's Republic of Treacle Mine Road was and shoved right into it with the realization that the revolution he had been fighting for had been for absolutely ''nothing'' as Carcer, the Unmentionables and the Palace Guard come to kill him and the Night Watch. His subsequent UnstoppableRage driven attack is not only awesome but heartbreaking in its lead up.
1st May '17 10:06:29 AM Stranrep
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''Night Watch'':

* The end of first story in "Night Watch", when Anton, made by witch Alisa, reveals to Egor that he was just a pawn not only of Zavulon, but also of Gesar, in order to initiate Svetlana as Light Other. This leads to Anton's and Egor's CynicismCatalyst, and the latter's refusal to be an Other.
* The end of the second story is even worse. Anton finds the killer of Dark Others, Maxim, and is happy to know that Zavulon's plans are ruined... only to learn that the whole event was organized by Gesar to increase Svetlana's level.

''Day Watch'':
* It's hard not feel some pity for Alisa, who was recovering in summer camp and fell in love in one of its workers, Igor... and learnt that he's a Light Other of Night Watch, who was recovering just as she, and also felt in love, knowing nothing about her being a Dark witch. It gets even worse, when Zavulon reveals that the whole situation was staged by him to make Igor kill Alisa... which exactly what happens.



** Even if he [[spoiler: doesn't actually die, he considers being BroughtDownToNormal a FateWorseThanDeath. And if you think about it, he has to adjust to living without magic, which he was absolutely dependent on, he can no longer work in the Night Watch.... and his wife and daughter have to watch him grow old and die.]]
* Also in ''The Sixth Watch'', the Tiger's [[spoiler: HeroicSacrifice]]

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** Even if he [[spoiler: doesn't actually die, he considers being BroughtDownToNormal a FateWorseThanDeath. And if If you think about it, he has to adjust to living without magic, which he was absolutely dependent on, he can no longer work in the Night Watch.... and his wife and daughter have to watch him grow old and die.]]
* Also in ''The Sixth Watch'', the Tiger's [[spoiler: HeroicSacrifice]]HeroicSacrifice]].
14th Feb '17 3:55:11 AM Chabal2
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*** "Across thirty years" implies the former, I think.

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*** "Across thirty years" implies the former, I think.former.



** Oh gods yes, that entire sequence in the torture chambers. The descriptions are so vague and murky you can only begin to imagine the horrors down there. There's two scenes in particular that always get me -- first, when Vimes finds his younger self in tears, because Sam found a woman who had had ''something'' horrible happen to her that we never find out, thankfully. Then, later on, when "Keel" stops Sam from killing one of the torturers and gives him a speech that pretty much defines who Vimes is and why he fights the monsters inside... well, it has to be read, but it always makes my vision go blurry...

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** Oh gods yes, that entire sequence in the torture chambers. The descriptions are so vague and murky you can only begin to imagine the horrors down there. There's two scenes in particular that always get me -- first, when Vimes finds his younger self in tears, because Sam found a woman who had had ''something'' horrible happen to her that we never find out, thankfully. Then, later on, when "Keel" stops Sam from killing one of the torturers and gives him a speech that pretty much defines who Vimes is and why he fights the monsters inside... well, it has to be read, but it always makes my vision go blurry...
5th Jan '17 6:44:33 PM LBHills
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* ''Discworld/NightWatch'' deals with TimeTravel, to a point in Ankh-Morpork's past that ain't exactly glorious. The tear-jerking starts when Vimes realizes he can't fix it. Not because it would create a paradox, but because it involves too many people being foolish or vengeful or self-absorbed at the same time.

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* ''Discworld/NightWatch'' deals with TimeTravel, to a point in Ankh-Morpork's past that ain't exactly glorious. The tear-jerking starts when Vimes realizes he can't fix it. Not because it would create a paradox, but because it involves too many people being foolish or vengeful or self-absorbed at the same time.self-absorbed. One man, even forewarned, can't fix it.
5th Jan '17 6:44:07 PM LBHills
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* ''Discworld/NightWatch'' deals with TimeTravel, to a point in Ankh-Morpork's past that ain't exactly glorious. The tear-jerking starts when Vimes realizes he can't fix it.

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* ''Discworld/NightWatch'' deals with TimeTravel, to a point in Ankh-Morpork's past that ain't exactly glorious. The tear-jerking starts when Vimes realizes he can't fix it. Not because it would create a paradox, but because it involves too many people being foolish or vengeful or self-absorbed at the same time.
7th Nov '16 5:30:59 PM sher1
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** Even if he [[spoiler: doesn't actually die, he considers being BroughtDownToNormal a FateWorseThanDeath. And if you think about it, he has to adjust to living without magic, which he was absolutely dependent on, he can no longer work in the Night Watch.... and his wife and daughter have to watch him grow old and die.

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** Even if he [[spoiler: doesn't actually die, he considers being BroughtDownToNormal a FateWorseThanDeath. And if you think about it, he has to adjust to living without magic, which he was absolutely dependent on, he can no longer work in the Night Watch.... and his wife and daughter have to watch him grow old and die.]]
7th Nov '16 5:30:41 PM sher1
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* Madame and the Seamstresses, seeing to it for thirty years that there's always a wreath and a hard-boiled egg at the gravesite. Vimes and his battle-comrades aren't the only ones with long memories or loyalty.

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* Madame and the Seamstresses, seeing to it for thirty years that there's always a wreath and a hard-boiled egg at the gravesite. Vimes and his battle-comrades aren't the only ones with long memories or loyalty.loyalty.


!![[{{Literature/Nightwatch}} The Watch Series]]

* In ''The Sixth Watch'', [[spoiler: when Anton is about to be killed by the Two-In-One, he looks at Svetlana and Nadya and tries to smile for them.]]
** Even if he [[spoiler: doesn't actually die, he considers being BroughtDownToNormal a FateWorseThanDeath. And if you think about it, he has to adjust to living without magic, which he was absolutely dependent on, he can no longer work in the Night Watch.... and his wife and daughter have to watch him grow old and die.
* Also in ''The Sixth Watch'', the Tiger's [[spoiler: HeroicSacrifice]]
* In ''The Sixth Watch'', Anton's helplessness and despair as he watches [[spoiler: Nadya prepare to become the Grandmother of Grandmothers, the leader of the witches' Conclave, sacrificing her youth in the process. Luckily, it's averted.]]
11th Oct '15 5:24:09 PM LBHills
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* Shortly thereafter when [[spoiler:Vimes tells Vetinari what he thinks of the idea of a monument. NO-ONE has EVER spoken like that to Vetinari before and gotten away with it, but just this once Vetinari backs]].

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* Shortly thereafter when [[spoiler:Vimes tells Vetinari what he thinks of the idea of a monument. NO-ONE has EVER spoken like that to Vetinari before and gotten away with it, but just this once Vetinari backs]].admits that he's wrong.]].



** Be aware that until this point Vetinari has always been able to "bribe" Sam at the end of each book for being able to do his job, making Vimes feel a bit as a dog being thrown a bone. But not this time. Not even Vetinari can bribe history.

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** Be aware that until this point Vetinari has always been able to "bribe" Sam at the end of each book for being able to do his job, making Vimes feel a bit as like a dog being thrown a bone. But not this time. Not even Vetinari can bribe history.



*** The realization that Sam has been caring for Nobby his whole life. Nobby's been under his wing since the beginning. Is it any wonder that when the Night Watch was just three it was Colon and Nobby, who refused to leave Sam Vimes and move on? It speaks volumes about THEIR character as well as his.

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*** The realization that Sam has been caring for Nobby his whole life. Nobby's been under his wing since the beginning. Is it any wonder that when the Night Watch was just three it was Colon and Nobby, who refused to leave Sam Vimes and move on? It speaks volumes about THEIR '''their''' character as well as his.



-->The gods knew the man deserved it... but young Sam was watching him, across thirty years. When we break down, it all breaks down. That's just how it works. You can bend it, and if you make it hot enough you can bend it in a circle, but you can't break it. When you break it, it all breaks down until there's nothing unbroken. It starts here and now. He lowered the sword.

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-->The gods knew the man deserved it... but [[MoralityChain young Sam Sam]] was watching him, across thirty years. When we break down, it all breaks down. That's just how it works. You can bend it, and if you make it hot enough you can bend it in a circle, but you can't break it. When you break it, it all breaks down until there's nothing unbroken. It starts here and now. He lowered the sword.
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