History TearJerker / NightWatch

14th Feb '17 3:55:11 AM Chabal2
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*** "Across thirty years" implies the former, I think.

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*** "Across thirty years" implies the former, I think.former.



** Oh gods yes, that entire sequence in the torture chambers. The descriptions are so vague and murky you can only begin to imagine the horrors down there. There's two scenes in particular that always get me -- first, when Vimes finds his younger self in tears, because Sam found a woman who had had ''something'' horrible happen to her that we never find out, thankfully. Then, later on, when "Keel" stops Sam from killing one of the torturers and gives him a speech that pretty much defines who Vimes is and why he fights the monsters inside... well, it has to be read, but it always makes my vision go blurry...

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** Oh gods yes, that entire sequence in the torture chambers. The descriptions are so vague and murky you can only begin to imagine the horrors down there. There's two scenes in particular that always get me -- first, when Vimes finds his younger self in tears, because Sam found a woman who had had ''something'' horrible happen to her that we never find out, thankfully. Then, later on, when "Keel" stops Sam from killing one of the torturers and gives him a speech that pretty much defines who Vimes is and why he fights the monsters inside... well, it has to be read, but it always makes my vision go blurry...
5th Jan '17 6:44:33 PM LBHills
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* ''Discworld/NightWatch'' deals with TimeTravel, to a point in Ankh-Morpork's past that ain't exactly glorious. The tear-jerking starts when Vimes realizes he can't fix it. Not because it would create a paradox, but because it involves too many people being foolish or vengeful or self-absorbed at the same time.

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* ''Discworld/NightWatch'' deals with TimeTravel, to a point in Ankh-Morpork's past that ain't exactly glorious. The tear-jerking starts when Vimes realizes he can't fix it. Not because it would create a paradox, but because it involves too many people being foolish or vengeful or self-absorbed at the same time.self-absorbed. One man, even forewarned, can't fix it.
5th Jan '17 6:44:07 PM LBHills
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* ''Discworld/NightWatch'' deals with TimeTravel, to a point in Ankh-Morpork's past that ain't exactly glorious. The tear-jerking starts when Vimes realizes he can't fix it.

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* ''Discworld/NightWatch'' deals with TimeTravel, to a point in Ankh-Morpork's past that ain't exactly glorious. The tear-jerking starts when Vimes realizes he can't fix it. Not because it would create a paradox, but because it involves too many people being foolish or vengeful or self-absorbed at the same time.
7th Nov '16 5:30:59 PM sher1
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** Even if he [[spoiler: doesn't actually die, he considers being BroughtDownToNormal a FateWorseThanDeath. And if you think about it, he has to adjust to living without magic, which he was absolutely dependent on, he can no longer work in the Night Watch.... and his wife and daughter have to watch him grow old and die.

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** Even if he [[spoiler: doesn't actually die, he considers being BroughtDownToNormal a FateWorseThanDeath. And if you think about it, he has to adjust to living without magic, which he was absolutely dependent on, he can no longer work in the Night Watch.... and his wife and daughter have to watch him grow old and die.]]
7th Nov '16 5:30:41 PM sher1
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* Madame and the Seamstresses, seeing to it for thirty years that there's always a wreath and a hard-boiled egg at the gravesite. Vimes and his battle-comrades aren't the only ones with long memories or loyalty.

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* Madame and the Seamstresses, seeing to it for thirty years that there's always a wreath and a hard-boiled egg at the gravesite. Vimes and his battle-comrades aren't the only ones with long memories or loyalty.loyalty.


!![[{{Literature/Nightwatch}} The Watch Series]]

* In ''The Sixth Watch'', [[spoiler: when Anton is about to be killed by the Two-In-One, he looks at Svetlana and Nadya and tries to smile for them.]]
** Even if he [[spoiler: doesn't actually die, he considers being BroughtDownToNormal a FateWorseThanDeath. And if you think about it, he has to adjust to living without magic, which he was absolutely dependent on, he can no longer work in the Night Watch.... and his wife and daughter have to watch him grow old and die.
* Also in ''The Sixth Watch'', the Tiger's [[spoiler: HeroicSacrifice]]
* In ''The Sixth Watch'', Anton's helplessness and despair as he watches [[spoiler: Nadya prepare to become the Grandmother of Grandmothers, the leader of the witches' Conclave, sacrificing her youth in the process. Luckily, it's averted.]]
11th Oct '15 5:24:09 PM LBHills
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* Shortly thereafter when [[spoiler:Vimes tells Vetinari what he thinks of the idea of a monument. NO-ONE has EVER spoken like that to Vetinari before and gotten away with it, but just this once Vetinari backs]].

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* Shortly thereafter when [[spoiler:Vimes tells Vetinari what he thinks of the idea of a monument. NO-ONE has EVER spoken like that to Vetinari before and gotten away with it, but just this once Vetinari backs]].admits that he's wrong.]].



** Be aware that until this point Vetinari has always been able to "bribe" Sam at the end of each book for being able to do his job, making Vimes feel a bit as a dog being thrown a bone. But not this time. Not even Vetinari can bribe history.

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** Be aware that until this point Vetinari has always been able to "bribe" Sam at the end of each book for being able to do his job, making Vimes feel a bit as like a dog being thrown a bone. But not this time. Not even Vetinari can bribe history.



*** The realization that Sam has been caring for Nobby his whole life. Nobby's been under his wing since the beginning. Is it any wonder that when the Night Watch was just three it was Colon and Nobby, who refused to leave Sam Vimes and move on? It speaks volumes about THEIR character as well as his.

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*** The realization that Sam has been caring for Nobby his whole life. Nobby's been under his wing since the beginning. Is it any wonder that when the Night Watch was just three it was Colon and Nobby, who refused to leave Sam Vimes and move on? It speaks volumes about THEIR '''their''' character as well as his.



-->The gods knew the man deserved it... but young Sam was watching him, across thirty years. When we break down, it all breaks down. That's just how it works. You can bend it, and if you make it hot enough you can bend it in a circle, but you can't break it. When you break it, it all breaks down until there's nothing unbroken. It starts here and now. He lowered the sword.

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-->The gods knew the man deserved it... but [[MoralityChain young Sam Sam]] was watching him, across thirty years. When we break down, it all breaks down. That's just how it works. You can bend it, and if you make it hot enough you can bend it in a circle, but you can't break it. When you break it, it all breaks down until there's nothing unbroken. It starts here and now. He lowered the sword.
26th Sep '15 4:55:01 AM Smoko
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** ''Night Watch'' shows that Nobby's childhood was far from [[HilariouslyAbusiveChildhood hilarious]]. Of special heartbreak is this line.
-->'''Nobby:''' I don't want to go to the Tanty, sir. Sconner's[[note]] Nobby's father [[/note]] in there.
--> '''Vimes, to himself:''' ''And he used to break your arms.''
22nd Sep '15 12:59:55 PM MechWarrior
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* Vimes's "What if we actually won?" dilemma, his consequent HeroicBSOD and his recovery. Doubled as a CrowningMomentOfAwesome.

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* Vimes's "What if we actually won?" dilemma, his consequent HeroicBSOD and his recovery. Doubled as a CrowningMomentOfAwesome.SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome.
26th Jun '15 8:16:47 AM Sharlee
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* Madame and the Seamtresses, seeing to it for thirty years that there's always a wreath and a hard-boiled egg at the gravesite.

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* Madame and the Seamtresses, Seamstresses, seeing to it for thirty years that there's always a wreath and a hard-boiled egg at the gravesite.gravesite. Vimes and his battle-comrades aren't the only ones with long memories or loyalty.
26th Jun '15 8:15:54 AM Sharlee
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* Vimes having to hear Young Sam talk about his long-gone mother; he recalls that he would rather be tortured by Swing than return to the street where he was raised.

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* Vimes having to hear Young Sam talk about his long-gone mother; he recalls that he would rather be tortured by Swing than return to the street where he was raised.raised.
* Madame and the Seamtresses, seeing to it for thirty years that there's always a wreath and a hard-boiled egg at the gravesite.
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