History TearJerker / AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth

2nd Mar '17 9:34:45 AM lalalei2001
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* Despite being... you know, the killer in Case 2 [[spoiler:and a member of of the smuggling ring]], [[spoiler: Cammy Meele]], actually gets a minor one when [[spoiler: she]] breaks down and starts explaining what happened, moments before the murder, in a terrified voice, peetering out in the end. As well as the image you got of [[spoiler: her]] killing Hicks. There doesn't look to be any malice or hatred. It honestly looks like a spur-of-the-moment act made out of fear for [[spoiler: her]] life. It can actually bring a little tear to your eye imagining it.

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* Despite being... you know, being the killer in Case 2 [[spoiler:and a member of of the smuggling ring]], [[spoiler: Cammy Meele]], actually gets a minor one when [[spoiler: she]] breaks down and starts explaining what happened, moments before the murder, in a terrified voice, peetering out in the end. As well as the image you got of [[spoiler: her]] killing Hicks. There doesn't look to be any malice or hatred. It honestly looks like a spur-of-the-moment act made out of fear for [[spoiler: her]] life. It can actually bring a little tear to your eye imagining it.



** Furthermore, it's clear that Edgeworth and Franziska really do care about each other deep down, but [[spoiler:Manfred]] manipulates both of them. Franziska was really hurt by [[spoiler:her father's disregard for her compared to Miles]].
** [[spoiler:Von Karma]] calling Miles worthless and the long silence that follows is also pretty sad. Becomes a bit of a Heartwarmer, too, when Franziska convinces her father to let them continue their investigation.
** Franziska asking [[spoiler:her father]] whether he'd watch her first trial too and his rather dismissive attitude (though the sprites used made it look like he was joking and actually would go to her first trial, not to mention every time she asked if she could do something, he said yes without hesitating). He did seem proud when Edgeworth got his first trial. All of this is kind of sad if you think about it: [[spoiler:Sure, he was a villain, but he's a human too, but that more human side is often ignored]].
** There's a sort of heartwarming tragedy to [[spoiler:the whole von Karma family]], since [[spoiler:Manfred von Karma]], for all his many faults, is one better than [[spoiler:Blaise Debeste]] from [=AAI2=] in the fact that [[spoiler:von Karma]] actually does seem to care about his family. He speaks fondly of his wife and her cooking, seems to dote on his daughter, can remember the name of his granddaughter's dog (which implies he either has a really good memory for things he only hears once or twice, or spends time with his granddaughter often) and remembers her age with no problem.

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** Furthermore, it's It's clear that Edgeworth and Franziska really do care about each other deep down, but [[spoiler:Manfred]] manipulates both of them. Franziska was really hurt by [[spoiler:her father's disregard for her compared to Miles]].
** [[spoiler:Von Karma]] calling Miles worthless and the long silence that follows is also pretty sad. Becomes a bit of a Heartwarmer, Heartwarming Moment, too, when Franziska convinces her father to let them continue their investigation.
** Franziska asking [[spoiler:her father]] whether he'd watch her first trial too and his rather dismissive attitude (though the sprites used made it look like he was joking and actually would go to her first trial, not to mention every time she asked if she could do something, he said yes without hesitating). He did seem proud when Edgeworth got his first trial. All of this is kind of sad if you think about it: [[spoiler:Sure, he was a villain, but he's a human too, but that more human side is often ignored]].
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** There's a sort of heartwarming tragedy to [[spoiler:the whole von Karma family]], since [[spoiler:Manfred von Karma]], for all his many faults, is one better than [[spoiler:Blaise Debeste]] from [=AAI2=] in the fact that [[spoiler:von Karma]] actually does seem to care about his family. He speaks fondly of his wife and her cooking, seems to dote on his daughter, can remember the name of his granddaughter's dog (which implies he either has a really good memory for things he only hears once or twice, or spends time with his granddaughter often) dog, and remembers her age with no problem.



** Except, as it was said above [[spoiler: to release Master, in the end they're going to be forced to release Gustavia. It really is a catch 22 and one of the driving forces behind the entire game. Either use the knowledge you've gained to release a wrongfully imprisoned man while allowing a murderer to go free, or allow the previous indictment of Master as an accomplice to remain so Gustavia can be put in prison. As the Credits showed Master free, the former was chosen. It's a true BittersweetEnding. They could finally fulfill Gregory's wish to free Master but at the terrible cost of the loss of justice towards Dane Gustavia. Made HarsherInHindsight when you realize he's not only responsible for Issac Dover's murder, but due to the neglect of his son, indirectly responsible for EVERY OTHER DEATH IN THE GAME other than Rooke's and has no remorse for any of it.]]
*** Although there is room for TakingAThirdOption - see the Fridge page.
*** [[spoiler:Not just in the game, but in the series as well. DL-6, Misty Fey's self-imposed exile, Redd White's blackmail, and several other events happened because Gustavia killed a man over some desserts. And he doesn't feel the tiniest bit of guilt.]]
*** Then again, Dover was an even more terrible human being than Gustavia, so his death itself is not exactly tragic.
*** [[spoiler:He's also responsible for Kate becoming a desperate vigilante. Sure, it's cathartic to see him nearly become a victim himself, and she does end up causing Master's release, but she essentially becomes another Simon Keyes in the process.]]



** Considering that the one who gave Manfred the fake evidence AND also the one who then gave him the black mark on the record was none other than [[spoiler:Blaise Debeste]], one can wonder just how much the prideful von Karma was a mastermind, and how much a tragic pawn in another Big Bad's game.
25th Sep '16 12:46:29 PM Monolaf317
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11th Jun '16 2:06:24 AM Zoriax91
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*** Although there is room for TakingAThirdOption - see the Fridge page.
2nd May '16 10:28:16 AM TaylorHyuuga
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** There's a sort of heartwarming tragedy to [[spoiler:the whole von Karma family]], since [[spoiler:Manfred von Karma]], for all his many faults, is one better than [[spoiler:Bansai Ichiyanagi]] from [=AAI2=] in the fact that [[spoiler:von Karma]] actually does seem to care about his family. He speaks fondly of his wife and her cooking, seems to dote on his daughter, can remember the name of his granddaughter's dog (which implies he either has a really good memory for things he only hears once or twice, or spends time with his granddaughter often) and remembers her age with no problem.

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** There's a sort of heartwarming tragedy to [[spoiler:the whole von Karma family]], since [[spoiler:Manfred von Karma]], for all his many faults, is one better than [[spoiler:Bansai Ichiyanagi]] [[spoiler:Blaise Debeste]] from [=AAI2=] in the fact that [[spoiler:von Karma]] actually does seem to care about his family. He speaks fondly of his wife and her cooking, seems to dote on his daughter, can remember the name of his granddaughter's dog (which implies he either has a really good memory for things he only hears once or twice, or spends time with his granddaughter often) and remembers her age with no problem.
31st Mar '16 10:44:00 PM PokemonMasterJamal
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** [[spoiler:Made Except, as it was said above [[spoiler: to release Master, in the end they're going to be forced to release Gustavia. It really is a catch 22 and one of the driving forces behind the entire game. Either use the knowledge you've gained to release a wrongfully imprisoned man while allowing a murderer to go free, or allow the previous indictment of Master as an accomplice to remain so Gustavia can be put in prison. As the Credits showed Master free, the former was chosen. It's a true BittersweetEnding. They could finally fulfill Gregory's wish to free Master but at the terrible cost of the loss of justice towards Dane Gustavia. Made HarsherInHindsight when you realize he's not only responsible for Issac Dover's murder, but due to the neglect of his son, indirectly responsible for EVERY OTHER DEATH IN THE GAME other than Rooke's and has no remorse for any of it.]]

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** [[spoiler:Made Except, as it was said above [[spoiler: to release Master, in the end they're going to be forced to release Gustavia. It really is a catch 22 and one of the driving forces behind the entire game. Either use the knowledge you've gained to release a wrongfully imprisoned man while allowing a murderer to go free, or allow the previous indictment of Master as an accomplice to remain so Gustavia can be put in prison. As the Credits showed Master free, the former was chosen. It's a true BittersweetEnding. They could finally fulfill Gregory's wish to free Master but at the terrible cost of the loss of justice towards Dane Gustavia. Made HarsherInHindsight when you realize he's not only responsible for Issac Dover's murder, but due to the neglect of his son, indirectly responsible for EVERY OTHER DEATH IN THE GAME other than Rooke's and has no remorse for any of it.]]
31st Mar '16 10:43:04 PM PokemonMasterJamal
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** [[spoiler:Made HarsherInHindsight when you realize he's not only responsible for Issac Dover's murder, but due to the neglect of his son, indirectly responsible for EVERY OTHER DEATH IN THE GAME other than Rooke's and has no remorse for any of it.]]

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** [[spoiler:Made Except, as it was said above [[spoiler: to release Master, in the end they're going to be forced to release Gustavia. It really is a catch 22 and one of the driving forces behind the entire game. Either use the knowledge you've gained to release a wrongfully imprisoned man while allowing a murderer to go free, or allow the previous indictment of Master as an accomplice to remain so Gustavia can be put in prison. As the Credits showed Master free, the former was chosen. It's a true BittersweetEnding. They could finally fulfill Gregory's wish to free Master but at the terrible cost of the loss of justice towards Dane Gustavia. Made HarsherInHindsight when you realize he's not only responsible for Issac Dover's murder, but due to the neglect of his son, indirectly responsible for EVERY OTHER DEATH IN THE GAME other than Rooke's and has no remorse for any of it.]]
31st Mar '16 10:32:35 PM PokemonMasterJamal
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** Except, as it was said above [[spoiler: to release Master, in the end they're going to be forced to release Gustavia. It really is a catch 22 and one of the driving forces behind the entire game. Either use the knowledge you've gained to release a wrongfully imprisoned man while allowing a murderer to go free, or allow the previous indictment of Master as an accomplice to remain so Gustavia can be put in prison. As the Credits showed Master free, the former was chosen. It's a true BittersweetEnding. They could finally fulfill Gregory's wish to free Master but at the terrible cost of the loss of justice towards Dane Gustavia. Made HarsherInHindsight when you realize he's not only responsible for Issac Dover's murder, but due to the neglect of his son, indirectly responsible for EVERY OTHER DEATH IN THE GAME other than Rooke's and has no remorse for any of it.]]

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** Except, as it was said above [[spoiler: to release Master, in the end they're going to be forced to release Gustavia. It really is a catch 22 and one of the driving forces behind the entire game. Either use the knowledge you've gained to release a wrongfully imprisoned man while allowing a murderer to go free, or allow the previous indictment of Master as an accomplice to remain so Gustavia can be put in prison. As the Credits showed Master free, the former was chosen. It's a true BittersweetEnding. They could finally fulfill Gregory's wish to free Master but at the terrible cost of the loss of justice towards Dane Gustavia. Made [[spoiler:Made HarsherInHindsight when you realize he's not only responsible for Issac Dover's murder, but due to the neglect of his son, indirectly responsible for EVERY OTHER DEATH IN THE GAME other than Rooke's and has no remorse for any of it.]]
25th Jan '16 7:25:23 AM Peridonyx
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** [[spoiler:Made HarsherInHindsight when you realize he's not only responsible for Issac Dover's murder, but due to the neglect of his son, indirectly responsible for EVERY OTHER DEATH IN THE GAME other than Rooke's and has no remorse for any of it.]]

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** [[spoiler:Made Except, as it was said above [[spoiler: to release Master, in the end they're going to be forced to release Gustavia. It really is a catch 22 and one of the driving forces behind the entire game. Either use the knowledge you've gained to release a wrongfully imprisoned man while allowing a murderer to go free, or allow the previous indictment of Master as an accomplice to remain so Gustavia can be put in prison. As the Credits showed Master free, the former was chosen. It's a true BittersweetEnding. They could finally fulfill Gregory's wish to free Master but at the terrible cost of the loss of justice towards Dane Gustavia. Made HarsherInHindsight when you realize he's not only responsible for Issac Dover's murder, but due to the neglect of his son, indirectly responsible for EVERY OTHER DEATH IN THE GAME other than Rooke's and has no remorse for any of it.]]
24th Jan '16 1:33:09 PM Peridonyx
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*** [[spoiler:He's also responsible for Kate becoming a desperate vigilante. Sure, it's cathartic to see him nearly become a victim himself, and she does end up causing Master's release, but she essentially becomes another Simon Keyes in the process.]]
24th Jan '16 1:24:33 PM Peridonyx
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** Except, as it was said above [[spoiler: to release Master, in the end they're going to be forced to release Gustavia. It really is a catch 22 and one of the driving forces behind the entire game. Either use the knowledge you've gained to release a wrongfully imprisoned man while allowing a murderer to go free, or allow the previous indictment of Master as an accomplice to remain so Gustavia can be put in prison. As the Credits showed Master free, the former was chosen. It's a true BittersweetEnding. They could finally fulfill Gregory's wish to free Master but at the terrible cost of the loss of justice towards Dane Gustavia. Made HarsherInHindsight when you realize he's not only responsible for Issac Dover's murder, but due to the neglect of his son, indirectly responsible for EVERY OTHER DEATH IN THE GAME other than Rooke's and has no remorse for any of it.]]

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** Except, as it was said above [[spoiler: to release Master, in the end they're going to be forced to release Gustavia. It really is a catch 22 and one of the driving forces behind the entire game. Either use the knowledge you've gained to release a wrongfully imprisoned man while allowing a murderer to go free, or allow the previous indictment of Master as an accomplice to remain so Gustavia can be put in prison. As the Credits showed Master free, the former was chosen. It's a true BittersweetEnding. They could finally fulfill Gregory's wish to free Master but at the terrible cost of the loss of justice towards Dane Gustavia. Made [[spoiler:Made HarsherInHindsight when you realize he's not only responsible for Issac Dover's murder, but due to the neglect of his son, indirectly responsible for EVERY OTHER DEATH IN THE GAME other than Rooke's and has no remorse for any of it.]]
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