History TabletopGame / HunterTheVigil

3rd Jul '16 8:35:24 PM Doug86
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* TheAtoner: In WorldWarII, members of the Loyalists of Thule advised the Nazis. They've never forgiven themselves for it.

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* TheAtoner: In WorldWarII, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, members of the Loyalists of Thule advised the Nazis. They've never forgiven themselves for it.
10th May '16 10:36:30 AM Theriocephalus
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* The Union: Regular Joes and Janes. Blue-collar workers and regular folks who just want to keep themselves and theirs safe from the things in the shadows - including mundane criminals and corrupt, oppressive bosses. The youngest of these compacts, the Union makes up for its lack of centrally controlled management with sheer numbers and flexibility. From picturesque farming towns to large metropolitan cities - if you've got the Internet, then you've got the Union.

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* The Union: Regular Joes and Janes. Blue-collar workers and regular folks who just want to keep themselves and theirs safe from the things in the shadows - -- including mundane criminals and corrupt, oppressive bosses. The youngest of these compacts, the Union makes up for its lack of centrally controlled management with sheer numbers and flexibility. From picturesque farming towns to large metropolitan cities - -- if you've got the Internet, then you've got the Union.



* [[CorruptCorporateExecutive The Cheiron Group]]: The Field Projects Division. A massive pharmaceutical concern based in Europe, Cheiron are pioneers of Thaumatechnology - [[TheyWouldCutYouUp harvesting body parts]] from various supernatural creatures and [[BodyHorror grafting them onto their agents]]. TCG policy dictates that the Bottom Line is the only line; its operatives are given plenty of leeway, as long as they do not drag the company name through the mud.

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* [[CorruptCorporateExecutive The Cheiron Group]]: The Field Projects Division. A massive pharmaceutical concern based in Europe, Cheiron are pioneers of Thaumatechnology - -- [[TheyWouldCutYouUp harvesting body parts]] from various supernatural creatures and [[BodyHorror grafting them onto their agents]]. TCG policy dictates that the Bottom Line is the only line; its operatives are given plenty of leeway, as long as they do not drag the company name through the mud.



* Knights of Saint Adrian: Demon hunters in the service of angels. Technically a detective agency named Howard Investigative Services, the Knights of Saint Adrians primary client is an angel who bestows them with magical tattoos so they can fight demons.

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* Knights of Saint Adrian: Demon hunters in the service of angels. Technically a detective agency named Howard Investigative Services, the Knights of Saint Adrians Adrian's primary client is an angel who bestows them with magical tattoos so they can fight demons.



* ChurchMilitant: The Long Night (fundamentalists) and the Malleus Maleficarum (the Catholic Inquisition - no, the ''literal'' Inquisition).

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* ChurchMilitant: The Long Night (fundamentalists) and the Malleus Maleficarum (the Catholic Inquisition - -- no, the ''literal'' Inquisition).



* CrapsackWorld: It ''is'' the World of Darkness. However, this game plays with the trope - Hunters are humans who saw how much the world sucks, said "Screw '''this!'''", and [[MoreDakka broke out the firepower]].

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* CrapsackWorld: It ''is'' the World of Darkness. However, this game plays with the trope - -- Hunters are humans who saw how much the world sucks, said "Screw '''this!'''", and [[MoreDakka broke out the firepower]].



* EldritchAbomination: The Cheiron Group is secretly run by a group of these, using illusions to appear human. However, in a strange turn for the World of Darkness, it's suggested that they ''aren't'' evil - that's an option for the Storyteller, but a second option, that they are nothing less than alien hunters from another reality here to help humanity, is also suggested.

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* EldritchAbomination: The Cheiron Group is secretly run by a group of these, using illusions to appear human. However, in a strange turn for the World of Darkness, it's suggested that they ''aren't'' evil - -- that's an option for the Storyteller, but a second option, that they are nothing less than alien hunters from another reality here to help humanity, is also suggested.



* GovernmentConspiracy: Subverted by Task Force: VALKYRIE and the Barrett Commission - both are conspiracies within the US government, but both are [[BenevolentConspiracy (nominally) on the side of good]].

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* GovernmentConspiracy: Subverted by Task Force: VALKYRIE and the Barrett Commission - -- both are conspiracies within the US government, but both are [[BenevolentConspiracy (nominally) on the side of good]].



* MoralDissonance: Yes, there's some actual ''rules'' for that. When a Hunter becomes blasé about his work, he can acquire a "Code", which is essentially a ready-made justification for any sin committed during the Vigil. This is every bit as bad as it sounds: the Code even allows you to mow down {{Innocent Bystander}}s because ''they stand in the way of your target''...without any degeneration roll! Don't think you get this for free, though - every Code comes with a penalty to Social rolls, because you just don't ''think'' the same way as normal people anymore...

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* MoralDissonance: Yes, there's some actual ''rules'' for that. When a Hunter becomes blasé about his work, he can acquire a "Code", which is essentially a ready-made justification for any sin committed during the Vigil. This is every bit as bad as it sounds: the Code even allows you to mow down {{Innocent Bystander}}s because ''they stand in the way of your target''...without any degeneration roll! Don't think you get this for free, though - -- every Code comes with a penalty to Social rolls, because you just don't ''think'' the same way as normal people anymore...



** The picture of [[VideoGame/DevilMayCry Dante]] in the corebook, however, is ''not'' a shout out - it was [[{{Plagiarism}} plagiarised]] by the artist, and White Wolf were not happy when they found out.

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** The picture of [[VideoGame/DevilMayCry Dante]] in the corebook, however, is ''not'' a shout out - -- it was [[{{Plagiarism}} plagiarised]] by the artist, and White Wolf were not happy when they found out.



** The books make a point of noting that this label could probably be applied to a lot of hunters - the Vigil is not conducive to your mental and emotional health. For instance, hunters can easily rewrite their Morality to better reflect the Vigil, but this makes it harder for them to relate to other humans and forces them to pick up some... ''unique'' quirks.

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** The books make a point of noting that this label could probably be applied to a lot of hunters - -- the Vigil is not conducive to your mental and emotional health. For instance, hunters can easily rewrite their Morality to better reflect the Vigil, but this makes it harder for them to relate to other humans and forces them to pick up some... ''unique'' quirks.



** In ''Spirit Slayers'', the Nazis blackmailed one of the Thule Society's researchers into helping them with their eugenics experiments on possible werewolves. What results the experiments had - apart from a lot of dead or mutilated prisoners - is not mentioned, but it wasn't enough to change the war.

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** In ''Spirit Slayers'', the Nazis blackmailed one of the Thule Society's researchers into helping them with their eugenics experiments on possible werewolves. What results the experiments had - -- apart from a lot of dead or mutilated prisoners - -- is not mentioned, but it wasn't enough to change the war.
9th Apr '16 2:58:16 PM Gregzilla
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* BeeBeeGun: Cheiron may be amoral bastards out for the profit margin, but at least they give you a magical hand that shoots bees [[MemeticMutation (my God)]]. Well, [[PrometheanTheCreated Pandoran]] bees, at least.

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* BeeBeeGun: Cheiron may be amoral bastards out for the profit margin, but at least they give you a magical hand that shoots bees [[MemeticMutation (my God)]].bees. Well, [[PrometheanTheCreated Pandoran]] bees, at least.
9th Apr '16 2:54:30 PM Gregzilla
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** It doesn't help that, strictly speaking, being supernatural isn't a crime and a given creature may not have committed any, making the hunter legitimately the only wrongdoer in a given situation. BlackAndBlack morality is as usual the hallmark of the world of darkness, and playable splats are almost inevitably tilted toward villainy.

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** It doesn't help that, strictly speaking, being supernatural isn't a crime and a given creature may not have committed any, making the hunter legitimately the only wrongdoer in a given situation. BlackAndBlack morality BlackAndBlackMorality is as usual the hallmark of the world of darkness, and playable splats are almost inevitably tilted toward villainy.
29th Feb '16 9:24:19 AM Theriocephalus
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* FelonyMisdemeanor: Of the three examples given for hunters adopting a code, an alternate set of morals to deal with the pressure of killing sentient beings, one is a man who decides that blowing buildings up really doesn't matter; it'd be much worse to fail to protect America, another is a man who in the throes of passion decides that "Monsters don't count", and finally there is a girl who realizes, after a fellow hunter commits suicide, that [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking shoplifting]] in the name of fighting another day isn't as bad as hogging your resources. These are treated as equal strays from basic human morality.

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* FelonyMisdemeanor: Of the three examples given for hunters adopting a code, an alternate set of morals to deal with the pressure of killing sentient beings, one is a man who decides that blowing buildings up really doesn't matter; it'd be much worse to fail to protect America, another America. Another is a man who in the throes of passion decides that "Monsters "[[VanHelsingHateCrimes monsters don't count", and finally count]]". Finally, there is a girl who realizes, after a fellow hunter commits suicide, that [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking shoplifting]] in the name of fighting another day isn't as bad as hogging your resources. These are treated as equal strays from basic human morality.
16th Dec '15 3:00:18 AM Morgenthaler
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->"[[TabletopGame/HunterTheReckoning Hunter]], without the ridiculously overpowered gifts. You're just an [[ActionSurvivor average Joe with more information than other people]]. For instance, instead of having the power to smite people with holy fire, you might have [[DepletedPhlebotinumShells bullets that are extra-effective against vampires]]. That, and you can break every conceivable human moral code without going insane, provided you can justify it in light of your "Vigil." Though, of course, [[HeWhoFightsMonsters this slowly makes you inhuman.]]

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->"[[TabletopGame/HunterTheReckoning Hunter]], ->"TabletopGame/{{Hunter|TheReckoning}}, without the ridiculously overpowered gifts. You're just an [[ActionSurvivor average Joe with more information than other people]]. people. For instance, instead of having the power to smite people with holy fire, you might have [[DepletedPhlebotinumShells bullets that are extra-effective against vampires]].vampires. That, and you can break every conceivable human moral code without going insane, provided you can justify it in light of your "Vigil." Though, of course, [[HeWhoFightsMonsters this slowly makes you inhuman.]]
4th Nov '15 12:22:09 PM FF32
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** Depending on the Slashers in question, the BigBad and EvilGenius roles could really vary between [[TheChessmaster Geniuses/Maniacs]] and [[ManipulativeBastard Charmers/Psychos]]. Similarly, TheBrute and TheDragon positions could be exchanged, depending entirely on how TheBigBad uses them.

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** Depending on the Slashers in question, the BigBad and EvilGenius roles could really vary between [[TheChessmaster Geniuses/Maniacs]] and [[ManipulativeBastard Charmers/Psychos]]. Similarly, TheBrute and TheDragon positions could be exchanged, depending entirely on how TheBigBad the BigBad uses them.
29th Oct '15 2:44:20 PM ProfessorDetective
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*** Interestingly, one of the archetypes for Task Force: VALKYRIE is a former FBI agent with an interest in the paranormal; However, the book makes a point of subtly telling the reader that this archetype ''not'' [[Series/TheXFiles Agent Mulder]]. The archetype is stated to not stick their nose in too much, unlike that idiot in their office "with his 'the truth is out there' bullshit."

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*** Interestingly, one of the archetypes for Task Force: VALKYRIE is a former FBI agent with an interest in the paranormal; However, the book makes a point of subtly telling the reader that this archetype is ''not'' [[Series/TheXFiles Agent Mulder]]. The archetype is stated to not stick their nose in too much, unlike that idiot in their office "with his 'the truth is out there' bullshit."
24th Sep '15 3:00:49 AM Deblin
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** It doesn't help that, strictly speaking, being supernatural isn't a crime and a given creature may not have committed any, making the hunter legitimately the only wrongdoer in a given situation. BlackAndBlack morality is as usual the hallmark of the world of darkness, and playable splats are almost inevitably tilted toward villainy.
21st Jul '15 7:22:05 PM Gregzilla
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* [[CorruptCorporateExecutive The Cheiron Group]]: The Field Projects Division. A massive pharmaceutical concern based in Europe, Cheiron are pioneers of Thaumatechnology - [[TheydCutYouUp harvesting body parts]] from various supernatural creatures and [[BodyHorror grafting them onto their agents]]. TCG policy dictates that the Bottom Line is the only line; its operatives are given plenty of leeway, as long as they do not drag the company name through the mud.

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* [[CorruptCorporateExecutive The Cheiron Group]]: The Field Projects Division. A massive pharmaceutical concern based in Europe, Cheiron are pioneers of Thaumatechnology - [[TheydCutYouUp [[TheyWouldCutYouUp harvesting body parts]] from various supernatural creatures and [[BodyHorror grafting them onto their agents]]. TCG policy dictates that the Bottom Line is the only line; its operatives are given plenty of leeway, as long as they do not drag the company name through the mud.
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