History TabletopGame / Greyhawk

18th Mar '17 9:57:45 AM JM1982
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* DefectorFromDecadence: Many of the more good-aligned Suel people in the Flanaess are the descendants of people who broke away from the remnants of the Suel Imperium as they fled into the Flanaess. Only the most hardcore devotees of the Imperium continued to the far south of the Flanaess, where they became the modern Scarlet Brotherhood.
20th Feb '17 1:04:26 AM jormis29
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* {{Retcon}}: After Gygax and Kuntz both left TSR, in the ''Greyhawk Wars'' storyline, Kuntz's character Lord Robilar betrayed his friends, killing some of them; Kuntz was none too happy. Twenty years later, Wizards of the Coast published ''Expedition to the Ruins of Greyhawk'', in which it's retconned that Robilar had been replaced by an evil double from a MirrorUniverse.

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* {{Retcon}}: After Gygax and Kuntz both left TSR, Creator/{{TSR}}, in the ''Greyhawk Wars'' storyline, Kuntz's character Lord Robilar betrayed his friends, killing some of them; Kuntz was none too happy. Twenty years later, Wizards of the Coast published ''Expedition to the Ruins of Greyhawk'', in which it's retconned that Robilar had been replaced by an evil double from a MirrorUniverse.



* WhatMightHaveBeen: Gygax had planned to write a series of expansions covering the rest of the supercontinent Oerik (of which the Flanaess is only the northeastern portion), but his recurring absences from Lake Geneva to work on [[WesternAnimation/{{DungeonsAndDragons}} the animated series]] and [[DevelopmentHell potential movie deals]] in Hollywood forestalled that (and ultimately helped lead to his ouster from TSR at the end of 1985). [[http://www.canonfire.com/wiki/index.php?title=Oerik An official map]] of the entire continent was eventually released in ''Dragon Annual #1'' in 1996, and later publications such as the ''Chainmail'' relaunch in 2001 and the Canonfire! fan site added more details.

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* WhatMightHaveBeen: Gygax had planned to write a series of expansions covering the rest of the supercontinent Oerik (of which the Flanaess is only the northeastern portion), but his recurring absences from Lake Geneva to work on [[WesternAnimation/{{DungeonsAndDragons}} the animated series]] and [[DevelopmentHell potential movie deals]] in Hollywood forestalled that (and ultimately helped lead to his ouster from TSR Creator/{{TSR}} at the end of 1985). [[http://www.canonfire.com/wiki/index.php?title=Oerik An official map]] of the entire continent was eventually released in ''Dragon Annual #1'' in 1996, and later publications such as the ''Chainmail'' relaunch in 2001 and the Canonfire! fan site added more details.
22nd Jan '17 6:28:23 AM Morgenthaler
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* CrossoverCosmology: Iuz is the grandson of both [[Myth/RussianMythologyAndTales Baba Yaga]] and (maybe) [[CthulhuMythos Nyarlathotep]].

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* CrossoverCosmology: Iuz is the grandson of both [[Myth/RussianMythologyAndTales Baba Yaga]] and (maybe) [[CthulhuMythos [[Franchise/CthulhuMythos Nyarlathotep]].
9th Jan '17 1:19:14 AM allium
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* ''Quag Keep'' (released in 1978 by Creator/AndreNorton)
4th Jan '17 2:34:50 PM WildCardCourier
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* ''Literature/TheKnightsOfTheSilverDragon''

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* ''Literature/TheKnightsOfTheSilverDragon''''The Knights of the Silver Dragon''



* AssInAmbassador: After the Greyhawk Wars, part of the peace treaty required the creation of embassies in the city of Greyhawk to try and prevent such a massive disaster in the future by making sure each power bloc or great power had at least the ability to negotiate in good faith with each other at all times. Iuz, being an evil half-fiend demigod with a massively expanded empire thanks to said war, showed his contempt for the whole thing by sending as his representative the worst possible candidate: one of his clerics named Pyremiel Alexane, who looks like a mummified corpse and has a bevy of odious features and behaviors (he has wracking coughs that make him spit out black phlegm, smells terrible from his nonexistent hygiene, pick his claw-like nails in public specifically to gross people out, eats like a pig in a through, etc...). And to top it off, the guy is a smug, smarmy {{jerkass}} toward everybody. In his game stats writeup, he actually has a Charisma stat of 3 (the absolute human minimum in D&D).

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* AssInAmbassador: After the Greyhawk Wars, part of the peace treaty required the creation of embassies in the city of Greyhawk to try and prevent such a massive disaster in the future by making sure each power bloc or great power had at least the ability to negotiate in good faith with each other at all times. Iuz, being an evil half-fiend demigod with a massively expanded empire thanks to said war, showed his contempt for the whole thing by sending as his representative the worst possible candidate: one of his clerics named Pyremiel Alexane, who looks like a mummified corpse and has a bevy of odious features and behaviors (he has wracking coughs that make him spit out black phlegm, smells terrible from his nonexistent hygiene, pick picks his claw-like nails in public specifically to gross people out, eats like a pig in a through, trough, etc...). And to top it off, the guy is a smug, smarmy {{jerkass}} toward everybody. In his game stats writeup, he actually has a Charisma stat of 3 (the absolute human minimum in D&D).



* BehemothBattle: On level 5, of the module [=WG7=] ''Castle Greyhawk'', a Players observe a battle between an Apparatus of Kwalish and an iron golem piloted by an orc. It's an AffectionateParody of FASA's ''TabletopGame/BattleTech'' game (the orc is even named "Fahzah").

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* BehemothBattle: On level 5, 5 of the module [=WG7=] ''Castle Greyhawk'', a Players observe a battle between an Apparatus of Kwalish and an iron golem piloted by an orc. It's an AffectionateParody of FASA's ''TabletopGame/BattleTech'' game (the orc is even named "Fahzah").



*** By 3rd edition, Vecna was so iconic that he became one of the gods of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' in general, typically holding the post of "God of Secrets, BlackMagic and/or [[TheNecromancer Necromancy]] and [[ThingsManShouldNotKnow Forbidden Lore]]". So did his Hand and Eye.

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*** By 3rd edition, Vecna was so iconic that he became one of the gods of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' in general, typically holding the post of "God of Secrets, BlackMagic and/or [[TheNecromancer Necromancy]] and [[ThingsManShouldNotKnow Forbidden Lore]]".Lore". So did his Hand and Eye.



* FantasyCounterpartCulture: The Baklunish people are similar to real-world Middle Easterners. The Olmans and the Flan are clearly based on Native Americans-the Flan on northern First Nations (Cree, Sioux, Iroquois, etc.), and the Olman on the southern nations, especially [[{{Mayincatec}} the Maya and Aztecs]]. It's implied that the Rhenee ''are'' Roma, having arrived on Oerth from another place called "Rhop"--possibly Europe. The Great Kingdom of Aerdy had a UsefulNotes/HolyRomanEmpire vibe to it.

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* FantasyCounterpartCulture: The Baklunish people are similar to real-world Middle Easterners. The Olmans and the Flan are clearly based on Native Americans-the Americans - the Flan on northern First Nations (Cree, Sioux, Iroquois, etc.), and the Olman on the southern nations, especially [[{{Mayincatec}} the Maya and Aztecs]]. It's implied that the Rhenee ''are'' Roma, having arrived on Oerth from another place called "Rhop"--possibly Europe. The Great Kingdom of Aerdy had a UsefulNotes/HolyRomanEmpire vibe to it.



* GodsHandsAreTied: It's generally accepted that the gods cannot intervene directly on Oerth without starting TheApocalypse, and can only act through their mortal servants. This typically takes the form of granting divine spells, although they can act on a larger scale if their mortal servants meet the right conditions, such as using an ArtifactOfDoom. Exceptions to the rule are gods who actually dwell on the Prime Material Plane such as Iuz and Wastri (who tend to be among the weakest gods (AKA demigods), though still far more powerful than most mortals). St. Cuthbert has also appeared on the material plane on a couple of occasions, although it's implied that the gods of evil may be able to do the same at some point [[YouOweMe to restore the balance.]]

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* GodsHandsAreTied: It's generally accepted that the gods cannot intervene directly on Oerth without starting TheApocalypse, the Apocalypse, and can only act through their mortal servants. This typically takes the form of granting divine spells, although they can act on a larger scale if their mortal servants meet the right conditions, such as using an ArtifactOfDoom. Exceptions to the rule are gods who actually dwell on the Prime Material Plane such as Iuz and Wastri (who tend to be among the weakest gods (AKA demigods), though still far more powerful than most mortals). St. Cuthbert has also appeared on the material plane on a couple of occasions, although it's implied that the gods of evil may be able to do the same at some point [[YouOweMe to restore the balance.]]



** Perrenland, which was once ruled by the evil sorceress Iggwilv and, while mostly good-alienged still has some evil-aligned clans who support her;

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** Perrenland, which was once ruled by the evil sorceress Iggwilv and, while mostly good-alienged good-aligned still has some evil-aligned clans who support her;



* HiddenElfVillage: The elven kingdom of Celene, which refused to aid its human allies during the Greyhawk Wars. The elven race as a whole tends to subvert this, as while they will help humans and other races in need they're just more comfortable living among their own kind. Even within Celene itself, many elves disagreed with their queen's decision to not help their human neighbors, and work to help the humans anyway.

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* HiddenElfVillage: The elven kingdom of Celene, which refused to aid its human allies during the Greyhawk Wars. The elven race as a whole tends to subvert this, as while they will help humans and other races in need need, they're just more comfortable living among their own kind. Even within Celene itself, many elves disagreed with their queen's decision to not help their human neighbors, and work to help the humans anyway.



* {{Irony}}: The toad-like demigod Wastri, whose priests themselves become more toadlike over time, is basically the patron of humanocentric FantasticRacism, amusingly enough. [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] in ''The Living Greyhawk Gazetteer'':

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* {{Irony}}: The toad-like demigod Wastri, whose priests themselves become more toadlike over time, is basically the patron of humanocentric humano-centric FantasticRacism, amusingly enough. [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] in ''The Living Greyhawk Gazetteer'':



* ANaziByAnyOtherName: The Scarlet Brotherhood, a group of blond, fair-skinned [[FantasticRacism human supremicists]] who practice selective breeding amongst themselves, and are devoted to exterminating certain groups of humanoids (like elves and dwarves) and making slaves of others (like goblins and orcs).

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* ANaziByAnyOtherName: The Scarlet Brotherhood, a group of blond, fair-skinned [[FantasticRacism human supremicists]] supremacists]] who practice selective breeding amongst themselves, and are devoted to exterminating certain groups of humanoids (like elves and dwarves) and making slaves of others (like goblins and orcs).



* TakeThat: The bizarre Egg of Coot, a ruler in the Blackmoor area, was a [[http://www.greyhawkonline.com/grodog/gh_anagrams.html jab]] at a certain Gr'''egg''' S'''cott''', who ran a wargames miniatures company and with whom DaveArneson had previously clashed. (It's often mistaken for a jab at '''E. G'''ary '''G'''ygax.)

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* TakeThat: The bizarre Egg of Coot, a ruler in the Blackmoor area, was a [[http://www.greyhawkonline.com/grodog/gh_anagrams.html jab]] at a certain Gr'''egg''' Gr'''eg(g)''' S'''cott''', who ran a wargames member of the Midwest Military Simulation Association and wargame miniatures company and manufacturer with whom DaveArneson Dave Arneson had previously clashed. (It's often mistaken for a jab at '''E. G'''ary '''G'''ygax.)
29th Oct '16 11:27:44 AM JM1982
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** Sevvord Redbeard, ruler of the Hold of Stonefist and later "Rhelt" (King) of Stonehold, is another example. He's the only Epic-level character in the Living Greyhawk Gazetteer who is not a wizard.
7th Sep '16 9:17:34 AM allium
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The setting is named after the great Free City of Greyhawk, a sprawling city of wizards and thieves that lies at the heart of the Flanaess - as well as Castle Greyhawk, a legendary dungeon that lies outside the city. These locations are at the heart of 'the Flanaess' - the northeast end of Oerik, the largest continent on the world of Oerth. Ravaged by centuries of warfare, contested by dozens of races and organizations, the Flanaess is crawling with monsters to slay, ruins to loot, and vile magicians to foil. A very generic [[HeroicFantasy heroic fantasy]] setting, but one which suits the game's needs perfectly. In the ''TabletopGame/{{Planescape}}'' and ''TabletopGame/{{Spelljammer}}'' settings, the world of ''Greyhawk'' is part of a [[TheMultiverse larger universe]] that also includes ''Literature/{{Dragonlance}}'' and ''TabletopGame/ForgottenRealms''.

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The setting is named after the great Free City of Greyhawk, a sprawling city metropolis of wizards and thieves that lies at located next to the heart of the Flanaess - as well as Castle Greyhawk, a legendary dungeon that lies outside the city.of Castle Greyhawk. These locations are at the heart of 'the Flanaess' - the northeast end of Oerik, the largest continent on the world of Oerth. Ravaged by centuries of warfare, contested by dozens of races and organizations, the Flanaess is crawling with monsters to slay, ruins to loot, and vile magicians to foil. A very generic [[HeroicFantasy heroic fantasy]] setting, but one which suits the game's needs perfectly. In the ''TabletopGame/{{Planescape}}'' and ''TabletopGame/{{Spelljammer}}'' settings, the world of ''Greyhawk'' is part of a [[TheMultiverse larger universe]] that also includes ''Literature/{{Dragonlance}}'' and ''TabletopGame/ForgottenRealms''.
3rd Sep '16 7:47:14 AM Morgenthaler
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* FantasyCounterpartCulture: The Baklunish people are similar to real-world Middle Easterners. The Olmans and the Flan are clearly based on Native Americans-the Flan on northern First Nations (Cree, Sioux, Iroquois, etc.), and the Olman on the southern nations, especially [[{{Mayincatec}} the Maya and Aztecs]]. It's implied that the Rhenee ''are'' Roma, having arrived on Oerth from another place called "Rhop"--possibly Europe. The Great Kingdom of Aerdy had a HolyRomanEmpire vibe to it.

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* FantasyCounterpartCulture: The Baklunish people are similar to real-world Middle Easterners. The Olmans and the Flan are clearly based on Native Americans-the Flan on northern First Nations (Cree, Sioux, Iroquois, etc.), and the Olman on the southern nations, especially [[{{Mayincatec}} the Maya and Aztecs]]. It's implied that the Rhenee ''are'' Roma, having arrived on Oerth from another place called "Rhop"--possibly Europe. The Great Kingdom of Aerdy had a HolyRomanEmpire UsefulNotes/HolyRomanEmpire vibe to it.
21st Jul '16 10:45:28 AM allium
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The setting is named after the great Free City of Greyhawk, a sprawling city of wizards and thieves that lies at the heart of the Flanaess - as well as Castle Greyhawk, a legendary dungeon that lies outside the city. These locations are at the heart of 'the Flanaess' - the northeast end of the largest continent on the world of Oerth. Ravaged by centuries of warfare, contested by dozens of races and organizations, the Flanaess is crawling with monsters to slay, ruins to loot, and vile magicians to foil. A very generic [[HeroicFantasy heroic fantasy]] setting, but one which suits the game's needs perfectly. In the ''TabletopGame/{{Planescape}}'' and ''TabletopGame/{{Spelljammer}}'' settings, the world of ''Greyhawk'' is part of a [[TheMultiverse larger universe]] that also includes ''Literature/{{Dragonlance}}'' and ''TabletopGame/ForgottenRealms''.

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The setting is named after the great Free City of Greyhawk, a sprawling city of wizards and thieves that lies at the heart of the Flanaess - as well as Castle Greyhawk, a legendary dungeon that lies outside the city. These locations are at the heart of 'the Flanaess' - the northeast end of Oerik, the largest continent on the world of Oerth. Ravaged by centuries of warfare, contested by dozens of races and organizations, the Flanaess is crawling with monsters to slay, ruins to loot, and vile magicians to foil. A very generic [[HeroicFantasy heroic fantasy]] setting, but one which suits the game's needs perfectly. In the ''TabletopGame/{{Planescape}}'' and ''TabletopGame/{{Spelljammer}}'' settings, the world of ''Greyhawk'' is part of a [[TheMultiverse larger universe]] that also includes ''Literature/{{Dragonlance}}'' and ''TabletopGame/ForgottenRealms''.



* WhatMightHaveBeen: Gygax had planned to write a series of expansions covering the rest of the continent Oerik (of which the Flanaess is only the northeastern portion), but his recurring absences from Lake Geneva to work on [[WesternAnimation/{{DungeonsAndDragons}} the animated series]] and [[DevelopmentHell potential movie deals]] in Hollywood forestalled that (and ultimately helped lead to his ouster from TSR at the end of 1985). [[http://www.canonfire.com/wiki/index.php?title=Oerik An official map]] of the entire continent was eventually released in ''Dragon Annual #1'' in 1996, and later publications such as the ''Chainmail'' relaunch in 2001 and the Canonfire! fan site added more details.

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* WhatMightHaveBeen: Gygax had planned to write a series of expansions covering the rest of the continent supercontinent Oerik (of which the Flanaess is only the northeastern portion), but his recurring absences from Lake Geneva to work on [[WesternAnimation/{{DungeonsAndDragons}} the animated series]] and [[DevelopmentHell potential movie deals]] in Hollywood forestalled that (and ultimately helped lead to his ouster from TSR at the end of 1985). [[http://www.canonfire.com/wiki/index.php?title=Oerik An official map]] of the entire continent was eventually released in ''Dragon Annual #1'' in 1996, and later publications such as the ''Chainmail'' relaunch in 2001 and the Canonfire! fan site added more details.
30th Jun '16 5:56:54 PM Anddrix
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* FaceHeelTurn: Rary and Robilar. This was a bit of a BaseBreaker, since they immediately signaled their new priorities by attempting to sabotage a major peace summit, [[KilledOffForReal going to unusual lengths to kill a few former associates]] while they were at it.

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* FaceHeelTurn: Rary and Robilar. This was a bit of a BaseBreaker, controversial, since they immediately signaled their new priorities by attempting to sabotage a major peace summit, [[KilledOffForReal going to unusual lengths to kill a few former associates]] while they were at it.
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