History TabletopGame / DemonTheFallen

12th Aug '17 10:21:59 AM Baeraad555
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* BrilliantButLazy: The human race, from the perspective of demons (who, conversely, are driven and passionate in their actions but rigid and unimaginative in their thinking).
-->'''Lucifer:''' Humans have the potential for so much but the drive to do so little!
* ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve: Human Faith can potentially reshape the very laws of the universe. In the modern day, few people can marshal enough Faith to accomplish much, but back during the war there were examples of human communities being attacked by monsters that had been brought into being by their own fear.


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* CruelMercy: God declared an individual punishment for each House of fallen angels. Her punishment of the Devils was... not deigning to punish them at all. That sounds underwhelming, but the Devils, whose defining characteristic is {{Pride}}, could have endured [[AnythingButThat anything]] other than being [[NotWorthKilling beneath God's notice.]] The same principle may have been the reason for why Lucifer was not sent to Hell - what better way to punish the proudest and noblest Devil of them all than by letting him off scott free while his followers suffered eternal torment?


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* NotInThisForYourRevolution: The Ebon Legion consisted of those demons who were committed to the war against Heaven but who were in it solely to further their own interests. In the modern day, the more cynical Faustians are this compared to their more idealistic peers - they want humans to be healthy and plentiful, yes, but only because they want more worshipers feeding them Faith and doing their bidding.


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* PhysicalGod: What the demons used to be, before God stripped them of much of their power and threw them into Hell. Lucifer is still this trope.
* PlayingWithFire: The Lore of Flames lets you do this.
* ThePowersThatBe: The Earthbound, lacking physical bodies, have to act through agents or by performing wide-ranging feats of Lore. On a much larger scale, God never took direct part in either the creation of the world or the war, instead empowering Her loyal angels to work and fight in Her name.
11th Aug '17 9:31:58 AM Baeraad555
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* DeTerminator: The Luciferans consider being imprisoned in Hell for eons to have been ''a minor setback,'' and now that they're free again they're planning to pick up right where they left off. Whether that makes them magnificently stalwart heroes or just a bunch of stubborn jackasses who don't KnowWhenToFoldThem is a matter of some contention, mind you.
11th Aug '17 9:26:58 AM Baeraad555
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* HowTheMightyHaveFallen: It's right there in the title. The demons used to be capable of creating life, moving mountains, engineering entire parallel dimensions and similar feats of literally divine might. In their current state, they are reduced to using a handful of limited parlour tricks to wheedle a mere trickle of the Faith they need out of humans who are, quite frankly, also just a pale shadow of [[OriginalMan what they were.]] Subverted with the Earthbound, who are described as being in some ways ''more'' powerful than they were as angels - though [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity at the cost of even what little sanity regular demons have managed to hold on to.]]
9th Aug '17 10:34:40 PM Baeraad555
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* FiveManBand: In the War of Wrath, the Legions followed this pattern.
** TheHero: The Crimson Legion, loyal to [[BigGood Lucifer]] and following his vision of building a better world in the ruins of Eden.
** TheLancer: The Ebon Legion, as cynical as the Crimson Legion was idealistic, [[NotInThisForYourRevolution looking to make things better for themselves first and foremost.]]
** TheBigGuy: The Iron Legion, whose foremost concern was the protection of the human race.
** TheSmartGuy: The Silver Legion, with its focus on [[MadScientist research and innovation]].
** TheChick: The Alabaster Legion, made up by those demons who didn't have any major ideas of their own and just sort of tagged along with the others on the major campaigns.
9th Aug '17 10:25:27 PM Baeraad555
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* HufflepuffHouse: The Alabaster Legion was made up the demons who for whatever reason didn't want to join either the Crimson, Iron, Ebon or Silver Legions.
9th Aug '17 10:15:19 PM Baeraad555
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* NobleDemon: The Devils, in particular, have a traditional code of honour that aims to make them this. You can conquer, kill and destroy, but you must do it with courage and integrity, making sure to honour your promises and paying whatever personal price your convictions may require of you. Not all modern Devils still live up to this ideal, mind.
9th Aug '17 12:34:45 PM Baeraad555
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* NumberOfTheBeast: There are six hundred sixty-six Earthbound.

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* NumberOfTheBeast: There are six hundred sixty-six Earthbound. Likewise, Lucifer's True Name, when translated into binary and written in eight-point type, covers exactly six hundred and sixty-six pages.
9th Aug '17 12:32:03 PM Baeraad555
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* CreativeSterility: A subtle examples. Angels (fallen or otherwise) can ''create'' like nobody's business. What they can't do is ''innovate.'' Only God or humankind (who are created in Her image) are capable of creating entirely new concepts - angels can follow their instructions, improve on their overall designs, make a few personal flourishes within an established theme, and even take their ideas [[GoneHorriblyRight further than they]] [[UpToEleven thought possible]], but they can't conceive of a truly original idea.


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* HumansAreFlawed: And apparently by design.
-->'''Lucifer:''' Humans aren't perfect. They weren't meant to be.
* HumansAreSpecial: A decidedly cynical and downplayed take on this. Humans ''are'' special, each one having a spark of divine creativity in them that demons can never hope to emulate, making them capable of reshaping the world according to their will and coming up with endless wonders - and maybe one in a million actually makes good on that potential, with the rest just acting like stupid, selfish apes. Much of the demons' frustration throughout history has come from just how difficult it is to make humans get their asses in gear and act like the elevated beings they were meant to be.


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* OmniscientMoralityLicense: God responded to the angels' concerns about the state of humanity by claiming that in contrary to appearances, She had excellent reasons for what She was doing that She would not explain, but would show to anyone who came to Her and asked. Those who did were never seen again, and their fate is left ambiguous.


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* WellIntentionedExtremist: Lucifer was of course the original one, and other demons can fall into this when their Torment is low but their ambition remain high (as is the case with the nicer sort of Faustians). In fact, it's implied to have been an intrinsic part of the angelic mindset even before the Fall - at Torment 1, representing the highest moral state a demon can realistically achieve, a demon is forbidden from showing "unwillingness to sacrifice for the [[TheNeedsOfTheMany greater good]]."
19th May '17 11:43:57 PM nombretomado
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* HopelessWar: [[VampireTheMasquerade After Caine invented murder]], Lucifer essentially lost control of three of his five legions, and many of those renegade Fallen didn't take long at all to more or less spiral into StupidEvil. The Fallen who kept their shit together were pretty much fucked from word go because they had to spend almost as much time and effort fixing their fellows' screw ups and bullshit evil experiments as they did resisting the heavenly host.

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* HopelessWar: [[VampireTheMasquerade [[TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade After Caine invented murder]], Lucifer essentially lost control of three of his five legions, and many of those renegade Fallen didn't take long at all to more or less spiral into StupidEvil. The Fallen who kept their shit together were pretty much fucked from word go because they had to spend almost as much time and effort fixing their fellows' screw ups and bullshit evil experiments as they did resisting the heavenly host.
30th Mar '17 4:02:34 AM sdsmo
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* BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil: By the time a few demons manage to escape the Abyss, the eons of suffering have so broken them that even what were once the most noble among them can only be dragged into sanity by exposure to the memories and feelings of a human host. The Earthbound, lacking such a host, are without exception horrid monstrosities.
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