History Synopsis / MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty

1st Jul '17 3:28:36 AM Wuz
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* [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-2YuPGYabw&t=122s An analysis of the details of the story including the ending]], from WebVideo/SuperBunnyhop

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* [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-2YuPGYabw&t=122s [[https://youtu.be/T-2YuPGYabw An analysis of the details of the story including the ending]], from WebVideo/SuperBunnyhop
1st Jul '17 3:27:08 AM Wuz
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* [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-2YuPGYabw&t=122s An analysis of the details of the story including the ending]], from WebVideo/SuperBunnyhop
1st Feb '17 10:43:53 AM Nitroid
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* [[http://www.metagearsolid.org/reports_vr_theory_1.html Metal Gear Solid: The Unofficial Site's take on it, in its original context]]

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* [[http://www.metagearsolid.org/reports_vr_theory_1.html Metal Gear Solid: The Unofficial Site's take on it, in its original context]][[http://junkerhq.net/MGS2/ Junker HQ's line-by-line analysis of the ending]]
1st Feb '17 10:37:34 AM Nitroid
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-->''What the hell?''
--->--'''Solid Snake''', summing up the audience's reaction in [[TheStinger the final line of the game]]

-->''"We were ''supposed'' to feel fooled and betrayed by Kojima. This should be obvious from playing the game and studying its constant themes of layered deception, but history has proven that most people never got the joke or appreciated his sly attempt at making (what matches his own definition of) art. Postmodernism has that effect... If so, then perhaps the universal backlash he received was enough to convince him that games [[ArtistDisillusionment could not be art after all]], hence his answer in ''[an]'' interview."''
--->--'''Terry Wolf''', [[http://metagearsolid.org/reports_fromnothing3.html "Deconstructing MGS2"]]

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-->''What -->''"I won’t dare say that Metal Gear Solid 2 was “flawlessly crafted.” Its story was not “well-constructed.” It wasn’t supposed to be. That’s the hell?''
nature of the postmodern: to attack the societal/literary dogma as it has been written since the beginning of time: “All stories must make sense, all love must be true, all endings must be happy and easy to understand.” MGS is not easy to understand. It gets downright bizarre. It’ll make you throw up your hands and scream, “What the hell?”"''
--->--'''Tim Rogers''', [[http://archives.insertcredit.com/features/dreaming2/ "Dreaming in an Empty Room"]]

-->''"What the hell?"''
--->--'''Solid Snake''', affirming as much and summing up the audience's reaction in [[TheStinger the final line of the game]]

-->''"We were ''supposed'' to feel fooled and betrayed by Kojima. This should be obvious from playing the game and studying its constant themes of layered deception, but history has proven that most people never got the joke or appreciated his sly attempt at making (what matches his own definition of) art. Postmodernism has that effect... If so, then perhaps the universal backlash he received was enough to convince him that games [[ArtistDisillusionment could not be art after all]], hence his answer in ''[an]'' interview."''
--->--'''Terry Wolf''', [[http://metagearsolid.org/reports_fromnothing3.html "Deconstructing MGS2"]]
game]]
12th Sep '15 6:00:19 PM ChaoticNovelist
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''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots'' had the dubious honor of having to explain, {{retcon}}, and tie up all this confusion somehow--and the amazing (and arguably frightening) thing is that it ''did'', but just by the skin of its teeth (which frankly is a CrowningMomentOfAwesome in itself). However, it can be argued that this is also the reason as to why ''Metal Gear Solid 4'' had approximately ''nine hours of cutscenes''. In case you're wondering, [[spoiler: the AI's are just AI's [[AIIsACrapshoot that thought a bit too highly of themselves - and in the end, the Patriots weren't even controlling them anymore]]. The men dead for over a hundred years are actually from an earlier AncientConspiracy known as the Philosophers; the Patriots took over the American branch of the Philosophers and used the identities of its founders as a cover. The actual Patriots turn out to be Big Boss and his partners from ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3SnakeEater'', but they had a falling out which caused Big Boss to turn against the group. In fact, two of the original Patriots were killed in ''Metal Gear Solid'', and by ''Metal Gear Solid 4'' the last one is little more than a vegetable; the AIs were running the group by this point. Ocelot turns out to be one of the original Patriots and although he pretended to be loyal to them, [[DoubleAgent he actually sided with Big Boss]]. Ocelot's possession by Liquid was part of a larger plan to fool the AIs and last member of the Patriots - and [[MindScrew at some point]] [[DoingInTheWizard Ocelot began faking he was possessed]]. (It's also suggested Ocelot's original possession was tied to his father being a spirit medium.) Oh, Rosemary is real, Vamp had a natural HealingFactor enhanced by nanomachines, and Fortune... actually we don't learn what happened with Fortune, but PsychicPowers do exist in this universe.]] Doesn't it all make sense now?

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''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots'' had the dubious honor of having to explain, {{retcon}}, and tie up all this confusion somehow--and the amazing (and arguably frightening) thing is that it ''did'', but just by the skin of its teeth (which frankly is a CrowningMomentOfAwesome in itself). However, it can be argued that this is also the reason as to why ''Metal Gear Solid 4'' had approximately ''nine hours of cutscenes''. In case you're wondering, [[spoiler: the AI's are just AI's [[AIIsACrapshoot that thought a bit too highly of themselves - and in the end, the Patriots weren't even controlling them anymore]]. The men dead for over a hundred years are actually from an earlier AncientConspiracy known as the Philosophers; the Patriots took over the American branch of the Philosophers and used the identities of its founders as a cover. The actual Patriots turn out to be Big Boss and his partners from ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3SnakeEater'', but they had a falling out which caused Big Boss to turn against the group. In fact, two of the original Patriots were killed in ''Metal Gear Solid'', and by ''Metal Gear Solid 4'' the last one is little more than a vegetable; the AIs were running the group by this point. Ocelot turns out to be one of the original Patriots and although he pretended to be loyal to them, [[DoubleAgent he actually sided with Big Boss]]. Ocelot's possession by Liquid was part of a larger plan to fool the AIs and last member of the Patriots - and [[MindScrew at some point]] [[DoingInTheWizard point Ocelot began faking he was possessed]]. (It's also suggested Ocelot's original possession was tied to his father being a spirit medium.) Oh, Rosemary is real, Vamp had a natural HealingFactor enhanced by nanomachines, and Fortune... actually we don't learn what happened with Fortune, but PsychicPowers do exist in this universe.]] Doesn't it all make sense now?
18th Aug '15 3:58:49 PM LahmacunKebab
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''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots'' had the dubious honor of having to explain, {{retcon}}, and tie up all this confusion somehow--and the amazing (and arguably frightening) thing is that it ''did'', but just by the skin of its teeth (which frankly is a CrowningMomentOfAwesome in itself). However, it can be argued that this is also the reason as to why ''Metal Gear Solid 4'' had approximately ''nine hours of cutscenes''. In case you're wondering, [[spoiler: the AI's are just AI's [[AIIsACrapshoot that thought a bit too highly of themselves - and in the end, the Patriots weren't even controlling them anymore]]. The men dead for over a hundred years are actually from an earlier AncientConspiracy known as the Philosophers; the Patriots took over the American branch of the Philosophers and used the identities of its founders as a cover. The actual Patriots turn out to be Big Boss and his partners from ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3SnakeEater'', but they had a falling out which caused Big Boss to turn against the group. In fact, two of the original Patriots were killed in ''Metal Gear Solid'', and by ''Metal Gear Solid 4'' the last one is little more than a vegetable; the AIs were running the group by this point. Ocelot turns out to be one of the original Patriots and although he pretended to be loyal to them, [[DoubleAgent he actually sided with Big Boss]]. Ocelot's possession by Liquid was part of a larger plan to fool the AIs and last member of the Patriots - and [[MindScrew at some point]] [[DoingInTheWizard Ocelot began faking he was possessed]]. (It's also suggested Ocelot's original possession was tied to his father being a spirit medium.) Oh, Rosemary is real, Vamp had a natural HealingFactor enhanced by nanomachines, and Fortune...actually we don't learn what happened with Fortune, but PsychicPowers do exist in this universe.]] Doesn't it all make sense now?

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''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots'' had the dubious honor of having to explain, {{retcon}}, and tie up all this confusion somehow--and the amazing (and arguably frightening) thing is that it ''did'', but just by the skin of its teeth (which frankly is a CrowningMomentOfAwesome in itself). However, it can be argued that this is also the reason as to why ''Metal Gear Solid 4'' had approximately ''nine hours of cutscenes''. In case you're wondering, [[spoiler: the AI's are just AI's [[AIIsACrapshoot that thought a bit too highly of themselves - and in the end, the Patriots weren't even controlling them anymore]]. The men dead for over a hundred years are actually from an earlier AncientConspiracy known as the Philosophers; the Patriots took over the American branch of the Philosophers and used the identities of its founders as a cover. The actual Patriots turn out to be Big Boss and his partners from ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3SnakeEater'', but they had a falling out which caused Big Boss to turn against the group. In fact, two of the original Patriots were killed in ''Metal Gear Solid'', and by ''Metal Gear Solid 4'' the last one is little more than a vegetable; the AIs were running the group by this point. Ocelot turns out to be one of the original Patriots and although he pretended to be loyal to them, [[DoubleAgent he actually sided with Big Boss]]. Ocelot's possession by Liquid was part of a larger plan to fool the AIs and last member of the Patriots - and [[MindScrew at some point]] [[DoingInTheWizard Ocelot began faking he was possessed]]. (It's also suggested Ocelot's original possession was tied to his father being a spirit medium.) Oh, Rosemary is real, Vamp had a natural HealingFactor enhanced by nanomachines, and Fortune... actually we don't learn what happened with Fortune, but PsychicPowers do exist in this universe.]] Doesn't it all make sense now?
18th Aug '15 3:57:15 PM LahmacunKebab
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''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots'' had the dubious honor of having to explain, {{retcon}}, and tie up all this confusion somehow--and the amazing (and arguably frightening) thing is that it ''did'', but just by the skin of its teeth (which frankly is a CrowningMomentOfAwesome in itself). However, it can be argued that this is also the reason as to why ''Metal Gear Solid 4'' had approximately ''nine hours of cutscenes''. In case you're wondering, [[spoiler: the AI's are just AI's [[AIIsACrapshoot that thought a bit too highly of themselves - and in the end, the Patriots weren't even controlling them anymore]]. The men dead for over a hundred years are actually from an earlier AncientConspiracy known as the Philosophers; the Patriots took over the American branch of the Philosophers and used the identities of it's founders as a cover. The actual Patriots turn out to be Big Boss and his partners from ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3SnakeEater'', but they had a falling out which caused Big Boss to turn against the group. In fact, two of the original Patriots were killed in ''Metal Gear Solid'', and by ''Metal Gear Solid 4'' the last one is little more than a vegetable; the AIs were running the group by this point. Ocelot turns out to be one of the original Patriots and although he pretended to be loyal to them, [[DoubleAgent he actually sided with Big Boss]]. Ocelot's possession by Liquid was part of a larger plan to fool the AIs and last member of the Patriots - and [[MindScrew at some point]] [[DoingInTheWizard Ocelot began faking he was possessed]]. (It's also suggested Ocelot's original possession was tied to his father being a spirit medium.) Oh, Rosemary is real, Vamp had a natural HealingFactor enhanced by nanomachines, and Fortune...actually we don't learn what happened with Fortune, but PsychicPowers do exist in this universe.]] Doesn't it all make sense now?

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''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots'' had the dubious honor of having to explain, {{retcon}}, and tie up all this confusion somehow--and the amazing (and arguably frightening) thing is that it ''did'', but just by the skin of its teeth (which frankly is a CrowningMomentOfAwesome in itself). However, it can be argued that this is also the reason as to why ''Metal Gear Solid 4'' had approximately ''nine hours of cutscenes''. In case you're wondering, [[spoiler: the AI's are just AI's [[AIIsACrapshoot that thought a bit too highly of themselves - and in the end, the Patriots weren't even controlling them anymore]]. The men dead for over a hundred years are actually from an earlier AncientConspiracy known as the Philosophers; the Patriots took over the American branch of the Philosophers and used the identities of it's its founders as a cover. The actual Patriots turn out to be Big Boss and his partners from ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3SnakeEater'', but they had a falling out which caused Big Boss to turn against the group. In fact, two of the original Patriots were killed in ''Metal Gear Solid'', and by ''Metal Gear Solid 4'' the last one is little more than a vegetable; the AIs were running the group by this point. Ocelot turns out to be one of the original Patriots and although he pretended to be loyal to them, [[DoubleAgent he actually sided with Big Boss]]. Ocelot's possession by Liquid was part of a larger plan to fool the AIs and last member of the Patriots - and [[MindScrew at some point]] [[DoingInTheWizard Ocelot began faking he was possessed]]. (It's also suggested Ocelot's original possession was tied to his father being a spirit medium.) Oh, Rosemary is real, Vamp had a natural HealingFactor enhanced by nanomachines, and Fortune...actually we don't learn what happened with Fortune, but PsychicPowers do exist in this universe.]] Doesn't it all make sense now?
16th Aug '14 5:22:09 PM johnnyfog
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--->--'''Solid Snake, summing up the audience's reaction in [[TheStinger the final line of the game]]'''

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--->--'''Solid Snake, Snake''', summing up the audience's reaction in [[TheStinger the final line of the game]]'''
game]]

-->''"We were ''supposed'' to feel fooled and betrayed by Kojima. This should be obvious from playing the game and studying its constant themes of layered deception, but history has proven that most people never got the joke or appreciated his sly attempt at making (what matches his own definition of) art. Postmodernism has that effect... If so, then perhaps the universal backlash he received was enough to convince him that games [[ArtistDisillusionment could not be art after all]], hence his answer in ''[an]'' interview."''
--->--'''Terry Wolf''', [[http://metagearsolid.org/reports_fromnothing3.html "Deconstructing MGS2"]]



The main plot of ''[[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty]]'' (excusing the opening where Solid Snake fails to stop Revolver Ocelot from stealing Metal Gear RAY and gets framed for the whole mess) starts out fairly straightforwardly with the main character Raiden on a mission to rescue the President from a group of terrorists that have taken him hostage. Even the plot twists (that America is actually run by an Illuminati-like group called the Patriots, and that one of Raiden's allies is actually a legendary soldier named Solid Snake in disguise) were rather routine for a series known to have plenty, and heavily hinted at.

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The main plot of ''[[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty]]'' (excusing the opening where Solid Snake fails to stop Revolver Ocelot from stealing Metal Gear RAY and gets framed for the whole mess) starts out fairly straightforwardly with the main character Raiden on a mission to rescue the President from a group of terrorists that have taken him hostage. Even the plot twists (that America is actually run by an Illuminati-like group called the Patriots, and that one of Raiden's allies is actually a legendary soldier named Solid Snake in disguise) incognito) were rather routine for a series known to have plenty, and heavily hinted at.
16th Feb '14 2:48:48 AM alchixinren
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The plot of ''[[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty]]'' starts out fairly straightforwardly with the main character Raiden on a mission to rescue the President from a group of terrorists that have taken him hostage. Even the plot twists (that America is actually run by an Illuminati-like group called the Patriots, and that one of Raiden's allies is actually a legendary soldier named Solid Snake in disguise) were rather routine for a series known to have plenty, and heavily hinted at.

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The main plot of ''[[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty]]'' (excusing the opening where Solid Snake fails to stop Revolver Ocelot from stealing Metal Gear RAY and gets framed for the whole mess) starts out fairly straightforwardly with the main character Raiden on a mission to rescue the President from a group of terrorists that have taken him hostage. Even the plot twists (that America is actually run by an Illuminati-like group called the Patriots, and that one of Raiden's allies is actually a legendary soldier named Solid Snake in disguise) were rather routine for a series known to have plenty, and heavily hinted at.
24th Nov '13 9:50:42 AM universalperson
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''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots'' had the dubious honor of having to explain, {{retcon}}, and tie up all this confusion somehow--and the amazing (and arguably frightening) thing is that it ''did'', but just by the skin of its teeth (which frankly is a CrowningMomentOfAwesome in itself). However, it can be argued that this is also the reason as to why ''Metal Gear Solid 4'' had approximately ''nine hours of cutscenes''.

to:

''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots'' had the dubious honor of having to explain, {{retcon}}, and tie up all this confusion somehow--and the amazing (and arguably frightening) thing is that it ''did'', but just by the skin of its teeth (which frankly is a CrowningMomentOfAwesome in itself). However, it can be argued that this is also the reason as to why ''Metal Gear Solid 4'' had approximately ''nine hours of cutscenes''. \n In case you're wondering, [[spoiler: the AI's are just AI's [[AIIsACrapshoot that thought a bit too highly of themselves - and in the end, the Patriots weren't even controlling them anymore]]. The men dead for over a hundred years are actually from an earlier AncientConspiracy known as the Philosophers; the Patriots took over the American branch of the Philosophers and used the identities of it's founders as a cover. The actual Patriots turn out to be Big Boss and his partners from ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3SnakeEater'', but they had a falling out which caused Big Boss to turn against the group. In fact, two of the original Patriots were killed in ''Metal Gear Solid'', and by ''Metal Gear Solid 4'' the last one is little more than a vegetable; the AIs were running the group by this point. Ocelot turns out to be one of the original Patriots and although he pretended to be loyal to them, [[DoubleAgent he actually sided with Big Boss]]. Ocelot's possession by Liquid was part of a larger plan to fool the AIs and last member of the Patriots - and [[MindScrew at some point]] [[DoingInTheWizard Ocelot began faking he was possessed]]. (It's also suggested Ocelot's original possession was tied to his father being a spirit medium.) Oh, Rosemary is real, Vamp had a natural HealingFactor enhanced by nanomachines, and Fortune...actually we don't learn what happened with Fortune, but PsychicPowers do exist in this universe.]] Doesn't it all make sense now?
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