History SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute / VideoGames

9th Nov '17 4:28:50 PM TheMightyHeptagon
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** To a degree, Miranda Lawson and Jacob Taylor act as substitutes to Ashley Williams and Kaidan Alenko, who get relegated to a brief cameo in the second game [[spoiler: depending on which one survived the first game]]. Just like Ashley and Kaidan, they serve as Shepard's default squad-mates and possible human love interests (depending on Shepard's gender), one is a sassy human woman with a noticeable resentment of aliens, and the other is a loyal human man with a talent for biotics and a long history in the military. Note that they grow past their SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute status as they undergo CharacterDevelopment, and [[spoiler: either Kaidan or Ashley]] ultimately [[TheBusCameBack returns]] for a larger role in the third game.
18th Oct '17 5:42:27 AM Synchronicity
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* At the end of the GBA version of the first ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' game, Phoenix's assistant Maya leaves to undergo spiritual medium training; she returns in the next game. When a DS remake of the first game was released, they added an extra case to it -- but they couldn't bring Maya back, as one of the cases in the second game revolved around her reunion with Phoenix. So a new character, Ema Skye, became Phoenix's assistant for that one case. When the fourth game changed the entire cast (including Phoenix), Ema replaced [[SympatheticInspectorAntagonist Dick Gumshoe]] as the police detective who is routinely run into and switches between the main character's foil and friend.
** This has led to a series of recurring archetypes, though no two characters feel truly the same. Phoenix's successor Apollo is also a snarky, put-upon lawyer constantly at the mercy of strange witnesses. Apollo is much snarkier and more sensible, though is flustered more easily. When playing as Phoenix in the fifth game, Apollo is generally a lot more cheerful than when playing as him.
** Maya has also been replaced by Phoenix's adopted daughter Trucy, who is just as cheerful but more mature and not as mischevious than Maya.
** When Edgeworth got his own spinoff, he picked up a GenkiGirl assistant with a mysterious yet highly relevant past in the form of Kay Faraday.
** The fifth game gives us Athena Cykes, a rookie attorney whose courtroom style fits early Phoenix Wright to a T, while her personality is much closer to the GenkiGirl assistant role.
** Phoenix himself is a SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute to the young version of his mentor Mia Fey, and the older Phoenix from Apollo's game is rather similar to the older Mia from Phoenix's games.
** After Miles Edgeworth, a prickly, win-at-any-costs prosecutor with a tie to one of the heroes in the first game, he's replaced by his adoptive sister Franziska in the second game and the coffee-guzzling Godot in the third. Both are rather similar in temperament and tactics. Apollo's rival Klavier is the exception, as he's actually as laidback and nice as he seems, and has no beef with Apollo.
** In the fifth game things are back to form with prosecutor Simon Blackquill and detective Bobby Fulbright.
** The series-opening prosecutor Winston Payne has been replaced by his brother Gaspen Payne and his English counterpart Prosecutor Flynch in ''ProfessorLaytonVsAceAttorney''.
** The Judge, likewise, has been replaced by his Canadian brother and ''ProfessorLaytonVsAceAttorney'' introduced his English counterpart and the Labyrinthian Judge. Taken another step further with the Khura'in Judge in ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneySpiritOfJustice'' who is an offshoot of the original Judge, but is less likely to get intimated and is more fair to the defense when they have proven their theories.

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* At the end of the GBA version of the first Over time, ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' game, Phoenix's developed a series of recurring character archetypes, although no two characters truly feel the same.
** In the beginning, the protagonist was Phoenix Wright, snarky, put-upon lawyer constantly at the mercy of strange witnesses. Apollo started out as Phoenix but more impulsive and hot-blooded, though he eventually [[DivergentCharacterEvolution diverges]] into his own character. The fifth game gives us Athena Cykes, a rookie attorney whose courtroom style fits early Phoenix Wright to a T, while her personality is much closer to the GenkiGirl
assistant role.
** Phoenix had a young, [[GenkiGirl cheerful]], [[PluckyGirl plucky]] female assistant with a mysterious and highly relevant familial history in the form of Maya. This was enforced with the updated rerelease of the first game[[note]]At the end of the GBA version of the first game,
Maya leaves to undergo spiritual medium training; she returns in the next game. When a DS remake of the first game was released, they added an extra case to it -- but they couldn't bring Maya back, as one of the cases in the second game revolved around her reunion with Phoenix. So a new character, Phoenix[[/note]], which introduced Ema Skye, became Phoenix's assistant who deliberately shares a lot of personality, design, and story beats with Maya. Later, Trucy and Kay filled this role for that one case. When Apollo and Edgeworth respectively.
** Franziska was this to Edgeworth when first introduced -- like him, she's a prickly, win-at-all-costs prosecutor. (Actually justified in her case, since they were raised and trained by
the fourth game changed the entire cast (including Phoenix), Ema replaced [[SympatheticInspectorAntagonist Dick Gumshoe]] as the police detective who is routinely run into same man.) The succeeding prosecutors, though following ContrastingSequelAntagonist in design, all tend to be obstructive, condescending, and switches between have with a personal tie to the main character's foil and friend.
** This has led to a series of recurring archetypes, though no two
characters feel truly the same. Phoenix's successor Apollo is also a snarky, put-upon lawyer constantly at the mercy of strange witnesses. Apollo is much snarkier and more sensible, though is flustered more easily. When playing as Phoenix in the fifth game, Apollo is generally a lot more cheerful than when playing as him.
** Maya has also been replaced by Phoenix's adopted daughter Trucy, who is just as cheerful but more mature and not as mischevious than Maya.
** When Edgeworth got his own spinoff, he picked up a GenkiGirl assistant with a mysterious yet highly relevant past in the form of Kay Faraday.
** The fifth game gives us Athena Cykes, a rookie attorney whose courtroom style fits early Phoenix Wright to a T, while her personality is much closer to the GenkiGirl assistant role.
** Phoenix himself is a SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute to the young version of his mentor Mia Fey, and the older Phoenix from Apollo's game is rather similar to the older Mia from Phoenix's games.
** After Miles Edgeworth, a prickly, win-at-any-costs prosecutor with a tie to one of the heroes in the first game, he's replaced by his adoptive sister Franziska in the second game and the coffee-guzzling Godot in the third. Both are rather similar in temperament and tactics. Apollo's rival Klavier
(Klavier is the exception, as he's actually as laidback and nice as he seems, and has no beef with Apollo.
** In the fifth game things are back to form with prosecutor Simon Blackquill and detective Bobby Fulbright.
exception).
** The series-opening prosecutor Winston Payne has been replaced by his brother Gaspen Payne and his English counterpart Prosecutor Flynch in ''ProfessorLaytonVsAceAttorney''.
''VideoGame/ProfessorLaytonVsAceAttorney''. All three are spineless and pathetic warm-up bosses.
** The Judge, likewise, has been replaced by his Canadian brother and ''ProfessorLaytonVsAceAttorney'' ''VideoGame/ProfessorLaytonVsAceAttorney'' introduced his English counterpart and the Labyrinthian Judge. Taken another step further with the Khura'in Judge in ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneySpiritOfJustice'' who is an offshoot of the original Judge, but is less likely to get intimated and is more fair to the defense when they have proven their theories.
13th Oct '17 4:33:09 PM TheWarioBros
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** The Broodals from ''VideoGame/SuperMarioOdyssey'' are a lot like the Koopalings from the past games, with similar designs and attack patterns (albeit replacing the shell ducking part with them ducking into their hats). They're also a lot like Boom Boom and Pom Pom, who play similar mini boss roles.
17th Aug '17 10:08:22 PM KandC
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* ''VideoGame/GoldenSun'': The second game begins with the characters the previous game had been pursuing. While their personalities are different, their classes are functionally identical- Isaac and Felix are both Squires, Ivan and Sheba are both Seers. And in the third game, the tradition continues with Matthew and Tyrell, who take their respective fathers' classes (Isaac and Garet).

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* ''VideoGame/GoldenSun'': The second game begins with the characters the previous game had been pursuing. While their personalities are different, their classes are functionally identical- Isaac and Felix are both Squires, Ivan and Sheba are both Seers. However, their weapon choices are a little different, as Jenna has Ivan's staves and light swords while Sheba takes Mia's staves and maces and Piers goes for the heavy weapons Isaac, Garet, and Felix all use. And in the third game, the tradition continues with Matthew and Tyrell, who take their respective fathers' classes (Isaac and Garet).
17th Aug '17 9:46:26 PM wingedcatgirl
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* According to WordOfGod, Roxas from ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'' was made one of these on purpose in ''358/2 days'', due to worries that people might be uncomfortable playing through the whole game with a character who plays too differently from Sora. So his stats, abilities, and magical capabilities were Sora-fied. This, however, is justified, since Roxas and Sora are essentially the same person anyway.

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* ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'':
** Namine in ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsChainOfMemories Chain of Memories]]'' is remarkably similar to Kairi, even down to the ThemeNaming ("nami" and "kai" both mean sea-related things). And, disturbingly, seems to be replacing her over the course of the game even in Sora's memories, despite [[RememberTheNewGuy having never been mentioned before]]. This all turns out to be part of the Organization's evil plot, and Namine's similarity to Kairi is because she's Kairi's Nobody.
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According to WordOfGod, Roxas from ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'' was made one of these on purpose in ''358/2 days'', ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHearts358DaysOver2 358/2 days]]'', due to worries that people might be uncomfortable playing through the whole game with a character who plays too differently from Sora. So his stats, abilities, and magical capabilities were Sora-fied. This, however, is justified, since Roxas and Sora are essentially the same person anyway.also turns out to be Sora's Nobody, which players of ''Chain of Memories'' might have seen coming.
8th Jul '17 5:47:28 PM nombretomado
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** WordOfGod and TheOtherWiki [[MyNameIsNotShazam says Ruf is not a tuner, but a fully-fledged carmaker and is recognized as the latter by the German government]]. So far, the only RUF cars that are not based on Porsches are the series production [=CTR3=] and the [[SuperPrototype R50 concept car]].

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** WordOfGod and TheOtherWiki Wiki/TheOtherWiki [[MyNameIsNotShazam says Ruf is not a tuner, but a fully-fledged carmaker and is recognized as the latter by the German government]]. So far, the only RUF cars that are not based on Porsches are the series production [=CTR3=] and the [[SuperPrototype R50 concept car]].
3rd Jul '17 10:03:57 AM Prometheus117
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** In the ''VideoGame/SonicStorybookSeries'', Merlina from ''Sonic and the Black Knight'' fills a similar role to Shahra from ''Sonic and the Secret Rings'', both being young women with magical powers that brought Sonic into their respective worlds to defeat an evil force, and even serve as a guide of sorts. [[spoiler:Then it becomes subverted with TheReveal that Merlina is the ''real'' BigBad, albeit of [[AntiVillain understandable motives]].]]
26th Jun '17 2:19:39 PM MinisterOfSinister
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** Because [[MechanicalLifeforms the Geth]] don't play nearly as big a role in ''Mass Effect 2''--and they undergo CharacterDevelopment to make them seem much less villainous--the various enemy factions' [[MechaMooks "mech" units]] end up filling their old roles as disposable robotic adversaries. The weak LOKI mechs are analogous to the basic Geth troopers, the quick quadrupedal FENRIR mechs are analogous to Geth Stalkers, and the giant lumbering YMIR mechs are analogous to Geth Primes.

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** Because [[MechanicalLifeforms the Geth]] don't play nearly as big a role in ''Mass Effect 2''--and 2'' -- and they undergo CharacterDevelopment to make them seem much less villainous--the villainous -- the various enemy factions' [[MechaMooks "mech" units]] end up filling their old roles as disposable robotic adversaries. The weak LOKI mechs are analogous to the basic Geth troopers, the quick quadrupedal FENRIR mechs are analogous to Geth Stalkers, and the giant lumbering YMIR mechs are analogous to Geth Primes.Primes.
** Similarly, the plot of the first game wrapped up the story appearances of [[BugWar the rachni]], so a random, generic species called the Klixen suddenly showed up in the sequel, being this to Rachni Soldiers (albeit mostly mechanically; you'd never think they were the same species if you got a good look at them side by side). In fact, during Grunt's RiteOfPassage the Klixen are used during the segment that represents the Rachni Wars as convenient stand-ins.
10th Jun '17 8:47:14 AM mario0987
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** Pewee Piranha and Digga Legg from ''VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy2'' are suspiciously similar substitutes to Dino Piranha and Megaleg from the original ''VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy''. The former is even found in the same general point in the game as the latter, and defeated in nearly the same way. Also, the Topmen from Galaxy are the same thing as the Bullies from ''VideoGame/SuperMario64'', both being enemies defeated by being pushed off the edge of the platform. They even both have nearly the same boss battles in the ''VideoGame/MarioKart'' series!
** The first two partners in ''VideoGame/PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor'', Goombella and Koops, are similar at first to the first two in the original ''Paper Mario'', Goombario and Kooper, having the same attacks and abilities- except upgraded. Also, unlike Kooper, Koops actually has a ''personality''. After that though, the partners are all new, although [[spoiler: Admiral Bobbery has the same abilities as Bombette (who is also a Bob-Omb) and Vivian's field ability is functionally identical to Bow's]].

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** Pewee Piranha and Digga Legg from ''VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy2'' are suspiciously similar substitutes to Dino Piranha and Megaleg from the original ''VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy''. The former is even found in the same general point in the game as the latter, and defeated in nearly the same way. Dino Piranha and Peewee Piranha are also similar to Petey Piranha in ''VideoGame/SuperMarioSunshine'' being Piranha Plants acting as the first main boss of the game. Also, the Topmen from Galaxy are the same thing as the Bullies from ''VideoGame/SuperMario64'', both being enemies defeated by being pushed off the edge of the platform. They even both have nearly the same boss battles in the ''VideoGame/MarioKart'' series!
** The first two partners in ''VideoGame/PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor'', Goombella and Koops, are similar at first to ''VideoGame/PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor'' have many of the first two same abilities as the ones in the original ''Paper Mario'', game. Goombella and Koops have the same attacks and field abilities as Goombario and Kooper, having the same attacks and abilities- except upgraded. Also, unlike Kooper, Koops actually has a ''personality''. After that though, the partners are all new, although [[spoiler: Admiral Bobbery has the same abilities field ability as Bombette (who is also a Bob-Omb) and Vivian's Vivian and the baby Yoshi's field ability is abilities are functionally identical to Bow's]].Bow and Parrykarry's respectively. Ms Mowz has similar hunting and defence piercing abilities as Watt but are less powerful while Flurrie is the only one with a unique field move but all of her attacks are the same as Lakilester's. Personality wise they are all different, though Vivian and Lakilester both betray the BigBad to join Mario.
4th Jun '17 6:44:48 AM Ominae
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** It's worth mentioning that when ''Soulcalibur'' was in development, Creator/{{Namco|Bandai}} wished to completely overhaul the roster and only include a couple of characters from ''Soul Edge/Blade''. Eventually, however, all the characters barring Li Long and Han Myong (Seong Mi-na's father) returned for the home version (Soul Edge was renamed Inferno). Li Long returned later anyway. As a result some of the characters in ''Soulcalibur'' start off closer to clone characters than they are originally (Kilik, Astaroth, etc.) but end up becoming different later on.

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** It's worth mentioning that when ''Soulcalibur'' was in development, Creator/{{Namco|Bandai}} Creator/BandaiNamcoEntertainment wished to completely overhaul the roster and only include a couple of characters from ''Soul Edge/Blade''. Eventually, however, all the characters barring Li Long and Han Myong (Seong Mi-na's father) returned for the home version (Soul Edge was renamed Inferno). Li Long returned later anyway. As a result some of the characters in ''Soulcalibur'' start off closer to clone characters than they are originally (Kilik, Astaroth, etc.) but end up becoming different later on.
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