History SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped / WesternAnimation

20th Jul '16 2:32:35 PM Fourze99
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* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' presents a sad, but true, one with "Summerween": at some point, the world is going to tell you that you're too old for things like Halloween and trick-or-treating, so it's better to enjoy it while you can than spend time worrying about what older kids think of it.

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* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' presents a ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'', among other things, is known for the lessons it ''will'' drop hard when it needs to be said.
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sad, but true, one is presented with "Summerween": at some point, the world is going to tell you that you're too old for things like Halloween and trick-or-treating, so it's better to enjoy it while you can than spend time worrying about what older kids think of it.


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** No matter how unlikely it may seem, if you can truly get to and understand them, there will be opportunities for you to bury the hatchet with former enemies. Pacifica was able to befriend Dipper and Mable after spending time with them and letting them know about her, [[spoiler: Ford and Stan were able to rekindle their friendship after talking with each other and realizing they had let their anger go too far, and Gideon [[HazyFaceTurn (To an extent)]] has realized what he's done and decided to try and become a better person.]]
13th Jul '16 1:03:01 PM kquinn0830
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* ''SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped/SouthPark''



* ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' is fantastic for not only having {{Anvilicious}} episodes, but having that {{Anvilicious}}ness most often being completely justified and absurdly hilarious at the same time. Sometimes they remind celebrities that their egos are outstripping their talents (if they were ever talented to start with) or that they have gone too far (''Free Hat'', ''Fat Butt and Pancake Head'', ''The Biggest Douche in the Universe'', ''Stupid Spoiled Whore Video Playset'', ''The China Probrem'', and ''Fishsticks''), how absurd some trends are (''South Park Is Gay!'', ''Stupid Spoiled Whore Video Playset''[[note]] This episode also has the aesop that parents need to teach their children who are good role models so they don't follow the path of horrible people. [[/note]], ''Chinpokomon'', and ''Smug Alert!''), or just how crazy humanity is and has become as a whole (''Freak Strike'', ''I'm a Little Bit Country'', ''Butt Out'', ''Douche and Turd'', ''Follow That Egg!'', ''Britney's New Look''[[note]]It also carries the Aesop of "Celebrities are people too, and shouldn't be pushed around and mocked just because their lives aren't going so well."[[/note]], and ''The Ring'').
** The two-parter ''Cartoon Wars'' with the message that potential terrorism is just as bad as active terrorism.
** The episode "Trapped In The Closet," and the views of the destructiveness and nonsense of Scientology. They were willing to alienate a long-time cast member and fan favorite to get the message out. Although Isaac Hayes didn't want to leave the cast; he was pressured into it by Scientology and was in tears when he went to Matt and Trey to break the news. He had enough of a sense of humor to say "they've done that to every religion"; Scientology did not.
** There's also [[WesternAnimation/SouthParkBiggerLongerAndUncut the movie]], where 139 F-bombs are ''just about'' enough to remind people that there are far worse things in the world than swearing - a message that ties in nicely with ''It Hits The Fan'', which shows that some swear words become completely meaningless if you use them repeatedly and should be curbed as they aren't suitable for everyday conversation. Especially since, ironically, when the movie came out, a lot of people were complaining about it, and they acted akin to Kyle's mom (minus the whole war thing). Trey Parker and Matt Stone aren't bad at predicting the behavior of MoralGuardians. It, amidst all the uncensored swearing, also has a few big ones: violence can be just as bad as swearing, and the "blame the media for your children's bad behavior and lobby to censor it" approach to taming unruly kids is a ''very bad idea.''
** The episode "Butterballs", illustrates that ''anyone'' (including family members, people trying to stop them, [[RefugeInAudacity and Jesus Christ Himself]]) can be a bully.
*** Also anti-bullying messages won't stop the bullies or make them see the error of their ways.
*** While bullying itself is bad, exploiting it for fame and fortune is even worse.
** The two-part episode "Go God Go" (the one where Ms. Garrison is forced to teach evolution in school while Cartman freezes himself so he can be around to get the Nintendo Wii) has a rather dark yet necessary moral in response to UsefulNotes/RichardDawkins and the belief touted by some [[VocalMinority vocal agnostic atheists]]: removing religion will not stop conflicts or end the world's problems. And if we did get rid of religion, we would still have those problems, but use something else as an excuse to justify them. This is exemplified by "The Great Question" of the atheists, which is "what should the atheists group call itself?" Ironically, since that episode Dawkins and many other members of the "New Atheism" have become even more controversial and intolerant with their statements (such as Dawkins claiming Islam was the world's greatest force for evil [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch even while admitting he's never read a Koran]] and that atheists should be intolerant towards religion and persecute religious people), to the point that a lot of atheists don't like being associated with them (similar to how some theists in real life view their more extremist counterparts).
*** A moral that isn't given as much attention from that story but is still there is that it isn't fine being religiously intolerant (as in, blind intolerance to the concept of religion itself and the very state of being a theist, not intolerance towards harmful religious dogmas) even if you're not religious, as shown when some [[ItMakesSenseInContext atheist Otters murder a wise old Otter]] just for saying that maybe religion isn't all bad.
** "An Elephant Makes Love To A Pig" challenges the DoubleStandard by showing the others making fun of Stan for getting beat up by his sister, then showing how bad it is. Seeing that Trey Parker had that experience with his own sister, it's a very well-played (if frightening) moral.
** Also, TheMovie and its predecessor "Death" show that parents should spend more time with their kids and stop going on senseless attempts to sanitize the world.
** Also, TheMovie and a few other episodes show that there are ''much worse'' things in the world then swearing.
** "Miss Teacher Bangs A Boy" shows that student-teacher relationships are ''not okay'' no matter how attractive the teacher is, or if the [[DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale genders are reversed]]. It also shows that teachers in those kind of relationships usually aren't right in the head to begin with. The genders abuse is still very relevant today.
** "My Future Self and Me": Be honest with your kids, especially when it comes to talking about the dangers of doing drugs.
** "Conjoined Fetus Lady" has a rather nice anvil about how people with handicaps or physical deformities shouldn't be put on a pedestal to be worshiped, as the attention makes them more of an outcast than the actual deformity.
** "All About Mormons" teaches that while religions may have some crazy beliefs that do not make sense, they still promote good values that everybody should live by such as be kind to others and help those in need.
*** In fact, most of the show's episodes on religion focus around a central theme: seeing the proverbial forest for the trees. Religion, at its core, is about being a good person by promoting virtues like generosity, selflessnes and altruism, and that's what you should be focusing on, rather that minute details of your religion's canon.
** "Butt Out": Even noble, "good" causes can have horrible people working for them and using them for their own gain. Also, people who smoke are not inherently evil.
** Also it and a few other episodes show that people should really stop blaming corporations for everything.
** A more subtle one in "Raising The Bar" is that even through obesity is unhealthy and something must be done about it, it's still wrong to mock and dehumanize people suffering from it.
** Butters' rant in "Cartman Sucks" to the counselors at a "Pray the gay away"-style camp about how bicurious people aren't a blight in God's eyes was one that ''really'' needed dropping.
** "Cripple Fight" Big Gay Al's speech to the community about forcing people to accept homosexuality is not the right way, but educating people about it is. Freedom is a two-way street and if you're allowed to express yourself then others should be too no matter how wrong you believe they are.
*** Another Aesop in "Cripple Fight" that needed dropping was, "Being gay is not the same as being a pedophile, as not all homosexual men prey on little boys."
** "The Death Camp of Tolerance" has Mr. Garrison's speech that being overtolerant is just as bad as being intolerant. He also mentions that some groups you tolerate can still piss you off and that people shouldn't preach about tolerance, but instead preach acceptance.
*** A briefly touched upon aesop in said speech is that there are some things that are absolutely unacceptable no matter who is doing it.
** "Proper Condom Use": Children (when they're ready) need good sexual education from adults they can trust, and that sex education in schools is only a good idea if you have teachers that actually know what they're talking about, won't use scare tactics to frighten students, and isn't a depraved pervert who shouldn't be around kids in the first place.
** The "Black Friday" trilogy shows us that the consumer-driven madness of Black Friday is completely senseless and stupid. This lesson hits home at the end of the third part, which cuts from animated shoppers killing each other to live-action footage from actual Black Fridays.
*** Another one is that the console wars are ultimately pointless and stupid.
** "The Tale of Scrotie [=McBoogerballs=]": Sometimes an anvil is only in the imagination of the beholder.
** "La Petit Tourette": Just because you ''can'' say whatever you want doesn't mean you ''should''. The things you say publicly can come back to bite you.
** In the "Imaginationland" trilogy, the terrorists managed to get into Imaginationland because we've become so paranoid over terrorist attacks, we're basically allowing them to come in and take over our imaginations. In short, don't let fear control your life.
** "Freemium Isn't Free" drops the huge one about people playing free games but still paying money just to progress in those games and how people are addicted to games like this.
** "Ginger Kids" shows the dangers of abusing free speech to marginalise minority groups. This is a big one considering Matt and Trey are Freedom of Speech advocates.
** "Chef Goes Nanners" that even in noble causes extremism on either end is unhealthy and can result in doing bad things you never meant to do
** "Stunning and Brave" shows that forcing and intimidating people into having a closed mind and that, once again, extremism can lead to toxic behavior.
*** Also how excessive political correctness ultimately stifles free speech, especially since not every instance of political incorrectness is done out of malice.
*** Thirdly, "praising someone simply for being part of an oppressed group as opposed to their actions is misguided at best, and harmful at worst".
** "Where My Country Gone?" exposes the dangers of giving political power to the loudest voice over the quiet but competent.
** "Safe Space" challenges the idea of safe spaces by showing that they the only thing they do is inflate people's egos and prevent them from being able to take constructive criticism, that people need to stand and fight their own battles and ultimately that there are more serious issues to be dealt with than people calling you names.
** "PC Principal: Final Justice" shows how gun ownership doesn't automatically make you strong, since everyone around you can also own a gun. In every instance where two or more people pull guns on each other, they manage to work through their issues not with threats of violence, but by listening and reflecting on how they could improve themselves.
*** Another important anvil (which could be applied to the season as a whole) is that while fighting for social justice can be a good thing, that doesn't make every PC/left-leaning person a moral paragon. There will always be people that either stumble in without knowing all the facts or just want to social justice as a tool for their own selfishness and you have to stand up to them as much as any societal ill.
** Several episodes such as "Fat Camp" and "Die Hippie Die" have taught that if you want something to change you need to take the initiative to make it happen rather than just sitting around expecting it to happen
8th Jul '16 7:53:22 PM Kitschensyngk
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* The ''WesternAnimation/ChinaIL'' episode "Total Validation" gives a particularly twisted take on couples therapy clinics, but does deliver a decent message that love is not without compromise and that relationships where one person is designated "right" and the other "wrong" are not good for either person.

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* The ''WesternAnimation/ChinaIL'' episode "Total Validation" gives a particularly twisted take on couples therapy clinics, but does deliver a decent message conclude that love is not without compromise and that relationships where one person is designated "right" and the other "wrong" are not good for either person.
2nd Jul '16 7:52:01 PM Kitschensyngk
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* The ''WesternAnimation/ChinaIL'' episode "Total Validation" gives a particularly twisted take on couples therapy clinics, but does deliver a decent message that love is not without compromise and that relationships where one person is designated right and the other wrong are not good for either.

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* The ''WesternAnimation/ChinaIL'' episode "Total Validation" gives a particularly twisted take on couples therapy clinics, but does deliver a decent message that love is not without compromise and that relationships where one person is designated right "right" and the other wrong "wrong" are not good for either.either person.
2nd Jul '16 7:39:15 PM Kitschensyngk
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** In another episode, "Bi-Topping-Ality", the Mayor's refusal to sell anchovy pizza at his Church of Pizza restaurant sparks a controversy quite similar to the gay marriage debate that was going on in America at the time. After the Mayor finally decides to arrest all the anchovy eaters in town, Baby Cakes, who has spent the whole episode curious about the forbidden topping, explains that people should be free to make their own choices and be who they are.

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** In another episode, "Bi-Topping-Ality", the Mayor's refusal to sell anchovy pizza at his Church of Pizza restaurant sparks a controversy quite similar to the gay marriage debate that was going on in America at the time. After the Mayor finally decides to arrest all the anchovy eaters in town, Baby Cakes, who has spent the whole episode curious about the forbidden topping, explains that people should be free to make their own choices choices, live their own lives, and be who they are.



-->'''Baby Cakes:''' So, I'm 95% of the time a pepperoni guy, but some days, I see an anchovy, and I want him in my mouth. And it's that freedom of choice that we need to protect, not science. Science is dumb.

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-->'''Baby Cakes:''' So, I'm 95% of the time a pepperoni guy, but some days, days I see an anchovy, anchovy and I want him in my mouth. And it's that freedom of choice that we need to protect, not science. Science is dumb.
1st Jul '16 11:16:31 PM Kartoonkid95
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* ''WesternAnimation/BobsBurgers''
** "The Equestrianauts": Don't let a few bad apples sully a generally righteous group's core beliefs.
1st Jul '16 9:30:31 PM Kitschensyngk
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** In another episode, "Bi-Topping-Ality", the Mayor's refusal to sell anchovy pizza at his Church of Pizza restaurant sparks a controversy quite similar to the gay marriage debate that was going on in America at the time. After the Mayor finally decides to arrest all the anchovy eaters in town, Baby Cakes, who has spent the whole episode curious about the forbidden topping, drops the anvil with a speech about tolerance and accepting people for who they are.

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** In another episode, "Bi-Topping-Ality", the Mayor's refusal to sell anchovy pizza at his Church of Pizza restaurant sparks a controversy quite similar to the gay marriage debate that was going on in America at the time. After the Mayor finally decides to arrest all the anchovy eaters in town, Baby Cakes, who has spent the whole episode curious about the forbidden topping, drops the anvil with a speech about tolerance and accepting explains that people for should be free to make their own choices and be who they are.are.
-->'''Baby Cakes:''' Who cares why people choose stuff? Maybe DNA, maybe not. Maybe you just want to be someone else for a day. What I mean is -- all right, here's a metaphor. If a guy chooses to marry another guy, he should be able to, right?
-->'''Mayor:''' Well, of course. right.
-->'''Baby Cakes:''' So, I'm 95% of the time a pepperoni guy, but some days, I see an anchovy, and I want him in my mouth. And it's that freedom of choice that we need to protect, not science. Science is dumb.



* ''WesternAnimation/DuckTales'': The episode ''[[Recap/DuckTalesBlueCollarScrooge Blue Collar Scrooge]]'' is not subtle at all about its themes of relation between workers and bosses, and the workers' rights. But its themes are [[ValuesResonance important to this day]].

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* ''WesternAnimation/DuckTales'': ''WesternAnimation/DuckTales''': The episode ''[[Recap/DuckTalesBlueCollarScrooge Blue Collar Scrooge]]'' is not subtle at all about its themes of relation between workers and bosses, and the workers' rights. But its themes are [[ValuesResonance important to this day]].
1st Jul '16 9:20:18 PM Kitschensyngk
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* The ''WesternAnimation/ChinaIL'' episode "Total Validation" gives a particularly twisted take on couples therapy clinics, but does deliver a decent message that love is not without compromise and that relationships where one person is designated right and the other wrong are not good for either.
** In another episode, "Bi-Topping-Ality", the Mayor's refusal to sell anchovy pizza at his Church of Pizza restaurant sparks a controversy quite similar to the gay marriage debate that was going on in America at the time. After the Mayor finally decides to arrest all the anchovy eaters in town, Baby Cakes, who has spent the whole episode curious about the forbidden topping, drops the anvil with a speech about tolerance and accepting people for who they are.
27th Jun '16 10:36:33 AM ShorinBJ
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-->'''Goliath:''' No! Killing her (Demona) won't solve anything! Death never does!\\

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-->'''Goliath:''' No! Killing her (Demona) [Demona] won't solve anything! Death never does!\\



* ''WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2003'' had it's fourth season with Leonardo becoming more brooding and prone to anger due to the near death battle with the Utrom Shredder in the season 3 finale. For those episodes, he was prone to treating his brothers stricter and would scold them for clowning around or not taking their fights seriously. In the episode "The Ancient One" during a training match, his growing anger at not getting better caused him to hurt Splinter, finally breaking him out of this. This was the first aesop, deal with your problems instead of ignoring help, which he did when Usagi tried to talk to him the previous episode, or else your anger will cause you to hurt people you care about. Being sent to the Ancient One during a very Empire Strikes Back like adventure with the Ancient One as Yoda, Leo also learned that failure isn't always a bad thing as once can learn from it and grow stronger. Being obsessed with perfection and avoiding failure can make you your own worst enemy.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2003'' had it's its fourth season with Leonardo becoming more brooding and prone to anger due to the near death battle with the Utrom Shredder in the season 3 finale. For those episodes, he was prone to treating his brothers stricter more strictly and would scold them for clowning around or not taking their fights seriously. In the episode "The Ancient One" during a training match, his growing anger at not getting better caused him to hurt Splinter, finally breaking him out of this. This was the first aesop, deal with your problems instead of ignoring help, which he did when Usagi tried to talk to him the previous episode, or else your anger will cause you to hurt people you care about. Being sent to the Ancient One during a very Empire Strikes Back like adventure with the Ancient One as Yoda, Leo also learned that failure isn't always a bad thing as once can learn from it and grow stronger. Being obsessed with perfection and avoiding failure can make you your own worst enemy.
24th Jun '16 9:51:14 AM KamenRiderKrypton
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** The two-part episode "Go God Go" (the one where Ms. Garrison is forced to teach evolution in school while Cartman freezes himself so he can be around to get the Nintendo Wii) has a rather dark yet necessary moral in response to UsefulNotes/RichardDawkins and the belief touted by some [[VocalMinority vocal gnostic atheists]]: removing religion will not stop conflicts or end the world's problems. And if we did get rid of religion, we would still have those problems, but use something else as an excuse to justify them. This is exemplified by "The Great Question" of the atheists, which is "what should the atheists group call itself?" Ironically, since that episode Dawkins and many other members of the "New Atheism" have become even more controversial and intolerant with their statements (such as Dawkins claiming Islam was the world's greatest force for evil [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch even while admitting he's never read a Koran]] and that atheists should be intolerant towards religion and persecute religious people), to the point that a lot of atheists don't like being associated with them (similar to how some theists in real life view their more extremist counterparts).

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** The two-part episode "Go God Go" (the one where Ms. Garrison is forced to teach evolution in school while Cartman freezes himself so he can be around to get the Nintendo Wii) has a rather dark yet necessary moral in response to UsefulNotes/RichardDawkins and the belief touted by some [[VocalMinority vocal gnostic agnostic atheists]]: removing religion will not stop conflicts or end the world's problems. And if we did get rid of religion, we would still have those problems, but use something else as an excuse to justify them. This is exemplified by "The Great Question" of the atheists, which is "what should the atheists group call itself?" Ironically, since that episode Dawkins and many other members of the "New Atheism" have become even more controversial and intolerant with their statements (such as Dawkins claiming Islam was the world's greatest force for evil [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch even while admitting he's never read a Koran]] and that atheists should be intolerant towards religion and persecute religious people), to the point that a lot of atheists don't like being associated with them (similar to how some theists in real life view their more extremist counterparts).
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