History SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped / LiveActionTV

23rd Jul '17 1:50:19 AM Jdb1984
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*** "[[{{Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS06E02RocksAndShoals}} Rocks and Shoals]]" from a season earlier. WarIsHell because despite all the politics, when it boils down to it, the men on the battlefield are often loyal honorable soldiers you would be glad to call your ally... if they weren't forced to be your enemy.

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*** ** "The Ship" had a final body count of 5 humans, 3 Jem-Adar, and 1 Changeling. And most of them could have been avoided if Sisco and the Founder were just honest and upfront with each other.
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"[[{{Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS06E02RocksAndShoals}} Rocks and Shoals]]" from a season earlier. WarIsHell because despite all the politics, when it boils down to it, the men on the battlefield are often loyal honorable soldiers you would be glad to call your ally... if they weren't forced to be your enemy.
13th Jul '17 12:23:39 AM calufrax
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** The Australian series {{Series/Cleverman}} is not very subtle drawing parallels between treatment of the fictional Hairypeople, and how aboriginal peoples were historically treated. The series starts with the Hairies officially being referred to as Subhumans, despite being stronger, faster, and longer lived than (regular) humans. Second season sees the start of an 'assimilation' program.
2nd Jul '17 3:13:49 PM JJHIL325
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** The aftermath of Poussey's death show two sides of the controversy surrounding race-based complaints with the justice system. On one hand, the business execs who own the prison don't allow Caputo to call the police and leave the body there for hours all so they can come up with a good cover story to protect the prison's reputation, even attempting to find a photo of her that make her look like a thug or make her death look justifiable. It's not helped when the guards try to lie and say that she had a weapon and attacked first to protect the killer who is a fellow guard, and then the PR execs try to flip the script to make Poussey's killer (a perfectly nice kid who [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone is racked with suicidal guilt]]) look like a racist loose cannon. On the other hand, her death was a [[AccidentalMurder complete accident]] at the hands of a guard never got proper training and was just trying to restrain her while having to deal with Suzanne, who is having a violent freak out. Then, [[PoorCommunicationKills because of no one giving the inmates any information]] when they're trying to cover it up, the black inmates and most of the others assume it was cold blooded murder and Taystee overhears that Bayley is not getting punished for what he did, she starts a riot with the other inmates which ends up in a hostage situation and one of the guards in the situation is one of the good ones. Basically, the plot ends up showing how sometimes those highly publicized deaths of African-Americans at the hands of the police were really accidents and how easy it is to paint everyone in a position of power as the villain and let your emotion get the best of you.

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** The aftermath of Poussey's death show two sides of the controversy surrounding race-based complaints with the justice system. On one hand, the business execs who own the prison don't allow Caputo to call the police and leave the body there for hours all so they can come up with a good cover story to protect the prison's reputation, even attempting to find a photo of her that make her look like a thug or make her death look justifiable. It's not helped when the guards try to lie and say that she had a weapon and attacked first to protect the killer who is a fellow guard, and then the PR execs try to flip the script to make Poussey's killer (a perfectly nice kid who [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone is racked with suicidal guilt]]) look like a racist loose cannon. On the other hand, her death was a [[AccidentalMurder complete accident]] at the hands of a guard never got proper training and was just trying to restrain her while having to deal with Suzanne, who is having a violent freak out. Then, [[PoorCommunicationKills because of no one giving the inmates any information]] when they're trying to cover it up, the black inmates and most of the others assume it was cold blooded murder and Taystee overhears that Bayley is not getting punished for what he did, she starts a riot with the other inmates which ends up in a hostage situation and one of the guards in the situation is one of the good ones. Basically, the plot ends up showing how sometimes those highly publicized deaths of African-Americans at the hands of the police were really actually ''are'' accidents and how easy it is to paint everyone in a position of power as the villain and let your emotion get the best of you.
2nd Jul '17 2:56:30 PM JJHIL325
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* In the episode "Girl Fight' of the ''Series/TheGeorgeLopezShow'', deals with bullying. Carmen's ex-boyfriend calls her a slut, and she is being bullied by everybody. It would be Anvilicious, but by the end of the episode, Carmen is still being bullied, and has to be taken out of school. To this troper, it is a solid lesson on how damaging rumors can be, and how reputations can be easily broken. In the era of cyberbulling, it is especially important.

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* In the episode "Girl Fight' of the ''Series/TheGeorgeLopezShow'', deals with bullying. Carmen's ex-boyfriend calls her a slut, and she is being bullied by everybody. It would be Anvilicious, but by the end of the episode, Carmen is still being bullied, bullied and has to be taken out of school.switch schools despite the fact that her boyfriend admits that he lied about the rumor. To this troper, it is a solid lesson on how damaging rumors can be, and how reputations can be easily broken. In the era of cyberbulling, it is especially important.
28th Jun '17 1:10:02 PM KizunaTallis
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* ''Series/OrangeIsTheNewBlack'' is not at all subtle in its messages on the American prison system, but they're also very desperately necessary.
** Even though Litchfield is a playground compared to maximum-security prison (and this is without even including men's prisons, which are a nightmare), the show is clear that the prison system in general really needs to be reformed. However, it's also clear that there's no easy answers to the problem; bureaucracy can put a damper on any attempted reforms, well-meaning staff can't fix the problems they see, the public essentially doesn't care about prisoners, and even if reforms were put in place, it's hard to balance rights with the punishment that prisoners are there for.
*** Additionally, as noted in Season 3: Prisons cannot be run effectively and humanely on a for-profit basis.
** Noted in Piper Kerman's (the basis for series protagonist Piper Chapman) book and a running theme throughout the show: DrugsAreBad. No one in the series does drugs or is involved with the drug trade without some kind of consequence, to varying degrees of awfulness. It's the ones like Nicky who keep going back that you want to slap, but there is a lot of TruthInTelevision there, in that most addicts have a ''life long'' relationship with drugs.
** Some of the show's messages on the validity of different gender and sexual identities, and of different viewpoints in general, can be rather heavy-handed at times, but the fact that these are still issues after so many years means you can only be so subtle.
** Prison is no substitute for mental healthcare. Besides the obvious (see: Suzanne), Morello and Nicky are ''clearly'' more in need of psychiatric care than punishment, and quite a few others (particularly Lolly, whose story arc is ''brutal'') have pretty obvious psychological problems that simply go unaddressed.
** One of the main themes of season 4 is racism, and how pervasive and harmful it continues to be in society, with prison being no exception. The minority inmates (the Latin-American prisoners in particular) are singled out by the guards for frisking after Piper tips off Piscatella, and [[DoubleStandard the white inmates are completely above suspicion]] despite the fact that Piper herself had been running a criminal enterprise for a while before the guards got there. In the midst of worrying about the prisoners forming gangs, they completely ignore the creation of a white supremacist gang which frequently agitates and provokes the other prisoners.
** The aftermath of Poussey's death show two sides of the controversy surrounding race-based complaints with the justice system. On one hand, the business execs who own the prison don't allow Caputo to call the police and leave the body there for hours all so they can come up with a good cover story to protect the prison's reputation, even attempting to find a photo of her that make her look like a thug or make her death look justifiable. It's not helped when the guards try to lie and say that she had a weapon and attacked first to protect the killer who is a fellow guard, and then the PR execs try to flip the script to make Poussey's killer (a perfectly nice kid who [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone is racked with suicidal guilt]]) look like a racist loose cannon. On the other hand, her death was a [[AccidentalMurder complete accident]] at the hands of a guard never got proper training and was just trying to restrain her while having to deal with Suzanne, who is having a violent freak out. Then, [[PoorCommunicationKills because of no one giving the inmates any information]] when they're trying to cover it up, the black inmates and most of the others assume it was cold blooded murder and Taystee overhears that Bayley is not getting punished for what he did, she starts a riot with the other inmates which ends up in a hostage situation and one of the guards in the situation is one of the good ones. Basically, the plot ends up showing how sometimes those highly publicized deaths of African-Americans at the hands of the police were really accidents and how easy it is to paint everyone in a position of power as the villain and let your emotion get the best of you.
25th Jun '17 11:13:58 AM nombretomado
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* Series/WonderWoman, campy as it was, managed to drop one about the internment of Japanese-Americans during WorldWarTwo. The villain of the week was a Japanese man who was interned as a child, trying to take revenge on Wonder Woman in the belief she was responsible for his brother dying when they attempted to escape from the camp they were held in. While she had to stop him, Diana acknowledges that the internments were wrong. For some younger viewers, this might have been the first time they'd even heard of such camps.

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* Series/WonderWoman, campy as it was, managed to drop one about the internment of Japanese-Americans during WorldWarTwo.UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. The villain of the week was a Japanese man who was interned as a child, trying to take revenge on Wonder Woman in the belief she was responsible for his brother dying when they attempted to escape from the camp they were held in. While she had to stop him, Diana acknowledges that the internments were wrong. For some younger viewers, this might have been the first time they'd even heard of such camps.
23rd Jun '17 6:26:51 AM AmuckCricetine
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** Creator/NichelleNichols (Uhura) said to Gene Roddenberry (creator), "Star Trek is just [[AnAesop morality tales]]" and he replied, "Shhh, [[EverybodyKnewAlready don't tell anyone]]".

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** Creator/NichelleNichols (Uhura) said to Gene Roddenberry Creator/GeneRoddenberry (creator), "Star Trek is just [[AnAesop morality tales]]" and he replied, "Shhh, [[EverybodyKnewAlready don't tell anyone]]".



** The TNG two-part episode "Chain of Command" drops a massive anvil against [[ColdBloodedTorture the use of torture]]. It shows the experience of torture is so absolutely dehumanizing and horrific that it can break even the strongest person. People like to quote Picard's [[MemeticMutation "THERE! ARE! FOUR! LIGHTS!"]], but tend to forget that he said this ''after'' another Cardassian came in with orders for his release, and what he said to Troi after he was back on the ''Enterprise'':

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** The TNG two-part episode "Chain "[[{{Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS6E10ChainOfCommand}} Chain of Command" Command]]" drops a massive anvil against [[ColdBloodedTorture the use of torture]]. It shows the experience of torture is so absolutely dehumanizing and horrific that it can break even the strongest person. People like to quote Picard's [[MemeticMutation "THERE! ARE! FOUR! LIGHTS!"]], but tend to forget that he said this ''after'' another Cardassian came in with orders for his release, and what he said to Troi after he was back on the ''Enterprise'':



** TNG's "The Drumhead" culminates in a fantastic Main/PatrickStewartSpeech about the dangers of bypassing due process and personal liberties in the pursuit of justice.

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** TNG's "The Drumhead" "[[{{Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS4E21TheDrumhead}} The Drumhead]]" culminates in a fantastic Main/PatrickStewartSpeech about the dangers of bypassing due process and personal liberties in the pursuit of justice.



** TNG's "Tapestry": Don't be too regretful of your past. Through better or worse, it helped shape you into who you are today.

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** TNG's "Tapestry": "[[{{Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS6E14Tapestry}} Tapestry]]": Don't be too regretful of your past. Through better or worse, it helped shape you into who you are today.



** ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' has "Far Beyond the Stars", an absolute primal scream of an episode. It wants you to know that racism existed, racism still exists, and goddammit, ''this is important''. It's hard to call them wrong.

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** ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' has "Far "[[{{Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS06E13FarBeyondTheStars}} Far Beyond the Stars", Stars]]", an absolute primal scream of an episode. It wants you to know that racism existed, racism still exists, and goddammit, ''this is important''. It's hard to call them wrong.



** Series and episodes about the evils of war aren't unique, but [=DS9=] pulled no punches there either. "The Siege of AR-558" is a pure WarIsHell episode, and honestly it hits harder for being Star Trek given the optimistic tone as a whole of the series. And even within that there's Quark condemning humanity for falling into this state in the first place and then being forced to kill just to save himself and his nephew. It's a credit to Armin Shimerman that he was able to convey without saying anything through all that makeup that he wasn't any different and how much that horrified him.
*** "Rocks and Shoals" from a season earlier. WarIsHell because despite all the politics, when it boils down to it, the men on the battlefield are often loyal honorable soldiers you would be glad to call your ally... if they weren't forced to be your enemy.
** The TOS episode "The Omega Glory" is [[BrokenBase polarizing]], [[AmericansHateTingle particularly with international fans]], but it pulls no punches about how dangerous blind patriotism and nationalism can be.

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** Series and episodes about the evils of war aren't unique, but [=DS9=] pulled no punches there either. "The "[[{{Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS07E08TheSiegeOfAR558}} The Siege of AR-558" AR-558]]" is a pure WarIsHell episode, and honestly it hits harder for being Star Trek given the optimistic tone as a whole of the series. And even within that there's Quark condemning humanity for falling into this state in the first place and then being forced to kill just to save himself and his nephew. It's a credit to Armin Shimerman that he was able to convey without saying anything through all that makeup that he wasn't any different and how much that horrified him.
*** "Rocks "[[{{Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS06E02RocksAndShoals}} Rocks and Shoals" Shoals]]" from a season earlier. WarIsHell because despite all the politics, when it boils down to it, the men on the battlefield are often loyal honorable soldiers you would be glad to call your ally... if they weren't forced to be your enemy.
** The TOS episode "The "[[{{Recap/StarTrekS2E23TheOmegaGlory}} The Omega Glory" Glory]]" is [[BrokenBase polarizing]], [[AmericansHateTingle particularly with international fans]], but it pulls no punches about how dangerous blind patriotism and nationalism can be.
23rd Jun '17 6:17:13 AM AmuckCricetine
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** In the classic ''[[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries Star Trek: TOS]]'' episode "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield", Kirk and co. pick up the last two survivors of a wartorn planet. Bele is an extraterrestrial cop who has been pursuing Lokai for thousands of years. When a perplexed Kirk questions Bele for the reason of their intense racial hatred, Bele replies, "Isn't it obvious? Lokai is white on the right side. All his people are white on the right side." Not subtle at all, but in 1969, an anvil that needed to be dropped, and '''hard'''.
** "A Taste of Armageddon" drops three important anvils: First, WarIsHell, or more accurately, war is ''supposed'' to be hell, so that people will want to avoid it. Second, [[AssInAmbassador as annoying as diplomacy can be]], it is more preferable than waging war. And third, [[AMillionIsAStatistic handling war with detached intellectual coldness]] makes them easier to start and prolong, as [[ForeverWar the Vendikar-Eminiar "war" had lasted for]] ''[[ForeverWar 500 years]]'' before the ''Enterprise'' crew came along.

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** In the classic ''[[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries Star Trek: TOS]]'' episode "Let "[[{{Recap/StarTrekS3E15LetThatBeYourLastBattlefield}} Let That Be Your Last Battlefield", Battlefield]]", Kirk and co. pick up the last two survivors of a wartorn planet. Bele is an extraterrestrial cop who has been pursuing Lokai for thousands of years. When a perplexed Kirk questions Bele for the reason of their intense racial hatred, Bele replies, "Isn't it obvious? Lokai is white on the right side. All his people are white on the right side." Not subtle at all, but in 1969, an anvil that needed to be dropped, and '''hard'''.
** "A "[[{{Recap/StarTrekS1E23ATasteOfArmageddon}} A Taste of Armageddon" Armageddon]]" drops three important anvils: First, WarIsHell, or more accurately, war is ''supposed'' to be hell, so that people will want to avoid it. Second, [[AssInAmbassador as annoying as diplomacy can be]], it is more preferable than waging war. And third, [[AMillionIsAStatistic handling war with detached intellectual coldness]] makes them easier to start and prolong, as [[ForeverWar the Vendikar-Eminiar "war" had lasted for]] ''[[ForeverWar 500 years]]'' before the ''Enterprise'' crew came along.



** Similarly, there are only two usual reactions to the ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' episode "Who Watches The Watchers": You either love it or you hate it. No matter which side you choose, it will likely be because of the episode's morals: Religions should be disproven wherever possible. Controversial? Yes. But for those for whom it works, it ''only'' works because of the anvil.

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** Similarly, there are only two usual reactions to the ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' episode "Who " [[{{Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS3E4WhoWatchesTheWatchers}} Who Watches The Watchers": the Watchers]]": You either love it or you hate it. No matter which side you choose, it will likely be because of the episode's morals: Religions should be disproven wherever possible. Controversial? Yes. But for those for whom it works, it ''only'' works because of the anvil.



** Also the episode "The Measure of A Man", which puts [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman Data up in court to prove his rights as a sentient being]]. Having [[WhoopiEpiphanySpeech Whoopi Goldberg deliver the message as bartender Guinan]] makes this especially anvilicious. But extremely well done.

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** Also the episode "The "[[{{Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS2E9TheMeasureOfAMan}} The Measure of Of A Man", Man]]", which puts [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman Data up in court to prove his rights as a sentient being]]. Having [[WhoopiEpiphanySpeech Whoopi Goldberg deliver the message as bartender Guinan]] makes this especially anvilicious. But extremely well done.



** Another one from TNG is from 'The First Duty', about the importance of telling the truth:

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** Another one from TNG is from 'The "[[{{Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS5E19TheFirstDuty}} The First Duty', Duty]]", about the importance of telling the truth:



** "Muse" is basically a plea for understanding from the writers of the oft-criticized series ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'', showing how they're pulled between the desire to create meaningful works of art, the need to satisfy those paying their wages, and the demands of the audience for action and romance - all told through the point-of-view of a struggling poet on a primitive world trying to create a play from the logs of a crashed Voyager shuttlecraft.
** Nichelle Nichols (Uhura) said to Gene Roddenberry (creator), "Star Trek is just [[AnAesop morality tales]]" and he replied, "Shhh, [[EverybodyKnewAlready don't tell anyone]]".

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** "Muse" "[[{{Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS6E22Muse}} Muse]]" is basically a plea for understanding from the writers of the oft-criticized series ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'', showing how they're pulled between the desire to create meaningful works of art, the need to satisfy those paying their wages, and the demands of the audience for action and romance - all told through the point-of-view of a struggling poet on a primitive world trying to create a play from the logs of a crashed Voyager shuttlecraft.
** Nichelle Nichols Creator/NichelleNichols (Uhura) said to Gene Roddenberry (creator), "Star Trek is just [[AnAesop morality tales]]" and he replied, "Shhh, [[EverybodyKnewAlready don't tell anyone]]".
19th Jun '17 3:09:53 AM CaptainTedium
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** "The Greatest Story Ever Sold" shows the consequences of letting your religion influence your decisions and that it is wrong to discriminate against people for having different beliefs.

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** "The Greatest Story Ever Sold" shows the consequences of letting your religion one's religious beliefs influence your their decisions and that it is wrong to discriminate against people for having different beliefs.
5th Jun '17 12:59:45 PM Rday
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* Series/WonderWoman, campy as it was, managed to drop one about the internment of Japanese-Americans during WorldWarTwo. The villain of the week was a Japanese man who was interned as a child, trying to take revenge on Wonder Woman in the belief she was responsible for his brother dying during when they attempted to escape from the camp they were held in. While she had to stop him, Diana acknowledges that the internments were wrong. For some younger viewers, this might ave been the first time they'd even heard of such camps.

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* Series/WonderWoman, campy as it was, managed to drop one about the internment of Japanese-Americans during WorldWarTwo. The villain of the week was a Japanese man who was interned as a child, trying to take revenge on Wonder Woman in the belief she was responsible for his brother dying during when they attempted to escape from the camp they were held in. While she had to stop him, Diana acknowledges that the internments were wrong. For some younger viewers, this might ave have been the first time they'd even heard of such camps.
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