History SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped / AnimeAndManga

7th Apr '17 9:31:38 AM Willbyr
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* ''ShugoChara'': While it does do the entire "Dreams" aesop much better than most, it has another one that might not count for the "anvil" part of the trope if it were not for the fact that Amu spells it out towards the end ("We are all the main characters of our own stories!"): ''Don't let somebody else decide everything for you''. As said before, it doesn't seem obvious at first, but the afore - mentioned quote, plus some viewing of the characters shows that it definitely ''is'': Ikuto has been following his stepfathers orders for years, although that arguably counteracts it by him blackmailing him with violence towards his mother and sister. [[spoiler: Him being reduced towards essentially nothing more than a slave, tired enough by the physical pain inflicted by his X - Egg - corrupted violin that he's prevented from doing anything other than sleep,(presumably) eat, and [[BrainwashedAndCrazy go Death Rebel/be otherwise brainwashed]], however, definitely ''doesn't''.]] Rima [[spoiler: is essentially treated less as a person and more as a valuable item by her parents, who, until later events, basically forbid her from spending any time outside of her house that doesn't involve school]], Kairi [[spoiler: is forced by his sister into doing [[TheMole actions]] that he really, ''really'' doesn't want to do]], Nadeshiko[[spoiler: /Nagihiko is, via family tradition, made to conceal his actual gender within order to "learn the feminine grace neccessary for the art of traditional Japanese dancing" (Although this is less severe than the other examples because of the fact that Nagihiko actually ''does'' like traditional Japanese dance. It's just the entire "gender hiding" bit that annoys him, partly because he sometimes wonders if it was really neccessary.)]] and, perhaps largest of all, [[spoiler: Gozen himself, A.K.A. Hikaru, eventually was [[BigBad what]] [[EmotionlessBoy he]] [[TheCollector is]] because of his grandfather basically attempted to control his entire life from the moment he was born, even if it was ostensibly for his "happiness".]]
** Also, just because you take one hit, don't just give up then and there. Remember: Everything that does not kill you only makes you stronger, and you learn from correcting your mistakes and recovering throughout everything that harms you. Trying again, despite what has happened within past, as long as you see where you screwed up and decline to do it again, is highly probable to increase the chances of getting it right. This is effective because of the fact that, unlike other [[TastesLikeDiabetes extraordinarily saccharine]] series, which tend to represent humanity within general as a huge [[SugarBowl sugar bowl]] with the only harm that may come to you outside of magical, otherworldly beings being occassional and, indeed, rather minor. H ShugoChara, however, admits that, within everyday life, harmful events happen all the time, be they malicious actions (Ikuto protecting two strangers from whats implied to be attempted rape, and then having the ''shit'' beaten out of him for it, albeit offscreen, [[spoiler: Rima's bacstory having her kidnapped, Utau VS. the ecording and music industry and mostly forgetful general public after leaving Easter,]] ect.) or careless mistakes (''Lots'' of filler characters, [[spoiler:(Kazamu's son, daughter-in-law, and wife dying in a car accident, although, admittedly, that one [[BigBad didn't turn]] [[{{Tykebomb}} out]] [[EmotionlessBoy too well]]... [[HeelFaceTurn Until it does.]]]], but ''like hell'' does it give them an excuse to give up, and, honestly, ''nothing'' does.

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* ''ShugoChara'': ''Manga/ShugoChara'': While it does do the entire "Dreams" aesop much better than most, it has another one that might not count for the "anvil" part of the trope if it were not for the fact that Amu spells it out towards the end ("We are all the main characters of our own stories!"): ''Don't let somebody else decide everything for you''. As said before, it doesn't seem obvious at first, but the afore - mentioned quote, plus some viewing of the characters shows that it definitely ''is'': Ikuto has been following his stepfathers orders for years, although that arguably counteracts it by him blackmailing him with violence towards his mother and sister. [[spoiler: Him being reduced towards essentially nothing more than a slave, tired enough by the physical pain inflicted by his X - Egg - corrupted violin that he's prevented from doing anything other than sleep,(presumably) eat, and [[BrainwashedAndCrazy go Death Rebel/be otherwise brainwashed]], however, definitely ''doesn't''.]] Rima [[spoiler: is essentially treated less as a person and more as a valuable item by her parents, who, until later events, basically forbid her from spending any time outside of her house that doesn't involve school]], Kairi [[spoiler: is forced by his sister into doing [[TheMole actions]] that he really, ''really'' doesn't want to do]], Nadeshiko[[spoiler: /Nagihiko is, via family tradition, made to conceal his actual gender within order to "learn the feminine grace neccessary for the art of traditional Japanese dancing" (Although this is less severe than the other examples because of the fact that Nagihiko actually ''does'' like traditional Japanese dance. It's just the entire "gender hiding" bit that annoys him, partly because he sometimes wonders if it was really neccessary.)]] and, perhaps largest of all, [[spoiler: Gozen himself, A.K.A. Hikaru, eventually was [[BigBad what]] [[EmotionlessBoy he]] [[TheCollector is]] because of his grandfather basically attempted to control his entire life from the moment he was born, even if it was ostensibly for his "happiness".]]
** Also, just because you take one hit, don't just give up then and there. Remember: Everything that does not kill you only makes you stronger, and you learn from correcting your mistakes and recovering throughout everything that harms you. Trying again, despite what has happened within past, as long as you see where you screwed up and decline to do it again, is highly probable to increase the chances of getting it right. This is effective because of the fact that, unlike other [[TastesLikeDiabetes extraordinarily saccharine]] series, which tend to represent humanity within general as a huge [[SugarBowl sugar bowl]] with the only harm that may come to you outside of magical, otherworldly beings being occassional and, indeed, rather minor. H ShugoChara, ''Shugo Chara'', however, admits that, within everyday life, harmful events happen all the time, be they malicious actions (Ikuto protecting two strangers from whats implied to be attempted rape, and then having the ''shit'' beaten out of him for it, albeit offscreen, [[spoiler: Rima's bacstory having her kidnapped, Utau VS. the ecording and music industry and mostly forgetful general public after leaving Easter,]] ect.) or careless mistakes (''Lots'' of filler characters, [[spoiler:(Kazamu's son, daughter-in-law, and wife dying in a car accident, although, admittedly, that one [[BigBad didn't turn]] [[{{Tykebomb}} out]] [[EmotionlessBoy too well]]... [[HeelFaceTurn Until it does.]]]], but ''like hell'' does it give them an excuse to give up, and, honestly, ''nothing'' does.
14th Feb '17 8:45:14 PM SweetFirefly
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** The law doesn't protect people, people protect the law. The law is not the system and it's not the provisions of the system. The law is the accumulation of everyone's wishes for a better society. And the worst thing you can do to these laws that should be sacred is to create a law that is unworthy of protection.
11th Jan '17 11:47:17 AM CLT009
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** Sex '''''IS''''' power. People will try to [[SlutShaming shame you]] for using it, but as with most forms of power, it's only as evil (or good) as its user.
11th Jan '17 11:41:02 AM CLT009
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** When you try to project your hopes and ideas onto other people, it just ends with everyone getting hurt. ''Especially'' if you start expecting the other person to live up to those hopes.

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** When you try to project your hopes and ideas onto other people, it just ends with everyone getting hurt. ''Especially'' if you start expecting the other person to live up to those hopes.\
** No one can save someone else from a destructive situation, be it self-inflicted or an abusive relationship. That person must first ''want'' to be saved, and to choose to save themselves; until then, the best that anyone else can really do is offer support and encouragement. Sometimes, that works; [[spoiler: Utena's ActOfTrueLove doesn't save Anthy, but it ''does'' help her find the strength to save herself at last]]. Other times it doesn't; [[spoiler: [[no matter how much Anthy [[AllTakeAndNoGive plays along]], Akio [[MoralEventHorizon is a lost cause]] and Anthy rightly decides to leave him behind]].
*** Victims are people. They do not just [[TheLittlestCancerPatient exist for you to pity]], [[{{Moe}} adore]] or [[DamselInDistress rescue]]; they have their own needs, emotions and personalities independent what you think they should want. People in pain may [[JerkassWoobie lash out in their grief]] ([[UngratefulBastard including at the people trying to help them]]), and may [[ManipulativeBastard try to pull you under even as you try to help them]].
** Be careful that your HeroicSacrifice doesn't teach the would-be beneficiary that they can always leave someone else to pay for their crimes.
** Pinning your self-image or self-worth on someone else is a fantastic way to make yourself (and others) ''miserable''. [[LivingEmotionalCrutch There]] [[LoveMartyr are]] [[IJustWantToBeYou many ways]] [[CantCatchUp to fall]] [[LikeAGodToMe for this]] [[ICanChangeMyBeloved trap]], but all of them end in misery because that person probably just as imperfect as you are in other ways and [[BeneathTheMask may even be hiding a VERY dark side]].
18th Dec '16 10:01:28 AM Morgenthaler
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*** Ryuko alone struggled the most. Dealing the idea of being a sex object; being consumed by the vengeance for her father; discovering her origins; and finally being taken in by the thought of being a "normal girl". Each of her lowest moments happened until she's reminded of ''who'' she is: '''''[[{{Badass}} Ryuko]] [[ActionGirl Mother]][[PrecisionFStrike fucking]] [[{{Determinator}} Matoi.]]'''''

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*** Ryuko alone struggled the most. Dealing the idea of being a sex object; being consumed by the vengeance for her father; discovering her origins; and finally being taken in by the thought of being a "normal girl". Each of her lowest moments happened until she's reminded of ''who'' she is: '''''[[{{Badass}} Ryuko]] [[ActionGirl Mother]][[PrecisionFStrike fucking]] [[{{Determinator}} '''''Ryuko Motherfucking Matoi.]]''''''''''
14th Dec '16 2:07:37 PM bwburke94
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* For all its [[WidgetSeries absurdity and insanity]], one thing that ''[[{{Shimoneta}} A Boring World Where the Concept of Dirty Jokes Doesn't Exist]]'' gets right is that censorship and thought crime, especially such as extreme within the series, is [[{{Understatement}} bad]].

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* For all its [[WidgetSeries absurdity and insanity]], one thing that ''[[{{Shimoneta}} A Boring World Where the Concept of Dirty Jokes Doesn't Exist]]'' gets right is that censorship and thought crime, especially such as extreme within the series, is [[{{Understatement}} bad]].''very'' bad.
5th Dec '16 6:00:18 PM Bartzv
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** [[MightMakesRight Might doesn't make right]]. Life isn't so simple that the truth can be decided through a couple of battles. Soujiro staked his entire ideology on his battle with Kenshin, and when he was defeated, conceded that his views were wrong and Kenshin's were right; but Kenshin tells him that the truth is something that one has to discover through the way they live their life, not by winning or losing a battle. In response, Soujiro tells Kenshin that he is much more demanding than Shishio for not giving him easy answers like Shishio did. Yahiko receives a similar response upon asking Kenshin if they were the ones that were right because they defeated Shishio, with Kenshin saying that logic would make him the same as Shishio.

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** [[MightMakesRight Might doesn't make right]]. Life isn't so simple that the truth can be decided through a couple of battles. Soujiro staked his entire ideology on his battle with Kenshin, and when he was defeated, conceded that his views were wrong and Kenshin's were right; but Kenshin tells him that the truth is something that one has to discover through the way they live their life, not by winning or losing a battle. In response, Soujiro tells Kenshin that he is much more demanding than Shishio for not giving him easy answers like Shishio did. This lesson applies to the protagonists as well as the antagonists as Yahiko receives a similar response upon asking Kenshin if they were the ones that were right because they defeated Shishio, with Kenshin saying that logic would make him Yahiko the same as Shishio.
5th Dec '16 5:47:49 PM Bartzv
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** Don't try to shoulder everything yourself. Your loved ones will be more than willing to help you with your burden. Kenshin gets chewed out repeatedly by his friends because of his tendency to put the weight of the world on his shoulders, culminating in him leaving Tokyo alone for Kyoto to fight Shishio. His friends are left angry and despondent that he left without them and immediately follow him to Kyoto, with Sano in particular punching him in the face for this upon catching up to him. After this, Kenshin becomes more willing to accept help from his friends.
** [[MightMakesRight Might doesn't make right]]. Life isn't so simple that the truth can be decided through a couple of battles. Soujiro staked his entire ideology on his battle with Kenshin, and when he was defeated, conceded that his views were wrong and Kenshin's were right; but Kenshin tells him that the truth is something that one has to discover through the way they live their life, not by winning or losing a battle. In response, Soujiro tells Kenshin that he is much more demanding than Shishio for not giving him easy answers like Shishio did. After Shishio's defeat, Yahiko asks Kenshin if they were the ones that were right because they won and Kenshin responds by saying that's the same truth Shishio lived by and that all they can do is live by and fight for their own truths.

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** Don't try to shoulder everything yourself. Your loved ones will be more than willing to help you with your burden. Kenshin gets chewed out repeatedly by his friends because of his tendency to put the weight of the world on his shoulders, culminating in him leaving Tokyo alone for Kyoto alone to fight Shishio. His friends are left angry and despondent that he left without them and immediately follow him to Kyoto, with Sano in particular punching him in the face for this upon catching up to him. After this, Kenshin becomes more willing to accept help from his friends.
** [[MightMakesRight Might doesn't make right]]. Life isn't so simple that the truth can be decided through a couple of battles. Soujiro staked his entire ideology on his battle with Kenshin, and when he was defeated, conceded that his views were wrong and Kenshin's were right; but Kenshin tells him that the truth is something that one has to discover through the way they live their life, not by winning or losing a battle. In response, Soujiro tells Kenshin that he is much more demanding than Shishio for not giving him easy answers like Shishio did. After Shishio's defeat, Yahiko asks receives a similar response upon asking Kenshin if they were the ones that were right because they won and defeated Shishio, with Kenshin responds by saying that's that logic would make him the same truth Shishio lived by and that all they can do is live by and fight for their own truths.as Shishio.
5th Dec '16 5:33:32 PM Bartzv
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** Dying doesn't help one atone for past sins. Living on and working to make up for those sins does. Megumi wanted to kill herself to atone for all the opium she was forced to make that killed people, but Kenshin tells her that such an act would not bring those people back to life and that she could instead atone by living and using her skills as a doctor to help people.

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** Dying doesn't help one atone for past sins. Living on and working to make up for those sins does. Megumi wanted to kill herself to atone for all the opium she was forced to make that killed people, but Kenshin tells her that such an act would not bring those people back to life and that she could instead atone by living and using use her skills as a doctor to help people.people as atonement instead.
5th Dec '16 5:29:49 PM Bartzv
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** Dying doesn't help one atone for past sins. Living on and working to make up for those sins does. Megumi wanted to kill herself to atone for all the opium she was forced to make that killed people, but Kenshin tells her that such an act would not bring those people back to life and that she should instead live and use her skills as a doctor to help people.

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** Dying doesn't help one atone for past sins. Living on and working to make up for those sins does. Megumi wanted to kill herself to atone for all the opium she was forced to make that killed people, but Kenshin tells her that such an act would not bring those people back to life and that she should could instead live atone by living and use using her skills as a doctor to help people.
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