History SoYouWantTo / WriteASexDrugsAndRockAndRollStory

28th Apr '16 8:22:11 PM aye_amber
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Ahh, the DarkerAndEdgier side of the arts (especially music and writing). Maybe you find the works of writers such as Creator/HunterSThompson, WilliamSBurroughs and Creator/KenKesey interesting, or maybe you want to tell the true story of your time as a groupie or write bandslash that actually resonates with people other than just the YaoiFangirl alone. There's many stories that fall under this generalized umbrella - the SexDrugsAndRockAndRoll story can be anything from its own self-contained story to a smaller part of a larger piece of any kind of drama possible.

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Ahh, the DarkerAndEdgier side of the arts (especially music and writing). Maybe you find the works of writers such as Creator/HunterSThompson, WilliamSBurroughs Creator/WilliamSBurroughs, and Creator/KenKesey interesting, or maybe you want to tell the true story of your time as a groupie or write bandslash that actually resonates with people other than just the YaoiFangirl alone. There's many stories that fall under this generalized umbrella - the SexDrugsAndRockAndRoll story can be anything from its own self-contained story to a smaller part of a larger piece of any kind of drama possible.
20th Dec '15 5:34:27 PM malifee
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* "Go Ask Alice" (the book, not the Columbia University website) is known best for failing ''horribly'' at everything from drug pharmacology to sex education, and to be, despite its occasionally lurid for the time descriptions, a thinly veiled anti-sex, anti-drug, and general abstinence tract written by a very clumsy writer.

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* "Go Ask Alice" Literature/GoAskAlice (the book, not the Columbia University website) is known best for failing ''horribly'' at everything from drug pharmacology to sex education, and to be, despite its occasionally lurid for the time descriptions, a thinly veiled anti-sex, anti-drug, and general abstinence tract written by a very clumsy writer.writer. It's also notorious for making the false claim of being the RealLife journal of a real teenager, which was a complete lie.
20th Dec '15 5:32:10 PM malifee
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* This doubly important in historical settings, such as the 1970's Glam Rock scene for example, as attitudes to LGBTQIA+ people at certain times could vary heavily depending on context, and could be patchy in terms of overall acceptance, which type of behaviour is accepted or which kind of people were accepted.



* Lots of luridly depicted, explicit use of alcohol and drugs, with your characters possibly either being very learned snobs about the substances (as in WineIsClassy and the OpiumDen) or alternately being so ignorant of them they don't even know what they're experiencing (as in UnsuspectinglySoused, IntoxicationEnsues)


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* Lots of luridly depicted, explicit use of alcohol and drugs, with your characters possibly either being very learned snobs about the substances (as in WineIsClassy and the OpiumDen) or alternately being so ignorant of them they don't even know what they're experiencing (as in UnsuspectinglySoused, IntoxicationEnsues)

IntoxicationEnsues).
* Vivid or visceral description of music or clothing that draws a parallel between that and the description of drug trips or drunken hallucinations. Alternatively, deliberately BeigeProse that suggests disconnect between the person and their actions.




* Generally, in RealLife drug user settings, there's somewhat of a "junkie hierarchy" akin to the famous "geek hierarchy," except it has several different "sliding scales." Those are drugs used, method of use, how much of a life outside getting wasted someone has, and/or their financial status. This enables for much internecine conflict/refusal to accept one has a problem/disinterest in legalization/other issues. A rough version is as follows. Note this has no basis in law, or sometimes even fact - no more than the "geek hierarchy's" reasoning as to why erotic furries are somehow "worse" or "more worthy of mockery" than Star Wars fanboys.

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* Generally, in RealLife drug user settings, there's somewhat of a "junkie hierarchy" akin to the famous "geek hierarchy," except it has several different "sliding scales." Those are drugs used, method of use, how much of a life outside getting wasted someone has, and/or their financial status. This enables for much internecine conflict/refusal to accept one has a problem/disinterest in legalization/other legalisation/other issues. A rough version is as follows. Note this has no basis in law, or sometimes even fact - no more than the "geek hierarchy's" reasoning as to why erotic furries are somehow "worse" or "more worthy of mockery" than Star Wars fanboys.



*** Crack cocaine (generally considered a 5, a "crackhead" simply due to the behavior of some users and the unfortunate messaging that crack was somehow "worse" than powder because poorer and darker-skinned people preferred it)

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*** Crack cocaine (generally considered a 5, a "crackhead" simply due to the behavior behaviour of some users and the unfortunate messaging that crack was somehow "worse" than powder because poorer and darker-skinned people preferred it)






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\n\n* Film/WithnailAndI is known for depicting a fairly realistic, grungy look at late '60's alcoholism and drug use in the U.K, although it may have limited application, as neither of the main characters are "on the scene" and are basically isolated except for their drug dealer.



18th Sep '15 8:12:41 AM Berrenta
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* The RoadMovie / TheQuest: The band is on tour. A writer needing inspiration packs up and hits the road to find it. Many, many similar ideas, but the common theme is there's a road trip, a tour, some form of travel, and it becomes this story.

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* The RoadMovie RoadTripPlot / TheQuest: The band is on tour. A writer needing inspiration packs up and hits the road to find it. Many, many similar ideas, but the common theme is there's a road trip, a tour, some form of travel, and it becomes this story.
21st Jul '14 2:39:40 AM RevolutionStone
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Ahh, the DarkerAndEdgier side of the arts (especially music and writing). Maybe you find the works of writers such as Creator/HunterSThompson, WilliamBurroughs and Creator/KenKesey interesting, or maybe you want to tell the true story of your time as a groupie or write bandslash that actually resonates with people other than just the YaoiFangirl alone. There's many stories that fall under this generalized umbrella - the SexDrugsAndRockAndRoll story can be anything from its own self-contained story to a smaller part of a larger piece of any kind of drama possible.

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Ahh, the DarkerAndEdgier side of the arts (especially music and writing). Maybe you find the works of writers such as Creator/HunterSThompson, WilliamBurroughs WilliamSBurroughs and Creator/KenKesey interesting, or maybe you want to tell the true story of your time as a groupie or write bandslash that actually resonates with people other than just the YaoiFangirl alone. There's many stories that fall under this generalized umbrella - the SexDrugsAndRockAndRoll story can be anything from its own self-contained story to a smaller part of a larger piece of any kind of drama possible.






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\n\n* Generally, in RealLife drug user settings, there's somewhat of a "junkie hierarchy" akin to the famous "geek hierarchy," except it has several different "sliding scales." Those are drugs used, method of use, how much of a life outside getting wasted someone has, and/or their financial status. This enables for much internecine conflict/refusal to accept one has a problem/disinterest in legalization/other issues. A rough version is as follows. Note this has no basis in law, or sometimes even fact - no more than the "geek hierarchy's" reasoning as to why erotic furries are somehow "worse" or "more worthy of mockery" than Star Wars fanboys.
** Drugs used:
*** Nutmeg, morning glory seeds, datura, DXM cough syrup (-0, often mocked for being too "chickenshit" or underage to get alcohol or marijuana, or in the case of datura, for being TooDumbToLive)
*** Alcohol to anything but being a raging alcoholic, caffeine, tobacco, legitimately prescribed psych meds or painkillers (0, often assumed to be a "normal" or "square" or "novice" if not an undercover cop or similar)
*** Marijuana/cannabis (1 to 2, depending on the "life outside being TheStoner" scale)
*** MDMA/LSD/shrooms/the other "hallucinogens" or "entheogens" (2 to 3, generally considered a "psychonaut" or "raver" or "party" type or alternately a "hippie")
*** Painkillers/stimulants/other legal pills used for recreational purposes (3, possibly 4 depending on how "addicted" the user seems and method of use - if they are simply popping pills, it's likely to be seen as more of a 3, a mid-range "fun" user, than a 4 verging on being a junkie)
*** Powder cocaine (usually 3 to 4, again depending on how addicted the user seems)
*** Alcohol to the degree of being a homeless, blackout gutter drunk (5, a stereotypical "alcoholic bum")
*** Crack cocaine (generally considered a 5, a "crackhead" simply due to the behavior of some users and the unfortunate messaging that crack was somehow "worse" than powder because poorer and darker-skinned people preferred it)
*** Crystal methamphetamine (5, usually considered a "junkie" or "tweaker" unless the use is VERY limited or temporary)
*** Heroin/morphine/fentanyl (5, generally considered a junkie with any use beyond a one-time experiment)
*** Bath salts (either a -0 with "stupid teenagers" or a 5 with someone who is truly messed up from them)
*** PCP/propofol/other general anesthetics... (ReadingsAreOffTheScale, if someone's known for drugs like these, they are considered TooDumbToLive ''even by other addicts and junkies.'')
** Method of use:
*** Eating/drinking/taking as pill or consumable tablet or the like (0 usually, and often considered either the "safest" or the "wimpiest" way to take drugs, depending on to whom you are speaking)
*** Smoking/inhaling (1 to 3 depending on the drug in question)
*** Snorting (automatically a 3 to 4 as most drugs that are snorted are pretty high on the above scale - one doesn't snort cannabis for example)
*** Injecting (5, to the point that it's actually considered, among most drug users, that the "line" between "having fun" and being a junkie is sticking a needle in your arm - injection drug users are often ''heavily'' looked down upon by other drug users as well as society at large)
*** Other ([[AssShove rectal]], [[EyeScream intraocular]], [[GroinAttack via the genitals]] (ReadingsAreOffTheScale, again, generally someone using drugs in this way is considered to be so far addicted nothing else works, to be near-insane, or alternately, to be trying to be seen as a badass at the possible cost of their life or organs.)
** Lifestyle/financial status
*** The rich (0, generally considered to just be having a good time with HookersAndBlow unless they go to jail or rehab, and sometimes even then)
*** Middle class with hidden/secret use of anything except meth or heroin and/or the middle to upper class version of TheStoner (0 to 1)
*** TheSlacker broke version of TheStoner (1 to 2, mocked possibly but generally seen as harmless if annoying by other users and sometimes even by society)
*** TheAlcoholic or prescription abuser/user of powder cocaine/ whose use is known but who remains a FunctionalAddict (3, considered to be going into the danger zone, but often still socially tolerable enough by others to the point of being enabled)
*** Anyone poor or abjectly broke using the stimulants or opiates (4, generally considered to be on the edge of the next category)
*** "Crackheads" for crack cocaine or "cokeheads" or "fiends" for powder, "meth heads" or "tweakers" or "speed freaks" for methamphetamine, "junkies" for heroin/opiates, gutter drunk alcoholics (5, with the trope AddledAddict in full force, and with their behavior alienating even most more "casual" users of even the substance they prefer.)

This is actually important when depicting characters who are drug users, as it allows you some idea of what you are depicting and what viewers with experience (or even with none, but who are being introduced to the world) will think. There's obviously a ton of flexibility and ways to invert or subvert the "hierarchy," but it's important that to keep in mind if you're showing, say, someone injecting drugs he or she will ''almost automatically'' be assumed to be someone with serious drug issues, while if you're depicting someone smoking even the same substance, you'll likely need to do a little more to establish the seriousness of their problem, especially if the character is rich or has a full life aside from the substance, for example.

One very clever way of subverting the "junkie hierarchy" is to juxtapose steps that absolutely don't align in it - for example, depicting a rich, WineIsClassy alcohol user (e.g. an square on both the "substance hardness" and "lifestyle" sliding scales agreeing to consume alcohol rectally (off the scale on off-the-wall consumption methods) for the sheer HolyShitQuotient (pun not intended), or alternately a person who is acting like and whom you've set up to be read as a crackhead/tweaker (a 5 on the lifestyle scale) be revealed to somehow simply be having a ''very unusual'' reaction to/overdose of nicotine or caffeine (the 0/"square" legal stimulants).



* Naked, by Kevin Brooks. It looks at the 1970's punk scene in London in a negative light.




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* Naked, Literature/FearAndLoathingInLasVegas by Creator/HunterSThompson is a TropeMaker.
* "Naked,"
by Kevin Brooks. It looks at the 1970's punk scene in London in a negative light.



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* "The Heroin Diaries: A Year In The Life Of A Shattered Rock Star" by Music/NikkiSixx and Ian Gittins, is a biography of a member of one of the most famous bands of 1980's HairMetal.






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* "Go Ask Alice" (the book, not the Columbia University website) is known best for failing ''horribly'' at everything from drug pharmacology to sex education, and to be, despite its occasionally lurid for the time descriptions, a thinly veiled anti-sex, anti-drug, and general abstinence tract written by a very clumsy writer.
* Film/ReeferMadness: ''Oh, where to START.'' This film failed so much at its over the top, absolutely wrong depiction of cannabis that it became a ''joke'' and a StonerFlick for the sheer stupidity and inaccuracy that made it something that could ''never'' be taken seriously, and where WatchItStoned is the best advice related to it that there ''is.''
27th Apr '14 2:07:11 AM ElectricMinpr
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\n\n\n* Naked, by Kevin Brooks. It looks at the 1970's punk scene in London in a negative light.



24th Feb '14 4:00:26 AM m8e
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* WackyFratboyHijinks and SexComedy: Anything by, say, JuddApatow might be an example.

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* WackyFratboyHijinks and SexComedy: Anything by, say, JuddApatow Creator/JuddApatow might be an example.
5th Aug '13 2:47:49 AM RevolutionStone
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\n* Lots of luridly depicted, explicit use of alcohol and drugs, with your characters possibly either being very learned snobs about the substances (as in WineIsClassy and the OpiumDen) or alternately being so ignorant of them they don't even know what they're experiencing (as in UnsuspectinglySoused, IntoxicationEnsues)

5th Aug '13 2:44:18 AM RevolutionStone
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* The FamilyUnfriendlyAesop is your friend, unless you're writing an entirely negative story, you'll be using many of these. Although, you can include straight aesops about friendship, about looking out for other people, about finding joy in the moment in any kind of these stories.

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* The FamilyUnfriendlyAesop is your friend, unless you're writing an entirely negative story, you'll be using many of these. Although, you can include straight FamilyFriendlyAesop aesops about friendship, about looking out for other people, about finding joy in the moment in any kind of these stories.



* WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs: You're bringing the reader/viewer as close as you can into the world of being on the drugs involved, with a psychedelic, trippy ambience for the story, a KudzuPlot at best, and possibly everything degenerating into either enjoyable or horrific batshit insanity. This can tie in with the next...

* The ShaggyDogStory and ShootTheShaggyDog: Many of these type of stories will become like this.





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\n* Lots of explicitly depicted (or at least {{lime}} and FadeToBlack) sex, of TheBeautifulElite and the HookersAndBlow variety, or alternately of the desperate LowerClassLout or NaughtyByNight variety.

5th Aug '13 2:37:44 AM RevolutionStone
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UnfortunateImplications in general: They are very, very, very easy to stumble into. You might want to check out SoYouWantTo/AvoidUnfortunateImplications.






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\n\n* The FamilyUnfriendlyAesop is your friend, unless you're writing an entirely negative story, you'll be using many of these. Although, you can include straight aesops about friendship, about looking out for other people, about finding joy in the moment in any kind of these stories.

* EverybodyMustGetStoned or the StonerFlick: A story centered around cannabis culture, with in-jokes and other stuff that is most truly funny/mindblowing/interesting to those watching under the influence or who have once been.

* WackyFratboyHijinks and SexComedy: Anything by, say, JuddApatow might be an example.

* The RoadMovie / TheQuest: The band is on tour. A writer needing inspiration packs up and hits the road to find it. Many, many similar ideas, but the common theme is there's a road trip, a tour, some form of travel, and it becomes this story.

* DrugsAreBad (or a certain drug/irresponsible use of drugs is bad), [[SexIsEvil Casual, promiscuous sex is dangerous and meaningless]], and/or celebrity/art/music/fame is empty and shallow: If you're writing a negative or balanced but heavily negative leaning story, this is possibly the territory you will enter. Keep in mind the pitfalls of UnfortunateImplications, which are just as common here as in positive stories, but it ''is'' possible to tell such a story and have it be believable and real.
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