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20th Nov '16 9:40:45 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Literature/TheDeedOfPaksenarrion'' by ElizabethMoon. A strong, vital sense of realistic detail in how the world works, along with memorable characters and a well-wrought CharacterArc as the sheepherder's daughter Paks goes from military recruit to war veteran to Paladin recruit to Christ figure. With a bit of Joan of Arc somewhere in there. Moon doesn't pull any punches, so this trilogy is for mature readers only - but not a single intense moment is gratuitous or pointless, as each moment, good or bad, carefully shapes Paks into the person she needs to be.

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* ''Literature/TheDeedOfPaksenarrion'' by ElizabethMoon.Creator/ElizabethMoon. A strong, vital sense of realistic detail in how the world works, along with memorable characters and a well-wrought CharacterArc as the sheepherder's daughter Paks goes from military recruit to war veteran to Paladin recruit to Christ figure. With a bit of Joan of Arc somewhere in there. Moon doesn't pull any punches, so this trilogy is for mature readers only - but not a single intense moment is gratuitous or pointless, as each moment, good or bad, carefully shapes Paks into the person she needs to be.



* The ''Dune'' series by Frank Herbert. It is the best-selling science fiction series of all time, with a world spanning over 20,000 years of history. Themes range from politics, economics, ecology, religion, sociology, linguistics, and philosophy. Many compare it to ''Literature/LordOfTheRings'', matching it in scope and world building, and commonly said to be the science fiction equivalent of Tolkien's work.

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* The ''Dune'' ''Literature/{{Dune}}'' series by Frank Herbert. It is the best-selling science fiction series of all time, with a world spanning over 20,000 years of history. Themes range from politics, economics, ecology, religion, sociology, linguistics, and philosophy. Many compare it to ''Literature/LordOfTheRings'', matching it in scope and world building, and commonly said to be the science fiction equivalent of Tolkien's work.
14th Sep '16 8:35:16 PM CaptEquinox
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Like Creator/JRRTolkien himself, you could teach yourself dead languages at the age of seven, go fight in [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarI the biggest and bloodiest war ever fought in your time]] and watch your friends die, begin writing of a better world on a battlefield where death is the only victor, return home to find your childhood ideals ruined in the name of progress, spend twenty years immersed in the dusty recesses of academe, then finally set pen to paper and make the words sing...

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Like Creator/JRRTolkien himself, you could teach yourself dead languages at the age of seven, live in an idyllic rural setting with your mom until she died and you had to go live in a bleak industrial town, be forbidden to see the love of your life for years until you could barely relate to each other anymore, go fight in [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarI the biggest and bloodiest war ever fought in your time]] and watch your friends die, begin writing of a better world die on a battlefield where death is the only victor, fall ill and while in hospital begin writing of a better world, return home to find your childhood ideals ruined in the name of progress, spend twenty years immersed in the dusty recesses of academe, then finally set pen to paper and make the words sing...
10th Aug '16 4:03:41 AM CommanderBLAARGH
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Give the BigBad a symbol, and wrap it in dread. It doesn't have to be black; almost any colour can be given negative associations. Red, of course, is the colour of blood and fire. Green is the colour of rot and decay, of fetid swamps and gangrenous flesh. White is the colour of sun-bleached bones, and the blinding light of the desert sun. Blue is the color of ice and frozen wastes. If you want a real challenge, try pink (hey, [[Creator/JKRowling Rowling]] pulled it off... at least with an [[SmugSnake underling]] - although if you want a truly horrific pink villain, who can forget [Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire Ramsay Bolton]]?)

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Give the BigBad a symbol, and wrap it in dread. It doesn't have to be black; almost any colour can be given negative associations. Red, of course, is the colour of blood and fire. Green is the colour of rot and decay, of fetid swamps and gangrenous flesh. White is the colour of sun-bleached bones, and the blinding light of the desert sun. Blue is the color of ice and frozen wastes. If you want a real challenge, try pink (hey, [[Creator/JKRowling Rowling]] pulled it off... at least with an [[SmugSnake underling]] - although if you want a truly horrific pink villain, who can forget [Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire [[Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire Ramsay Bolton]]?)
10th Aug '16 4:02:05 AM CommanderBLAARGH
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Give the BigBad a symbol, and wrap it in dread. It doesn't have to be black; almost any colour can be given negative associations. Red, of course, is the colour of blood and fire. Green is the colour of rot and decay, of fetid swamps and gangrenous flesh. White is the colour of sun-bleached bones, and the blinding light of the desert sun. Blue is the color of ice and frozen wastes. If you want a real challenge, try pink (hey, [[Creator/JKRowling Rowling]] pulled it off... at least with an [[SmugSnake underling]]).

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Give the BigBad a symbol, and wrap it in dread. It doesn't have to be black; almost any colour can be given negative associations. Red, of course, is the colour of blood and fire. Green is the colour of rot and decay, of fetid swamps and gangrenous flesh. White is the colour of sun-bleached bones, and the blinding light of the desert sun. Blue is the color of ice and frozen wastes. If you want a real challenge, try pink (hey, [[Creator/JKRowling Rowling]] pulled it off... at least with an [[SmugSnake underling]]).
underling]] - although if you want a truly horrific pink villain, who can forget [Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire Ramsay Bolton]]?)
20th Mar '16 7:39:49 PM Goldfritha
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!!'''Sources'''

Tolkien was ''deeply'' versed in Germanic, English, and Scandinavian lore and drew on them heavily for his inspiration. You want similar familiarity not only with the common fantasy tropes but with their roots in myth, legend, and folktale.
18th Dec '15 8:55:41 PM nombretomado
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Give some thoughts to the various archetypal plots: Start with TheHerosJourney by Campbell, then move into StructuralArchetypes by Walker and TheSevenBasicPlots by Booker. Any of these plots can serve as the backbone of your story, or you could mix-and-match the elements until you get what you want. But sticking by a classical structure can definitely help you achieve the epic feel of a true masterpiece.

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Give some thoughts to the various archetypal plots: Start with TheHerosJourney by Campbell, then move into StructuralArchetypes by Walker and TheSevenBasicPlots Literature/TheSevenBasicPlots by Booker. Any of these plots can serve as the backbone of your story, or you could mix-and-match the elements until you get what you want. But sticking by a classical structure can definitely help you achieve the epic feel of a true masterpiece.
12th Sep '15 9:54:46 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Literature/TheFionavarTapestry'' by GuyGavrielKay has been explicitly written as close as possible to the pattern set by Tolkien, while retaining its own originality.

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* ''Literature/TheFionavarTapestry'' by GuyGavrielKay Creator/GuyGavrielKay has been explicitly written as close as possible to the pattern set by Tolkien, while retaining its own originality.
10th Sep '15 8:03:58 AM Morgenthaler
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* Since GeorgeRRMartin has been hailed by some as the 'American Tolkien', you might want to check out the work that earned him that title: ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire''. It is fantasy with a deeply cynical and gritty edge.
* TheWheelOfTime, by Robert Jordan. LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters, all of whom are memorable. The plot is intricate and complex, and the battles are awesome.

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* Since GeorgeRRMartin Creator/GeorgeRRMartin has been hailed by some as the 'American Tolkien', you might want to check out the work that earned him that title: ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire''. It is fantasy with a deeply cynical and gritty edge.
* TheWheelOfTime, Literature/TheWheelOfTime, by Robert Jordan. LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters, all of whom are memorable. The plot is intricate and complex, and the battles are awesome.



* ''TheFionavarTapestry'' by GuyGavrielKay has been explicitly written as close as possible to the pattern set by Tolkien, while retaining its own originality.

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* ''TheFionavarTapestry'' ''Literature/TheFionavarTapestry'' by GuyGavrielKay has been explicitly written as close as possible to the pattern set by Tolkien, while retaining its own originality.
2nd Nov '14 7:59:11 AM lordGacek
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* ''TheFionavarTapestry'' by GuyGavrielKay has been explicitly written as close as possible to the pattern set by Tolkien, while retaining its own originality.
1st Aug '14 11:22:36 PM Hadjorim
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Give the BigBad a symbol, and wrap it in dread. It doesn't have to be black; almost any colour can be given negative associations. Red, of course, is the colour of blood and fire. Green is the colour of rot and decay, of fetid swamps and gangrenous flesh. White is the colour of sun-bleached bones, and the blinding light of the desert sun. Blue - that's tough, but why not align it with the sin of Sloth? If you want a real challenge, try pink (hey, [[Creator/JKRowling Rowling]] pulled it off... at least with an [[SmugSnake underling]]).

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Give the BigBad a symbol, and wrap it in dread. It doesn't have to be black; almost any colour can be given negative associations. Red, of course, is the colour of blood and fire. Green is the colour of rot and decay, of fetid swamps and gangrenous flesh. White is the colour of sun-bleached bones, and the blinding light of the desert sun. Blue - that's tough, but why not align it with is the sin color of Sloth? ice and frozen wastes. If you want a real challenge, try pink (hey, [[Creator/JKRowling Rowling]] pulled it off... at least with an [[SmugSnake underling]]).
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