History SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism / WesternAnimation

9th Dec '17 12:23:16 PM nombretomado
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* ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb'' is possibly ''the'' most idealistic cartoon DisneyChannel aired. The writers adhere to the rule of "no evil characters", meaning that the show's biggest recurring villain is the resident ButtMonkey/partial [[TheWoobie Woobie]] whose biggest wishes are to rule the tri-state area and [[PapaWolf be a good father]], and the worst one, a DrillSergeantNasty who pretty much brainwashed the main characters was just a dream. However, this comes off as clear proof of [[TropesAreNotBad Idealism is not Bland]], because this is where it gets all its charm.

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* ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb'' is possibly ''the'' most idealistic cartoon DisneyChannel Creator/DisneyChannel aired. The writers adhere to the rule of "no evil characters", meaning that the show's biggest recurring villain is the resident ButtMonkey/partial [[TheWoobie Woobie]] whose biggest wishes are to rule the tri-state area and [[PapaWolf be a good father]], and the worst one, a DrillSergeantNasty who pretty much brainwashed the main characters was just a dream. However, this comes off as clear proof of [[TropesAreNotBad Idealism is not Bland]], because this is where it gets all its charm.
7th Dec '17 7:45:27 PM MackWylde
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* MattGroening's other show ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' is also down the middle. The tone could arguably be more cynical but there are a ton of feel-good and heartfelt moments feel incredibly genuine, sweet, and even relatable.
1st Dec '17 1:38:59 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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->'''Superman:''' ''Good. Dreams save us. Dreams lift us up and transform us into something better. And on my soul, I swear that until my dream of a world where dignity, honor and justice are the reality we all share, [[{{Determinator}} I'll never stop fighting. Ever.]]''

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->'''Superman:''' ''Good. Dreams save us. Dreams lift us up and transform us into something better. And on my soul, I swear that until my dream of a world where dignity, honor and justice are the reality we all share, [[{{Determinator}} I'll never stop fighting. Ever.]]''''
30th Nov '17 9:31:40 PM MackWylde
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* All of ''Pixar'''s films are incredibly optimistic about real characters dealing with problems anyone can relate too.

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* All of ''Pixar'''s ''Pixar'' 's films are incredibly optimistic optimistic. They are about real characters dealing with problems anyone can relate too.too and are full of heart, humor, and emotion.
30th Nov '17 9:31:03 PM MackWylde
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* All of [[PixarAnimationStudio's, Pixar's]] films are incredibly optimistic about real characters dealing with problems anyone can relate too.

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* All of [[PixarAnimationStudio's, Pixar's]] ''Pixar'''s films are incredibly optimistic about real characters dealing with problems anyone can relate too.
30th Nov '17 9:30:33 PM MackWylde
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* All of [[PixarAnimationStudio's, Pixar's]] films are incredibly optimistic about real characters dealing with problems anyone can relate too.
4th Nov '17 7:29:36 PM MackWylde
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* DonBluth films are usually heavily on the optimistic end of the scale even if the characters have through go to hell and back to achieve their happy ending.
2nd Nov '17 7:11:14 AM MackWylde
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* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' starts way on the idealistic end, reflecting the protagonist's AllLovingHero personality. As revelations are made as to where [[HumanOutsideAlienInside the Gems]] come from and [[ScaryDogmaticAliens why they came to Earth]] come to light, it quickly becomes apparent that the Crystal Gems defected from the Homeworld Gems to protect the planet, and [[spoiler:that the Homeworld Gems are intending to return and suck its resources dry]]. What's more, the caretakers he's always looked up to have very real flaws with psychological hangups they've not gotten over. Despite the narrative's continually darkening plot, the show remains steadfastly idealistic with many lessons the characters learn about trust and enduring relationships together, and even most of the jerks and villains have sympathetic sides to them. In short, despite the innocent surface being revealed as a complex and tragic event, the characters keep their good hearts, with sobering reminders of how cynical the world can be but being a better experience because of it.
* ''WesternAnimation/BojackHorseman'' is more optimistic than ''Rick and Morty'', but not by much. The main character is a drunken, jaded, JerkAss former celebrity that obsessively watches the sitcom he starred in, pining for his glory days. Later episodes show those years were far from wonderful, and in fact his whole life is one string of failures after another, brought upon by abusive parents and poor decisions. The rest of the cast usually have a better time of things, but only after gaining thick layers of cynicism and lowering their expectations, steadfastly trying to find some meaning for themselves. Even the most idealistic character, Mr. Peanutbutter is [[spoiler: revealed to be an AntiNihilist that acts so cheerful because he's all too aware of how little time there is in life.]] More often than not, Bojack regresses back to his destructive habits to the point where his few friends eventually give up on him. By the end of the season however, he discovers in the midst of a drug-fueled epiphany that he's a good person worthy of redemption, and follows the others' lead in downtrodden expectations with a grain of hope.

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* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' starts way is very much on the idealistic end, end of the scale, reflecting the protagonist's AllLovingHero personality. As revelations are made as to where [[HumanOutsideAlienInside the Gems]] come from and [[ScaryDogmaticAliens why they came to Earth]] come to light, it quickly becomes apparent that the Crystal Gems defected from the Homeworld Gems to protect the planet, and [[spoiler:that the Homeworld Gems are intending to return and suck its resources dry]]. What's more, the caretakers he's always looked up to have very real flaws with psychological hangups they've not gotten over. Despite the narrative's continually darkening plot, the show remains steadfastly idealistic with many lessons the characters learn about trust and enduring relationships together, and even most of the jerks and villains have sympathetic sides to them. In short, despite the innocent surface being revealed as a complex and tragic event, the characters keep their good hearts, with sobering reminders of how cynical the world can be but being a better experience because of it.
* ''WesternAnimation/BojackHorseman'' is more optimistic than ''Rick and Morty'', but not by much.cynically optimistic. The main character is a drunken, jaded, JerkAss former celebrity that obsessively watches the sitcom he starred in, pining for his glory days. Later episodes show those years were far from wonderful, and in fact his whole life is one string of failures after another, brought upon by abusive parents and poor decisions. The rest of the cast usually have a better time of things, but only after gaining thick layers of cynicism and lowering their expectations, steadfastly trying to find some meaning for themselves. Even the most idealistic character, Mr. Peanutbutter is [[spoiler: revealed to be an AntiNihilist that acts so cheerful because he's all too aware of how little time there is in life.]] More often than not, Bojack regresses back to his destructive habits to the point where his few friends eventually give up on him. By the end of the season however, he discovers in the midst of a drug-fueled epiphany that he's a good person worthy of redemption, and follows the others' lead in downtrodden expectations with a grain of hope.
14th Oct '17 12:48:13 AM infernape612
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* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' is DarkerAndEdgier than anything else on Creator/DisneyChannel[=/=]Creator/DisneyXD , but usually leans towards the idealistic side of the scale. Yes, the show borrows from GothicHorror and is not afraid to shy away from the harshness of reality (especially when it comes to growing up), but the show teaches that good things can come out of bad moments. Dipper and Mabel face challenges, but their strong relationship is a testament to the show's idealism. [[spoiler: Grunkle Stan and Great-Uncle Ford even manage to patch up their broken relationship]] in the SeriesFinale.

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* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' is DarkerAndEdgier than anything else on Creator/DisneyChannel[=/=]Creator/DisneyXD , Creator/DisneyChannel[=/=]Creator/DisneyXD, but usually leans towards the idealistic side of the scale. Yes, the show borrows from GothicHorror and is not afraid to shy away from the harshness of reality (especially when it comes to growing up), but the show teaches that good things can come out of bad moments. Dipper and Mabel face challenges, but their strong relationship is a testament to the show's idealism. [[spoiler: Grunkle Stan and Great-Uncle Ford even manage to patch up their broken relationship]] in the SeriesFinale.
5th Oct '17 7:44:57 AM DecafGrub47393
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* ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb'' is possibly ''the'' most idealistic cartoon of the decade. The writers adhere to the rule of "no evil characters", meaning that the show's biggest recurring villain is the resident ButtMonkey/partial [[TheWoobie Woobie]] whose biggest wishes are to rule the tri-state area and [[PapaWolf be a good father]], and the worst one, a DrillSergeantNasty who pretty much brainwashed the main characters was just a dream. However, this comes off as clear proof of [[TropesAreNotBad Idealism is not Bland]], because this is where it gets all its charm.

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* ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb'' is possibly ''the'' most idealistic cartoon of the decade.DisneyChannel aired. The writers adhere to the rule of "no evil characters", meaning that the show's biggest recurring villain is the resident ButtMonkey/partial [[TheWoobie Woobie]] whose biggest wishes are to rule the tri-state area and [[PapaWolf be a good father]], and the worst one, a DrillSergeantNasty who pretty much brainwashed the main characters was just a dream. However, this comes off as clear proof of [[TropesAreNotBad Idealism is not Bland]], because this is where it gets all its charm.
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