History SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism / WesternAnimation

8th Feb '16 9:09:18 PM jedidarrick
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* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' is DarkerAndEdgier than anything else on DisneyChannel / DisneyXD , but it leans towards the idealistic side of the scale. Yes, the villain is an EldritchAbomination, and the show is not afraid to shy away from how hard reality can be, but the show teaches that good things can come out of bad moments. Dipper and Mabel face challenges, but their strong relationship is a testament to how idealistic this show can be.
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* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' is DarkerAndEdgier than anything else on DisneyChannel / DisneyXD , but it usually leans towards the idealistic side of the scale. Yes, the villain is an EldritchAbomination, and the show is not afraid to shy away from how hard reality can be, be (especially when it comes to growing up), but the show teaches that good things can come out of bad moments. Dipper and Mabel face challenges, but their strong relationship is a testament to how idealistic this show can be.
2nd Feb '16 6:02:46 AM DaveyDoodlebug
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** ''Flapjack'', on the other hand, is very cynical. It takes place in a CrapsackWorld where pretty much everyone is bitter, abusive, and [[GrotesqueGallery ugly]], with terrors abound.
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** ''Flapjack'', on the other hand, is very cynical. It takes place in a CrapsackWorld where pretty much everyone is bitter, abusive, and [[GrotesqueGallery ugly]], with terrors NightmareFuel abound.

* By contrast, ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' is quite far down on the cynical side of the scale, taking place in a small town hell where horror abounds and has enough squick and offensive humor that no one is innocent or spared.
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* By contrast, ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' is quite far down on the cynical side of the scale, taking place in a small town hell where everyone is corrupt or idiotic, horror abounds and has enough squick and offensive humor that no one is innocent or spared.
8th Jan '16 9:43:08 PM toonyloon
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* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' starts way on the idealistic end, reflecting the protagonist's AllLovingHero personality. As revelations about just where [[HumanOutsideAlienInside the Gems]] come from and [[ScaryDogmaticAliens why they came to Earth]] come to light, it quickly becomes apparent that the Crystal Gems defected from their people to protect the planet, and [[spoiler:that they're intending to return and suck its resources dry]]. While the scale centers towards the middle, it firmly stays idealistic even as the situation becomes a lot darker than Steven was told. What's more, the caretakers he's always looked up to have very real flaws with psychological hangups they've not gotten over. Despite the narrative's continually darkening plot, the show remains steadfastly idealistic with many lessons the characters learn about trust and enduring relationships together. In short, despite the innocent surface being revealed as a complex and tragic event, the characters keep their good hearts, with some sobering reminders of how cynical the world can be, but being a better experience because of it.
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* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' starts way on the idealistic end, reflecting the protagonist's AllLovingHero personality. As revelations about just where [[HumanOutsideAlienInside the Gems]] come from and [[ScaryDogmaticAliens why they came to Earth]] come to light, it quickly becomes apparent that the Crystal Gems defected from their people the Homeworld Gems to protect the planet, and [[spoiler:that they're intending to return and suck its resources dry]]. While the scale centers towards the middle, it firmly stays idealistic even as the situation becomes a lot darker than Steven was told. What's more, the caretakers he's always looked up to have very real flaws with psychological hangups they've not gotten over. Despite the narrative's continually darkening plot, the show remains steadfastly idealistic with many lessons the characters learn about trust and enduring relationships together.together, and even most of the jerks and villains have sympathetic sides to them. In short, despite the innocent surface being revealed as a complex and tragic event, the characters keep their good hearts, with some sobering reminders of how cynical the world can be, but being a better experience because of it.
2nd Jan '16 11:15:34 PM toonyloon
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* And perhaps the ''only'' show more cynical than ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' is ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty''. Where not only do ALL of the characters act selfish at some point, absolutely no idealism is shown, ''EVER''. The biggest "heartwarming" moment of the show? It's about how two broken people are better in a marriage together than in addiction and loneliness apart, and they are still shown to be very unhappy after this episode (even if they do get along once in a while). In fact, a major theme of the show is that the universe is ultimately chaotic and meaningless and that nothing anyone does truly matters since there will always be an alternate version of you that's no different.
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* And perhaps the ''only'' show more cynical than ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' is ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty''. Where not only do ALL of the characters act selfish at some point, absolutely no the amount of times any idealism is shown, ''EVER''.shown can be counted on one hand. The biggest "heartwarming" moment of the show? It's about how two broken people are better in a marriage together than in addiction and loneliness apart, and they are still shown to be very unhappy after this episode (even if they do get along once in a while). In fact, a major theme of the show is that the universe is ultimately chaotic and meaningless and that nothing anyone does truly matters since there will always be an alternate version of you that's no different.
2nd Jan '16 11:09:57 PM toonyloon
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* And perhaps the ''only'' show more cynical than ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' is ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty''. Where not only do ALL of characters act selfish at some point, absolutely no idealism is shown, ''EVER''. The biggest "heartwarming" moment of the show? It's about how two broken people are better in a marriage together than in addiction and loneliness apart, and they are still shown to be very unhappy after this episode (even if they do get along once in a while). In fact, a major theme of the show is that the universe is ultimately chaotic and meaningless and that nothing anyone does truly matters since there will always be an alternate version of you that's no different.
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* And perhaps the ''only'' show more cynical than ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' is ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty''. Where not only do ALL of the characters act selfish at some point, absolutely no idealism is shown, ''EVER''. The biggest "heartwarming" moment of the show? It's about how two broken people are better in a marriage together than in addiction and loneliness apart, and they are still shown to be very unhappy after this episode (even if they do get along once in a while). In fact, a major theme of the show is that the universe is ultimately chaotic and meaningless and that nothing anyone does truly matters since there will always be an alternate version of you that's no different.
18th Dec '15 6:00:56 PM jedidarrick
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* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' is DarkerAndEdgier than most other kids' cartoons, but it usually lands on idealism. Yes, there are monsters, and the show is not afraid to shy away from how hard reality can be, but the show teaches that good things can come out of bad moments. Dipper and Mabel may face challenges, but their strong relationship is a testament to how idealistic this show can be.
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* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' is DarkerAndEdgier than most other kids' cartoons, anything else on DisneyChannel / DisneyXD , but it usually lands on idealism. leans towards the idealistic side of the scale. Yes, there are monsters, the villain is an EldritchAbomination, and the show is not afraid to shy away from how hard reality can be, but the show teaches that good things can come out of bad moments. Dipper and Mabel may face challenges, but their strong relationship is a testament to how idealistic this show can be.
27th Nov '15 9:42:12 PM jedidarrick
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* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' is DarkerAndEdgier than 'most other kids' cartoons, but it usually lands on idealism. Yes, there are monsters, and the show is not afraid to shy away from how hard reality can be, but the show teaches that good things can come out of bad moments. Dipper and Mabel may face challenges, but their strong relationship is a testament to how idealistic this show can be. * ''WesternAnimation/BojackHorseman'' is more optimistic than ''Rick and Morty'', but not by much. The main character is a drunken, jaded, JerkAss former celebrity that obsessively watches the sitcom he starred in, pining for his glory days. Later episodes show those years were far from wonderful, and in fact his whole life is one string of failures after another, brought upon by abusive parents and poor decisions. The rest of the cast usually have a better time of things, but only after gaining thick layers of cynicism and lowering their expectations, steadfastly trying to find some meaning for themselves. Even the most idealistic character, Mr. Peanutbutter is [[spoiler:later revealed to be an AntiNihilist that acts so cheerful because he's all too aware of how little time there is in life.]] More often than not, Bojack regresses back to his destructive habits to the point where even his few friends eventually give up on him. By the end of the season however, he discovers in the midst of a drug-fueled epiphany that he's a good person that is worthy of redemption, and follows the others' lead in downtrodden expectations with a grain of hope.
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* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' is DarkerAndEdgier than 'most other kids' cartoons, but it usually lands on idealism. Yes, there are monsters, and the show is not afraid to shy away from how hard reality can be, but the show teaches that good things can come out of bad moments. Dipper and Mabel may face challenges, but their strong relationship is a testament to how idealistic this show can be. * ''WesternAnimation/BojackHorseman'' is more optimistic than ''Rick and Morty'', but not by much. The main character is a drunken, jaded, JerkAss former celebrity that obsessively watches the sitcom he starred in, pining for his glory days. Later episodes show those years were far from wonderful, and in fact his whole life is one string of failures after another, brought upon by abusive parents and poor decisions. The rest of the cast usually have a better time of things, but only after gaining thick layers of cynicism and lowering their expectations, steadfastly trying to find some meaning for themselves. Even the most idealistic character, Mr. Peanutbutter is [[spoiler:later [[spoiler: revealed to be an AntiNihilist that acts so cheerful because he's all too aware of how little time there is in life.]] More often than not, Bojack regresses back to his destructive habits to the point where even his few friends eventually give up on him. By the end of the season however, he discovers in the midst of a drug-fueled epiphany that he's a good person that is worthy of redemption, and follows the others' lead in downtrodden expectations with a grain of hope.hope. * ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' is DarkerAndEdgier than most other kids' cartoons, but it usually lands on idealism. Yes, there are monsters, and the show is not afraid to shy away from how hard reality can be, but the show teaches that good things can come out of bad moments. Dipper and Mabel may face challenges, but their strong relationship is a testament to how idealistic this show can be.
27th Nov '15 9:41:06 PM jedidarrick
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* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' is DarkerAndEdgier than 'most other kids' cartoons, but it usually lands on idealism. Yes, there are monsters, and the show is not afraid to shy away from how hard reality can be, but the show teaches that good things can come out of bad moments. Dipper and Mabel may face challenges, but their strong relationship is a testament to how idealistic this show can be.
27th Nov '15 9:36:52 PM jedidarrick
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* And perhaps the ''only'' show more cynical than ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' is ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty''. Where not only do ALL of characters act selfish at some point, absolutely no idealism is shown, ''EVER'', and the biggest "heartwarming" moment of the show? It's about how two broken people are better in a marriage together than in addiction and loneliness apart, and they are still shown to be very unhappy after this episode (even if they do get along once in a while). In fact, a major theme of the show is that the universe is ultimately chaotic and meaningless and that nothing anyone does truly matters since there will always be an alternate version of you that's no different.
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* And perhaps the ''only'' show more cynical than ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' is ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty''. Where not only do ALL of characters act selfish at some point, absolutely no idealism is shown, ''EVER'', and the ''EVER''. The biggest "heartwarming" moment of the show? It's about how two broken people are better in a marriage together than in addiction and loneliness apart, and they are still shown to be very unhappy after this episode (even if they do get along once in a while). In fact, a major theme of the show is that the universe is ultimately chaotic and meaningless and that nothing anyone does truly matters since there will always be an alternate version of you that's no different.
10th Nov '15 6:00:43 PM nombretomado
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'' tends to be down the middle. Several known species of animal are extinct, New York City has been destroyed and rebuilt several times, crack is readily available in vending machines, the universe is threatened on a regular basis, RichardNixon is president again, the nation’s military is commanded by an incompetent, womanizing ManChild who is more than willing to sacrifice his own men for unnecessary reasons and start a war with a race he hates, hell exists, [[PlaceWorseThanDeath and is in]] [[{{Joisey}} New Jersey]]; and the world’s leading manufacturer in robots, starship fuel, and electronics is an evil, abusive, amoral old hag, it is legal to eat human meat, and racism [[FantasticRacism still exists in one form or another]]. But there are episodes that show that some of the worst offenders (namely Bender) have a human side to them, that no love goes unrequited, that shows humanity can band together and make significant changes (i.e. being able to give mutants, who, for the majority of the series, were treated as vermin, regulated to living in shoddy conditions in the sewers; the freedom to move about the surface and (possibly) equal rights as surface-dwellers, legalize robosexual marriage, and come to a fair and equal consensus on controversial subjects like evolution.
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'' tends to be down the middle. Several known species of animal are extinct, New York City has been destroyed and rebuilt several times, crack is readily available in vending machines, the universe is threatened on a regular basis, RichardNixon UsefulNotes/RichardNixon is president again, the nation’s military is commanded by an incompetent, womanizing ManChild who is more than willing to sacrifice his own men for unnecessary reasons and start a war with a race he hates, hell exists, [[PlaceWorseThanDeath and is in]] [[{{Joisey}} New Jersey]]; and the world’s leading manufacturer in robots, starship fuel, and electronics is an evil, abusive, amoral old hag, it is legal to eat human meat, and racism [[FantasticRacism still exists in one form or another]]. But there are episodes that show that some of the worst offenders (namely Bender) have a human side to them, that no love goes unrequited, that shows humanity can band together and make significant changes (i.e. being able to give mutants, who, for the majority of the series, were treated as vermin, regulated to living in shoddy conditions in the sewers; the freedom to move about the surface and (possibly) equal rights as surface-dwellers, legalize robosexual marriage, and come to a fair and equal consensus on controversial subjects like evolution.
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