History SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism / WesternAnimation

12th Sep '17 9:16:49 AM CosmicFerret
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* ''[[WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague Justice League Unlimited]]'' has some fun exploring this during the Cadmus arc - memorably, Superman turns out to be the UnwittingPawn by taking the "realistic" option, but Batman manages to save everyone's bacon by doing same. In the end Superman refuses to kill a goading Luthor, providing the page quote for BeingGoodSucks, showing both a triumph of Idealism '''and''' internal fortitude, as he is sorely [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge tempted to avenge]] TheFlash, who turns out to be NotQuiteDead.

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* ''[[WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague Justice League Unlimited]]'' has some fun exploring this during the Cadmus arc - memorably, Superman turns out to be the UnwittingPawn by taking the "realistic" option, but Batman manages to save everyone's bacon by doing same. In the end Superman refuses to kill a goading Luthor, providing the page quote for BeingGoodSucks, showing both a triumph of Idealism '''and''' internal fortitude, as he is sorely [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge tempted to avenge]] TheFlash, Franchise/TheFlash, who turns out to be NotQuiteDead.
4th Sep '17 8:04:56 PM Peteman
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Total Drama|Island}}'' started out as a fairly idealistic parody of reality shows in its first season, with a few cynical moments and individual {{Downer Ending}}s. In its second season, though, things took a turn for the cynical end. Tropes like the SatelliteLoveInterest were {{Deconstructed}} brutally, and the cast turned into a pretty good example of BlackAndGrayMorality. Season 3 can be considered somewhat a {{Reconstruction}}, returning to the formula of the first season with some things from the second lurking in, and the series now lies at the center of the scale.

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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Total Drama|Island}}'' started out as a fairly idealistic parody of reality shows in its first season, with a few cynical moments and individual {{Downer Ending}}s. In its second season, though, things took a turn for the cynical end. Tropes like the SatelliteLoveInterest were {{Deconstructed}} brutally, {{Deconstructed}}, and the cast turned into a pretty good example of BlackAndGrayMorality. Season 3 can be considered somewhat a {{Reconstruction}}, returning to the formula of the first season with some things from the second lurking in, and the series now lies at the center of the scale.
1st May '17 7:08:11 PM Spaghetti7345
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** Season 5, consisting of the All-Stars and Pahkitew Island mini-seasons, are definitely a high point in the show's cynicism. All Stars boasts even more {{Deconstriction}} of beloved characters, especially [[spoiler: Courtney betraying Gwen after their [[FireForgedFriends newfound friendship]]. There's a reason it's often the cited as the most hated season of Total Drama. Pahkitew Island, on the other hand, involves a heaping dose of BlackAndGrayMorality. It certainly doesn't help that Chris is [[TookALevelInJerkass more sadistic and cruel than ever.]]

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** Season 5, consisting of the All-Stars and Pahkitew Island mini-seasons, are definitely a high point in the show's cynicism. All Stars boasts even more {{Deconstriction}} {{Deconstruction}} of beloved characters, especially [[spoiler: Courtney betraying Gwen after their [[FireForgedFriends newfound friendship]].friendship]]]]. There's a reason it's often the cited as the most hated season of Total Drama. Pahkitew Island, on the other hand, involves a heaping dose of BlackAndGrayMorality. It certainly doesn't help that Chris is [[TookALevelInJerkass more sadistic and cruel than ever.]]
1st May '17 7:07:22 PM Spaghetti7345
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** ''WesternAnimation/{{TotalDramaPresentsTheRidonculousRace}}'', however, is definitely the most idealistic season of the Total Drama franchise yet. Pretty much every team [[HappilyEverAfter has a happy ending]] even if they don't win, from simply being [[GracefulLoser dignified and relaxed in defeat]] to gaining [[EarnYourHappyEnding better relationships with each other.]] The only team this isn't true for? [[spoiler: [[CheatersNeverProsper The backstabbing, cold-hearted Ice Dancers.]]]]

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** ''WesternAnimation/{{TotalDramaPresentsTheRidonculousRace}}'', ''WesternAnimation/TotalDramaPresentsTheRidonculousRace'', however, is definitely the most idealistic season of the Total Drama franchise yet. Pretty much every team [[HappilyEverAfter has a happy ending]] even if they don't win, from simply being [[GracefulLoser dignified and relaxed in defeat]] to gaining [[EarnYourHappyEnding better relationships with each other.]] The only team this isn't true for? [[spoiler: [[CheatersNeverProsper The backstabbing, cold-hearted Ice Dancers.]]]]
1st May '17 7:06:35 PM Spaghetti7345
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** Season 5, consisting of the All-Stars and Pahkitew Island mini-seasons, are definitely a high point in the show's cynicism. All Stars boasts even more {{Deconstriction}} of beloved characters, especially [[spoiler: Courtney betraying Gwen after their [[FireForgedFriends newfound friendship]]. There's a reason it's often the cited as the most hated season of Total Drama. Pahkitew Island, on the other hand, involves a heaping dose of BlackAndGrayMorality. It certainly doesn't help that Chris is [[TookALevelInJerkass more sadistic and cruel than ever.]]
** ''WesternAnimation/{{TotalDramaPresentsTheRidonculousRace}}'', however, is definitely the most idealistic season of the Total Drama franchise yet. Pretty much every team [[HappilyEverAfter has a happy ending]] even if they don't win, from simply being [[GracefulLoser dignified and relaxed in defeat]] to gaining [[EarnYourHappyEnding better relationships with each other.]] The only team this isn't true for? [[spoiler: [[CheatersNeverProsper The backstabbing, cold-hearted Ice Dancers.]]]]
30th Apr '17 3:43:08 PM Nulono
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** It usually falls on the cynical side of the spectrum when it comes to the big bads. Out of the six of these over five seasons, only Nightmare Moon, Discord, via Fluttershy in Season 3, and [[spoiler: Starlight Glimmer in Season 5]] have proven redeemable by the PowerOfFriendship. The others have been either destroyed, banished, or escape punishment. Smaller, one-episode bullies usually just take off without learning a lesson, with The Great and Powerful Trixie and Gilda as the only ones to turn up again and undergo some character development thus far.

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** It usually falls on the cynical side of the spectrum when it comes to the big bads. Out of the six of these over five seasons, only Nightmare Moon, Discord, via Discord (via Fluttershy in Season 3, 3), and [[spoiler: Starlight Glimmer in Season 5]] have proven redeemable by the PowerOfFriendship. The others have been either destroyed, banished, or escape punishment. Smaller, one-episode bullies usually just take off without learning a lesson, with The Great and Powerful Trixie and Gilda as the only ones to turn up again and undergo some character development thus far.
24th Feb '17 5:22:07 AM DecafGrub47393
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* ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb'' is possibly ''the'' most idealistic cartoon of the century. The writers adhere to the rule of "no evil characters", meaning that the show's biggest recurring villain is the resident ButtMonkey/partial [[TheWoobie Woobie]] whose biggest wishes are to rule the tri-state area and [[PapaWolf be a good father]], and the worst one, a DrillSergeantNasty who pretty much brainwashed the main characters was [[spoiler: just a dream]]. However, this comes off as clear proof of [[TropesAreNotBad Idealism is not Bland]], because this is where it gets all its charm.

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* ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb'' is possibly ''the'' most idealistic cartoon of the century.decade. The writers adhere to the rule of "no evil characters", meaning that the show's biggest recurring villain is the resident ButtMonkey/partial [[TheWoobie Woobie]] whose biggest wishes are to rule the tri-state area and [[PapaWolf be a good father]], and the worst one, a DrillSergeantNasty who pretty much brainwashed the main characters was [[spoiler: just a dream]]. However, this comes off as clear proof of [[TropesAreNotBad Idealism is not Bland]], because this is where it gets all its charm.
26th Jan '17 8:09:14 PM jedidarrick
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* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' is DarkerAndEdgier than anything else on Creator/DisneyChannel[=/=]Creator/DisneyXD , but usually leans towards the idealistic side of the scale. Yes, the show is not afraid to shy away from the harshness of reality (especially when it comes to growing up), but the show teaches that good things can come out of bad moments. Dipper and Mabel face challenges, but their strong relationship is a testament to the show's idealism. [[spoiler: Grunkle Stan and Great-Uncle Ford even manage to patch up their broken relationship]] in the SeriesFinale.

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* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' is DarkerAndEdgier than anything else on Creator/DisneyChannel[=/=]Creator/DisneyXD , but usually leans towards the idealistic side of the scale. Yes, the show borrows from GothicHorror and is not afraid to shy away from the harshness of reality (especially when it comes to growing up), but the show teaches that good things can come out of bad moments. Dipper and Mabel face challenges, but their strong relationship is a testament to the show's idealism. [[spoiler: Grunkle Stan and Great-Uncle Ford even manage to patch up their broken relationship]] in the SeriesFinale.
25th Nov '16 10:29:32 PM AceBrace
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* Even before the massive CerebusSyndrome, ''WesternAnimation/MoralOrel'' is pretty firmly planted on the cynical side, playing both [[PlayedForLaughs playing for laughs]] and [[PlayedForDrama for drama]] the StepfordSuburbia of Moralton and the [[InVinoVeritas dysfunctional]] [[HappyMarriageCharade and]] [[BreakTheCutie depressing]] lives of its residents. Despite this, the show keeps a few [[HopeSpot hope spots]] [[spoiler: most notably in the episodes "Dumb" and "Closeface," as well as the [[EarnYourHappyEnding ending]]]].

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* Even before the massive CerebusSyndrome, ''WesternAnimation/MoralOrel'' is pretty firmly planted on the cynical side, playing both [[PlayedForLaughs playing for laughs]] and [[PlayedForDrama for drama]] the StepfordSuburbia of Moralton and the [[InVinoVeritas dysfunctional]] [[HappyMarriageCharade and]] [[BreakTheCutie depressing]] lives of its residents. Despite this, the show keeps a few [[HopeSpot hope spots]] [[spoiler: most notably in the episodes "Dumb" and "Closeface," as well as the [[EarnYourHappyEnding ending]]]].
25th Nov '16 10:25:07 PM AceBrace
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* Even before the massive CerebusSyndrome, ''WesternAnimation/MoralOrel'' is pretty firmly planted on the cynical side, playing both [[PlayedForLaughs playing for laughs]] and [[PlayedForDrama for drama]] the StepfordSuburbia of Moralton and the [[InVinoVeritas dysfunctional]] [[HappyMarriageCharade and]] [[BreakTheCutie depressing]] lives of its residents. Despite this, the show keeps a few [[HopeSpot hope spots]] [[spoiler: most notably in the episodes "Dumb" and "Closeface," as well as the [[EarnYourHappyEnding ending]]]].
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