History SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism / FanWorks

31st Jan '18 7:57:11 AM Cryoclaste
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* ''FanFic/NecaberintsPhalanx'' is an interesting case. It's military sci-fi with a child soldier set in the GearsOfWar [[CrapsackWorld universe]] and things keep getting worse. The main character has had a terrible life, like everybody else, and he's a going rather insane. It sounds like a complete wad of DarkFic. It's actually rather cynical for a fic about a video game set in a post-apocalyptic hellhole where the good guys are Fascists. The themes of friendship, love, loyalty, camaraderie, and trust appear often and frequently, without the characters being TrueCompanions, they would have all certainly died by now. It's a realistically idealistic work with cynicism jutting into it.

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* ''FanFic/NecaberintsPhalanx'' is an interesting case. It's military sci-fi with a child soldier set in the GearsOfWar ''VideoGame/GearsOfWar'' [[CrapsackWorld universe]] and things keep getting worse. The main character has had a terrible life, like everybody else, and he's a going rather insane. It sounds like a complete wad of DarkFic. It's actually rather cynical for a fic about a video game set in a post-apocalyptic hellhole where the good guys are Fascists. The themes of friendship, love, loyalty, camaraderie, and trust appear often and frequently, without the characters being TrueCompanions, they would have all certainly died by now. It's a realistically idealistic work with cynicism jutting into it.
27th Dec '17 1:15:22 PM KamenRiderOokalf
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* ''Anime/KingsOfRevolution'' shows what happens when the cynical world of ''Anime/CodeGeass'' and the idealist world of ''Franchice/LyricalNanoha'' blend. [[GameChanger Their perspectives swtich.]]

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* ''Anime/KingsOfRevolution'' shows what happens when the cynical world of ''Anime/CodeGeass'' and the idealist world of ''Franchice/LyricalNanoha'' ''Franchise/LyricalNanoha'' blend. [[GameChanger Their perspectives swtich.]]



** Whereas in ''Fanfic/LyricalNanoha'', the TSAB utopia becomes shattered over the emerge of an international terrorist organization that appears under their nose and declares to the world that YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters. They kill Mages easily, practice LoopholeAbuse and PragmaticVillainy to avoid TSAB persecution, and deep corruption burrowed into the police force. Plus, the AlienNonInterferenceClause keep the heroines from helping the Japanese suffering under Britannian rule and [[spoiler:former friends are bent on revenge against them.]]

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** Whereas in ''Fanfic/LyricalNanoha'', ''Franchise/LyricalNanoha'', the TSAB utopia becomes shattered over the emerge of an international terrorist organization that appears under their nose and declares to the world that YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters. They kill Mages easily, practice LoopholeAbuse and PragmaticVillainy to avoid TSAB persecution, and deep corruption burrowed into the police force. Plus, the AlienNonInterferenceClause keep the heroines from helping the Japanese suffering under Britannian rule and [[spoiler:former friends are bent on revenge against them.]]



* ''Fanfic/GameTheoryFanFic'' plays itself pretty cynically, with being a deconstruction of the original MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha though it also shows some of the idealism as well. Notably, while the conflict is essentially a case of GoodVersusGood, Nanoha's idealism is actually portrayed as a ''flaw'', [[spoiler:as it leads to her siding with Precia, risking billions of lives for the sake of one person]].

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* ''Fanfic/GameTheoryFanFic'' plays itself pretty cynically, with being a deconstruction of the original MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha ''Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha'' though it also shows some of the idealism as well. Notably, while the conflict is essentially a case of GoodVersusGood, Nanoha's idealism is actually portrayed as a ''flaw'', [[spoiler:as it leads to her siding with Precia, risking billions of lives for the sake of one person]].
16th Dec '17 2:40:41 PM nombretomado
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* ''FanFic/HarryPotterAndTheMethodsOfRationality'' plays up the {{crapsack|World}} aspects of the Potterverse, but also has some genuine HeartwarmingMoments. May be going for EarnYourHappyEnding.
* ''FanFic/DrunkardsWalk'' is generally idealistic. Most of the characters are shown to be (or become) decent people at heart, and it's very difficult to find character who is both truly selfish and not batshit insane.
* ''TheEmiyaClan'' is all over the place on this one, probably due to the different authors that make up the community and the many different stories and crossovers being written. Some stories, focusing on harem antics, family comedy, or the power of friendship are idealistic. Others, focusing on the more traditional Franchise/{{Nasuverse}} angles, wars, and the criminal underworld, are extremely cynical.

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* ''FanFic/HarryPotterAndTheMethodsOfRationality'' ''Fanfic/HarryPotterAndTheMethodsOfRationality'' plays up the {{crapsack|World}} aspects of the Potterverse, but also has some genuine HeartwarmingMoments. May be going for EarnYourHappyEnding.
* ''FanFic/DrunkardsWalk'' ''Fanfic/DrunkardsWalk'' is generally idealistic. Most of the characters are shown to be (or become) decent people at heart, and it's very difficult to find character who is both truly selfish and not batshit insane.
* ''TheEmiyaClan'' ''Fanfic/TheEmiyaClan'' is all over the place on this one, probably due to the different authors that make up the community and the many different stories and crossovers being written. Some stories, focusing on harem antics, family comedy, or the power of friendship are idealistic. Others, focusing on the more traditional Franchise/{{Nasuverse}} angles, wars, and the criminal underworld, are extremely cynical.
30th Sep '17 8:30:09 AM Sophronius
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* ''Fanfic/ScarsSamsara'' has a very cynical main character as well as many dark scenes highlighting the [[CrapsackWorld crapsack]] nature of the setting, but the overall message is still very much on the idealistic side of the scale.
11th Jul '17 11:37:21 AM Giantleviathan
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* Despite being [[NightmareFuel/PonyPOVSeries MUCH]] [[TearJerker/PonyPOVSeries darker]] than it's [[Franchise/MyLittlePony source material]], the FanFic/PonyPOVSeries is ''firmly'' on the side of idealism. It practically RUNS on it. It is [[WorldHalfFull a setting where even the greatest of tragedies can be overcome]], where anyone can [[EarnYourHappyEnding earn their happy ending]], where the Gods (Even the [[EldritchAbomination scary ones]]) truly CARE about mortals, and where mortals can ascend to the level of the Gods by their deeds. Where every loss, no matter how horrifying or tragic, is a precursor to a greater triumph.
** Nowhere is this shown better than in it's sixth season, Dark World. Which is all about taking a relentlessly grimdark CrapsackWorld of a BadFuture, and giving it a truly happy ending.
10th Jun '17 10:41:07 AM Iceaura39
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*''Story/AesirCrossWars'', while having serious moments (especially the Bonus Chapters), is generally on the Idealistic side. The world is more positive than one would expect than what is expected of Norse Mythology. TheHero is an IdealHero with a strong belief that RosseauWasRight. Many things are PlayedForLaughs, and for a world based off ''VideoGame/KidIcarusUprising'', the Dark Pit character ends up being more like Axel from ''VideoGame/Disgaea2CursedMemories''.
19th Jan '17 1:24:46 PM Willbyr
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* ''TheEmiyaClan'' is all over the place on this one, probably due to the different authors that make up the community and the many different stories and crossovers being written. Some stories, focusing on harem antics, family comedy, or the power of friendship are idealistic. Others, focusing on the more traditional {{Nasuverse}} angles, wars, and the criminal underworld, are extremely cynical.

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* ''TheEmiyaClan'' is all over the place on this one, probably due to the different authors that make up the community and the many different stories and crossovers being written. Some stories, focusing on harem antics, family comedy, or the power of friendship are idealistic. Others, focusing on the more traditional {{Nasuverse}} Franchise/{{Nasuverse}} angles, wars, and the criminal underworld, are extremely cynical.
6th Jan '17 3:51:12 PM MiddleEighth
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* On the other hand, ''Fanfic/TheKeysStandAlone: The Soft World'' starts off with them being cynical and quickly sends them far down the scale, to the point where they decide that the so-called good Pyar gods and the White Tower are almost as evil as the Black Tower they're supposed to bring down. They aren't happy that they're being forced to support evil, but as John puts it, it would be a problem on Earth, but who cares what happens on C'hou?
** Yet they firmly cling to their idealistic belief that violence is wrong and manage to stick to it.

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* ** On the other hand, ''Fanfic/TheKeysStandAlone: The Soft World'' starts off with them being cynical and quickly sends them far down the scale, to the point where they decide that the so-called good Pyar gods and the White Tower are almost as evil as the Black Tower they're supposed to bring down. They aren't happy that they're being forced to support evil, but as John puts it, it would be a problem on Earth, but who cares what happens on C'hou?
** *** Yet they firmly cling to their idealistic belief that violence is wrong and manage to stick to it.
6th Jan '17 3:50:26 PM MiddleEighth
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*On the other hand, ''Fanfic/TheKeysStandAlone: The Soft World'' starts off with them being cynical and quickly sends them far down the scale, to the point where they decide that the so-called good Pyar gods and the White Tower are almost as evil as the Black Tower they're supposed to bring down. They aren't happy that they're being forced to support evil, but as John puts it, it would be a problem on Earth, but who cares what happens on C'hou?
**Yet they firmly cling to their idealistic belief that violence is wrong and manage to stick to it.
18th Jul '16 6:03:53 AM WiseMan23753
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** Whereas in ''Fanfic/LyricalNanoha'', the TSAB utopia becomes shattered over the emerge of an international terrorist organization that appears under their nose and declares to the world that YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters. They kill Mages easily, practice LoopholeAbuse and PragmaticVillainy to avoid TSAB persecution, and deep corruption burrowed into the police force. Plus, the NonAlienInterferenceClause keep the heroines from helping the Japanese suffering under Britannian rule and [[spoiler:former friends are bent on revenge against them.]]

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** Whereas in ''Fanfic/LyricalNanoha'', the TSAB utopia becomes shattered over the emerge of an international terrorist organization that appears under their nose and declares to the world that YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters. They kill Mages easily, practice LoopholeAbuse and PragmaticVillainy to avoid TSAB persecution, and deep corruption burrowed into the police force. Plus, the NonAlienInterferenceClause AlienNonInterferenceClause keep the heroines from helping the Japanese suffering under Britannian rule and [[spoiler:former friends are bent on revenge against them.]]
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