History SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism / ComicBooks

12th Jan '16 10:57:40 AM AHI-3000
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Moving to the Newspaper Comics section.
* ''ComicStrip/TheBoondocks'' is a relentlessly cynical {{satire}} comic about black people, and the unstoppable nature of corporate greed.
9th Jan '16 11:12:43 AM AHI-3000
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* ''{{Boondocks}}'' is a relentlessly cynical {{satire}} comic about Black people and the unstoppable nature of corporate greed and Blaxploitation.
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* ''{{Boondocks}}'' ''ComicStrip/TheBoondocks'' is a relentlessly cynical {{satire}} comic about Black people black people, and the unstoppable nature of corporate greed and Blaxploitation.greed.
6th Jan '16 10:14:23 PM Doug86
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** There are a few authors who will completely ignore this principle when writing in the DCU; FrankMiller is probably the best-known example. ** There is one current superheroine with which this completely does not apply: {{Comicbook/Manhunter}}. In her first appearance, she killed Copperhead and has never regretted it. In fact, even people who know her secret identity aren't bothered by it - probably because of the fact that Copperhead was a mass murderer and had just slaughtered a bunch of cops. [[ComicBook/BirdsOfPrey She's even teamed up with Oracle]], been the lawyer of WonderWoman, and has consulted Batman and Superman for help before.
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** There are a few authors who will completely ignore this principle when writing in the DCU; FrankMiller Creator/FrankMiller is probably the best-known example. ** There is one current superheroine with which this completely does not apply: {{Comicbook/Manhunter}}.Comicbook/{{Manhunter}}. In her first appearance, she killed Copperhead and has never regretted it. In fact, even people who know her secret identity aren't bothered by it - probably because of the fact that Copperhead was a mass murderer and had just slaughtered a bunch of cops. [[ComicBook/BirdsOfPrey She's even teamed up with Oracle]], been the lawyer of WonderWoman, and has consulted Batman and Superman for help before.
26th Dec '15 7:31:35 PM nombretomado
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** Heck, Creator/GrantMorrison in general seems to lean towards the idealistic side of the scale. ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis'' especially slams hard against the idealism side by the very end what with the representation of the dark, cynical kick comics had been on being defeated by (essentially) the manifestation of the upbeat, optimistic, and fantastical comics of {{the Silver Age|OfComicBooks}}.
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** Heck, Creator/GrantMorrison in general seems to lean towards the idealistic side of the scale. ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis'' especially slams hard against the idealism side by the very end what with the representation of the dark, cynical kick comics had been on being defeated by (essentially) the manifestation of the upbeat, optimistic, and fantastical comics of {{the UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|OfComicBooks}}.
19th Dec '15 7:09:42 PM Blazer
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* In the Creator/DCComics[=/=]Creator/{{Wildstorm}} crossover ''Dreamwar'' the remains of the Justice League, Wild C.A.T.S. and the Authority are discussing what to do with the teenaged RealityWarper that shunted them here. To stop him, he either needs to be woken up or killed, ''something'' to get him out the dream world. The League is of the idealistic side - don't kill him. He's just a kid, no matter what. The Wildstorm heroes lay within the cynic side - kill him. He's a threat and he needs to be put down before he does something stupid. It gets to the point where Superman actually stops his fight with Doomsday just to grab Midnighter and put him cross-county to make sure he didn't kill the kid.
2nd Dec '15 9:16:37 AM dreamofwritting
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wick cleanup
* ''Comicbook/ThePunisher'' is a cynical character in a shared universe; his "rightness" fluctuates wildly depending on where the series he appears in falls on the scale. In his [[Comicbook/ThePunisherMAX MAX series]], a more adult comic, there is little question to the effectiveness of his actions, and his antagonists are usually consistently pure evil ([[TwoWordsObviousTrope The Slavers]]), but in the mainstream comics, he is often shown in a less favorable light.
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* ''Comicbook/ThePunisher'' is a cynical character in a shared universe; his "rightness" fluctuates wildly depending on where the series he appears in falls on the scale. In his [[Comicbook/ThePunisherMAX MAX series]], a more adult comic, there is little question to the effectiveness of his actions, and his antagonists are usually consistently pure evil ([[TwoWordsObviousTrope The Slavers]]), (The Slavers), but in the mainstream comics, he is often shown in a less favorable light.
19th Nov '15 11:21:10 PM DuckDuckNoose
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* This is the driving point in the ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' series ''[[ComicBook/TheFalcon Sam Wilson]]: ComicBook/CaptainAmerica'': After learning that S.H.I.E.L.D. had been hiding a number of secrets when they are revealed in a Wikileaks-styled fashion, Sam decides to stop being bipartisan and take a side politics-wise as well as quit S.H.I.E.L.D. The split is easily seen when Steve Rogers, the original Captain America, tries to talk Sam out of it and that things will be better in the end. As Sam points out, Steve firmly believes that the U.S. government will do the right thing (idealism) while Sam only ''hopes'' that they can (cynicism).
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* This is the driving point in the ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' series ''[[ComicBook/TheFalcon Sam Wilson]]: ComicBook/CaptainAmerica'': After learning that S.H.I.E.L.D. had been hiding a number of secrets when they are revealed in a Wikileaks-styled fashion, Sam decides to stop being bipartisan and take a side politics-wise as well as quit S.H.I.E.L.D. The split is easily seen when Steve Rogers, the original Captain America, America and a fellow opponent of the Kobik Initiative, tries to talk Sam out of it and assure him that things will be get better in the end. As Sam points out, Steve firmly believes that that, when at its darkest hour, the U.S. government and people will do the right thing (idealism) (idealism), while Sam only ''hopes'' that they can (cynicism).
15th Nov '15 4:12:12 PM StFan
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* Scott [=McCloud=]'s ''{{Zot}}'' is a study in contrast between Zot's Earth of "far-flung future of 1965," an idealistic world with CrystalSpiresAndTogas, where everything's pretty much perfect except for some supervillainy that Zot always stops, and Jenny's Earth, ''our'' Earth, which falls into the normal realm of cynicism. In the first story arc, where Zot visits Jenny and he decides to go to a bad part of town and stop a purse-snatcher, not only does he get badly beaten, but there is a crowd of onlookers who do absolutely nothing. Even though this doesn't discourage Zot at first, after he fails to rescue some from a fire (it having been previously explained that Zot "never loses" because he believes he can never lose), he starts thinking that Jenny's Earth really isn't that good and leaves. Zot does eventually return, however, and his essential optimism and faith in human decency never seriously weakens, and even on Jenny's Earth is paid off, from time to time; similarly, Jenny's cynicism about the world, whilst justifiable and not invalid, can be misguided.
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* Scott [=McCloud=]'s ''{{Zot}}'' ''ComicBook/{{Zot}}'' is a study in contrast between Zot's Earth of "far-flung future of 1965," an idealistic world with CrystalSpiresAndTogas, where everything's pretty much perfect except for some supervillainy that Zot always stops, and Jenny's Earth, ''our'' Earth, which falls into the normal realm of cynicism. In the first story arc, where Zot visits Jenny and he decides to go to a bad part of town and stop a purse-snatcher, not only does he get badly beaten, but there is a crowd of onlookers who do absolutely nothing. Even though this doesn't discourage Zot at first, after he fails to rescue some from a fire (it having been previously explained that Zot "never loses" because he believes he can never lose), he starts thinking that Jenny's Earth really isn't that good and leaves. Zot does eventually return, however, and his essential optimism and faith in human decency never seriously weakens, and even on Jenny's Earth is paid off, from time to time; similarly, Jenny's cynicism about the world, whilst justifiable and not invalid, can be misguided.
10th Nov '15 12:53:46 PM StFan
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* ''[[ComicBook/TransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye More Than Meets The Eye]]'' and ''[[ComicBook/TransformersRobotsInDisguise Robots In Disguise]]'', two ''Franchise/{{Transformers}}'' comic series, are sister series set in the same universe but fall on completely opposite sides of the scale. ''More Than Meets The Eye'' is very idealistic with funny characters, an emphasis on action and humor, heartwarming moments, and heroes (and sometimes even villains) who do heroic things. ''Robots In Disguise'', on the other hand, is quite cynical with FantasticRacism, heroes who sometimes do or consider doing terrible things in the name of the greater good, and truly heroic characters like being shoved aside or having no real impact. Both series also have idealistic or cynical characters added to the main cast (''MTMTE'' has TragicHero and {{Jerkass}} Whirl and the constantly miserable Crankcase alongside idealistic characters; ''RID'' has Metalhawk who sees the best in everyone, lovable MadScientist Wheeljack, and BigGood Optimus Prime alongside mostly cynical characters).
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* ''[[ComicBook/TransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye ''[[ComicBook/TheTransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye More Than Meets The Eye]]'' and ''[[ComicBook/TransformersRobotsInDisguise ''[[ComicBook/TheTransformersRobotsInDisguise Robots In Disguise]]'', two ''Franchise/{{Transformers}}'' comic series, are sister series set in the same universe but fall on completely opposite sides of the scale. ''More Than Meets The Eye'' is very idealistic with funny characters, an emphasis on action and humor, heartwarming moments, and heroes (and sometimes even villains) who do heroic things. ''Robots In Disguise'', on the other hand, is quite cynical with FantasticRacism, heroes who sometimes do or consider doing terrible things in the name of the greater good, and truly heroic characters like being shoved aside or having no real impact. Both series also have idealistic or cynical characters added to the main cast (''MTMTE'' has TragicHero and {{Jerkass}} Whirl and the constantly miserable Crankcase alongside idealistic characters; ''RID'' has Metalhawk who sees the best in everyone, lovable MadScientist Wheeljack, and BigGood Optimus Prime alongside mostly cynical characters).
5th Nov '15 4:01:41 AM Blazer
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* This is the driving point in the ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' series ''[[ComicBook/TheFalcon Sam Wilson]]: ComicBook/CaptainAmerica'': After learning that S.H.I.E.L.D. had been hiding a number of secrets when they are revealed in a Wikileaks-styled fashion, Sam decides to stop being bipartisan and take a side politics-wise as well as quit S.H.I.E.L.D. The split is easily seen when Steve Rogers, the original Captain America, tries to talk Sam out of it and that things will be better in the end. As Sam points out, Steve firmly believes that the U.S. government will do the right thing (idealism) while Sam only ''hopes'' that they can (cynicism).
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