History SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism / ComicBooks

26th Apr '16 6:42:52 PM KingNine
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* This is the driving point in the ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' series ''[[ComicBook/TheFalcon Sam Wilson]]: ComicBook/CaptainAmerica'': After learning that S.H.I.E.L.D. had been hiding a number of secrets when they are revealed in a Wikileaks-styled fashion, Sam decides to stop being bipartisan and take a side politics-wise as well as quit S.H.I.E.L.D. The split is easily seen when Steve Rogers, the original Captain America and a fellow opponent of the Kobik Initiative, tries to talk Sam out of it and assure him that things will get better in the end. As Sam points out, Steve firmly believes that, when at its darkest hour, the U.S. government and people will do the right thing (idealism), while Sam only ''hopes'' that they can (cynicism). This comes back to bite Steve over in ''ComicBook/AvengersStandoff'' when he finds out that [[spoiler:S.H.I.E.L.D. [[MetaphoricallyTrue technically did shut down the project]]... then just turned it into
[[StepfordSuburbia Pleasant Hill]].]]

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* This is the driving point in the ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' series ''[[ComicBook/TheFalcon Sam Wilson]]: ComicBook/CaptainAmerica'': After learning that S.H.I.E.L.D. had been hiding a number of secrets when they are revealed in a Wikileaks-styled fashion, Sam decides to stop being bipartisan and take a side politics-wise as well as quit S.H.I.E.L.D. The split is easily seen when Steve Rogers, the original Captain America and a fellow opponent of the Kobik Initiative, tries to talk Sam out of it and assure him that things will get better in the end. As Sam points out, Steve firmly believes that, when at its darkest hour, the U.S. government and people will do the right thing (idealism), while Sam only ''hopes'' that they can (cynicism). This comes back to bite Steve over in ''ComicBook/AvengersStandoff'' when he finds out that [[spoiler:S.H.I.E.L.D. [[MetaphoricallyTrue technically did shut down the project]]... then just turned it into
into [[StepfordSuburbia Pleasant Hill]].]]
26th Apr '16 6:42:13 PM KingNine
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* This is the driving point in the ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' series ''[[ComicBook/TheFalcon Sam Wilson]]: ComicBook/CaptainAmerica'': After learning that S.H.I.E.L.D. had been hiding a number of secrets when they are revealed in a Wikileaks-styled fashion, Sam decides to stop being bipartisan and take a side politics-wise as well as quit S.H.I.E.L.D. The split is easily seen when Steve Rogers, the original Captain America and a fellow opponent of the Kobik Initiative, tries to talk Sam out of it and assure him that things will get better in the end. As Sam points out, Steve firmly believes that, when at its darkest hour, the U.S. government and people will do the right thing (idealism), while Sam only ''hopes'' that they can (cynicism). This comes back to bite Steve over in ''ComicBook/AvengersStandoff'' when he finds out that [[spoiler:S.H.I.E.L.D. [[MetaphoricallyTrue technically did shut down the project]]... then just turned it into [[StepfordSuburbia Pleasant Hill]].]]

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* This is the driving point in the ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' series ''[[ComicBook/TheFalcon Sam Wilson]]: ComicBook/CaptainAmerica'': After learning that S.H.I.E.L.D. had been hiding a number of secrets when they are revealed in a Wikileaks-styled fashion, Sam decides to stop being bipartisan and take a side politics-wise as well as quit S.H.I.E.L.D. The split is easily seen when Steve Rogers, the original Captain America and a fellow opponent of the Kobik Initiative, tries to talk Sam out of it and assure him that things will get better in the end. As Sam points out, Steve firmly believes that, when at its darkest hour, the U.S. government and people will do the right thing (idealism), while Sam only ''hopes'' that they can (cynicism). This comes back to bite Steve over in ''ComicBook/AvengersStandoff'' when he finds out that [[spoiler:S.H.I.E.L.D. [[MetaphoricallyTrue technically did shut down the project]]... then just turned it into into
[[StepfordSuburbia Pleasant Hill]].]]]]
* ''ComicBook/TheAutumnlandsToothAndClaw'' Has this as a central conflict with its main heroes Learoyd and Dusty. Dusty is a wide-eyed idealist through and through. He wants to help everyone in need regardless of their affiliations or deeds and has a strong sense of what is right and wrong. Learoyd is extremely cynical, morally questionable, and self-centered. He'll save a life if it suits him and even then he'll most likely be a cold jerk about it. The series often draws attention to the pros and cons of the two modes.
5th Apr '16 11:07:36 AM Morgenthaler
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* SinCity is heavily cynical but so over-the-top that it's part of its charm.

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* SinCity ComicBook/SinCity is heavily cynical but so over-the-top that it's part of its charm.
7th Mar '16 10:02:06 PM Blazer
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* This is the driving point in the ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' series ''[[ComicBook/TheFalcon Sam Wilson]]: ComicBook/CaptainAmerica'': After learning that S.H.I.E.L.D. had been hiding a number of secrets when they are revealed in a Wikileaks-styled fashion, Sam decides to stop being bipartisan and take a side politics-wise as well as quit S.H.I.E.L.D. The split is easily seen when Steve Rogers, the original Captain America and a fellow opponent of the Kobik Initiative, tries to talk Sam out of it and assure him that things will get better in the end. As Sam points out, Steve firmly believes that, when at its darkest hour, the U.S. government and people will do the right thing (idealism), while Sam only ''hopes'' that they can (cynicism).

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* This is the driving point in the ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' series ''[[ComicBook/TheFalcon Sam Wilson]]: ComicBook/CaptainAmerica'': After learning that S.H.I.E.L.D. had been hiding a number of secrets when they are revealed in a Wikileaks-styled fashion, Sam decides to stop being bipartisan and take a side politics-wise as well as quit S.H.I.E.L.D. The split is easily seen when Steve Rogers, the original Captain America and a fellow opponent of the Kobik Initiative, tries to talk Sam out of it and assure him that things will get better in the end. As Sam points out, Steve firmly believes that, when at its darkest hour, the U.S. government and people will do the right thing (idealism), while Sam only ''hopes'' that they can (cynicism). This comes back to bite Steve over in ''ComicBook/AvengersStandoff'' when he finds out that [[spoiler:S.H.I.E.L.D. [[MetaphoricallyTrue technically did shut down the project]]... then just turned it into [[StepfordSuburbia Pleasant Hill]].]]
12th Jan '16 10:57:40 AM AHI-3000
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* ''ComicStrip/TheBoondocks'' is a relentlessly cynical {{satire}} comic about black people, and the unstoppable nature of corporate greed.
9th Jan '16 11:12:43 AM AHI-3000
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* ''{{Boondocks}}'' is a relentlessly cynical {{satire}} comic about Black people and the unstoppable nature of corporate greed and Blaxploitation.

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* ''{{Boondocks}}'' ''ComicStrip/TheBoondocks'' is a relentlessly cynical {{satire}} comic about Black people black people, and the unstoppable nature of corporate greed and Blaxploitation.greed.
6th Jan '16 10:14:23 PM Doug86
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** There are a few authors who will completely ignore this principle when writing in the DCU; FrankMiller is probably the best-known example.
** There is one current superheroine with which this completely does not apply: {{Comicbook/Manhunter}}. In her first appearance, she killed Copperhead and has never regretted it. In fact, even people who know her secret identity aren't bothered by it - probably because of the fact that Copperhead was a mass murderer and had just slaughtered a bunch of cops. [[ComicBook/BirdsOfPrey She's even teamed up with Oracle]], been the lawyer of WonderWoman, and has consulted Batman and Superman for help before.

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** There are a few authors who will completely ignore this principle when writing in the DCU; FrankMiller Creator/FrankMiller is probably the best-known example.
** There is one current superheroine with which this completely does not apply: {{Comicbook/Manhunter}}.Comicbook/{{Manhunter}}. In her first appearance, she killed Copperhead and has never regretted it. In fact, even people who know her secret identity aren't bothered by it - probably because of the fact that Copperhead was a mass murderer and had just slaughtered a bunch of cops. [[ComicBook/BirdsOfPrey She's even teamed up with Oracle]], been the lawyer of WonderWoman, and has consulted Batman and Superman for help before.
26th Dec '15 7:31:35 PM nombretomado
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** Heck, Creator/GrantMorrison in general seems to lean towards the idealistic side of the scale. ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis'' especially slams hard against the idealism side by the very end what with the representation of the dark, cynical kick comics had been on being defeated by (essentially) the manifestation of the upbeat, optimistic, and fantastical comics of {{the Silver Age|OfComicBooks}}.

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** Heck, Creator/GrantMorrison in general seems to lean towards the idealistic side of the scale. ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis'' especially slams hard against the idealism side by the very end what with the representation of the dark, cynical kick comics had been on being defeated by (essentially) the manifestation of the upbeat, optimistic, and fantastical comics of {{the UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|OfComicBooks}}.
19th Dec '15 7:09:42 PM Blazer
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* In the Creator/DCComics[=/=]Creator/{{Wildstorm}} crossover ''Dreamwar'' the remains of the Justice League, Wild C.A.T.S. and the Authority are discussing what to do with the teenaged RealityWarper that shunted them here. To stop him, he either needs to be woken up or killed, ''something'' to get him out the dream world. The League is of the idealistic side - don't kill him. He's just a kid, no matter what. The Wildstorm heroes lay within the cynic side - kill him. He's a threat and he needs to be put down before he does something stupid. It gets to the point where Superman actually stops his fight with Doomsday just to grab Midnighter and put him cross-county to make sure he didn't kill the kid.
2nd Dec '15 9:16:37 AM dreamofwritting
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* ''Comicbook/ThePunisher'' is a cynical character in a shared universe; his "rightness" fluctuates wildly depending on where the series he appears in falls on the scale. In his [[Comicbook/ThePunisherMAX MAX series]], a more adult comic, there is little question to the effectiveness of his actions, and his antagonists are usually consistently pure evil ([[TwoWordsObviousTrope The Slavers]]), but in the mainstream comics, he is often shown in a less favorable light.

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* ''Comicbook/ThePunisher'' is a cynical character in a shared universe; his "rightness" fluctuates wildly depending on where the series he appears in falls on the scale. In his [[Comicbook/ThePunisherMAX MAX series]], a more adult comic, there is little question to the effectiveness of his actions, and his antagonists are usually consistently pure evil ([[TwoWordsObviousTrope The Slavers]]), (The Slavers), but in the mainstream comics, he is often shown in a less favorable light.
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