History SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism / ComicBooks

6th Dec '17 3:03:10 PM MackWylde
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* The ''Comicbook/Bone'' comics by JeffSmith is pretty heavily on the idealistic end for the most part. Its pretty much like a kid-friendly LordOfTheRings.

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* The ''Comicbook/Bone'' ''Bone'' comics by JeffSmith is pretty heavily on the idealistic end for the most part. Its pretty much like a kid-friendly LordOfTheRings.
6th Dec '17 3:02:16 PM MackWylde
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* The ''ComicBook/Bone'' comics by JeffSmith is pretty heavily on the idealistic end for the most part. Its like a kid-friendly LordOfTheRings.

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* The ''ComicBook/Bone'' ''Comicbook/Bone'' comics by JeffSmith is pretty heavily on the idealistic end for the most part. Its pretty much like a kid-friendly LordOfTheRings.
6th Dec '17 3:01:12 PM MackWylde
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* The ''ComicBook/Bone'' comics by JeffSmith is pretty heavily on the idealistic end for the most part. Its like a kid-friendly LordOfTheRings.
20th Oct '17 7:48:52 PM Daedalis
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* ''ComicBook/BlackScience'' showcases a series of cynical characters many of whom have idealistic self-images.
** Sara loves Grant and trusts them with their children, but he's incredibly irresponsible with both his marriage and his parenting.
** Grant believes he's working for the public good by developing dimension-travel tech, but it causes constant life-threatening problems and leads to crapsack worlds.
** Kadir also believes he's working for the greater good by containing pillar tech to keep it out of the wrong hands, but his actions invariably hurt the actual people around him.
14th Oct '17 7:34:54 PM DecafGrub47393
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** While Earth-616 lies in the middle of the scale, ''ComicBook/UltimateMarvel'' falls into cynical territory.
16th Aug '17 6:24:55 PM MagiMecha
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* ''ComicBook/DetectiveComicsRebirth'' has this discussion concerning [[spoiler:the FaceHeelTurn of Stephanie Brown. Grieving at the presumed death of Tim Drake, she takes a idealistic leaning and decides the best way to prevent such a thing is to eradicate the need for the Batman. She believes by bringing back the GCPD to the point where they don't need the Bat-Family anymore, she can prevent the creation of villains drawn to Gotham by his presence and they can retire and never have to don the costumes ever again. However, the Bat-Family takes a cynical approach and points out that even if they did that, someone would still show up, they just won't have a Bat to face him.]]
17th Jul '17 8:56:28 PM project13Kr
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* This is the driving point in the ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' series ''[[ComicBook/TheFalcon Sam Wilson]]: ComicBook/CaptainAmerica'': After learning that S.H.I.E.L.D. had been hiding a number of secrets when they are revealed in a Wikileaks-styled fashion, Sam decides to stop being bipartisan and take a side politics-wise as well as quit S.H.I.E.L.D. The split is easily seen when Steve Rogers, the original Captain America and a fellow opponent of the Kobik Initiative, tries to talk Sam out of it and assure him that things will get better in the end. As Sam points out, Steve firmly believes that, when at its darkest hour, the U.S. government and people will do the right thing (idealism), while Sam only ''hopes'' that they can (cynicism). This comes back to bite Steve over in ''ComicBook/AvengersStandoff'' when he finds out that [[spoiler:S.H.I.E.L.D. [[MetaphoricallyTrue technically did shut down the project]]... then just turned it into [[StepfordSuburbia Pleasant Hill]].

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* This is the driving point in the ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' series ''[[ComicBook/TheFalcon Sam Wilson]]: ComicBook/CaptainAmerica'': After learning that S.H.I.E.L.D. had been hiding a number of secrets when they are revealed in a Wikileaks-styled fashion, Sam decides to stop being bipartisan and take a side politics-wise as well as quit S.H.I.E.L.D. The split is easily seen when Steve Rogers, the original Captain America and a fellow opponent of the Kobik Initiative, tries to talk Sam out of it and assure him that things will get better in the end. As Sam points out, Steve firmly believes that, when at its darkest hour, the U.S. government and people will do the right thing (idealism), while Sam only ''hopes'' that they can (cynicism). This comes back to bite Steve over in ''ComicBook/AvengersStandoff'' when he finds out that [[spoiler:S.[[spoiler: S.H.I.E.L.D. [[MetaphoricallyTrue technically did shut down the project]]... then just turned it into [[StepfordSuburbia Pleasant Hill]].Hill]]]].
16th Jun '17 8:13:23 PM NoNamesEver
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** [[Author/NickSpencer Nick Spencer's]] Take on Captain America and Sam Wilsons falls purely cynical. America falls into facism as CaptainAmerica goes through a FaceHeelTurn and Sam Wilson can only watch as his attempts to bring justice constantly end in failure as the Americops abuse their authority.

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** [[Author/NickSpencer Nick Spencer's]] Take on Captain America NickSpencersCaptainAmerica and Sam Wilsons falls purely cynical. America falls into facism as CaptainAmerica goes through a FaceHeelTurn and Sam Wilson can only watch as his attempts to bring justice constantly end in failure as the Americops abuse their authority.
16th Jun '17 8:11:09 PM NoNamesEver
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** [[Author/NickSpencer Nick Spencer's]] Take on Captain America and Sam Wilsons falls purely cynical. America falls into facism as CaptainAmerica goes through a FaceHeelTurn and Sam Wilson can only watch as his attempts to bring justice constantly end in failure as the Americops abuse their authority.
15th Jun '17 4:23:51 PM AlienPatch
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** ''Comicbook/CivilWar'' itself falls heavily into cynicism, though. Particularly through the character of Sally Floyd, who [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids lambasts Captain America for his idealistic beliefs and for not knowing how modern America works]], while also claiming that America is based upon pop culture and mass media rather than in good values. And she says this ''not'' as a criticism on America, but rather as something she considers its nature and what makes it interesting.
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