History ShipToShipCombat / VideoGames

23rd Aug '16 9:32:03 AM IamTheCaligula
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* In what is probably the most wide-spread example of this trope, the ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'' fanbase is, ostensibly, nothing but a GIGANTIC NAVAL WAR. Marisa Kirisame is probably the most disputed, having no less than 4 even divisions. Most fans often have preferred ships but realize that in the world of ''Touhou'', [[Literature/BraveNewWorld everyone belongs with everyone else]]. Fan works often portray in-character ship wars as comedy. (i.e. Alice versus Patchouli for Marisa, Keine glaring at Mokou hanging out with Kaguya, and so on.) Oh, and the whole mess with Marisa is parodied [[http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/320962/hakurei_reimu-kirisame_marisa-patchouli_knowledge- here (site NSFW).]]

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* In what is probably the most wide-spread example of this trope, the ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'' fanbase is, ostensibly, nothing but a GIGANTIC NAVAL WAR. Marisa Kirisame is probably the most disputed, having no less than 4 even divisions. Most fans often have preferred ships but realize that in the world of ''Touhou'', [[Literature/BraveNewWorld everyone belongs with everyone else]]. Fan works often portray in-character ship wars as comedy. (i.e. Alice versus vs Patchouli for Marisa, Keine glaring at Mokou hanging out with Kaguya, and so on.) Oh, and the whole mess with Marisa is parodied [[http://danbooru.[[http://safebooru.donmai.us/post/show/320962/hakurei_reimu-kirisame_marisa-patchouli_knowledge- here (site NSFW).us/posts/320962 here.]]
11th Aug '16 3:38:33 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* There is quite a significant number of people in the ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'' fandom who point out that no relationships between Spartans can happen, but somehow there still seem to be fan pairings. [[ChildhoodFriends John/Kelly]], [[CargoShip John/Cortana]], John/Miranda, and [[InterspeciesRomance John/Thel]] being the most dominant in the fandom. The first three are easily the most popular, but the last one seems to be growing at a snail's pace. John/Miranda supporters were not held back by the fact that Miranda died in ''VideoGame/{{Halo 3}}'', they just change the outcome of the battle to say that she survived. Really, ''none'' of these pairings could happen, because Spartans are engineered to have no sex drive. But the fans don't care.
** Actually, canonically they only have an extremely ''reduced'' sex drive, at least among the Spartan-[=IIs=]. The Spartan-[=IIIs=] (with the relationship between Noble Team's Kat and Carter) and Spartan-[=IVs=] (ODST-turned-Spartan Buck and ONI operative Veronica Dare) have canonically shown interest in romance, [[spoiler:and even the Spartan-[=Is=], as shown with Staff Sergeant Avery Johnson, don't shy away from it either]]. This mostly has to do with the changes in the augmentation procedures, but even then several Spartan-[=IIs=] have shown romantic inclinations: Two members of Spartan Team [=BLACK=] were romantically involved with a third jealous of the thing, and Spartan Fred has ambiguously flirted with one civilian [[TeamMom Veta Lopis]] [[spoiler:who went on to work with the Spartans]].

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* There is are quite a significant number of people in the ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'' fandom who point out that no Spartan-[=IIs=] and [=IIIs=] almost never get into relationships between Spartans can happen, due to their artificially reduced sex drives, but somehow there still seem to be fan pairings. [[ChildhoodFriends John/Kelly]], [[CargoShip John/Cortana]], John/Miranda, and [[InterspeciesRomance John/Thel]] being the most dominant in the fandom. The first three are easily the most popular, but the last one seems to be growing at a snail's pace. John/Miranda supporters were not held back by the fact that Miranda died in ''VideoGame/{{Halo 3}}'', they just change the outcome of the battle to say that she survived. Really, ''none''
** It's helped that there ''are'' canon or near-canon examples
of these pairings could happen, because Spartans are engineered to have no sex drive. But the fans don't care.
** Actually, canonically they only have an extremely ''reduced'' sex drive, at least among the Spartan-[=IIs=]. The Spartan-[=IIIs=] (with the relationship between
S-[=IIs=] and [=IIIs=] getting in relationships, most notably Noble Team's Kat and Carter) and Spartan-[=IVs=] (ODST-turned-Spartan Buck and ONI operative Veronica Dare) have canonically shown interest in romance, [[spoiler:and even the Spartan-[=Is=], as shown with Staff Sergeant Avery Johnson, don't shy away from it either]]. This mostly has to do with the changes in the augmentation procedures, but even then Carter. Even several Spartan-[=IIs=] have shown romantic inclinations: Two pre-augmented members of Spartan Team [=BLACK=] were romantically involved with a third jealous of the thing, fling, and Spartan Fred has ambiguously flirted with one civilian [[TeamMom ([[TeamMom Veta Lopis]] Lopis]]) [[spoiler:who went goes on to work with the Spartans]].
9th Aug '16 11:08:37 PM Anddrix
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* Pretty much comes with territory, in regards to ''VisualNovel/KatawaShoujo''. While [[YamatoNadeshiko Lilly]] and [[ShrinkingViolet Hanako]] have the largest camps, every girl has a strong following. [[StudentCouncilPresident Shizune]] fans in particular can be downright militant in their support, largely as a result of having to constantly battle the {{Hatedom}} the character has developed since release due to the BaseBreaker nature of her route, and [[TheRival her rivalry]] with [[DieForOurShip the much adored Lilly.]] On the forums, it's fairly common for posters to rank the routes/girls in their signatures with ">" or "=" signs. For example, Favorite>Second favorite>Tied for third=Tied for third>Least favorite

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* Pretty much comes with territory, in regards to ''VisualNovel/KatawaShoujo''. While [[YamatoNadeshiko Lilly]] and [[ShrinkingViolet Hanako]] have the largest camps, every girl has a strong following. [[StudentCouncilPresident Shizune]] fans in particular can be downright militant in their support, largely as a result of having to constantly battle the {{Hatedom}} the character has developed since release due to the BaseBreaker divisive nature of her route, and [[TheRival her rivalry]] with [[DieForOurShip the much adored Lilly.]] On the forums, it's fairly common for posters to rank the routes/girls in their signatures with ">" or "=" signs. For example, Favorite>Second favorite>Tied for third=Tied for third>Least favorite
2nd Aug '16 11:55:54 AM Prometheus117
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** Actually, canonically they only have an extremely ''reduced'' sex drive, at least among the Spartan-[=IIs=]. The Spartan-[=IIIs=] (with the relationship between Noble Team's Kat and Carter) and Spartan-[=IVs=] (ODST-turned-Spartan Buck and ONI operative Veronica Dare) have canonically shown interest in romance, [[spoiler:and even the Spartan-[=Is=], as shown with Staff Sergeant Avery Johnson, don't shy away from it either]]. This mostly has to do with the changes in the augmentation procedures, but even then several Spartan-[=IIs=] have shown romantic inclinations: Two members of Spartan Team [=BLACK=] were romantically involved with a third jealous of the thing, and Spartan Fred has ambiguously flirted with one civilian [[TeamMom Veta Lopis]] [[spoiler:who went on to work with the Spartans]].
23rd Jul '16 6:27:50 PM Pichu-kun
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* In what is probably the most wide-spread example of this trope, the ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'' fanbase is, ostensibly, nothing but a GIGANTIC NAVAL WAR. Marisa Kirisame is probably the most disputed, having no less than 4 even divisions.
** Most fans often have preferred ships but realize that in the world of ''Touhou'', [[Literature/BraveNewWorld everyone belongs with everyone else]]. Fan works often portray in-character ship wars as comedy. (i.e. Alice versus Patchouli for Marisa, Keine glaring at Mokou hanging out with Kaguya, and so on.) Oh, and the whole mess with Marisa is parodied [[http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/320962/hakurei_reimu-kirisame_marisa-patchouli_knowledge- here (site NSFW).]]

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* In what is probably the most wide-spread example of this trope, the ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'' fanbase is, ostensibly, nothing but a GIGANTIC NAVAL WAR. Marisa Kirisame is probably the most disputed, having no less than 4 even divisions.
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divisions. Most fans often have preferred ships but realize that in the world of ''Touhou'', [[Literature/BraveNewWorld everyone belongs with everyone else]]. Fan works often portray in-character ship wars as comedy. (i.e. Alice versus Patchouli for Marisa, Keine glaring at Mokou hanging out with Kaguya, and so on.) Oh, and the whole mess with Marisa is parodied [[http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/320962/hakurei_reimu-kirisame_marisa-patchouli_knowledge- here (site NSFW).]]



* Not the worst problem of the immensely BrokenBase of ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'', but it pops up from time to time. See [[PuppyLove Tails/Cream versus Tails/Cosmo versus Tails/Marine versus Tails/Zooey]] for the tip of the iceberg, along with the mixed consensus on Sonic/Amy.
** There's quite a bit of animosity between fans of Sonic/Amy and Sonic/Sally. Somewhat odd because Sally and Amy mostly don't exist within the same series -- Sally does not appear in the games or ''Anime/{{Sonic X}}'', while Amy does not appear in ''WesternAnimation/SonicSatAM''. The only version of the franchise where both Amy and Sally exist is the [[Comicbook/SonicTheHedgehog Archie comic]], in which Amy has a large hurdle to getting Sonic's attention -- having a 10-year-old mind in a 15-year-old-body.

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* Not the worst problem of the immensely BrokenBase of ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'', but it pops up from time to time. time:
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See [[PuppyLove Tails/Cream versus Tails/Cosmo versus Tails/Marine versus Tails/Zooey]] for the tip of the iceberg, along with the mixed consensus on Sonic/Amy.
** There's quite a bit of animosity between fans of Sonic/Amy and Sonic/Sally. Somewhat odd because Sally and Amy mostly don't exist within the same series -- Sally does not appear in the games or ''Anime/{{Sonic X}}'', while Amy does not appear in ''WesternAnimation/SonicSatAM''. The only version of the franchise where both Amy and Sally exist is the [[Comicbook/SonicTheHedgehog [[Comicbook/ArchieComicsSonicTheHedgehog Archie comic]], in which Amy has a large hurdle to getting Sonic's attention -- having a 10-year-old mind in a 15-year-old-body.



* The ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'' fandom, especially as of the second installment, seems to be comprised of two groups: those who regard shipping as SeriousBusiness, and those that ship for fun or to point at and laugh at the first group. The introduction of Organization XIII basically just gave the former group license to spark flame wars over the relative merits of the #### ship of the day (12 males that hang out in a castle all day? Why, it's like shooting fish in a barrel!). Oh, and never mention [=AkuRoku=] if you value your head.

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* ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'':
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The ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'' fandom, especially as of the second installment, seems to be comprised of two groups: those who regard shipping as SeriousBusiness, and those that ship for fun or to point at and laugh at the first group. The introduction of Organization XIII basically just gave the former group license to spark flame wars over the relative merits of the #### ship of the day (12 males that hang out in a castle all day? Why, it's like shooting fish in a barrel!). Oh, and never mention [=AkuRoku=] if you value your head.



* EVERY ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' game gets this, to some degree. There is a reason why [=OT3=] shippers are coming out of the woodwork for this series. In many cases, they're the fans who have grown sick of the shipping wars and who have decided to TakeAThirdOption.

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* EVERY ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' game gets this, to some degree. There is a reason why [=OT3=] shippers are coming out of the woodwork for this series. In many cases, they're the fans who have grown sick of the shipping wars and who have decided to TakeAThirdOption.TakeAThirdOption:



* ''[[Franchise/AceAttorney Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney]]'': There's plenty of Phoenix/Edgeworth shipping and lots of Phoenix/Maya shipping, both of which are hostile to other ships (Phoenix/Iris for starters) and each other. Yaoi is one of the main common ships, the figurehead being Phoenix x Edgeworth. If one don't ship that or instead has a het ship that '''isn't''' Phoenix x Maya, they'll probably face a nightmare of harassment and ridicule. Also it's best to keep an eye on Mia/Diego shippers, though most are friendly enough if the canonicity of their ship isn't questioned.

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* ''[[Franchise/AceAttorney Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney]]'': Attorney]]'':
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There's plenty of Phoenix/Edgeworth shipping and lots of Phoenix/Maya shipping, both of which are hostile to other ships (Phoenix/Iris for starters) and each other. Yaoi is one of the main common ships, the figurehead being Phoenix x Edgeworth. If one don't ship that or instead has a het ship that '''isn't''' Phoenix x Maya, they'll probably face a nightmare of harassment and ridicule. Also it's best to keep an eye on Mia/Diego shippers, though most are friendly enough if the canonicity of their ship isn't questioned.



* In the ''VideoGame/{{Portal}}'' fandom, you've got Chelldos (Chell/[=GLaDOS=]) vs. Chelley (Chell/Wheatley) vs. Wheatdos ([=GLaDOS=]/Wheatley). And that's just the main trio.
** However, the "shipping war" aspect is generally absent, especially on the ''Portal'' KinkMeme, where they even discussed what fun it might be to get into raging arguments about whether Chell should be with [=GLaDOS=] or Wheatley or neither while other posters tried to appeal for calm, but eventually decided it wouldn't as good as shipping their favourite couples, writing about them and tolerating others to ship and let ship.
* In the ''Franchise/SuperMarioBros'', cannons fire between the [[JustForPun S.S.]] Mario/Peach, Mario/Daisy, and Mario/Rosalina. [[MyFriendsAndZoidberg And then]] [[HoYay there's]] [[IncestYayShipping Mario/Luigi]].

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* In the ''VideoGame/{{Portal}}'' fandom, you've got Chelldos (Chell/[=GLaDOS=]) vs. Chelley (Chell/Wheatley) vs. Wheatdos ([=GLaDOS=]/Wheatley). And that's just the main trio.
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trio. However, the "shipping war" aspect is generally absent, especially on the ''Portal'' KinkMeme, where they even discussed what fun it might be to get into raging arguments about whether Chell should be with [=GLaDOS=] or Wheatley or neither while other posters tried to appeal for calm, but eventually decided it wouldn't as good as shipping their favourite couples, writing about them and tolerating others to ship and let ship.
* In the ''Franchise/SuperMarioBros'', ''Franchise/SuperMarioBros'':
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cannons fire between the [[JustForPun S.S.]] Mario/Peach, Mario/Daisy, Mario/Rosalina, and Mario/Rosalina.Mario/Pauline. [[MyFriendsAndZoidberg And then]] [[HoYay there's]] [[IncestYayShipping Mario/Luigi]].



** Waluigi/Rosalina versus Luigi/Rosalina is a thing that pops up. It doesn't help that most fans of the former ship like Luigi/Daisy, so shipping Luigi with anyone else gets them especially worked up.



* Pretty much comes with territory, in regards to ''VisualNovel/KatawaShoujo''. While [[YamatoNadeshiko Lilly]] and [[ShrinkingViolet Hanako]] have the largest camps, every girl has a strong following. [[StudentCouncilPresident Shizune]] fans in particular can be downright militant in their support, largely as a result of having to constantly battle the {{Hatedom}} the character has developed since release due to the BaseBreaker nature of her route, and [[TheRival her rivalry]] with [[DieForOurShip the much adored Lilly.]]
** On the forums, it's fairly common for posters to rank the routes/girls in their signatures with ">" or "=" signs. For example, Favorite>Second favorite>Tied for third=Tied for third>Least favorite

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* Pretty much comes with territory, in regards to ''VisualNovel/KatawaShoujo''. While [[YamatoNadeshiko Lilly]] and [[ShrinkingViolet Hanako]] have the largest camps, every girl has a strong following. [[StudentCouncilPresident Shizune]] fans in particular can be downright militant in their support, largely as a result of having to constantly battle the {{Hatedom}} the character has developed since release due to the BaseBreaker nature of her route, and [[TheRival her rivalry]] with [[DieForOurShip the much adored Lilly.]]
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]] On the forums, it's fairly common for posters to rank the routes/girls in their signatures with ">" or "=" signs. For example, Favorite>Second favorite>Tied for third=Tied for third>Least favorite



* ''VideoGame/HarvestMoon'' has odd examples of this. The fandom is usually quite nice and pleasant but this can occur when referring to games where the same characters are paired with different people. ''VideoGame/{{Harvest Moon 64}}'' has the rival pairs as: Karen/Kai, Popuri/Gray, Ann/Cliff, Elli/Jeff, and Maria/Harris. ''VideoGame/HarvestMoonBackToNature'' has them as: Karen/Rick, Popuri/Kai, Ann/Cliff, Elli/Doctor, and Mary/Gray. Due to SequelDisplacement the [=BTN=] couples are most popular but it's not too uncommon for complaints about how well they go together.

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* ''VideoGame/HarvestMoon'' ''Franchise/HarvestMoon'':
** ''Harvest Moon''
has odd examples of this. The fandom is usually quite nice and pleasant but this can occur when referring to games where the same characters are paired with different people. ''VideoGame/{{Harvest Moon 64}}'' has the rival pairs as: Karen/Kai, Popuri/Gray, Ann/Cliff, Elli/Jeff, and Maria/Harris. ''VideoGame/HarvestMoonBackToNature'' has them as: Karen/Rick, Popuri/Kai, Ann/Cliff, Elli/Doctor, and Mary/Gray. Due to SequelDisplacement the [=BTN=] couples are most popular but it's not too uncommon for complaints about how well they go together.
23rd Jul '16 6:20:00 PM Pichu-kun
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* Go to any forum about ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'' and you'll find ample discussion about which woman ([[HoYay or man]]) Link should end up with. Given that Link has no real characterization but the player's, and there are multiple Link's, you have to wonder if shipping debates are more about which person the [[PerverseSexualLust player wants to end up with.]]

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* ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'':
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Go to any forum about ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'' and you'll find ample discussion about which woman ([[HoYay or man]]) Link should end up with. Given that Link has no real characterization but the player's, and there are multiple Link's, you have to wonder if shipping debates are more about which person the [[PerverseSexualLust player wants to end up with.]]



** Between Zelda, Malon, Saria, and Ruto, ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime'' was an open invitation for Ship-To-Ship Combat.

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** Between Zelda, Malon, Saria, and Ruto, ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime'' was an open invitation for Ship-To-Ship Combat. One of the weirdest ship to ship rivalries has to be between Link/Zelda fans and Link/Sheik fans. They're ''the same person''. Link/Sheik fans almost always ignore the fact that Sheik is a SweetPollyOliver and make her an individual character from Zelda (or at minimum, a male lter ego that is dissociated from Zelda), which leads to a lot of combat between fans of essentially the same pairing.
6th Jul '16 6:56:39 PM IniuriaTalis
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* VideoGame/{{Yandere Simulator}} has Budo/Ayano vs. Budo/Shin. One blogger was on team Budo/Shin and didn't want to do requests that involved Budo/Ayano. This led to haters sending her massive amounts of hate, and some even went so far as to send her pictures of dead animals. Considering that this spawned from a game where you kill people for your love interest's affection, it wasn't too out of place in a fandom like this.

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* VideoGame/{{Yandere Simulator}} ''VideoGame/YandereSimulator'' has Budo/Ayano vs. Budo/Shin. One blogger was on team Budo/Shin and didn't want to do requests that involved Budo/Ayano. This led to haters sending her massive amounts of hate, and some even went so far as to send her pictures of dead animals. Considering that this spawned from a game where you kill people for your love interest's affection, it wasn't too out of place in a fandom like this.
30th Jun '16 9:28:12 PM galaxyegg
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** Since Frisk [[AmbiguousGender has no official gender]], Frisk can be essentially [[LauncherOfAThousandShips paired with anyone]], the most popular of which tends to be with Sans or Asriel with Frisk being a teenage-adult woman. While not terribly huge on wars, Asriel x Frisk shippers clash with Sans x Frisk shippers, with [[WordOfGod Toby Fox outright explaining Sans would be too lazy to ever commit to any relationship]], and Asriel not being a valid option [[spoiler:given he returns to being Flowey after you close the game]]

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** Since Frisk [[AmbiguousGender has no official gender]], Frisk can be essentially [[LauncherOfAThousandShips paired with anyone]], the most popular of which tends to be with Sans or Asriel with Frisk being a teenage-adult woman. While not terribly huge on wars, Asriel x Frisk shippers clash with Sans x Frisk shippers, with [[WordOfGod Toby Fox outright explaining Sans would be too lazy to ever commit to any relationship]], and Asriel not being a valid option [[spoiler:given he returns to being Flowey after you close the game]]game]]
* VideoGame/{{Yandere Simulator}} has Budo/Ayano vs. Budo/Shin. One blogger was on team Budo/Shin and didn't want to do requests that involved Budo/Ayano. This led to haters sending her massive amounts of hate, and some even went so far as to send her pictures of dead animals. Considering that this spawned from a game where you kill people for your love interest's affection, it wasn't too out of place in a fandom like this.
29th Mar '16 5:43:06 AM fobarimperius
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** Since Frisk has no official gender, Frisk can be essentially paired with anyone, the most popular of which tends to be with Sans or Asriel with Frisk being a teenage-adult woman. While not terribly huge on wars, Asriel x Frisk shippers clash with Sans x Frisk shippers, with [[WordOfGod Toby Fox outright explaining Sans would be too lazy to ever commit to any relationship]], and Asriel not being a valid option [[spoiler:given he returns to being Flowey after you close the game]]

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** Since Frisk [[AmbiguousGender has no official gender, gender]], Frisk can be essentially [[LauncherOfAThousandShips paired with anyone, anyone]], the most popular of which tends to be with Sans or Asriel with Frisk being a teenage-adult woman. While not terribly huge on wars, Asriel x Frisk shippers clash with Sans x Frisk shippers, with [[WordOfGod Toby Fox outright explaining Sans would be too lazy to ever commit to any relationship]], and Asriel not being a valid option [[spoiler:given he returns to being Flowey after you close the game]]
29th Mar '16 5:26:38 AM fobarimperius
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* ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'' has Toriel/Sans vs. Toriel/[[spoiler: Asgore]], though thankfully the shipping debates are relatively tame and haven't gotten bloody... [[TemptingFate Yet.]]

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* ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'' has Toriel/Sans vs. Toriel/[[spoiler: Asgore]], though thankfully the shipping debates are relatively tame and haven't gotten bloody... [[TemptingFate Yet.]]]]
** [[OfficialCouple Undyne x Alphys]] seems to be the only couple that the fandom allows Undyne to be put with. Suggesting Undyne x Papyrus or Asgore x Alphys (both of which, while not official, do have some explanation for their existence) is essentially grounds for being called out on either being [[StrawmanFallacy homophobic]] or trying to change the canon.
** Since Frisk has no official gender, Frisk can be essentially paired with anyone, the most popular of which tends to be with Sans or Asriel with Frisk being a teenage-adult woman. While not terribly huge on wars, Asriel x Frisk shippers clash with Sans x Frisk shippers, with [[WordOfGod Toby Fox outright explaining Sans would be too lazy to ever commit to any relationship]], and Asriel not being a valid option [[spoiler:given he returns to being Flowey after you close the game]]
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