History ShipToShipCombat / LiveActionTV

16th Mar '18 3:14:23 AM LondonKdS
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** Then there's all the fun that goes on between [[NerdsAreSexy Wesley/Fred]] vs. [[SaltAndPepper Gunn/Fred]] vs. [[HoYay Wesley/Gunn]] vs. [[DatingCatwoman Wesley/Lilah]] vs. [[DoppelgangerReplacementLoveInterest Wesley/Illyria]] vs. you-get-the-bloody-point shippers.

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** Then there's all the fun that goes on between [[NerdsAreSexy Wesley/Fred]] vs. [[SaltAndPepper [[UptownGirl Gunn/Fred]] vs. [[HoYay Wesley/Gunn]] vs. [[DatingCatwoman Wesley/Lilah]] vs. [[DoppelgangerReplacementLoveInterest Wesley/Illyria]] vs. you-get-the-bloody-point shippers.
12th Mar '18 12:14:40 PM TheSaddleman
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** Of course, there are all of the people who think that the Doctor is {{asexual}}, never mind that there was a one shot LoveInterest as early as in the episode "The Aztecs" in first season ever back in 1963 and the Third Doctor showed undisguised (if unrequited) interest in Jo Grant in the early 1970s. There have also been a few arguments between fans of Nine/Rose and Ten/Rose (and yes, even Eleven/Rose). Daleks? Aim for the eyestalk. Sontarans? Back of the neck. Shippers? Run. Just run.
*** Many fans ship Doctor/Companion no matter what, and god forbid anyone who dares to disrupt this. Mickey Smith, Joan Redfern (to a small degree), River Song, and Rory Williams are often victims of this, along with any companion who is not Rose.
*** The Rose vs. Martha vitriol has some hilarious examples [[http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/1111557.html here]], but they were [[http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/935985.html#cutid1 wanking even pre-Martha]], which can pretty much be summarized by [[http://i.imgur.com/I17zn.jpg this bingo scorecard]] a user named nostalgia drew up.
*** As of Series Nine there are already some rumblings between Twelve/Missy and Twelve/Clara shippers. The actual on-screen content suggests that Moffat is following Davies in viewing Doctor/Master as the show's actual eternal {{OTP}}.
*** There are often fights between shippers of Whouffle or Whouffaldi (Doctor/Clara) and Yowzah (Doctor/River), over the Doctor's 11th and 12th incarnations.
*** The above was cranked UpToEleven when River Song, despite having been BackForTheDead ''and'' PutOnABus ''and'' KilledOffForReal in Series 7, suddenly returned in the 2015 Christmas Special, "The Husbands of River Song", which resulted in a romantic interlude with her husband, the Twelfth Doctor. Which was all fine if not for the fact said episode aired three weeks after the conclusion of an epic and tragic romance - that had played out since River's apparent fadeout - between the Doctor (Eleventh and Twelfth) and Clara Oswald. Coupled with ageism from those who felt that it was more appropriate for 50-something Peter Capaldi to romance 50-something Alex Kingston on screen than late-20s Jenna Coleman, and a bit of speciesism given that River is said to be half Time-Lord and long-lived, whereas Clara was merely human, with a regular life span (well, until the Doctor made her immortal, at least). Not only did the two rival ships' fans go to full-scale war over who the Doctor loved more, this carried over for ''a full year'' and beyond when the 2016 Christmas special invoked River, not Clara. (Despite this being due to the fact the show established that the Doctor had undergone a voluntary MindRape and lost all memory of having been in love with Clara, and both the 2015 and 2016 specials containing subtle hints that Clara's influence carried over into the Doctor's interactions with and regarding River.) The announcement that the series was going to GenderSwap the Thirteenth Doctor appears to have little impact, given that both River and Clara (as Oswin) were established as having attractions to women in the very first episodes they appeared in. Twelve's swansong only fanned the flames when [[spoiler: River was omitted totally and the last person the Doctor saw before he underwent his GenderSwap was Clara, his memories fully restored of her at the end.]]

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** Of course, there are all of the people who think that the Doctor is {{asexual}}, never mind that there was a one shot LoveInterest as early as in the episode "The Aztecs" in first season ever back in 1963 and the Third Doctor showed undisguised (if unrequited) interest in Jo Grant in the early 1970s. The [[BrokenBase base-obliterating]] decision to GenderSwap the Doctor in 2017 has empowered those who feel that all shipping is invalid because it, to them, has proven the Doctor's asexuality. Creating therefore ''another'' front in the shipping wars between this view and the view held by some that the Doctor is simply bisexual.
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There have also been a few arguments between fans of Nine/Rose and Ten/Rose (and yes, even Eleven/Rose). Daleks? Aim for the eyestalk. Sontarans? Back of the neck. Shippers? Run. Just run.
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Many fans ship Doctor/Companion no matter what, and god forbid anyone who dares to disrupt this. Mickey Smith, Joan Redfern (to a small degree), River Song, and Rory Williams are often victims of this, along with any companion who is not Rose.
*** ** The Rose vs. Martha vitriol has some hilarious examples [[http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/1111557.html here]], but they were [[http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/935985.html#cutid1 wanking even pre-Martha]], which can pretty much be summarized by [[http://i.imgur.com/I17zn.jpg this bingo scorecard]] a user named nostalgia drew up.
*** ** As of Series Nine there are already some rumblings between Twelve/Missy and Twelve/Clara shippers. The actual on-screen content suggests that Moffat is following Davies in viewing Doctor/Master as the show's actual eternal {{OTP}}.
*** ** There are often fights between shippers of Whouffle or Whouffaldi (Doctor/Clara) and Yowzah (Doctor/River), over the Doctor's 11th and 12th incarnations.
*** ** The above was cranked UpToEleven when River Song, despite having been BackForTheDead ''and'' PutOnABus ''and'' KilledOffForReal in Series 7, suddenly returned in the 2015 Christmas Special, "The Husbands of River Song", which resulted in a romantic interlude with her husband, the Twelfth Doctor. Which was all fine if not for the fact said episode aired three weeks after the conclusion of an epic and tragic romance - that had played out since River's apparent fadeout - between the Doctor (Eleventh and Twelfth) and Clara Oswald. Coupled with ageism from those who felt that it was more appropriate for 50-something Peter Capaldi to romance 50-something Alex Kingston on screen than late-20s Jenna Coleman, and a bit of speciesism given that River is said to be half Time-Lord and long-lived, whereas Clara was merely human, with a regular life span (well, until the Doctor made her immortal, at least). Not only did the two rival ships' fans go to full-scale war over who the Doctor loved more, this carried over for ''a full year'' and beyond when the 2016 Christmas special invoked River, not Clara. (Despite this being due to the fact the show established that the Doctor had undergone a voluntary MindRape and lost all memory of having been in love with Clara, and both the 2015 and 2016 specials containing subtle hints that Clara's influence carried over into the Doctor's interactions with and regarding River.) The announcement that the series was going to GenderSwap the Thirteenth Doctor appears to have little impact, given that both River and Clara (as Oswin) were established as having attractions to women in the very first episodes they appeared in. Twelve's swansong only fanned the flames when [[spoiler: River was omitted totally and the last person the Doctor saw before he underwent his GenderSwap was Clara, his memories fully restored of her at the end.]]
2nd Mar '18 5:42:35 PM DrOO7
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* ''Series/{{Passions}}'': Do NOT mention Sheridan and Luis to a Fancy and Luis fan and [[SeriousBusiness DEFINITELY DO NOT mention Fancy and Luis]] to a Sheridan and Luis fan.

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* With their omnipresent [[LoveTriangle love triangles]] and [[SuperCouple super couples]], [[SoapOpera soaps]] are the source of some of the most heated shipping wars in existence, and the extremes that some shippers go to can get pretty damned creepy:
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''Series/{{Passions}}'': Do NOT mention Sheridan and Luis to a Fancy and Luis fan and [[SeriousBusiness DEFINITELY DO NOT mention Fancy and Luis]] to a Sheridan and Luis fan.fan.
** ''Series/AsTheWorldTurns'' has the Luke/Noah shippers vs. Luke/Reid shippers. Mention the Nuke's borderline DestructiveRomance or Reid's DrJerk persona and you'll be brutally attacked. [[DieForOurShip It doesn't end well for Reid.]]
** [[Series/TheBoldAndTheBeautiful Brooke/Ridge vs. Taylor/Ridge]] and [[Series/GeneralHospital Brenda/Jax vs. Brenda/Sonny]] have been going on for ''two decades''.



* {{Soap Opera}}s in general are the source of some of the most heated shipping wars in existence, and the extremes that some shippers go to can get pretty damned creepy.



* ''Series/AsTheWorldTurns'' has the Luke/Noah shippers vs. Luke/Reid shippers. Mention the Nuke's borderline DestructiveRomance or Reid's DrJerk persona and you'll be brutally attacked. [[DieForOurShip It doesn't end well for Reid.]]



* ''Series/JessicaJones2015'' and ''Series/LukeCage2016'' have seen some ship combat between Luke/Jessica and Luke/Claire, both of which are canon pairings at different points in the comics the shows are based on.

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* ''Series/JessicaJones2015'' and ''Series/LukeCage2016'' have seen some ship combat between Luke/Jessica and Luke/Claire, both of which are canon pairings at different points in the comics the shows are based on.on.
* ''Series/{{ER}}'' had a decent one of Luka/Abby vs. Carter/Abby.
* Even though both "pairings" were actually just UnresolvedSexualTension, there's a mild [[Series/LawAndOrderUK Matt/Alesha vs. James/Alesha]] debate.
10th Feb '18 4:16:47 AM LinTaylor
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** ''Series/KamenRiderOOO'': Eiji/Hina vs [[FoeYay Ankh/Hina]] vs [[VitriolicBestBuds Ankh/Eiji]]. There's also some conflict between those who think [[CreepyChild Mezool]] / [[PsychopathicManchild Gamel]] would be adorable, and those who find it creepy since Mezool is a pre-teen girl in her human form.

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** ''Series/KamenRiderOOO'': Eiji/Hina vs [[FoeYay Ankh/Hina]] vs [[VitriolicBestBuds Ankh/Eiji]].Ankh/Eiji]][[note]]Adding a potentially uncomfortable aspect to this, Ankh's human form comes from [[BrotherSisterIncest Hina's brother Shingo]][[/note]]. There's also some conflict between those who think [[CreepyChild Mezool]] / [[PsychopathicManchild Gamel]] would be adorable, and those who find it creepy since Mezool is a pre-teen girl in her human form.


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** ''Series/UchuSentaiKyuranger'' has another "yes versus no" example, with the debates between fans who see Lucky and Garu's relationship as [[HoYay romantic]] and those who simply see it as [[ABoyAndHisDog A Boy and His Anthropomorphic Dog]].
3rd Feb '18 9:54:23 PM NOYB
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*** The above was cranked UpToEleven when River Song, despite having been BackForTheDead ''and'' PutOnABus ''and'' KilledOffForReal in Series 7, suddenly returned in the 2015 Christmas Special, "The Husbands of River Song", which resulted in a romantic interlude with her husband, the Twelfth Doctor. Which was all fine if not for the fact said episode aired three weeks after the conclusion of an epic and tragic romance - that had played out since River's apparent fadeout - between the Doctor (Eleventh and Twelfth) and Clara Oswald. Coupled with ageism from those who felt that it was more appropriate for 50-something Peter Capaldi to romance 50-something Alex Kingston on screen than late-20s Jenna Coleman, and a bit of speciesism given that River is said to be half Time-Lord and long-lived, whereas Clara was merely human, with a regular life span (well, until the Doctor made her immortal, at least). Not only did the two rival ships' fans go to full-scale war over who the Doctor loved more, this carried over for ''a full year'' and beyond when the 2016 Christmas special invoked River, not Clara. (Despite this being due to the fact the show established that the Doctor had undergone a voluntary MindRape and lost all memory of having been in love with Clara, and both the 2015 and 2016 specials containing subtle hints that Clara's influence carried over into the Doctor's interactions with and regarding River.) The announcement that the series was going to GenderSwap the Thirteenth Doctor appears to have little impact, given that both River and Clara were established as having attractions to women in the very first episodes they appeared in. Twelve's swansong only fanned the flames when [[spoiler: River was omitted totally and the last person the Doctor saw before he underwent his GenderSwap was Clara, his memories fully restored of her at the end.]]

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*** The above was cranked UpToEleven when River Song, despite having been BackForTheDead ''and'' PutOnABus ''and'' KilledOffForReal in Series 7, suddenly returned in the 2015 Christmas Special, "The Husbands of River Song", which resulted in a romantic interlude with her husband, the Twelfth Doctor. Which was all fine if not for the fact said episode aired three weeks after the conclusion of an epic and tragic romance - that had played out since River's apparent fadeout - between the Doctor (Eleventh and Twelfth) and Clara Oswald. Coupled with ageism from those who felt that it was more appropriate for 50-something Peter Capaldi to romance 50-something Alex Kingston on screen than late-20s Jenna Coleman, and a bit of speciesism given that River is said to be half Time-Lord and long-lived, whereas Clara was merely human, with a regular life span (well, until the Doctor made her immortal, at least). Not only did the two rival ships' fans go to full-scale war over who the Doctor loved more, this carried over for ''a full year'' and beyond when the 2016 Christmas special invoked River, not Clara. (Despite this being due to the fact the show established that the Doctor had undergone a voluntary MindRape and lost all memory of having been in love with Clara, and both the 2015 and 2016 specials containing subtle hints that Clara's influence carried over into the Doctor's interactions with and regarding River.) The announcement that the series was going to GenderSwap the Thirteenth Doctor appears to have little impact, given that both River and Clara (as Oswin) were established as having attractions to women in the very first episodes they appeared in. Twelve's swansong only fanned the flames when [[spoiler: River was omitted totally and the last person the Doctor saw before he underwent his GenderSwap was Clara, his memories fully restored of her at the end.]]
3rd Feb '18 9:53:42 PM NOYB
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*** The above was cranked UpToEleven when River Song, despite having been BackForTheDead ''and'' PutOnABus ''and'' KilledOffForReal in Series 7, suddenly returned in the 2015 Christmas Special, "The Husbands of River Song", which resulted in a romantic interlude with her husband, the Twelfth Doctor. Which was all fine if not for the fact said episode aired three weeks after the conclusion of an epic and tragic romance - that had played out since River's apparent fadeout - between the Doctor (Eleventh and Twelfth) and Clara Oswald. Coupled with ageism from those who felt that it was more appropriate for 50-something Peter Capaldi to romance 50-something Alex Kingston on screen than late-20s Jenna Coleman, and a bit of speciesism given that River is said to be half Time-Lord and long-lived, whereas Clara was merely human, with a regular life span (well, until the Doctor made her immortal, at least). Not only did the two rival ships' fans go to full-scale war over who the Doctor loved more, this carried over for ''a full year'' and beyond when the 2016 Christmas special invoked River, not Clara. (Despite this being due to the fact the show established that the Doctor had undergone a voluntary MindRape and lost all memory of having been in love with Clara, and both the 2015 and 2016 specials containing subtle hints that Clara's influence carried over into the Doctor's interactions with and regarding River.) The announcement that the series was going to GenderSwap the Thirteenth Doctor appears to have little impact, given that both River and Clara underwent eleventh-hour retcons to establish them as bisexual anyway. Twelve's swansong only fanned the flames when [[spoiler: River was omitted totally and the last person the Doctor saw before he underwent his GenderSwap was Clara, his memories fully restored of her at the end.]]

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*** The above was cranked UpToEleven when River Song, despite having been BackForTheDead ''and'' PutOnABus ''and'' KilledOffForReal in Series 7, suddenly returned in the 2015 Christmas Special, "The Husbands of River Song", which resulted in a romantic interlude with her husband, the Twelfth Doctor. Which was all fine if not for the fact said episode aired three weeks after the conclusion of an epic and tragic romance - that had played out since River's apparent fadeout - between the Doctor (Eleventh and Twelfth) and Clara Oswald. Coupled with ageism from those who felt that it was more appropriate for 50-something Peter Capaldi to romance 50-something Alex Kingston on screen than late-20s Jenna Coleman, and a bit of speciesism given that River is said to be half Time-Lord and long-lived, whereas Clara was merely human, with a regular life span (well, until the Doctor made her immortal, at least). Not only did the two rival ships' fans go to full-scale war over who the Doctor loved more, this carried over for ''a full year'' and beyond when the 2016 Christmas special invoked River, not Clara. (Despite this being due to the fact the show established that the Doctor had undergone a voluntary MindRape and lost all memory of having been in love with Clara, and both the 2015 and 2016 specials containing subtle hints that Clara's influence carried over into the Doctor's interactions with and regarding River.) The announcement that the series was going to GenderSwap the Thirteenth Doctor appears to have little impact, given that both River and Clara underwent eleventh-hour retcons were established as having attractions to establish them as bisexual anyway.women in the very first episodes they appeared in. Twelve's swansong only fanned the flames when [[spoiler: River was omitted totally and the last person the Doctor saw before he underwent his GenderSwap was Clara, his memories fully restored of her at the end.]]
3rd Feb '18 9:51:01 PM NOYB
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* With the advent of its seventh season, ''Series/{{Game of Thrones}}'' fandom has entered into a shipping war that is slowly but surely gaining momentum. In an interesting case of IncestYayShipping by both sides, the Jonsa (Jon Snow/Sansa Stark) shippers have come into direct conflict with the Jonerys (Jon Snow/Daenerys Targaryen) shippers. The Jonsa fans were invigorated by the chemistry between Jon and Sansa in the sixth season, but have since lost their marbles now that Jon has finally met Daenerys (a long-desired fan wish) and appears taken with her.

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* With the advent of its seventh season, ''Series/{{Game of Thrones}}'' fandom has entered into a shipping war that is slowly but surely gaining momentum. In an interesting case of IncestYayShipping by both sides, the Jonsa (Jon Snow/Sansa Stark) shippers have come into direct conflict with the Jonerys (Jon Snow/Daenerys Targaryen) shippers. The Jonsa fans were invigorated by the chemistry between Jon and Sansa in the sixth season, but have since lost their marbles now that Jon has finally met Daenerys (a long-desired fan wish) and wish), appears taken with her.her, and [[spoiler:in the season finale, they do the deed]]. The two sides argue about which ship is more incestuous. Although Jon is a few months older than Dany, he is, unbeknownst to either of them, the son of her brother Rhaegar Targaryen. Jon and Sansa are biologically cousins, as Jon's mother was Sansa's aunt Lyanna Stark, but they grew up believing they were half-siblings because Jon was raised as Eddard Stark's bastard son. Of course, either way, incest isn't new in Seven Kingdoms noble houses.
11th Jan '18 9:03:10 AM TheSaddleman
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*** The above was cranked UpToEleven when River Song, despite having been BackForTheDead ''and'' PutOnABus ''and'' KilledOffForReal in Series 7, suddenly returned in the 2015 Christmas Special, "The Husbands of River Song", which resulted in a romantic interlude with her husband, the Twelfth Doctor. Which was all fine if not for the fact said episode aired three weeks after the conclusion of an epic and tragic romance - that had played out since River's apparent fadeout - between the Doctor (Eleventh and Twelfth) and Clara Oswald. Coupled with ageism from those who felt that it was more appropriate for 50-something Peter Capaldi to romance 50-something Alex Kingston on screen than late-20s Jenna Coleman, and a bit of speciesism given that River is said to be half Time-Lord and long-lived, whereas Clara was merely human, with a regular life span (well, until the Doctor made her immortal, at least). Not only did the two rival ships' fans go to full-scale war over who the Doctor loved more, this carried over for ''a full year'' and beyond when the 2016 Christmas special invoked River, not Clara. (Despite this being due to the fact the show established that the Doctor had undergone a voluntary MindRape and lost all memory of having been in love with Clara, and both the 2015 and 2016 specials containing subtle hints that Clara's influence carried over into the Doctor's interactions with and regarding River.) The announcement that the series was going to GenderSwap the Thirteenth Doctor appears to have little impact, given that both River and Clara underwent eleventh-hour retcons to establish them as bisexual.

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*** The above was cranked UpToEleven when River Song, despite having been BackForTheDead ''and'' PutOnABus ''and'' KilledOffForReal in Series 7, suddenly returned in the 2015 Christmas Special, "The Husbands of River Song", which resulted in a romantic interlude with her husband, the Twelfth Doctor. Which was all fine if not for the fact said episode aired three weeks after the conclusion of an epic and tragic romance - that had played out since River's apparent fadeout - between the Doctor (Eleventh and Twelfth) and Clara Oswald. Coupled with ageism from those who felt that it was more appropriate for 50-something Peter Capaldi to romance 50-something Alex Kingston on screen than late-20s Jenna Coleman, and a bit of speciesism given that River is said to be half Time-Lord and long-lived, whereas Clara was merely human, with a regular life span (well, until the Doctor made her immortal, at least). Not only did the two rival ships' fans go to full-scale war over who the Doctor loved more, this carried over for ''a full year'' and beyond when the 2016 Christmas special invoked River, not Clara. (Despite this being due to the fact the show established that the Doctor had undergone a voluntary MindRape and lost all memory of having been in love with Clara, and both the 2015 and 2016 specials containing subtle hints that Clara's influence carried over into the Doctor's interactions with and regarding River.) The announcement that the series was going to GenderSwap the Thirteenth Doctor appears to have little impact, given that both River and Clara underwent eleventh-hour retcons to establish them as bisexual.bisexual anyway. Twelve's swansong only fanned the flames when [[spoiler: River was omitted totally and the last person the Doctor saw before he underwent his GenderSwap was Clara, his memories fully restored of her at the end.]]
6th Jan '18 3:46:55 AM RedScharlach
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* ''Series/{{Friends}}''' final seasons had Ross/Rachel versus Joey/Rachel with Ross and Rachel fans citing the nine years of history between them, and Joey and Rachel fans arguing their personalities were more compatible. Most fans just rolled their eyes, tired of Rachel's [[{{RomanticPlotTumour}} romantic entaglements]]. There are still arguments today but they're pretty mild considering Ross/Rachel were end game (as most fans expected) and the Joey/Rachel relationship faded into non-existence. There's also (pretty civil) debate about whether Phoebe should have choson Mike, David or Joey.
** One of the oddest ship wars took place between Ross/Rachel and Monica/Chandler. From Season 5 onwards fans argued over not who belonged together (both pairings worked seperately) but which couple was "better". Ross/Rachel fans again armed themselves with history, their super couple status, WillTheyOrWontThey plotlines, their illegitimate baby, marriage (...and divorce) and endless pining. Monica/Chandler fans pointed out their couple actually made each other happy and stayed together.

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* ''Series/{{Friends}}''' final seasons had Ross/Rachel versus Joey/Rachel with Ross and Rachel fans citing the nine years of history between them, and Joey and Rachel fans arguing their personalities were more compatible. Most fans just rolled their eyes, tired of Rachel's [[{{RomanticPlotTumour}} romantic entaglements]]. There are still arguments today but they're pretty mild considering Ross/Rachel were end game (as most fans expected) and the Joey/Rachel relationship faded into non-existence. There's also (pretty civil) debate about whether Phoebe should have choson chosen Mike, David or Joey.
** One of the oddest ship wars took place between Ross/Rachel and Monica/Chandler. From Season 5 onwards fans argued over not who belonged together (both pairings worked seperately) separately) but which couple was "better". Ross/Rachel fans again armed themselves with history, their super couple status, WillTheyOrWontThey plotlines, their illegitimate baby, marriage (...and divorce) and endless pining. Monica/Chandler fans pointed out their couple actually made each other happy and stayed together.






*** The above was cranked UpToEleven when River Song, despite having been BackForTheDead ''and'' PutOnABus ''and'' KilledOffForReal in Series 7, suddenly returned in the 2015 Christmas Special, "The Husbands of River Song", which resulted in a romantic interlude with her husband, the Twelfth Doctor. Which was all fine if not for the fact said episode aired three weeks after the conclusion of an epic and tragic romance - that had played out since River's apparent fadeout - between the Doctor (Eleventh and Twelfth) and Clara Oswald. Coupled with ageism from those who felt that it was more appropriate for 50-something Peter Capaldi to romance 50-something Alex Kingston on screen than late-20s Jenna Coleman, and a bit of speciesism given that River is said to be half Time-Lord and long-lived, whereas Clara was merely human, with a regular life span (well, until the Doctor made her immortal, at least). Not only did two rival ship's fans go to full-scale war over who the Doctor loved more, this carried over for ''a full year'' and beyond when the 2016 Christmas special invoked River, not Clara. (Despite this being due to the fact the show established that the Doctor had undergone a voluntary MindRape and lost all memory of having been in love with Clara, and both the 2015 and 2016 specials containing subtle hints that Clara's influence carried over into the Doctor's interactions with and regarding River.) The announcement that the series was going to GenderSwap the Thirteenth Doctor appears to have little impact, given that both River and Clara underwent eleventh-hour retcons to establish them as bisexual.
* ''Series/{{Hannibal}}'': Hannigram vs. Hannibal/Clarice. A one-sided battle as of early season 2, since most of the Hannibal/Will faction has never even heard of the earlier ship much less feels any need to fight with it, while the NMSL crowd is, um, zealous.

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*** The above was cranked UpToEleven when River Song, despite having been BackForTheDead ''and'' PutOnABus ''and'' KilledOffForReal in Series 7, suddenly returned in the 2015 Christmas Special, "The Husbands of River Song", which resulted in a romantic interlude with her husband, the Twelfth Doctor. Which was all fine if not for the fact said episode aired three weeks after the conclusion of an epic and tragic romance - that had played out since River's apparent fadeout - between the Doctor (Eleventh and Twelfth) and Clara Oswald. Coupled with ageism from those who felt that it was more appropriate for 50-something Peter Capaldi to romance 50-something Alex Kingston on screen than late-20s Jenna Coleman, and a bit of speciesism given that River is said to be half Time-Lord and long-lived, whereas Clara was merely human, with a regular life span (well, until the Doctor made her immortal, at least). Not only did the two rival ship's ships' fans go to full-scale war over who the Doctor loved more, this carried over for ''a full year'' and beyond when the 2016 Christmas special invoked River, not Clara. (Despite this being due to the fact the show established that the Doctor had undergone a voluntary MindRape and lost all memory of having been in love with Clara, and both the 2015 and 2016 specials containing subtle hints that Clara's influence carried over into the Doctor's interactions with and regarding River.) The announcement that the series was going to GenderSwap the Thirteenth Doctor appears to have little impact, given that both River and Clara underwent eleventh-hour retcons to establish them as bisexual.
* ''Series/{{Hannibal}}'': Hannigram vs. Hannibal/Clarice. A one-sided battle as of early season 2, since most of the Hannibal/Will faction has never even heard of the earlier ship much less feels any need to fight with over it, while the NMSL crowd is, um, zealous.



** And in Season Five, the writters decided to add Suliet into the mix.

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** And in Season Five, the writters writers decided to add Suliet into the mix.
23rd Dec '17 8:15:37 AM dmcreif
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** Karen Page is also given a case of this, with combat between the [[OfficialCouple Matt Murdock/Karen Page]] crowd and the [[CrackPairing Karen Page/Frank Castle]] crowd.

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** Karen Page is also given a case of this, with combat between the [[OfficialCouple Matt Murdock/Karen Page]] crowd and the [[CrackPairing Karen Page/Frank Castle]] crowd.crowd, over whether Matt or Frank would be a better boyfriend for Karen.
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