History Series / TheTudors

16th Sep '17 3:59:16 PM nombretomado
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* TheRenaissance
22nd Aug '17 8:41:33 PM Fireblood
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* RefusalOfTheCall: Robert Aske

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* RefusalOfTheCall: Robert AskeAske.



** Thomas Moore: Politician, writer of Utopia, friend of Erasmus and diplomat. His daughter Margaret, who was one of the greatest Latin experts in England, too.

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** Thomas Moore: Politician, writer of Utopia, ''{{Literature/Utopia}}'', friend of Erasmus and diplomat. His daughter Margaret, who was one of the greatest Latin experts in England, too.



** And let's not forget Catherine Parr

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** And let's not forget Catherine Parr Parr.



** Cromwell became a victim of this. Protestants and catholics did too, as Chapuys highlights in a letter to the emperor.

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** Cromwell became a victim of this. Protestants and catholics Catholics did too, as Chapuys highlights in a letter to the emperor.



** The worst example is probably the treatment Marguerite de Navarre received. In reality, she was a very intellectual and brave woman, who was a gifted writer and also travelled tirelessly to get her brother Francis freed when he had been taken captive at Pavia. Anne Boleyn was greatly influenced by her, and would as queen write that seeing her again was her greatest wish next to having a son. In the series, Marguerite is portrayed as TheDitz, who sleeps with Henry right after meeting him.

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** The worst example is probably the treatment Marguerite de Navarre received. In reality, she was a very intellectual and brave woman, who was a gifted writer and also travelled traveled tirelessly to get her brother Francis freed when he had been taken captive at Pavia. Anne Boleyn was greatly influenced by her, and would as queen write that seeing her again was her greatest wish next to having a son. In the series, Marguerite is portrayed as TheDitz, who sleeps with Henry right after meeting him.



* VillainProtagonist: Henry VIII

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* VillainProtagonist: Henry VIIIVIII.
22nd Aug '17 8:23:28 PM Fireblood
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* MySisterIsOffLimits: Played straight with Charles Brandon and Princess Margaret. Interestingly enough, it was played more straight ''before'' Brandon and Margaret hooked up, when Henry asks Brandon to take her to Portugal. After they get married, Harry is more upset at the fact that Brandon didn't ask for his permission as king and acted behind his back than because the wife in case is his sister.

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* MySisterIsOffLimits: Played straight with Charles Brandon and Princess Margaret. Interestingly enough, it was played more straight ''before'' Brandon and Margaret hooked up, when Henry asks Brandon to take her to Portugal. After they get married, Harry is more upset at the fact that Brandon didn't ask for his permission as king and acted behind his back than because the wife in this case is his sister.



* OnlyFriend: Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk is Henry's oldest friend and trusted confidante. He retained the King's favor for forty years and died peacefully, unlike pretty much everyone else of note in the royal court at the time. Fittingly, Henry Cavill is the only actor besides Jonathan Rhys Meyers to appear in every episode.

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* OnlyFriend: Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk Suffolk, is Henry's oldest friend and trusted confidante. He retained the King's favor for forty years and died peacefully, unlike pretty much everyone else of note in the royal court at the time. Fittingly, Henry Cavill is the only actor besides Jonathan Rhys Meyers to appear in every episode.
22nd Aug '17 8:14:05 PM Fireblood
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* ArtisticLicenseHistory: The show has UsefulNotes/ThomasMore being drawn on a hurdle to his execution. In real life this only happened if you were being hung, drawn and quartered; More's sentence had been reduced to simple beheading. Wolsley died of a fever, not suicide. These are just two of many changes from history.

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* ArtisticLicenseHistory: The show has UsefulNotes/ThomasMore being drawn on a hurdle to his execution. In real life this only happened if you were being hung, drawn and quartered; More's sentence had been reduced to simple beheading. Wolsley died of a fever, not suicide.suicide (although this was one is portrayed as being covered up). These are just two of many changes from history.
22nd Aug '17 8:10:31 PM Fireblood
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** Thomas More uses Henry's own arguments in defense of Catholics to defend himself. Henry indeed had done this, attacking Luther in print and was named Defender of the Faith by the Pope for it (a title the British monarchs carry to this day).

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** Thomas More uses Henry's own arguments in defense of Catholics Catholicism to defend himself. Henry indeed had done this, attacking Luther in print and was named Defender of the Faith by the Pope for it (a title the British monarchs carry to this day).
22nd Aug '17 8:07:22 PM Fireblood
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** Thomas More uses Henry's own arguments in defense of Catholics to defend himself. Henry indeed had done this, attacking Luther in print and was named Defender of the Faith by the Pope for it (a title the British monarchs carry to this day).



* KangarooCourt: Anyone who Henry thinks is against him but is too prominent to simply destroy (such as Thomas More, Anne Boleyn, Thomas Cromwell and the Earl of Surrey) are subjected to such trials, Cromwell and Anne Boleyn are not even allowed to speak in their own defence.

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* KangarooCourt: Anyone who Henry thinks is against him but is too prominent to simply destroy (such as Thomas More, Anne Boleyn, Thomas Cromwell and the Earl of Surrey) are subjected to such trials, Cromwell and Anne Boleyn are not even allowed to speak in their own defence.[[note]]This was actually standard then-the accused lacked any right to speak, call witnesses, question prosecution witnesses, or have an attorney. It's not for nothing those are in the Bill of Rights.[[/note]]
22nd Aug '17 7:57:54 PM Fireblood
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** Mary had her father's red hair, not dark brown -- not surprising as her mother also had reddish hair.

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** Mary had her father's red hair, not dark brown -- - not surprising as her mother also had reddish hair.



** Any bad guy who is executed, in general. Especially those who are hanged, drawn and quartered.

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** Any bad guy who is executed, in general. Especially those who are hanged, drawn and quartered.quarted.



** The Treaty of Perpetual Peace in the pilot episode. A ridiculous application of 21st century mores to the Renaissance, right? Nope, they actually tried it.

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** The Treaty of Perpetual Peace in the pilot episode. A ridiculous application of 21st century mores to the Renaissance, Rennaisance, right? Nope, they actually tried it.



* ArtisticLicenseHistory: The show has UsefulNotes/ThomasMore being drawn on a hurdle to his execution. In real life this only happened if you were being hung, drawn and quartered; More's sentence had been reduced to simple beheading. Wolsey died of a fever, not suicide. These are just two of many changes from history.

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* ArtisticLicenseHistory: The show has UsefulNotes/ThomasMore being drawn on a hurdle to his execution. In real life this only happened if you were being hung, drawn and quartered; More's sentence had been reduced to simple beheading. Wolsey Wolsley died of a fever, not suicide. These are just two of many changes from history.



** Mark Smeaton definitely is. George is an open question because in season 1 he definitely seemed to enjoy sex with women in at least one instance -- funnily enough, with the sisters who later were caught up with Thomas Tallis. It's quite possible he just didn't like his wife.

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** Mark Smeaton definitely is. George is an open question because in season 1 he definitely seemed to enjoy sex with women in at least one instance -- - funnily enough, with the sisters who later were caught up with Thomas Tallis. It's quite possible he just didn't like his wife.



* ComicBookTime: Season 1. The events in this season at a minimum cover the period from 1520-1530, including some events that occurred before and after these years, but dates are never used and all adult characters avoid aging. This approach to time passing is likely to avoid the confusion of different storylines playing out of sync, and to avoid jarring time skips after almost every episode. Later seasons are much more centered around specific years.

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* ComicBookTime: Season 1. The events in this season at a minimum cover the period from 1520-1530, including some events that thay occurred before and after these years, but dates are never used and all adult characters avoid aging. This approach to time passing is likely to avoid the confusion of different storylines playing out of sync, and to avoid jarring time skips after almost every episode. Later seasons are much more centered centred around specific years.



* HundredPercentAdorationRating: Catherine of Aragon. Not just the great majority of the English people, but also Rome and her powerful nephew were on her side. Even the French King remained half-hearted in his support of Anne, not wanting to fiance his son to her daughter but Catherine's. This showed that even in France people believed Catherine to be Henry's legitimate wife.

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* HundredPercentAdorationRating: Catherine of Aragon. Not just the great majority of the English people, but also Rome and her powerful nephew were on her side. Even the French King remained half-hearted in his support of Anne, not wanting to fiance engage his son to her daughter but Catherine's. This showed that even in France people believed Catherine to be Henry's legitimate wife.



** Catherine Parr, when she receives presents from Henry, realising that he means to court her and probably marry her. "You know what happens to his queens! ''Everyone'' knows what happens!"

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** * Catherine Parr, when she receives recieves presents from Henry, realising that he means to court her and probably marry her. "You know what happens to his queens! ''Everyone'' knows what happens!"



* WellIntentionedExtremist: Thomas More on the Catholic side of the religious dispute, Thomas Cromwell and Archbishop Cranmer on the Protestant side.

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* WellIntentionedExtremist: Thomas More on the Catholic side of the religious religous dispute, Thomas Cromwell and Archbishop Cranmer on the Protestant side.
22nd Aug '17 6:23:17 PM ChrisDen
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** Mary had her father's red hair, not dark brown - not surprising as her mother also had reddish hair.

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** Mary had her father's red hair, not dark brown - -- not surprising as her mother also had reddish hair.



** Any bad guy who is executed, in general. Especially those who are hanged, drawn and quarted.

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** Any bad guy who is executed, in general. Especially those who are hanged, drawn and quarted.quartered.



** The Treaty of Perpetual Peace in the pilot episode. A ridiculous application of 21st century mores to the Rennaisance, right? Nope, they actually tried it.

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** The Treaty of Perpetual Peace in the pilot episode. A ridiculous application of 21st century mores to the Rennaisance, Renaissance, right? Nope, they actually tried it.



* ArtisticLicenseHistory: The show has UsefulNotes/ThomasMore being drawn on a hurdle to his execution. In real life this only happened if you were being hung, drawn and quartered; More's sentence had been reduced to simple beheading. Wolsley died of a fever, not suicide. These are just two of many changes from history.

to:

* ArtisticLicenseHistory: The show has UsefulNotes/ThomasMore being drawn on a hurdle to his execution. In real life this only happened if you were being hung, drawn and quartered; More's sentence had been reduced to simple beheading. Wolsley Wolsey died of a fever, not suicide. These are just two of many changes from history.



** Mark Smeaton definitely is. George is an open question because in season 1 he definitely seemed to enjoy sex with women in at least one instance - funnily enough, with the sisters who later were caught up with Thomas Tallis. It's quite possible he just didn't like his wife.

to:

** Mark Smeaton definitely is. George is an open question because in season 1 he definitely seemed to enjoy sex with women in at least one instance - -- funnily enough, with the sisters who later were caught up with Thomas Tallis. It's quite possible he just didn't like his wife.



* ComicBookTime: Season 1. The events in this season at a minimum cover the period from 1520-1530, including some events thay occurred before and after these years, but dates are never used and all adult characters avoid aging. This approach to time passing is likely to avoid the confusion of different storylines playing out of sync, and to avoid jarring time skips after almost every episode. Later seasons are much more centred around specific years.

to:

* ComicBookTime: Season 1. The events in this season at a minimum cover the period from 1520-1530, including some events thay that occurred before and after these years, but dates are never used and all adult characters avoid aging. This approach to time passing is likely to avoid the confusion of different storylines playing out of sync, and to avoid jarring time skips after almost every episode. Later seasons are much more centred centered around specific years.



* Catherine Parr, when she recieves presents from Henry, realising that he means to court her and probably marry her. "You know what happens to his queens! ''Everyone'' knows what happens!"

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* ** Catherine Parr, when she recieves receives presents from Henry, realising that he means to court her and probably marry her. "You know what happens to his queens! ''Everyone'' knows what happens!"



* WellIntentionedExtremist: Thomas More on the Catholic side of the religous dispute, Thomas Cromwell and Archbishop Cranmer on the Protestant side.

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* WellIntentionedExtremist: Thomas More on the Catholic side of the religous religious dispute, Thomas Cromwell and Archbishop Cranmer on the Protestant side.
22nd Aug '17 6:09:32 PM Fireblood
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* CaliforniaDoubling: Ireland for England.



** Thomas Cranmer, Archbishop of Canterbury is similarly given a single mention in season 3, although as noted above, historically he should have played a ''huge'' role in season 4.

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** Thomas Cranmer, Archbishop of Canterbury Canterbury, is similarly given a single mention in season 3, although as noted above, historically he should have played a ''huge'' role in season 4.



* ColdBloodedTorture: the favorite way of extracting a confession in the Renaissance era. Many real life torture methods of the era are shown rather graphically on screen.

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* ColdBloodedTorture: the The favorite way of extracting a confession in the Renaissance era. Many real life torture methods of the era are shown rather graphically on screen.
22nd Aug '17 5:46:34 PM Fireblood
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* BlatantLies: "I am a man of faith, Your Eminence." says Henry VIII, the man who tore his country's relationship with the Catholic Church and risked to tear his country asunder because his girlfriend won't give it up.
** Incorrect, as Henry VIII's problem is with the Catholic Church being above him versus his religious values. In short, his problem was AGodAmI or at least the next best thing.
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