History Series / TheTudors

25th Dec '17 2:06:04 PM Fireblood
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* ArtisticLicenseHistory: The show has UsefulNotes/ThomasMore being drawn on a hurdle to his execution. In real life this only happened if you were being hung, drawn and quartered; More's sentence had been reduced to simple beheading. Wolsley died of a fever, not suicide (although this was one is portrayed as being covered up). These are just two of many changes from history.

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* ArtisticLicenseHistory: The show has UsefulNotes/ThomasMore being drawn on a hurdle to his execution. In real life this only happened if you were being hung, drawn and quartered; More's sentence had been reduced to simple beheading. Wolsley died of a fever, not suicide (although this was one is portrayed as being covered up). These are just two of many changes from history.
23rd Dec '17 3:08:26 PM nombretomado
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A SpiritualSuccessor to The Tudors called ''TheBorgias'' based on the life of Rodrigo Borgia (aka UsefulNotes/PopeAlexanderVI) and his family began airing April 2011.

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A SpiritualSuccessor to The Tudors called ''TheBorgias'' ''Series/TheBorgias'' based on the life of Rodrigo Borgia (aka UsefulNotes/PopeAlexanderVI) and his family began airing April 2011.
30th Nov '17 7:35:01 PM SoapheadChurch
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* DeadPersonConversation: Charles Brandon with [[spoiler: Thomas Darcy]] in Pontefract Castle. Also Henry with Catherine of Aragon, Anne Boleyn and Jane Seymour in the last episode.

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* DeadPersonConversation: Charles Brandon with [[spoiler: Thomas Darcy]] Darcy in Pontefract Castle. Also Henry with Catherine of Aragon, Anne Boleyn and Jane Seymour in the last episode.



* DyingAlone: After he dies, it is mentioned that the only attendees at [[spoiler:Thomas Boleyn]]'s funeral were "the ghosts of his children."

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* DyingAlone: After he dies, it is mentioned that the only attendees at [[spoiler:Thomas Boleyn]]'s Thomas Boleyn's funeral were "the ghosts of his children."



* HeroicBSOD: Henry, when [[spoiler:his wife Jane Seymour dies of childbed fever after giving birth to Prince Edward]].

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* HeroicBSOD: Henry, when [[spoiler:his his wife Jane Seymour dies of childbed fever after giving birth to Prince Edward]].Edward.



* IgnoredExpert: In the fourth season episode "As It Should Be", Henry refuses to believe his doctor when said doctor tells him that "the bloody flux" is sweeping through the camp, devastating their army. Henry orders him to get the "cowards" out of their sickbeds to fight, [[ThePlague with predictable results]]. Incredibly, [[spoiler: despite this, Henry's troops eventually succeed in taking Boulogne]].

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* IgnoredExpert: In the fourth season episode "As It Should Be", Henry refuses to believe his doctor when said doctor tells him that "the bloody flux" is sweeping through the camp, devastating their army. Henry orders him to get the "cowards" out of their sickbeds to fight, [[ThePlague with predictable results]]. Incredibly, [[spoiler: despite this, Henry's troops eventually succeed in taking Boulogne]].Boulogne.



** ''Henry'', of all people, seems to get one (shocking, I know) when Cromwell tells him that [[spoiler:Wolsey committed suicide.]] He makes haste to cover up by ordering that no one must ever know, then shouts for everyone around him to leave before he starts to sniffle... Kind of a repeating pattern for Henry; he mourns Cromwell in the similar fashion [[spoiler:after he allows him to be executed.]]
** Brandon and Bryan, who [[spoiler: sabotage Cromwell's execution out of spite (along with Thomas Seymour) by getting the executioner drunk, clearly seem to repent having done so when it takes ''five blows'' to get his head off.]]

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** ''Henry'', of all people, seems to get one (shocking, I know) when Cromwell tells him that [[spoiler:Wolsey Wolsey committed suicide.]] suicide. He makes haste to cover up by ordering that no one must ever know, then shouts for everyone around him to leave before he starts to sniffle... Kind of a repeating pattern for Henry; he mourns Cromwell in the similar fashion [[spoiler:after after he allows him to be executed.]]
executed.
** Brandon and Bryan, who [[spoiler: sabotage Cromwell's execution out of spite (along with Thomas Seymour) by getting the executioner drunk, clearly seem to repent having done so when it takes ''five blows'' to get his head off.]]



* OneWomanWail: Especially heard upon [[spoiler: the execution of Anne Boleyn]].

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* OneWomanWail: Especially heard upon [[spoiler: the execution of Anne Boleyn]].Boleyn.



** Edward Seymour to Henry VIII when talking about Catherine Parr's regency: [[spoiler:She has great clarity of mind, and a woman's touch which soothes and cures where a man would usually rush into anger and complaint]].
** Ambassador Chapuys delivers one to Henry himself in Season 2. [[spoiler: "I want my reign to be remembered eternally." "I have no doubt that your Majesty's reign will always be remembered."]]

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** Edward Seymour to Henry VIII when talking about Catherine Parr's regency: [[spoiler:She She has great clarity of mind, and a woman's touch which soothes and cures where a man would usually rush into anger and complaint]].
complaint.
** Ambassador Chapuys delivers one to Henry himself in Season 2. [[spoiler: "I want my reign to be remembered eternally." "I have no doubt that your Majesty's reign will always be remembered."]]"
30th Nov '17 6:52:02 PM SoapheadChurch
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* CorruptChurch: This appears to be the case with the Catholic Church in England (which was very much TruthInTelevision), which is precisely what spurs the English Reformation, alongside Henry's marital problems. It becomes a problem of OffstageVillany: while we hear all about the excesses of the Church, we don't see many of them, with the exception of Cardinal Wolsey's corrupt activities.
* CultureClash: Cleves and England. Anne thinks she's offended the king because she's not used to English manners, but he's really just upset that she's ([[HolywoodHomely apparently]]) not pretty enough.

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* CorruptChurch: This appears to be the case with the Catholic Church in England (which was very much TruthInTelevision), which is precisely what spurs the English Reformation, alongside Henry's marital problems. It becomes a problem of OffstageVillany: OffstageVillainy: while we hear all about the excesses of the Church, we don't see many of them, with the exception of Cardinal Wolsey's corrupt activities.
* CultureClash: Cleves and England. Anne thinks she's offended the king because she's not used to English manners, but he's really just upset that she's ([[HolywoodHomely ([[HollywoodHomely apparently]]) not pretty enough.
30th Nov '17 6:50:46 PM SoapheadChurch
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* BritishSeries: At least partly. [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tudors Wikipedia]] has a full list of companies involved with it.
It would be better to call it an Irish-Canadian series with British actors and American buyers.

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* BritishSeries: At least partly. [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tudors Wikipedia]] has a full list of companies involved with it. \n It would be better to call it an Irish-Canadian series with British actors and American buyers.
30th Nov '17 6:50:26 PM SoapheadChurch
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* AbortedArc: The departure from the series of Henry Czerny, who played the Duke of Norfolk, caused endless problems for the show given how very important the real Norfolk was to the story. Some of his actions were reassigned to Suffolk and Edward Seymour (in reality Norfolk was the one who orchestrated the affair between Catherine Howard and Henry).

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* AbortedArc: AbortedArc:
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The departure from the series of Henry Czerny, who played the Duke of Norfolk, caused endless problems for the show given how very important the real Norfolk was to the story. Some of his actions were reassigned to Suffolk and Edward Seymour (in reality Norfolk was the one who orchestrated the affair between Catherine Howard and Henry).



* AlasPoorVillain: Wolsey's prayer in the last episode of season one.
** [[spoiler: Thomas Cromwell's]] monologue and prayer prior to being executed in the season 3 finale.

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* AlasPoorVillain: AlasPoorVillain:
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Wolsey's prayer in the last episode of season one.
** [[spoiler: Thomas Cromwell's]] Cromwell's monologue and prayer prior to being executed in the season 3 finale.



* AllGirlsWantBadBoys: Sir Francis Bryan.
** Later Thomas Seymour with Catherine Parr.
* AluminumChristmasTrees: While the series has a deserved reputation for playing fast and loose with history, some of the more outrageous events depicted are historically accurate. An example would be the Field of Cloth of Gold summit in the second episode of the first series, where Francis really did beat Henry in an impromptu wrestling match, spoiling the English king's mood for the rest of the conference.
** The Treaty of Perpetual Peace in the pilot episode. A ridiculous application of 21st century mores to the Rennaisance, right? Nope, they actually tried it.

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* AllGirlsWantBadBoys: Sir Francis Bryan.
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Bryan. Later Thomas Seymour with Catherine Parr.
* AluminumChristmasTrees: AluminumChristmasTrees:
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While the series has a deserved reputation for playing fast and loose with history, some of the more outrageous events depicted are historically accurate. An example would be the Field of Cloth of Gold summit in the second episode of the first series, where Francis really did beat Henry in an impromptu wrestling match, spoiling the English king's mood for the rest of the conference.
** The Treaty of Perpetual Peace in the pilot first episode. A ridiculous application of 21st century mores to the Rennaisance, right? Nope, they actually tried it. However, it wasn't ''quite'' as comprehensive or innovative as it is portrayed in the series: it was simply a nonaggression pact between the major nations of Europe. And it took place a bit earlier than is portrayed.



* BalanceOfPower: The Emperor's lands is A, France is B and England is sometimes C and sometimes D. It becomes scary for England when A and B temporarily ally, so it then tries to ally with E (the Protestant League).
** England became known for doing this in the centuries to come. Ironically, Henry is not good at maintaining this at his own court, allowing new favourites to cause the downfall of former (and sometimes very useful) favourites.

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* BalanceOfPower: The Emperor's lands is A, France is B and England is sometimes C and sometimes D. It becomes scary for England when A and B temporarily ally, so it then tries to ally with E (the Protestant League). \n** England became known for doing this in the centuries to come. Ironically, Henry is not good at maintaining this at his own court, allowing new favourites to cause the downfall of former (and sometimes very useful) favourites.



* BlameGame
* BrainlessBeauty: Katherine Howard is a giggly teenage airhead totally out of her depth in court.
** Mary Boleyn also fits this category.

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* BlameGame
BlameGame: Expect it to be played quickly by everyone involved as soon as things go wrong. Whoever wins usually gets to keep their head, at least for the moment.
* BrainlessBeauty: Katherine Howard is a giggly teenage airhead totally out of her depth in court.
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court. Mary Boleyn also fits this category.



** It would be better to call it an Irish-Canadian series with British actors and American buyers.

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** It would be better to call it an Irish-Canadian series with British actors and American buyers.



* CallForward: The show ended before getting into Mary's reign, possibly because there wasn't as much sexy time involved, but her loathing of Protestants, her comments about wanting to burn Cromwell, and her promises when on tours with her father that "all will be well" are Calls Forward to her attempt at a Counter-Reformation after she becomes queen.
** Similarly, several characters prophetically murmur about how Elizabeth will become a great woman; Mary even curtseys to her and calls her 'Queen Elizabeth'.

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* CallForward: The show ended before getting into Mary's reign, possibly because there wasn't as much sexy time involved, but her loathing of Protestants, her comments about wanting to burn Cromwell, and her promises when on tours with her father that "all will be well" are Calls Forward to her attempt at a Counter-Reformation after she becomes queen.
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queen. Similarly, several characters prophetically murmur about how Elizabeth will become a great woman; Mary even curtseys to her and calls her 'Queen Elizabeth'.



* ChuckCunninghamSyndrome: The Duke of Norfolk, Anthony Knivert and Thomas Tallis after season 1, though Norfolk is mentioned once in season 2.
** Thomas Cranmer, Archbishop of Canterbury, is similarly given a single mention in season 3, although as noted above, historically he should have played a ''huge'' role in season 4.
*** His letter to Henry about Katherine Howard's adultery is given anonymously, so it can easily be assumed to be from him.

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* ChuckCunninghamSyndrome: ChuckCunninghamSyndrome:
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The Duke of Norfolk, Anthony Knivert and Thomas Tallis after season 1, though Norfolk is mentioned once in season 2.
** Thomas Cranmer, Archbishop of Canterbury, is similarly given a single mention in season 3, although as noted above, historically he should have played a ''huge'' role in season 4.
*** His
4. Although, his letter to Henry about Katherine Howard's adultery is given anonymously, so it can easily be assumed to be from him.



* CompositeCharacter: Henry VIII actually had two sisters, Mary and Margaret. The character portrayed in the show is given the biography of Mary, but the name of Margaret, because they feared that the audience could have her mistaken with the daughter of Henry and Catherine.
** It gets worse. In Season 3, he refers to the King of Scotland as his nephew, even though as far as anyone knows, he did not have another sister to be the Scots King's mother.
*** Margaret Tudor, Henry's sister, married James IV of Scotland and was mother to James the V of the Scotland. But if the viewer doesn't ''know'' that, the show doesn't make sense.
** However, the issue of name confusion was apparently more about potential problems on set, or so [[WordOfGod Michael Hurst]] said.
** Not sure if this is exactly a composite, but Anne Stanhope's character storyline, especially in season 4, sounds like a rewrite of what happened with Edward Seymour's first wife, only with his second wife's name attached.
* TheConscience: Catherine Brandon to her husband.
** When Jane [[spoiler:lies dying, Henry begs God not to take her]], and calls her his "light in this dark world".

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* CompositeCharacter: CompositeCharacter:
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Henry VIII actually had two sisters, Mary and Margaret. The character portrayed in the show is given the biography of Mary, but the name of Margaret, because they feared that the audience could have her mistaken with the daughter of Henry and Catherine.
** It gets worse.
Catherine (or, if [[WordOfGod Michael Hurst]] is to be believed, so that the actors wouldn't get confused on set). In Season 3, he refers to the King of Scotland as his nephew, even though as far as anyone knows, he did not have another sister to be the Scots King's mother.
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mother. Margaret Tudor, Henry's sister, married James IV of Scotland and was mother to James the V of the Scotland. But if the viewer doesn't ''know'' that, the show doesn't make sense.
** However, the issue of name confusion was apparently more about potential problems on set, or so [[WordOfGod Michael Hurst]] said.
** Not sure if this is exactly a composite, but
Anne Stanhope's character storyline, especially in season 4, sounds like a rewrite of what happened with Edward Seymour's first wife, only with his second wife's name attached.
* TheConscience: Catherine Brandon to her husband.
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husband. When Jane [[spoiler:lies Seymour lies dying, Henry begs God not to take her]], her, and calls her his "light in this dark world".



* CorruptChurch: Sort of subverted with Cardinal Wolsey. While he openly has a long-term, live-in lover despite being a Cardinal of the Catholic Church, and is said to have used his position to enrich himself, he is also a very capable administrator as Henry's Chancellor whose Machiavellian schemes all are towards the ultimate goal of lasting peace between the kingdoms of Europe.
* CultureClash: Cleves and England.

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* CorruptChurch: Sort of subverted This appears to be the case with Cardinal Wolsey. While he openly has a long-term, live-in lover despite being a Cardinal of the Catholic Church, and is said to have used his position to enrich himself, he is also a Church in England (which was very capable administrator as much TruthInTelevision), which is precisely what spurs the English Reformation, alongside Henry's Chancellor whose Machiavellian schemes marital problems. It becomes a problem of OffstageVillany: while we hear all are towards about the ultimate goal excesses of lasting peace between the kingdoms Church, we don't see many of Europe.
them, with the exception of Cardinal Wolsey's corrupt activities.
* CultureClash: Cleves and England. Anne thinks she's offended the king because she's not used to English manners, but he's really just upset that she's ([[HolywoodHomely apparently]]) not pretty enough.



* DoubleStandard: It's okay for Henry to stray, but that one of his wives ''might'' be doing the same [[ManlyTears does not please him]]. As he is king he tends to have this reaction about a lot of things, such that behavior that would in others be unacceptable is fine for him.
** Fridge Logic is in effect. The King needs a legitimate heir, and anything that could call an heir's legitimacy into question including the infidelity of his Queen could cause generations of bloodshed.
* TheDragon: Sir Francis Bryan

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* DoubleStandard: It's okay for Henry to stray, but that one of his wives ''might'' be doing the same [[ManlyTears does not please him]]. As he is king he tends to have this reaction about a lot of things, such that behavior that would in others be unacceptable is fine for him.
** Fridge Logic is in effect. The
him. Possibly justified: the King needs a legitimate heir, and anything that could call an heir's legitimacy into question including the infidelity of his Queen could cause generations of bloodshed.
* TheDragon: Sir Francis BryanBryan throughout Season 3. Charles Brandon on a more consistent (and ethical) basis.



* EnemyMine: In European politics at that time, the emperor (who also had scores of other lands in Spain, the Low Countries etc) and the king of France were the most powerful. Henry was third. France and the emperor often sought Henry's alliance, while once binding against him as a heretic. In season three the German States also get involved.
** Done on a smaller scale in court, where especially Charles Brandon allies with others against his enemy of the season. Only to make his former allies his new enemies the next.
** Also Cromwell teaming up with the Seymours against the Boleyns.

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* EnemyMine: In European politics at that time, the emperor (who also had scores of other lands in Spain, the Low Countries etc) and the king of France were the most powerful. Henry was third. France and the emperor often sought Henry's alliance, while once binding against him as a heretic. In season three the German States also get involved.
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involved. Done on a smaller scale in court, where especially Charles Brandon allies with others against his enemy of the season. Only to make his former allies his new enemies the next. \n** Also Cromwell teaming up with the Seymours against the Boleyns.



* FaceDeathWithDignity: Anne Boleyn, Thomas More and Bishop Fisher. And Katherine Howard, who actually asks that the executioner's block be brought to her so that she may practice laying her head upon it.
** Kitty's request is TruthInTelevision, which makes it deeply unsettling. Although you do have to wonder if she really decided to try it out while totally naked...
** Subverted with Thomas Cromwell -- not only is he reduced to a sobbing wreck, faced with a jeering crowd, but it takes five shots to actually kill him.
*** In Cromwell's case, two of the conspirators against him (Sir Francis Bryan and Thomas Seymour) got the headsman drunk so Cromwell's execution would be as painful as possible (after both they are the third conspirator, Charles Brandon, are shown giddy with anticipation about the last laugh they'll derive at Cromwell's expense). It's only made worse by the fact Cromwell sees the headsman staggering, so he knows what's coming. By the third stroke - which lands ''in his shoulder blades'', even Sir Francis and Duke Brandon are disgusted. As is fellow conspirator and cold fish Edward Seymour, who wasn't involved in getting the headsman drunk. Thomas Seymour, on the other hand, seems unfazed. Eventually someone else takes away the blade and finishes the job.

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* FaceDeathWithDignity: Anne Boleyn, Thomas More and Bishop Fisher. And Katherine Howard, who actually asks that the executioner's block be brought to her so that she may practice laying her head upon it.
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it. Kitty's request is TruthInTelevision, which makes it deeply unsettling. Although you do have to wonder if she really decided to try it out while totally naked...
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naked... Subverted with Thomas Cromwell -- not only is he reduced to a sobbing wreck, faced with a jeering crowd, but it takes five shots to actually kill him.
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him. In Cromwell's case, two of the conspirators against him (Sir Francis Bryan and Thomas Seymour) got the headsman drunk so Cromwell's execution would be as painful as possible (after both they are the third conspirator, Charles Brandon, are shown giddy with anticipation about the last laugh they'll derive at Cromwell's expense). It's only made worse by the fact Cromwell sees the headsman staggering, so he knows what's coming. By the third stroke - which lands ''in his shoulder blades'', even Sir Francis and Duke Brandon are disgusted. As is fellow conspirator and cold fish Edward Seymour, who wasn't involved in getting the headsman drunk. Thomas Seymour, on the other hand, seems unfazed. Eventually someone else takes away the blade and finishes the job.



* FourTemperamentEnsemble: Henry's wives could all fit the bill.



* TheGloriousWarOfSisterlyRivalry: Averted. Mary and Anne Boleyn get along well until Mary's secret marriage, even though Anne is after Mary's former lover. However, this may have saved Mary's life as she was not executed along with her siblings.
** Averted also with Mary and Elizabeth. Mary takes care of her and even helps her get back into the king's family circle. Of course the series is set well before Mary became [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen queen]].
** Catherine and Anne Parr are also very close, partly because of their shared religious sympathies.
** Edward and Thomas Seymour, despite being male, follow the personality types well. Edward is the serious one and Thomas the popular, unintellectual one. [[spoiler: Even though this rivalry would turn deadly in Edward VI's reign, it is only shown in the series when Thomas sleeps with his wife and states how much he hates him]].

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* TheGloriousWarOfSisterlyRivalry: Averted.With the Boleyn sisters. Mary and Anne Boleyn get along well until Mary's secret marriage, even though Anne is after Mary's former lover. However, this may have saved Mary's life as she was not executed along with her siblings. \n** Averted also with Mary and Elizabeth. Mary takes care of her and even helps her get back into the king's family circle. Of course the series is set well before Mary became [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen queen]].
** Catherine and Anne Parr are also very close, partly because of their shared religious sympathies.
** Edward and Thomas Seymour, despite being male, follow the personality types well. Edward is the serious one and Thomas the popular, unintellectual one. [[spoiler: Even though this rivalry would turn deadly in Edward VI's reign, it is only shown in the series when Thomas sleeps with his wife and states how much he hates him]].
queen]].



* TheHeretic: Thomas Cromwell, Anne Boleyn and quite a few others, not helped by the fact that the definition of heresy changes at least once per season.
** By season 4 there are loads of them. Henry's last queen, many of her ladies, the Seymours and Anne Askew all had reason to fear being branded as such. Not to mention, Edward and Elizabeth are being raised as heretics, or so Mary complains.

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* TheHeretic: Thomas Cromwell, Anne Boleyn and quite a few others, not helped by the fact that the definition of heresy changes at least once per season.
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season. By season 4 there are loads of them. Henry's last queen, many of her ladies, the Seymours and Anne Askew all had reason to fear being branded as such. Not to mention, Edward and Elizabeth are being raised as heretics, or so Mary complains.



* HistoricalBeautyUpdate: A parade of [[TheBeautifulElite pouty-lipped sexpots]] of both genders in GorgeousPeriodDress? ''The Tudors'' is ''god'' of this trope. After all, we can't have all that hot and [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment sexy sex]] being had by ''ugly'' actors, can we?
** Not to mention that the women are all very thin. When someone comments on Katherine Howard's round bum, well... it isn't (historically, she was described as 'pleasingly plump' as having some extra weight was desirable in those times).
** Noted in [[http://harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=230 this Kate Beaton comic]]. "The Sexy Tudors" has become a FanNickname for the show in some quarters.

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* HistoricalBeautyUpdate: A parade of [[TheBeautifulElite pouty-lipped sexpots]] of both genders in GorgeousPeriodDress? ''The Tudors'' is ''god'' of this trope. After all, we can't have all that hot and [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment sexy sex]] being had by ''ugly'' actors, can we?
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we? Not to mention that the women are all very thin. When someone comments on Katherine Howard's round bum, well... it isn't (historically, she was described as 'pleasingly plump' as having some extra weight was desirable in those times).
**
times). Noted in [[http://harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=230 this Kate Beaton comic]]. "The Sexy Tudors" has become a FanNickname for the show in some quarters.



* HollywoodHistory

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* HollywoodHistoryHollywoodHistory: The series follows the general trajectory of history, but the inaccuracies could fill up a page on their own. Not to mention that everything is sexed up a metric ton. To be fair, they do avoid some of the most common myths about Henry VIII's reign, such as portraying Henry as TheCaligula.



* HotterAndSexier

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* HotterAndSexierHotterAndSexier: This is definitely one of the more...carnal adaptations of Henry VIII's reign.



* HundredPercentAdorationRating: Catherine of Aragon. Not just the great majority of the English people, but also Rome and her powerful nephew were on her side. Even the French King remained half-hearted in his support of Anne, not wanting to engage his son to her daughter but Catherine's. This showed that even in France people believed Catherine to be Henry's legitimate wife.
** That is especially important; France was the ''sworn enemy'' of Catherine's family... and yet they recognised her marriage as valid.
** In real life, even ''Martin Luther'' supported her. Literally no one in Europe thought Henry was right.
* IncurableCoughOfDeath: Henry's sister. Also, several people came down with the "Slight Dizziness of Death" when the ''Sweating Sickness'' rolled into town...
** Historically, the sweating sickness did actually kill a lot of people at the time and then vanished with nary a trace. To this day people aren't quite sure what it was, although the prime suspect is some variety of hantavirus. At the time, pretty much any cough - especially ''coughing blood'', a symptom of tuberculosis - was a potential IncurableCoughOfDeath.
* InTheBack: If Henry reassures you of your importance to him while your position is already unstable, you should really beware.
** Thomas Cromwell and the Boleyns.
*** Don't forget Wolsey & Thomas More.
* IdiotBall: [[spoiler: Katherine Howard and Thomas Culpeper]] practically had [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] superglued to their hands. [[spoiler: Joan Bulmer, Francis Dereham and Lady Rochford]] each had their moments carrying one too.

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* HundredPercentAdorationRating: Catherine of Aragon. Not just the great majority of the English people, but also Rome and her powerful nephew were on her side. Even the French King remained half-hearted in his support of Anne, not wanting to engage his son to her daughter but Catherine's. This showed that even in France people believed Catherine to be Henry's legitimate wife.
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wife. That is especially important; important: France was the ''sworn enemy'' of Catherine's family... family, and yet they recognised recognized her marriage as valid.
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valid. In real life, even ''Martin Luther'' supported her. Literally no one in Europe thought Henry was right.
* IncurableCoughOfDeath: Henry's sister. Also, several people came down with the "Slight Dizziness of Death" when the ''Sweating Sickness'' rolled into town...
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town... Historically, the sweating sickness did actually kill a lot of people at the time and then vanished with nary a trace. To this day people aren't quite sure what it was, although the prime suspect is some variety of hantavirus. At the time, pretty much any cough - especially ''coughing blood'', a symptom of tuberculosis - was a potential IncurableCoughOfDeath.
* InTheBack: If Henry reassures you of your importance to him while your position is already unstable, you should really beware.
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beware. Thomas Cromwell and the Boleyns.
*** Don't forget
Boleyns learned this, as did Wolsey & Thomas More.
* IdiotBall: [[spoiler: Katherine Howard and Thomas Culpeper]] Culpeper practically had [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] superglued to their hands. [[spoiler: Joan Bulmer, Francis Dereham and Lady Rochford]] Rochford each had their moments carrying one too.



* {{Jerkass}}: UsefulNotes/HenryVIII, a man of fiery passions, quick to anger and swift to act like a complete ass at all times and condemn at the drop of a hat, albeit likely to show some regret afterward (after the executions are done that is) once he's calmed down.
** [[spoiler: Specifically, Henry laments killing off Thomas More to Brandon (and, rather inexplicably since they were never shown talking about it, blames Anne for urging him to do so) in the second season. In the first episode of season 4, he makes a reference to Cromwell, and in the second episode flat-out says he grieves for him, calling him "the most faithful servant I ever had". Brandon and the Seymours squirm.]]

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* {{Jerkass}}: {{Jerkass}}:
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UsefulNotes/HenryVIII, a man of fiery passions, quick to anger and swift to act like a complete ass at all times and condemn at the drop of a hat, albeit likely to show some regret afterward (after the executions are done that is) once he's calmed down.
** [[spoiler: Specifically, Henry laments killing off Thomas More to Brandon (and, rather inexplicably since they were never shown talking about it, blames Anne for urging him to do so) in the second season. In the first episode of season 4, he makes a reference to Cromwell, and in the second episode flat-out says he grieves for him, calling him "the most faithful servant I ever had". Brandon and the Seymours squirm.]]
down.



* KarmaHoudini: Thomas Boleyn is an absolutely infuriating example. He escapes the executioner's axe only because he wholeheartedly denounces his son and daughter to the King's investigators, and while they are put to death he only cares about whether he keeps his title and estate as Earl of Wiltshire or not. What a dick.
** It's better if you know your history, as he would die just two years later, having lost everything he and his daughters worked for. Of course, if you *really* know your history you'll know that he was never imprisoned or blamed up in real life, even by Henry.

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* KarmaHoudini: KarmaHoudini:
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Thomas Boleyn is an absolutely infuriating example. He escapes the executioner's axe only because he wholeheartedly denounces his son and daughter to the King's investigators, and while they are put to death he only cares about whether he keeps his title and estate as Earl of Wiltshire or not. What a dick.
**
dick. It's better if you know your history, as he would die just two years later, having lost everything he and his daughters worked for. Of course, if you *really* know your history you'll know that he was never imprisoned or blamed up in real life, even by Henry.



*** Oh, Francis Bryan. ''So much.''
* KickThemWhileTheyAreDown: [[spoiler:Quite a bunch of people did this to Thomas Cromwell.]]

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*** Oh, ** Francis Bryan. ''So much.''
Bryan, the most bastardly member of King Henry's court, and one of the few who never takes a fall.
* KickThemWhileTheyAreDown: [[spoiler:Quite Quite a bunch of people did this to Thomas Cromwell.]]



* MsFanservice: Brandon's French mistress was a fairly obvious device to introduce some more sex into the plot after Henry VIII was getting old and infirm and not catting around anymore.
** Most if not all of the women on this show get naked at one point or another.
* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: ''Henry'', of all people, seems to get one (shocking, I know) when Cromwell tells him that [[spoiler:Wolsey committed suicide.]] He makes haste to cover up by ordering that no one must ever know, then shouts for everyone around him to leave before he starts to sniffle...
** Kind of a repeating pattern for Henry; he mourns [[spoiler:Cromwell]] in the similar fashion [[spoiler:after he allows him to be executed.]]

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* MsFanservice: Brandon's French mistress was a fairly obvious device to introduce some more sex into the plot after Henry VIII was getting old and infirm and not catting around anymore.
** Most
anymore. Not to mention, most if not all of the women on this show get naked at one point or another.
* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: MyGodWhatHaveIDone:
**
''Henry'', of all people, seems to get one (shocking, I know) when Cromwell tells him that [[spoiler:Wolsey committed suicide.]] He makes haste to cover up by ordering that no one must ever know, then shouts for everyone around him to leave before he starts to sniffle... \n** Kind of a repeating pattern for Henry; he mourns [[spoiler:Cromwell]] Cromwell in the similar fashion [[spoiler:after he allows him to be executed.]]



* NiceHat: Anne of Cleves. Henry has his moments too. As does Katherine of Aragon.
** And Mary Tudor in the season 4 trailer.

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* NiceHat: Anne of Cleves. Henry has his moments too. As does Katherine of Aragon.
**
Aragon. And Mary Tudor in the season 4 trailer.



* OhCrap: Surrey, when [[spoiler:he is told the king refuses him an audience. Before that he still has the confidence he can set matters right by talking to him]]

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* OhCrap: OhCrap:
**
Surrey, when [[spoiler:he he is told the king refuses him an audience. Before that he still has the confidence he can set matters right by talking to him]]him.



* Catherine Parr, when she recieves presents from Henry, realising that he means to court her and probably marry her. "You know what happens to his queens! ''Everyone'' knows what happens!"

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* ** Catherine Parr, when she recieves presents from Henry, realising that he means to court her and probably marry her. "You know what happens to his queens! ''Everyone'' knows what happens!"



* OneSteveLimit: The popularity of the name Mary at the time caused some issues, including the writers compositing Henry's sisters Mary and Margaret into one character called Margaret to reduce the number of Marys to keep track of.
** Averted with other common names of the period, with two Annes, two Janes, four Catherines/Katherines, and '''ten''' Thomases. Thankfully the latter are usually referred to by last name and/or title.

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* OneSteveLimit: OneSteveLimit:
**
The popularity of the name Mary at the time caused some issues, including the writers compositing Henry's sisters Mary and Margaret into one character called Margaret to reduce the number of Marys to keep track of.
** Averted with other common names of the period, with two Annes, two Janes, four Catherines/Katherines, and '''ten''' Thomases. In Season 2, up to five Thomases were in the opening credits at any given time, six if you count the silhouettes of Wolsey. Thankfully the latter they are usually referred to by last name and/or title.



** TheOtherMarty: Some scenes from Season 2 were re-shot in Episode 3.01

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** * TheOtherMarty: Some scenes from Season 2 were re-shot in Episode 3.01



* PetTheDog: In spite of the fact that Henry could be a real asshole of a ruler, he did have his moments with Jane Seymour in that he truly did love her. Towards the end of his life, he also had this with Edward, Mary and Elizabeth, and to a lesser extent Catherine Parr.
** A quiet, beautiful scene of him laying hands on sick people to cure them is also this. Made especially poignant, since his own body is declining as well.
** George Boleyn presents a cruel twist on this. He is an arrogant prick who [[spoiler:rapes his own wife on their wedding night]], but his one sympathetic quality is that he seems to genuinely care about his sister Anne's well-being, as opposed to their father who very clearly sees her as nothing more than a political pawn. Yet his one sympathetic quality results directly in his downfall and death, when his close relationship with his sister is twisted into an accusation of incest for which he is tried and executed.

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* PetTheDog: PetTheDog:
**
In spite of the fact that Henry could be a real asshole of a ruler, he did have his moments with Jane Seymour in that he truly did love her. Towards the end of his life, he also had this with Edward, Mary and Elizabeth, and to a lesser extent Catherine Parr. \n** A quiet, beautiful scene of him laying hands on sick people to cure them is also this. Made especially poignant, since his own body is declining as well.
** George Boleyn presents a cruel twist on this. He is an arrogant prick who [[spoiler:rapes rapes his own wife on their wedding night]], night, but his one sympathetic quality is that he seems to genuinely care about his sister Anne's well-being, as opposed to their father who very clearly sees her as nothing more than a political pawn. Yet his one sympathetic quality results directly in his downfall and death, when his close relationship with his sister is twisted into an accusation of incest for which he is tried and executed.



* TheReasonYouSuckSpeech: In the final episode of Season 2, Charles Brandon [[spoiler: furious at Thomas Boleyn's greater concern being for the fact he gets to keep his title and his head rather than that his son has already been executed and his daughter will soon follow suit, slams Boleyn against a wall and makes his contempt clear about Boleyn's seeming indifference to the fact he willingly sacrificed his children for his own ambition]].
-->'''Charles Brandon''': [[spoiler: Did you watch your son die?! What about your daughter, will you watch her suffer? Will you watch her die?! [[ArmorPiercingQuestion Tell me, Boleyn, was it all worth it]]?!]]
** Henry gives one to his advisors in Episode 2 of Season 4, lambasting them [[spoiler: for appearing to put their agendas above his wishes and the needs of England, as well as chewing them out for poisoning him against Cromwell]].
-->'''Henry VIII''': My Lords, I assure you I am ''not'' content. [[spoiler: I have relied upon you to inform and counsel me, and yet I am the most deceived. I have trusted and favoured all of you, and I have formed a sinister opinion that most of you are liars and flatterers who look only to your own profits. I know what you are planning, and if God gives me the strength, I will see to it that none of your projects ''ever'' succeed! ''[sadly]'' I mourn Cromwell's death. ''[His advisors looks shocked]'' Yes, I mourn him! I mourn him, now that I perceive that my counsellors, by light pretext and by false accusations, made me put to death the most...faithful servant I ever had]].
* RefusalOfTheCall: Robert Aske.
* RenaissanceMan: Henry composed music, knew his languages, wrote a rebuttal to Luther and proclaimed himself a humanist.
** His children, especially Elizabeth, also grew up to be this.
** Thomas Moore: Politician, writer of ''{{Literature/Utopia}}'', friend of Erasmus and diplomat. His daughter Margaret, who was one of the greatest Latin experts in England, too.

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* TheReasonYouSuckSpeech: TheReasonYouSuckSpeech:
**
In the final episode of Season 2, Charles Brandon [[spoiler: furious at Thomas Boleyn's greater concern being for the fact he gets to keep his title and his head rather than that his son has already been executed and his daughter will soon follow suit, slams Boleyn against a wall and makes his contempt clear about Boleyn's seeming indifference to the fact he willingly sacrificed his children for his own ambition]].
-->'''Charles Brandon''': [[spoiler: Did you watch your son die?! What about your daughter, will you watch her suffer? Will you watch her die?! [[ArmorPiercingQuestion Tell me, Boleyn, was it all worth it]]?!]]
it]]?!
** Henry gives one to his advisors in Episode 2 of Season 4, lambasting them [[spoiler: for appearing to put their agendas above his wishes and the needs of England, as well as chewing them out for poisoning him against Cromwell]].
Cromwell.
-->'''Henry VIII''': My Lords, I assure you I am ''not'' content. [[spoiler: I have relied upon you to inform and counsel me, and yet I am the most deceived. I have trusted and favoured all of you, and I have formed a sinister opinion that most of you are liars and flatterers who look only to your own profits. I know what you are planning, and if God gives me the strength, I will see to it that none of your projects ''ever'' succeed! ''[sadly]'' I mourn Cromwell's death. ''[His advisors looks shocked]'' Yes, I mourn him! I mourn him, now that I perceive that my counsellors, by light pretext and by false accusations, made me put to death the most...faithful servant I ever had]].
had.
* RefusalOfTheCall: Robert Aske.
* RenaissanceMan: Henry composed music, knew his languages, wrote a rebuttal
Aske demurs the invitation to Luther and proclaimed himself a humanist.lead the Pilgrimage of Grace at first because he loathes the idea of rebelling against the king.
** His children, especially Elizabeth, also grew up * RenaissanceMan: Quite a few. Makes sense, considering the proximity to be this.the literal Renaissance.
** Henry composed music, knew his languages, wrote a rebuttal to Luther and proclaimed himself a humanist. His children, especially Elizabeth, also grew up to be this.
** Thomas Moore: Politician, Mooe: Statesman, lawyer, theologian, writer of ''{{Literature/Utopia}}'', friend of Erasmus Erasmus, and diplomat. His daughter Margaret, who was one of the greatest Latin experts in England, too.



** Anne Boleyn to an extent as well, mostly because she grew up at the courts of Margaret of Austria and the French court.
** And let's not forget Catherine Parr.
* RevolvingDoorRevolution: Henry's constant religious changes left people very unsure of what he really wanted them to believe.
** Cromwell became a victim of this. Protestants and Catholics did too, as Chapuys highlights in a letter to the emperor.

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** Anne Boleyn to an extent as well, mostly because she grew up at the courts of Margaret of Austria and the French court. In RealLife, this, not her looks (which were unremarkable) is what charmed Henry.
** And let's not forget Catherine Parr.
Parr, easily one of the most erudite of Henry's wives.
* RevolvingDoorRevolution: Henry's constant religious changes left people very unsure of what he really wanted them to believe. \n** Cromwell became a victim of this. Protestants and Catholics did too, as Chapuys highlights in a letter to the emperor.



* RevengeByProxy: Since Reginald Pole is out of Henry's reach in continental Europe, Henry has both his mother and brother killed.
** And perhaps his nephew, a child we last see being led away by the power-grubbing Edward Seymour.

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* RevengeByProxy: Since Reginald Pole is out of Henry's reach in continental Europe, Henry has both his mother and brother killed.
**
killed. And perhaps his nephew, a child we last see being led away by the power-grubbing Edward Seymour.



* RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething: Henry was a patron of the arts and humanism, composed music and led troops into battle.

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* RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething: RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething:
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Henry was a patron of the arts and humanism, composed music and led troops into battle.



* SheCleansUpNicely: Anne of Cleves, after getting released from being queen and not having to worry about being executed for failing to give Henry a son, cheered up considerably. [[spoiler:Ironically, this new side of her might have made Henry start to wish he'd consummated their marriage after all.]]
** In season four, [[spoiler:Henry finally does sleep with her. Yes, he's married again by that time.]]
*** [[spoiler:However he literally appears to JUST be sleeping with her, spooning really. In their very last scene together Henry definitely has Anne in his arms as they lay in bed (apparently fully clothed) and there is no indication that they engaged in intercourse.]]

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* SheCleansUpNicely: Anne of Cleves, after getting released from being queen and not having to worry about being executed for failing to give Henry a son, cheered up considerably. [[spoiler:Ironically, Ironically, this new side of her might have made Henry start to wish he'd consummated their marriage after all.]]
**
all. In season four, [[spoiler:Henry Henry finally does sleep with her. Yes, he's married again by that time.]]
*** [[spoiler:However
her (after having already re-married). However, he literally appears to JUST be sleeping with her, spooning really. In their very last scene together Henry definitely has Anne in his arms as they lay in bed (apparently fully clothed) and there is no indication that they engaged in intercourse.]]



* StealthInsult: Edward Seymour to Henry VIII when talking about Catherine Parr's regency: [[spoiler:She has great clarity of mind, and a woman's touch which soothes and cures where a man would usually rush into anger and complaint]].

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* StealthInsult: StealthInsult:
**
Edward Seymour to Henry VIII when talking about Catherine Parr's regency: [[spoiler:She has great clarity of mind, and a woman's touch which soothes and cures where a man would usually rush into anger and complaint]].



* StrangeBedfellows: Every season Charles Brandon teams up with people he will try to bring down in the next season. [[spoiler:Edward Seymour will be his enemy in the next season?]]
** Edward Seymour and Francis Bryan, [[spoiler:while Edward knows Francis sleeps with his wife.]]
*** Historically, Anne Stanhope was his second wife - the first slept with his father. Perhaps Bryan is an improvement? [[spoiler:Although in season 4, Anne sleeps with his brother, and perhaps even has a son by him--she insists on naming him after the brother, anyway--so maybe not so much.]]
** Wolsey and Catherine of Aragon.

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* StrangeBedfellows: StrangeBedfellows:
**
Every season Charles Brandon teams up with people he will try to bring down in the next season. [[spoiler:Edward Edward Seymour will be his enemy in the next season?]]
season?
** Edward Seymour and Francis Bryan, [[spoiler:while while Edward knows Francis sleeps with his wife.]]
***
wife. Historically, Anne Stanhope was his second wife - the first slept with his father. Perhaps Bryan is an improvement? [[spoiler:Although Although in season 4, Anne sleeps with his brother, and perhaps even has a son by him--she insists on naming him after the brother, anyway--so maybe not so much.]]
much.
** Wolsey and Catherine of Aragon.Aragon, whom he has spent the better part of a Season trying to denounce as an illegitimate wife. It's a sign of how desperate the former is to get his titles back, but ironically its what gets him charged with treason.



* TooDumbToLive: Katherine Howard. [[spoiler:Francis Dereham and Lady Rochford]] also deserve honorable mentions. Despite being equally stupid, [[spoiler:Joan Bulmer]] somehow manages to emerge unscathed.
** [[spoiler:Francis Dereham seems to be the worst, actually. While all the others at least try to conceal what they are doing, Dereham goes out of his way to spread it far and wide]].

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* TooDumbToLive: TooDumbToLive:
**
Katherine Howard. [[spoiler:Francis Francis Dereham and Lady Rochford]] Rochford also deserve honorable mentions. Despite being equally stupid, [[spoiler:Joan Bulmer]] Joan Bulmer somehow manages to emerge unscathed.
** [[spoiler:Francis
unscathed.Dereham seems to be the worst, actually. worst. While all the others at least try to conceal what they are doing, Dereham goes out of his way to spread it far and wide]].wide.



* TheTourney
* UnfinishedBusiness: [[spoiler:In the last episode Katherine of Aragon, Anne Boleyn and Jane Seymour all come back to give Henry a piece of their mind]].
** Which also classifies as three [[CrowningMomentofAwesome Crowning Moments of Awesome]].
** Although it was curious in Jane's case, since she really didn't have much to complain about.
*** She was upset at Henry's treatment of Edward rather than of her. It seems to be based on the modern theory that keeping a child's environment "too" clean is dangerous. In this specific case it's pure nonsense, since the risk of over-cleanliness is supposedly allergies, while Edward died of an infectious disease that would have killed him as surely at three as it did at 15.

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* TheTourney
TheTourney: We see a couple of them throughout the show, most of which end with Henry getting injured.
* UnfinishedBusiness: [[spoiler:In In the last episode Katherine of Aragon, Anne Boleyn and Jane Seymour all come back to give Henry a piece of their mind]].
** Which also classifies as three [[CrowningMomentofAwesome Crowning Moments of Awesome]].
** Although it was curious in Jane's case, since she really didn't have much to complain about.
*** She was upset at Henry's treatment of Edward rather than of her. It seems to be based on the modern theory that keeping a child's environment "too" clean is dangerous. In this specific case it's pure nonsense, since the risk of over-cleanliness is supposedly allergies, while Edward died of an infectious disease that would have killed him as surely at three as it did at 15.
mind.



* UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans: Thomas Cromwell got his former friends beheaded and ordered the hanging of hundreds of those who wanted to stick to the old religion. He will have his reformation for the good of the realm.
** Mary Tudor [[CallForward showed signs of this]].

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* UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans: Thomas Cromwell got his former friends beheaded and ordered the hanging of hundreds of those who wanted to stick to the old religion. He will have his reformation for the good of the realm.
**
realm. Mary Tudor also [[CallForward showed signs of this]].



* WickedStepmother: Anne Boleyn would have liked to see Mary killed. Averted with Jane Seymour and Anne of Cleves, who are both very nice to her.
** [[spoiler: Katherine Howard doesn't get along with Mary either. In all fairness, she did try, but Mary rebuffed her, and she responded by getting nasty, so this could be more of a subverted example.]]
** Again, to be fair, Mary didn't like Anne of Cleves much at the start either, even going so far as to hope her ship would sink while she was coming to England. She grows to like her enough that she disapproves of her father's second divorce, which can only add to her hatred of Katherine Howard.

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* WickedStepmother: WickedStepmother:
**
Anne Boleyn would have liked to see Mary killed. Averted with Jane Seymour and Anne of Cleves, who are both very nice to her.
her. Admittedly, Mary didn't like Anne of Cleves very much to start with because a) She's a Protestant and b) She's the replacement for Jane Seymour, who Mary adored. But Anne eventually wins her over, enough that she is not too keen on the next wife in line.
** [[spoiler: Katherine Howard doesn't get along with Mary either. In all fairness, she She did try, but Mary rebuffed her, and she responded by getting nasty, so this could be more of a subverted example.]]
** Again, to be fair, Mary didn't like Anne of Cleves much at the start either, even going so far as to hope her ship would sink while she was coming to England. She grows to like her enough that she disapproves of her father's second divorce, which can only add to her hatred of Katherine Howard.
nasty.



* WillTheyOrWontThey: Or rather 'Did they or didn't they?' [[spoiler: Henry ends up in Anne of Cleves' bed ''after'' he's divorced her, both of them in their nightgowns and snuggling, and she seems to enjoy it. Was there sex, or was it just for comfort and security?]]

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* WillTheyOrWontThey: Or rather 'Did they or didn't they?' [[spoiler: Henry ends up in Anne of Cleves' bed ''after'' he's divorced her, both of them in their nightgowns and snuggling, and she seems to enjoy it. Was there sex, or was it just for comfort and security?]]security?



* ZeroPercentApprovalRating: Anne Boleyn and infant Elizabeth: "Because the pope, and he, and the emperor all AGREE. She is a bastard and you are not my wife." Sadly for Anne, this also went for most of the English people at that time.
** North of London, Cromwell and his policies were hated to the point that thousands rebelled.
** In the first season, Wolsey was never loved by many, but even those who owed him a lot drop him as he falls.

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* ZeroPercentApprovalRating: Anne Boleyn and infant Elizabeth: "Because the pope, and he, and the emperor all AGREE. She is a bastard and you are not my wife." Sadly for Anne, this also went for most of the English people at that time.
**
time. North of London, Cromwell and his policies were hated to the point that thousands rebelled.
**
rebelled. In the first season, Wolsey was never loved by many, but even those who owed him a lot drop him as he falls.
30th Nov '17 5:47:53 PM SoapheadChurch
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** Arguably yes, it is coincidence. The spark has gone out of the relationship with Wife #1 before the show starts. He never consummates his relationship with Wife #4 or #6. So that leaves #3, Jane Seymour, as the only one who might have gotten naked but didn't.
30th Nov '17 1:16:19 PM SoapheadChurch
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* FiveManBand: Henry's wives.
** TheChick: Jane Seymour, Anne of Cleves
** TheHero: Katherine of Aragon
** TheLancer: Anne Boleyn
** TheSmartGuy: Catherine Parr
** TagAlongKid: Katherine Howard
24th Nov '17 10:14:41 PM frozen
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Added DiffLines:

** In real life, even ''Martin Luther'' supported her. Literally no one in Europe thought Henry was right.
11th Nov '17 8:17:16 PM FaeBoleyn
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* DomesticAbuser: Henry emotionally and verbally abuses Catherine of Aragon.

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* DomesticAbuser: Henry emotionally and verbally abuses Catherine of Aragon. Later, the emotional abuse crops up again with Anne Boleyn and in one rather unsettling scene with Jane Seymour - where an implied threat of meeting Anne's fate is paired with a physically affectionate gesture after.
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