History SeinfeldIsUnfunny / WesternAnimation

1st May '16 2:55:35 PM WhatArtThee
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* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'' was a huge leap forward in its depiction of action and drama in a superhero cartoon. While some episodes still hold up pretty well a modern audience may not be as impressed with it, given how much further superhero shows have come since then. A few of them ("I've Got Batman in My Basement" comes to mind) actually have more in common with the corny kiddie shows they were trying to replace than with the newer shows they inspired, and are now an OldShame to the animators.

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* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'' was a huge leap forward in its depiction of action and drama in a superhero cartoon. While some episodes still hold up pretty well a A modern audience audience, however, may not be as impressed with it, given how much further superhero shows have come in terms of darkness and drama since then. A few of them ("I've Got Batman in My Basement" comes to mind) actually have more in common with the corny kiddie shows they were trying to replace than with the newer shows they inspired, and are now an OldShame to the animators.



* ''WesternAnimation/MightyMouse: The New Adventures''. It was a revolutionary show and concept for its day, being a show where it was directed and written entirely by cartoonists (which was a very unique concept for cartoons of the time), and essentially served as a training ground for future animation pros today, and for bringing back cartoon animation in the vein of classic cartoons to the mainstream in TV (and, obviously, laying the groundwork for shows like Ren and Stimpy). Unfortunately, the actual production quality of the show has aged horribly, not helped that the show had many production woes, animation and art mistakes and sloppy execution (as attested by former staff, [[http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2008/09/wonky-2.html including]] Creator/JohnKricfalusi) and many of the jokes and satire will seem either tame or fly right over the heads of today's viewers.

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* ''WesternAnimation/MightyMouse: The New Adventures''. ''WesternAnimation/MightyMouseTheNewAdventures'' suffers from this badly nowadays. It was a revolutionary show and concept for its day, being a show where it was directed and written entirely by cartoonists (which was a very unique concept for cartoons of the time), and essentially served as a training ground for future animation pros today, and for bringing back cartoon animation in the vein of classic cartoons to the mainstream in TV (and, obviously, laying TV. However, today, due to the groundwork for success of all the shows like Ren and Stimpy). Unfortunately, the actual production quality of the show has aged horribly, created in it's wake, especially ''WesternAnimation/TheRenAndStimpyShow'''' most modern viewers might not find it revolutionary, not helped that the show had many production woes, woes and animation and art mistakes and sloppy execution (as attested by former staff, [[http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2008/09/wonky-2.html including]] Creator/JohnKricfalusi) and many of the jokes and satire will seem either tame or fly right over the heads of today's viewers.Creator/JohnKricfalusi).



* While ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory'' still holds up remarkably well, the graphics that were state of the art back in 1995 pale in comparison to what's being done today. The humans look [[UncannyValley almost as plastic as the toys]] (which is why they told a story where the main characters ''were'' toys), there's an airless quality to the outside scenes, and the animation is not as fluid and nuanced as what we see today. Not that the movie has now become unwatchable, far from it, but compare it to ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory2'' just four years later and the improvement is remarkable. And then compare ''that'' to ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory3'' 11 years after, and you appreciate how much CGI has evolved in such a short time. Also, consider the fact that before ''Toy Story'', the number of fully computer-generated feature films was exactly zero, and it would be two more years before there was another such film. [[TechnologyMarchesOn With CGI so ubiquitous today]], it's hard to imagine how mindblowing an experience it was to see Woody and Buzz for the first time.

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* While ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory'' still holds up remarkably well, the ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory'''s graphics that were state of the art back in 1995 1995, they pale in comparison to what's being done today. The humans look [[UncannyValley almost as plastic as the toys]] (which is why they told a story where the main characters ''were'' toys), there's an airless quality to the outside scenes, and the animation is not as fluid and nuanced as what we see today. Not that the movie has now become unwatchable, far from it, but compare it to ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory2'' just four years later and the improvement is remarkable. And then compare ''that'' to ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory3'' 11 years after, and you appreciate how much CGI has evolved in such a short time. Also, consider the fact that before ''Toy Story'', the number of fully computer-generated feature films was exactly zero, and it would be two more years before there was another such film. [[TechnologyMarchesOn With CGI so ubiquitous today]], it's hard to imagine how mindblowing an experience it was to see Woody and Buzz for the first time.



* ''WesternAnimation/CodenameKidsNextDoor'' was one of the first mainstream Western kids' shows to undergo CerebusSyndrome and experiment with world-building and story arcs. While it's aged a ''lot'' better than other examples here, it can be difficult for a new viewer to see what's so special about it. This may be why reruns of the show are relatively rare.

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* ''WesternAnimation/CodenameKidsNextDoor'' was one of the first mainstream Western kids' shows to undergo CerebusSyndrome and experiment with world-building and story arcs. While However, it's aged a ''lot'' better than other examples here, heavy influence it can be has made it difficult for a new viewer to see what's so special about it. This may be why reruns of the show are relatively rare.
31st Mar '16 2:13:15 PM ianw1
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*** No surprise there, they were scored by Broadway musical duo AlanMenken and HowardAshman.
30th Mar '16 4:01:38 PM ading
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* ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb'' may seem typical and commonplace nowadays, but back in 2008, when the show had officially debuted (Having its sneak-peek initial episode in 2007), the show was really something. Its clever and frequent use of break-the-fourth-wall humor and pop culture references were attractive to audiences, especially considering that due to a low economy, cartoons like this were becoming extinct in favour of more live-action programming. Today, we have ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'', ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'', ''WesternAnimation/RegularShow'', and ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'', which [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar get crap past the radar]] frequently and have more continuity in their storylines, as well as character development, so if a viewer was introduced to ''Phineas and Ferb'' today, it wouldn't seem so impressive as it did back in its heyday.
22nd Mar '16 10:51:38 PM louisXVI
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** Creator/MattGroening wanted ''The Simpsons'' to have a unique feel compared to the cartoons around the time (namely Disney and Creator/HannaBarbera). So he decided that the show was to have cartoon characters obeying real life physics (meaning: no squash and plump, no wacky sounds while characters do things or exaggerated facial expressions). Nowadays, you can see that in a lot of other cartoons.

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** Creator/MattGroening wanted ''The Simpsons'' to have a unique feel compared to the cartoons around the time (namely Disney and Creator/HannaBarbera). So he decided that the show was to have cartoon characters obeying real life physics (meaning: no squash and plump, no wacky sounds while characters do things or exaggerated facial expressions). Nowadays, you can most cartoons with an all-human cast are similarly restrained. Indeed, these days it would be considered strange to see that "rubbery" humanoid characters in a lot of other cartoons. most cartoons, even most children's cartoons.
29th Jan '16 2:16:52 PM PurrElise
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** Creator/KevinConroy is generally said to be the one true Batman. This is usually the viewpoint of longtime Batfans. If YouTube and forum comments are anything to go by, many newer Batfans, particularly '''[[Film/TheDarkKnight Dark Knight]]''' fanboys consider Conroy to be dull, robotic and a genuinely terrible actor and have no idea why people love him, other than [[NostalgiaFilter nostalgia]]. Though most of Conroy's recent Batman roles have been a little on the robotic side, it's mainly due to the fact that he hasn't had any Batman roles that require genuine emotion in years. His more recent Batman roles often have Batman as a side character or the Decoy Protagonist. Even the Batman: Arkham Series focuses on Batman's allies and enemies more than Batman's personal growth, save for ''Videogame/BatmanArkhamOrigins'' which Conroy wasn't a part of. He seems to have stepped up his game for ''Videogame/BatmanArkhamKnight'', where he is seen interrogating a soldier and legitimately sounds angry.

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** Creator/KevinConroy is generally said to be the one true Batman. This is usually the viewpoint of longtime Batfans. If YouTube and forum comments are anything to go by, many newer Batfans, particularly '''[[Film/TheDarkKnight ''[[Film/TheDarkKnight Dark Knight]]''' Knight]]'' fanboys consider Conroy to be dull, robotic and a genuinely terrible actor and have no idea why people love him, other than [[NostalgiaFilter nostalgia]]. Though most of Conroy's recent Batman roles have been a little on the robotic side, it's mainly due to the fact that he hasn't had any Batman roles that require genuine emotion in years. His more recent Batman roles often have Batman as a side character or the Decoy Protagonist. Even the Batman: Arkham Series focuses on Batman's allies and enemies more than Batman's personal growth, save for ''Videogame/BatmanArkhamOrigins'' which Conroy wasn't a part of. He seems to have stepped up his game for ''Videogame/BatmanArkhamKnight'', where he is seen interrogating a soldier and legitimately sounds angry.
23rd Jan '16 5:35:25 PM nombretomado
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* ''WesternAnimation/SpaceGhostCoastToCoast'' pioneered the style of later AdultSwim cartoons: low budget; extreme LimitedAnimation with only stock poses and animations for characters; silly, borderline nonsensical conversations; and a dash of random humor (added in increasingly large doses as the series progressed). Today it seems tame compared to later Adult Swim shows such as ''WesternAnimation/AquaTeenHungerForce''.

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* ''WesternAnimation/SpaceGhostCoastToCoast'' pioneered the style of later AdultSwim Creator/AdultSwim cartoons: low budget; extreme LimitedAnimation with only stock poses and animations for characters; silly, borderline nonsensical conversations; and a dash of random humor (added in increasingly large doses as the series progressed). Today it seems tame compared to later Adult Swim shows such as ''WesternAnimation/AquaTeenHungerForce''.
16th Jan '16 8:49:22 AM Wkenneth334
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* Back in TheFifties, the cartoons from [[Creator/ColumbiaCartoons the UPA cartoon studio]] (especially Mister Magoo) were actually regarded as being very cutting-edge by having extremely sophisticated plots and animation at the time (to the point that a Magoo [=HiFi=] album was released in 1957). Nowadays, however, these storylines are the norm, as well as their then-groundbreaking [[ThickLineAnimation stylized animation]].

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* Back in TheFifties, the cartoons from [[Creator/ColumbiaCartoons the UPA cartoon studio]] (especially Mister Magoo) were actually regarded as being very cutting-edge by having extremely sophisticated plots and animation at the time (to the point that a Magoo [=HiFi=] album was released in 1957). Nowadays, however, But nowdays, these storylines are the norm, as well as their then-groundbreaking [[ThickLineAnimation stylized animation]].
23rd Dec '15 10:03:04 PM Kid
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** ''WesternAnimation/{{Fantasia}}'': Would you believe that, after decades of music videos, the concept of this was novel? While it has been able to age well due to the VisualEffectsOfAwesome, the concept sounds entirely cliche with the availability of music videos on the internet.

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** ''WesternAnimation/{{Fantasia}}'': Would you believe that, after decades of music videos, the concept of this was novel? While it has been able to age well due to the VisualEffectsOfAwesome, VisualEffectsOfAwesome, the concept sounds entirely cliche with the availability of music videos on the internet.



* Creator/DreamWorksAnimation has their own breed that is almost like an inversion - With a few exceptions like ''WesternAnimation/{{Shrek}}'', plenty of Dreamworks's early CG-I movies were seen as budget Pixar movies to downright knock-offs of Pixar movies. However, they have since [[GrowingTheBeard grown the beard]], and in the new tens, are considered to be one of the better animation studios, producing movies that rival Pixar's.

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* Creator/DreamWorksAnimation has their own breed that is almost like an inversion - With -- with a few exceptions like ''WesternAnimation/{{Shrek}}'', plenty of Dreamworks's early CG-I movies were seen as budget Pixar movies to downright knock-offs of Pixar movies. However, they have since [[GrowingTheBeard grown the beard]], and in the new tens, are considered to be one of the better animation studios, producing movies that rival Pixar's.
23rd Dec '15 9:51:36 PM Kid
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** ''WesternAnimation/{{Fantasia}}'': Would you believe that, after decades of music videos, the concept of this was novel? While it has been able to age well due to the VisualEffectsOfAwesome , but the concept sounds entirely cliche with the availability of music videos on the internet.
*** The Rite of Spring mention deserves special mention - Would you believe that it showing the history of earth being formed not by God, but by what is considered scientific was actually ''pushing the limits'' of what was allowed?

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** ''WesternAnimation/{{Fantasia}}'': Would you believe that, after decades of music videos, the concept of this was novel? While it has been able to age well due to the VisualEffectsOfAwesome , but VisualEffectsOfAwesome, the concept sounds entirely cliche with the availability of music videos on the internet.
*** The Rite of Spring mention deserves special mention - Would -- would you believe that it showing the history of earth being formed not by God, but by what is considered scientific was actually ''pushing the limits'' of what was allowed?
23rd Dec '15 9:42:25 PM Kid
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** Disney animation from the 1930s and 1940s: Think of this: many animation techniques have all been pioneered and perfected by the Walt Disney Company: synchronizing animation with sound, color animation, animated features, making characters appear as if they are actual personalities, dramatic atmosphere, overcoming technical difficulties (streaming rivers, ocean water, rain, light effects, shadows, fire,...), detailed backgrounds, having large groups of characters appear in the same scene, avoiding continuity errors, storyboarding scenes,... And all of it was done ''by hand''! Yet nowadays most people take it all for granted, failing to see how groundbreaking all these innovaties were at the time and still are.

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** Disney animation from the 1930s and 1940s: Think of this: many animation techniques have all been pioneered and perfected by the Walt Disney Company: synchronizing animation with sound, color animation, animated features, making characters appear as if they are actual personalities, dramatic atmosphere, overcoming technical difficulties (streaming rivers, ocean water, rain, light effects, shadows, fire,...), detailed backgrounds, having large groups of characters appear in the same scene, avoiding continuity errors, storyboarding scenes,... And all of it was done ''by hand''! Yet nowadays most people take it all for granted, failing to see how groundbreaking all these innovaties innovations were at the time and still are.
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