History SeinfeldIsUnfunny / WesternAnimation

26th Aug '16 10:50:52 PM Noah1
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** Disney princesses. Disney/SnowWhite, [[Disney/SleepingBeauty Princess Aurora]], and Disney/{{Cinderella}}. People like to complain that these characters are boring and don't do much, especially as compared to their later counterparts. What many forget however is that these characters could be considered very active when compared to most depictions of women in media at the time, and had at least as much personality. They appear even more active and nuanced when compared to the characters from the original fairy tales who did and said far less. For example both Snow White and Aurora's relationships with their princes was an improvement over the original fairy tales - in that they met before they were saved. Aurora in particular was the first princess to actually properly get to know her prince - even though their time together was brief.

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** Disney princesses.{{Disney princess}}es. Disney/SnowWhite, [[Disney/SleepingBeauty Princess Aurora]], and Disney/{{Cinderella}}. People like to complain that these characters are boring and don't do much, especially as compared to their later counterparts. What many forget however is that these characters could be considered very active when compared to most depictions of women in media at the time, and had at least as much personality. They appear even more active and nuanced when compared to the characters from the original fairy tales who did and said far less. For example both Snow White and Aurora's relationships with their princes was an improvement over the original fairy tales - in that they met before they were saved. Aurora in particular was the first princess to actually properly get to know her prince - even though their time together was brief.


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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' itself is also starting to face this. It premiered during a sad time for animation, with the [[Creator/{{Nickelodeon}} big three]] [[Creator/CartoonNetwork cartoon]] [[Creator/DisneyChannel channels]] grappling with {{Dork Age}}s, and the only shows held in universal regard at the time being the then-recent ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb'' and ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime''. The fact it was not only a great show, but also a part of what was once seen as [[TastesLikeDiabetes the most insipidly syrupy]] [[Franchise/MyLittlePony franchises of all time]] caused a ''huge'' boom in web media and gave rise to one of the largest and loudest {{Fandom}}s ever known. Half a decade later, the animation medium sees a second Renaissance, and we get shows such as ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' and ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'', which also have {{rounded|character}}, {{dynamic|character}}, and likeable characters, and deal with intense themes in a way that both kids and adults can appreciate. While ''Friendship is Magic'' is still good, its claim to fame as [[GirlShowGhetto a girly show that's actually good]] is starting to seem less quaint, and a viewer of the aforementioned shows unfamiliar with ''[=FiM=]'' might wonder how it amassed a fanbase that could potentially rival the Trekkie movement.
14th Aug '16 11:41:31 PM BatmanKalEl
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheFlintstones'' has been hit pretty hard by this trope. Let alone being the first true animated sitcom, ''The Flintstones'' was the first animated program to feature a predominantly human cast and episodes spanning an entire 30 minutes. Up until that point, cartoons were usually brief seven or eight minute shorts featuring {{funny animal}}s (with a few exceptions, such as ''WesternAnimation/BettyBoop'', ''ComicStrip/{{Popeye}}'', and ''WesternAnimation/MisterMagoo'') either played in theaters before a movie or pieced together for television broadcasts. Hard though it may be to believe, episodic cartoons in general (let alone shows like ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' and ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'') would have never existed if not for this classic series about a "modern stone age family." But to modern viewers ''The Flintstones'' looks more like your average corny 1960s TV sitcom, only with a lot of AnachronismStew, lame rock and stone puns and animals used as modern day appliances, not to mention the obvious laugh track.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheFlintstones'' has been hit pretty hard by this trope. Let alone being the first true animated sitcom, ''The Flintstones'' was the first animated program to feature a predominantly human cast and episodes spanning an entire 30 minutes. Up until that point, cartoons were usually brief seven or eight minute shorts featuring {{funny animal}}s (with a few exceptions, such as ''WesternAnimation/BettyBoop'', ''ComicStrip/{{Popeye}}'', and ''WesternAnimation/MisterMagoo'') ''WesternAnimation/MrMagoo'') either played in theaters before a movie or pieced together for television broadcasts. Hard though it may be to believe, episodic cartoons in general (let alone shows like ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' and ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'') would have never existed if not for this classic series about a "modern stone age family." But to modern viewers ''The Flintstones'' looks more like your average corny 1960s TV sitcom, only with a lot of AnachronismStew, lame rock and stone puns and animals used as modern day appliances, not to mention the obvious laugh track.
23rd Jul '16 1:15:07 PM prettycoolguy
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* ''WesternAnimation/CodenameKidsNextDoor'' was one of the first mainstream Western kids' shows to undergo CerebusSyndrome and experiment with world-building and story arcs. However, its heavy influence has made it difficult for a new viewer to see what's so special about it.



* ''WesternAnimation/{{Doug}}'' premiered in 1991, before most SliceOfLife animated shows were created, thus creating a rather large impact. However, with a lot of the shows of the genre today, it makes everything in ''Doug'' look rather cliche, though that's mainly due to many shows of the genre using plots similar to the show's episodes.



* ''WesternAnimation/{{Doug}}'' premiered in 1991, before most SliceOfLife animated shows were created, thus creating a rather large impact. However, with a lot of the shows of the genre today, it makes everything in ''Doug'' look rather cliche, though that's mainly due to many shows of the genre using plots similar to the show's episodes.
* Similarly, ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTales'', which premiered a year later, also had a considerable impact on the SliceOfLife genre. These days, however, the series appears to be cliched and rather dated, even more so ever since ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' premiered.

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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Doug}}'' premiered in 1991, before most SliceOfLife animated shows were created, thus creating a rather large impact. However, with a lot of the shows of the genre today, it makes everything in ''Doug'' look rather cliche, though that's mainly due to many shows of the genre using plots similar to the show's episodes.
* Similarly, ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTales'', which premiered a year later, also
''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTales'' had a considerable impact on the SliceOfLife genre. These days, however, the series appears to be cliched and rather dated, even more so ever since ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' premiered.



* ''WesternAnimation/CodenameKidsNextDoor'' was one of the first mainstream Western kids' shows to undergo CerebusSyndrome and experiment with world-building and story arcs. However, its heavy influence has made it difficult for a new viewer to see what's so special about it.
10th Jun '16 11:19:55 PM Miracle@StOlaf
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** It was also parodied in ''WesternAnimation/{{Animaniacs}}'', in an OriginsEpisode, where the three protagonists' history was established. Supposedly, they were first inserted in a cartoon with a character named "Buddy" to liven it up, after the producer claimed Buddy was "a cure for insomnia".

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** It was also parodied in ''WesternAnimation/{{Animaniacs}}'', in an OriginsEpisode, where the three protagonists' history was established. Supposedly, they were first inserted in a cartoon with a character named "Buddy" to liven it up, after the producer claimed Buddy was "a cure for insomnia".insomnia" ([[AluminumChristmasTrees Buddy was, in fact, a real Warner Bros. character who was phased out because his cartoons were boring]]).
14th May '16 10:03:00 AM Vir
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* ''WesternAnimation/CodenameKidsNextDoor'' was one of the first mainstream Western kids' shows to undergo CerebusSyndrome and experiment with world-building and story arcs. However, it's heavy influence it has made it difficult for a new viewer to see what's so special about it. This may be why reruns of the show are relatively rare.

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* ''WesternAnimation/CodenameKidsNextDoor'' was one of the first mainstream Western kids' shows to undergo CerebusSyndrome and experiment with world-building and story arcs. However, it's its heavy influence it has made it difficult for a new viewer to see what's so special about it. This may be why reruns of the show are relatively rare.it.
14th May '16 10:02:01 AM Vir
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* ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'' is an interesting example in that it's become this trope due to an entirely different medium. When it debuted back in 2005, its unique style of rapid-fire, witty humor and clever parodies of beloved pop culture icons simply couldn't be found in any other stop-motion animated show. The closest it resembled are the cutaway gag in ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'', which is an animated cartoon. To an extent, that's still true; to this day, nothing like it exists ''[[ExactWords on television]]''. However, it's spawned countless [[FollowTheLeader imitators]] on the Web, a good number of which manage to stand out even in comparison to the show they imitate (see ''[[WebAnimation/ASDFMovie asdfmovie]]'', ''WebAnimation/TheLazerCollection'', and ''WebAnimation/SonicShorts'' for a few examples), so for someone who started on one of those series and was then introduced to ''Robot Chicken'' later, it likely wouldn't come off as anything special.

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* ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'' is an interesting example in that it's become this trope due to an entirely different medium. When it debuted back in 2005, its unique style of rapid-fire, witty humor and clever parodies of beloved pop culture icons simply couldn't be found in any other stop-motion animated show. The closest it resembled are the cutaway gag gags in ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'', which is an animated cartoon. To an extent, that's still true; to this day, nothing like it exists ''[[ExactWords on television]]''. However, it's spawned countless [[FollowTheLeader imitators]] on the Web, a good number of which manage to stand out even in comparison to the show they imitate (see ''[[WebAnimation/ASDFMovie asdfmovie]]'', ''WebAnimation/TheLazerCollection'', and ''WebAnimation/SonicShorts'' for a few examples), so for someone who started on one of those series and was then introduced to ''Robot Chicken'' later, it likely wouldn't come off as anything special.
14th May '16 10:01:32 AM Vir
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* ''WesternAnimation/BeavisAndButthead'' debuted in the very early nineties, at a time when the AnimationAgeGhetto was still very strong, and ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' was just breaking through, while still remaining relatively family friendly. ''Beavis and Butthead'' on the other hand was shocking and caused a panic among the MoralGuardians, being one of only a very ''very'' few animated programs that didn't target children. Nowadays we have ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'', ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'', the entire Creator/AdultSwim lineup, and countless other "Late Night Cartoons", to the point that ''Beavis and Butthead'' looks tame, and downright corny by comparison.

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* ''WesternAnimation/BeavisAndButthead'' ''WesternAnimation/BeavisAndButtHead'' debuted in the very early nineties, at a time when the AnimationAgeGhetto was still very strong, and ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' was just breaking through, while still remaining relatively family friendly. ''Beavis and Butthead'' on the other hand was shocking and caused a panic among the MoralGuardians, being one of only a very ''very'' few animated programs that didn't target children. Nowadays we have ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'', ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'', the entire Creator/AdultSwim lineup, and countless other "Late Night Cartoons", to the point that ''Beavis and Butthead'' looks tame, and downright corny by comparison.
10th May '16 10:08:16 PM Odacon_Spy
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''WesternAnimation/MightyMouseTheNewAdventures'' suffers from this badly nowadays. It was a revolutionary show and concept for its day, and essentially served as a training ground for future animation pros today, and for bringing back cartoon animation in the vein of classic cartoons to the mainstream in TV. However, today, due to the success of all the shows created in it's wake, especially ''WesternAnimation/TheRenAndStimpyShow'''' most modern viewers might not find it revolutionary, not helped that the show had many production woes and animation and art mistakes (as attested by former staff, [[http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2008/09/wonky-2.html including]] Creator/JohnKricfalusi).

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* ''WesternAnimation/MightyMouseTheNewAdventures'' suffers from this badly nowadays. It was a revolutionary show and concept for its day, and essentially served as a training ground for future animation pros today, and for bringing back cartoon animation in the vein of classic cartoons to the mainstream in TV. However, today, due to the success of all the shows created in it's wake, especially ''WesternAnimation/TheRenAndStimpyShow'''' most modern viewers might not find it revolutionary, not helped that the show had many production woes and animation and art mistakes (as attested by former staff, [[http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2008/09/wonky-2.html including]] Creator/JohnKricfalusi).
6th May '16 5:21:47 PM grapesandmilk
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** ''WesternAnimation/{{Fantasia}}'': Would you believe that, after decades of music videos, the concept of this was novel? While it has been able to age well due to the VisualEffectsOfAwesome, the concept sounds entirely cliche with the availability of music videos on the internet.

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** ''WesternAnimation/{{Fantasia}}'': ''Disney/{{Fantasia}}'': Would you believe that, after decades of music videos, the concept of this was novel? While it has been able to age well due to the VisualEffectsOfAwesome, the concept sounds entirely cliche with the availability of music videos on the internet.
1st May '16 2:55:35 PM WhatArtThee
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* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'' was a huge leap forward in its depiction of action and drama in a superhero cartoon. While some episodes still hold up pretty well a modern audience may not be as impressed with it, given how much further superhero shows have come since then. A few of them ("I've Got Batman in My Basement" comes to mind) actually have more in common with the corny kiddie shows they were trying to replace than with the newer shows they inspired, and are now an OldShame to the animators.

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* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'' was a huge leap forward in its depiction of action and drama in a superhero cartoon. While some episodes still hold up pretty well a A modern audience audience, however, may not be as impressed with it, given how much further superhero shows have come in terms of darkness and drama since then. A few of them ("I've Got Batman in My Basement" comes to mind) actually have more in common with the corny kiddie shows they were trying to replace than with the newer shows they inspired, and are now an OldShame to the animators.



* ''WesternAnimation/MightyMouse: The New Adventures''. It was a revolutionary show and concept for its day, being a show where it was directed and written entirely by cartoonists (which was a very unique concept for cartoons of the time), and essentially served as a training ground for future animation pros today, and for bringing back cartoon animation in the vein of classic cartoons to the mainstream in TV (and, obviously, laying the groundwork for shows like Ren and Stimpy). Unfortunately, the actual production quality of the show has aged horribly, not helped that the show had many production woes, animation and art mistakes and sloppy execution (as attested by former staff, [[http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2008/09/wonky-2.html including]] Creator/JohnKricfalusi) and many of the jokes and satire will seem either tame or fly right over the heads of today's viewers.

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* ''WesternAnimation/MightyMouse: The New Adventures''. ''WesternAnimation/MightyMouseTheNewAdventures'' suffers from this badly nowadays. It was a revolutionary show and concept for its day, being a show where it was directed and written entirely by cartoonists (which was a very unique concept for cartoons of the time), and essentially served as a training ground for future animation pros today, and for bringing back cartoon animation in the vein of classic cartoons to the mainstream in TV (and, obviously, laying TV. However, today, due to the groundwork for success of all the shows like Ren and Stimpy). Unfortunately, the actual production quality of the show has aged horribly, created in it's wake, especially ''WesternAnimation/TheRenAndStimpyShow'''' most modern viewers might not find it revolutionary, not helped that the show had many production woes, woes and animation and art mistakes and sloppy execution (as attested by former staff, [[http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2008/09/wonky-2.html including]] Creator/JohnKricfalusi) and many of the jokes and satire will seem either tame or fly right over the heads of today's viewers.Creator/JohnKricfalusi).



* While ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory'' still holds up remarkably well, the graphics that were state of the art back in 1995 pale in comparison to what's being done today. The humans look [[UncannyValley almost as plastic as the toys]] (which is why they told a story where the main characters ''were'' toys), there's an airless quality to the outside scenes, and the animation is not as fluid and nuanced as what we see today. Not that the movie has now become unwatchable, far from it, but compare it to ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory2'' just four years later and the improvement is remarkable. And then compare ''that'' to ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory3'' 11 years after, and you appreciate how much CGI has evolved in such a short time. Also, consider the fact that before ''Toy Story'', the number of fully computer-generated feature films was exactly zero, and it would be two more years before there was another such film. [[TechnologyMarchesOn With CGI so ubiquitous today]], it's hard to imagine how mindblowing an experience it was to see Woody and Buzz for the first time.

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* While ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory'' still holds up remarkably well, the ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory'''s graphics that were state of the art back in 1995 1995, they pale in comparison to what's being done today. The humans look [[UncannyValley almost as plastic as the toys]] (which is why they told a story where the main characters ''were'' toys), there's an airless quality to the outside scenes, and the animation is not as fluid and nuanced as what we see today. Not that the movie has now become unwatchable, far from it, but compare it to ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory2'' just four years later and the improvement is remarkable. And then compare ''that'' to ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory3'' 11 years after, and you appreciate how much CGI has evolved in such a short time. Also, consider the fact that before ''Toy Story'', the number of fully computer-generated feature films was exactly zero, and it would be two more years before there was another such film. [[TechnologyMarchesOn With CGI so ubiquitous today]], it's hard to imagine how mindblowing an experience it was to see Woody and Buzz for the first time.



* ''WesternAnimation/CodenameKidsNextDoor'' was one of the first mainstream Western kids' shows to undergo CerebusSyndrome and experiment with world-building and story arcs. While it's aged a ''lot'' better than other examples here, it can be difficult for a new viewer to see what's so special about it. This may be why reruns of the show are relatively rare.

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* ''WesternAnimation/CodenameKidsNextDoor'' was one of the first mainstream Western kids' shows to undergo CerebusSyndrome and experiment with world-building and story arcs. While However, it's aged a ''lot'' better than other examples here, heavy influence it can be has made it difficult for a new viewer to see what's so special about it. This may be why reruns of the show are relatively rare.
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