History SeinfeldIsUnfunny / ProfessionalWrestling

10th Apr '17 7:10:02 PM nombretomado
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* Fans of WWE's Brand Extension/Ruthless Aggression era got used to seeing main-event wrestlers - Wrestling/EddieGuerrero, Wrestling/{{Edge}}, Wrestling/CMPunk - who don't have muscles on top of muscles. Wrestling/BretHart and ShawnMichaels paved the way for all of them. Nether were small men by any means ( both 6-foot-1 and light heavyweights, which is still bigger than most American males), but they were frequently dwarfed by other "main event" opponents more often than not. It's hard to appreciate just how much of a big deal it was for Hart to become a three-time WWE Champion and then for Michaels to become the second (after Hulk Hogan) back-to-back Royal Rumble Match winner (and from the first-entrant position one of those times, no less!) and to defeat Hart clean for the WWE Championship in one of the longest ''[=WrestleMania=]'' matches ever at ''[=WrestleMania=] XII''. Hard to believe now, but there was a time when people actually doubted the "Heart Break Kid."

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* Fans of WWE's Brand Extension/Ruthless Aggression era got used to seeing main-event wrestlers - Wrestling/EddieGuerrero, Wrestling/{{Edge}}, Wrestling/CMPunk - who don't have muscles on top of muscles. Wrestling/BretHart and ShawnMichaels Wrestling/ShawnMichaels paved the way for all of them. Nether were small men by any means ( both 6-foot-1 and light heavyweights, which is still bigger than most American males), but they were frequently dwarfed by other "main event" opponents more often than not. It's hard to appreciate just how much of a big deal it was for Hart to become a three-time WWE Champion and then for Michaels to become the second (after Hulk Hogan) back-to-back Royal Rumble Match winner (and from the first-entrant position one of those times, no less!) and to defeat Hart clean for the WWE Championship in one of the longest ''[=WrestleMania=]'' matches ever at ''[=WrestleMania=] XII''. Hard to believe now, but there was a time when people actually doubted the "Heart Break Kid."
5th Apr '17 5:07:42 PM SomeoneElse17
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The short version: You pioneer a match concept, wrestling style, finishing move, storyline, character gimmick, etc., on a big stage in professional wrestling, you become iconic for it. Then other people come along and do that same thing better than you, and sooner or later it becomes routine for people to do it better than you, and the fans who came along with the better versions all around them see you one day and start thinking you're not that special because they see better all the time…all the while underestimating the fact that ''you made this thing get big in the first place''.

The long version? See below.
21st Jan '17 10:00:31 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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* Compared to most of today's Divas, the in-ring efforts of Wrestling/StacyKeibler look pretty unimpressive. But she was a graduate, along with her friend Wrestling/TorrieWilson, of WCW's [[TrainingFromHell famously grueling "Power Plant"]], and she helped pave the way for [[WaifFu slightly-built women to be taken seriously as wrestlers]]. Kelly Kelly and the Bella Twins are arguably her [[SpiritualSuccessor Spiritual Successors]].

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* Compared to most of today's Divas, the in-ring efforts of Wrestling/StacyKeibler look pretty unimpressive. But she was a graduate, along with her friend Wrestling/TorrieWilson, of WCW's Wrestling/{{WCW}}'s [[TrainingFromHell famously grueling "Power Plant"]], and she helped pave the way for [[WaifFu slightly-built women to be taken seriously as wrestlers]]. Kelly Kelly and the Bella Twins are arguably her [[SpiritualSuccessor Spiritual Successors]].



* Wrestling/RicFlair. For anyone born after about 1980, Flair was the ancient, balding goof who could barely wrestle and would just chest-chop and eye-poke his opponents the whole match before finally slapping on the figure-four leglock at the end (which he almost never actually won a match with). Unless they grew up on WCW and saw all his battles with Sting and the second incarnation of the Horsemen. Even in WWE, Flair managed to pull off classics every now and then. He fought Triple H in a brutal cage match at the 2005 Taboo Tuesday, and Wrestling/{{Edge}} in a TLC match for the World Title on Raw. Completely subverted during his retirement match against Shawn Michaels at [=WrestleMania=] 24 when Flair suddenly seemed to wind back the clock twenty years and busted out moves that he hadn't used in decades.

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* Wrestling/RicFlair. For anyone born after about 1980, Flair was the ancient, balding goof who could barely wrestle and would just chest-chop and eye-poke his opponents the whole match before finally slapping on the figure-four leglock at the end (which he almost never actually won a match with). Unless they grew up on WCW and saw all his battles with Sting and the second incarnation of [[Wrestling/TheFourHorsemen the Horsemen.Horsemen]]. Even in WWE, Flair managed to pull off classics every now and then. He fought Triple H in a brutal cage match at the 2005 Taboo Tuesday, and Wrestling/{{Edge}} in a TLC match for the World Title on Raw. Completely subverted during his retirement match against Shawn Michaels at [=WrestleMania=] 24 when Flair suddenly seemed to wind back the clock twenty years and busted out moves that he hadn't used in decades.
23rd Oct '16 11:22:17 AM IndirectActiveTransport
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* Going back to at least 1937, the [[GimmickMatches steel cage match]] was once promoted as being among the most dangerous matches one could participate in that could shorten a wrestler's career. It seems relatively tame compared to later variations done by Wrestling/DustyRhodes, the Memphis territories, Hell in a Cell, War Games, the Elimination Chamber, Wrestling/{{CZW}}'s Cage Of Death, ect.

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* Going back to at least 1937, the [[GimmickMatches steel cage match]] was once promoted as being among the most dangerous matches one could participate in that could shorten a wrestler's career. It seems relatively tame compared to later variations done by Wrestling/DustyRhodes, the Memphis territories, Hell in a Cell, War Games, the Elimination Chamber, Wrestling/{{CZW}}'s Cage Of Death, ect.etc.
25th Jul '16 10:21:01 PM thecarolinabull01
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* Wrestling/TrishStratus was a huge success story during her career -- WWE had brought in Wrestling/{{Sable}} as a valet in 1996 and she had a brief run with the revived [[http://www.wrestling-titles.com/wwe/wwf-wm.html WWE Women's Title]] before her ego took over and she made herself PersonaNonGrata, but Trish herself was the first (in WWE at least) to develop onscreen from an eye candy valet with patchy mic skills to a charismatic star who is now regarded as one of the best female wrestlers in North America. These days at least 60% of the women's division in WWE (and some of TNA's roster too) is made up of former models brought in and trained to wrestle in the hopes of replicating Trish's success, and nearly all of them have failed to even get a fraction of Trish's popularity.
* At the time of her debut in WWE, Wrestling/{{Lita}}'s style of wrestling was very innovative for American female wrestlers at the time as moves such as headscissors, hurricanranas, and moonsaults were barely used by women in WWE (there were plenty of high-flying women in Japan, though). These days (see the Trish example above) due to having to work extremely short matches all the time, the models brought in by WWE will often learn flashy moves like hurricanranas to make their matches appear more exciting and cover up their lack of wrestling ability. If the models are former gymnasts this can work fine and they eventually develop into competent wrestlers (Eve Torres, Kelly Kelly) or they can just come across as sloppy {{spot monkey}}s (*cough* Wrestling/AshleyMassaro). When watching a WWE divas match, if a girl is doing only flashy moves and throwing weak punches and clotheslines then she hasn't been wrestling that long. If there's proper groundwork and chain work in there, she's a lot more experienced.
** Also, moves such as moonsaults and hurricanranas are more staples of women's wrestling these days than men's in WWE at least due to the retirement of the Cruiserweight division.

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* Wrestling/TrishStratus was a huge success story during her career -- WWE had brought in Wrestling/{{Sable}} as a valet in 1996 and she had a brief run with the revived [[http://www.wrestling-titles.com/wwe/wwf-wm.html WWE Women's Title]] before her ego took over and she made herself PersonaNonGrata, but Trish herself was the first (in WWE at least) to develop onscreen from an eye candy valet with patchy mic skills to a charismatic star who is now regarded as one of the best female wrestlers in North America. These days Between 2005 and 2014 at least 60% of the women's division in WWE (and some of TNA's roster too) is were made up of former models brought in and trained to wrestle in the hopes of replicating Trish's success, and nearly all of them have failed to even get a fraction of Trish's popularity.
* At the time of her debut in WWE, Wrestling/{{Lita}}'s style of wrestling was very innovative for American female wrestlers at the time as moves such as headscissors, hurricanranas, and moonsaults were barely used by women in WWE (there were plenty of high-flying women in Japan, though). These days (see the Trish example above) due to having to work extremely short matches all the time, the models brought in by WWE will often learn learned flashy moves like hurricanranas to make their matches appear more exciting and cover up their lack of wrestling ability. If the models are former gymnasts this can work fine and they eventually develop into competent wrestlers (Eve Torres, Kelly Kelly) or they can just come across as sloppy {{spot monkey}}s (*cough* Wrestling/AshleyMassaro). When watching a WWE divas match, if a girl is doing only flashy moves and throwing weak punches and clotheslines then she hasn't been wrestling that long. If there's proper groundwork and chain work in there, she's a lot more experienced.
** Also,
experienced. These days moves such as moonsaults and hurricanranas are more staples of women's wrestling these days than men's in WWE at least due to the retirement of the Cruiserweight division.
24th Jul '16 6:22:22 PM thecarolinabull01
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* Wrestling/{{Sable}} gets put down for being a "fake wrestler" (she had it written into her contract that she couldn't take front bumps at all for fear of damaging her implants, and she didn't bump much at all) and not as tough as today's Divas. Well, you have to understand that when she made her debut in WWE in the mid-1990s, the women's division had almost completely disappeared and it was rare to see females doing ''anything'' in the ring. The most famous Diva pre-Attitude Era, Sunny, was a manager who hardly wrestled at all). Sable also was a pioneer in proving that female wrestlers could be both blonde sex symbols and physical powerhouses. Wrestling/{{Jacqueline}} was WWE's first choice for new champion too, but Sable was popular enough for them to change their minds.

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* Wrestling/{{Sable}} gets put down for being a "fake wrestler" FauxActionGirl (she had it written into her contract that she couldn't take front bumps at all for fear of damaging her implants, and she didn't bump much at all) and not as tough as today's Divas.Divas, as well as being, by all accounts, a NiceCharacterMeanActor who just used wrestling to get famous. Well, you have to understand that when she made her debut in WWE in the mid-1990s, the women's division had almost completely disappeared and it was rare to see females doing ''anything'' in the ring. The most famous Diva pre-Attitude Era, Sunny, was a manager who hardly wrestled at all). Sable also was a pioneer in proving that female wrestlers could be both blonde sex symbols and physical powerhouses. Wrestling/{{Jacqueline}} was WWE's first choice for new champion too, but Sable was popular enough for them to change their minds.
24th Jul '16 6:13:20 PM thecarolinabull01
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* Wrestling/RicFlair. For anyone born after about 1980, Flair was the ancient, balding goof who could barely wrestle and would just chest-chop, cheat and eye-poke his opponents the whole match before finally slapping on the figure-four leglock at the end. Unless they grew up on WCW and saw all his battles with Sting and the second incarnation of the Horsemen. Even in WWE, Flair managed to pull off classics every now and then. He fought Triple H in a brutal cage match at the 2005 Taboo Tuesday, and Wrestling/{{Edge}} in a TLC match for the World Title on Raw. Completely subverted during his retirement match against Shawn Michaels at [=WrestleMania=] 24 when Flair suddenly seemed to wind back the clock twenty years and busted out moves that he hadn't used in decades.

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* Wrestling/RicFlair. For anyone born after about 1980, Flair was the ancient, balding goof who could barely wrestle and would just chest-chop, cheat chest-chop and eye-poke his opponents the whole match before finally slapping on the figure-four leglock at the end.end (which he almost never actually won a match with). Unless they grew up on WCW and saw all his battles with Sting and the second incarnation of the Horsemen. Even in WWE, Flair managed to pull off classics every now and then. He fought Triple H in a brutal cage match at the 2005 Taboo Tuesday, and Wrestling/{{Edge}} in a TLC match for the World Title on Raw. Completely subverted during his retirement match against Shawn Michaels at [=WrestleMania=] 24 when Flair suddenly seemed to wind back the clock twenty years and busted out moves that he hadn't used in decades.
24th Jul '16 6:11:23 PM thecarolinabull01
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* Addressed in [[http://www.diva-dirt.com/2008/09/01/one-year-on-comparing-candice/ this article]] with regards to Wrestling/CandiceMichelle. Similar to Wrestling/TrishStratus, WWE had buried its women's division and released most of its actual wrestlers. They brought in various models to be characters on TV and there were very few active wrestlers left. Candice was one such model that put in the work to improve her wrestling. Critics and fans were heaping praise on her for it. Watching her matches back now makes her come across as rather average in the ring but back in 2007, fans were shocked that a Diva Search contestant could evolve into a competent wrestler. This became old hat one year on as the article points out - Wrestling/MichelleMcCool, Wrestling/{{Layla}}, Wrestling/KellyKelly, Wrestling/{{Maryse}} (and eventually Wrestling/EveTorres who came along a little later) had also progressed in the ring and were outperforming Candice greatly.

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* Addressed in [[http://www.diva-dirt.com/2008/09/01/one-year-on-comparing-candice/ this article]] with regards to Wrestling/CandiceMichelle. Similar to Wrestling/TrishStratus, WWE had buried its women's division and released most of its actual wrestlers. They brought in various models to be characters on TV and there were very few active wrestlers left. Candice was one such model that put in the work to improve her wrestling. Critics and fans were heaping praise on her for it. Watching her matches back now makes her come across as rather average in the ring but back in 2007, fans were shocked that a Diva Search contestant could evolve into a competent wrestler. This became old hat one year on as the article points out - Wrestling/MichelleMcCool, Wrestling/{{Layla}}, Wrestling/KellyKelly, Wrestling/{{Maryse}} (and eventually Wrestling/EveTorres who came along a little later) had also progressed in the ring and were outperforming Candice greatly.greatly.
* Wrestling/RicFlair. For anyone born after about 1980, Flair was the ancient, balding goof who could barely wrestle and would just chest-chop, cheat and eye-poke his opponents the whole match before finally slapping on the figure-four leglock at the end. Unless they grew up on WCW and saw all his battles with Sting and the second incarnation of the Horsemen. Even in WWE, Flair managed to pull off classics every now and then. He fought Triple H in a brutal cage match at the 2005 Taboo Tuesday, and Wrestling/{{Edge}} in a TLC match for the World Title on Raw. Completely subverted during his retirement match against Shawn Michaels at [=WrestleMania=] 24 when Flair suddenly seemed to wind back the clock twenty years and busted out moves that he hadn't used in decades.
17th Jul '16 10:33:43 PM thecarolinabull01
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* The [[Wrestling/NewWorldOrder nWo]] Wolfpac were actually very popular, maybe even '''MORE''' popular than the original nWo. At least a quarter of the audience was covered in Wolfpac merch and signs and they were popular enough that during the Nash[=/=]Wrestling/{{Goldberg}} match, the commentators had to no-sell very audible "Goldberg sucks" chants from Wolfpac fans. The bookers hadn't even planned to make the Wolfpac face, it was the massive positive reactions they got that turned them face. In the retelling, however, they're usually considered to be stale and a ratings drain (which didn't really happen until the FingerPokeOfDoom).

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* The [[Wrestling/NewWorldOrder nWo]] Wolfpac were actually very popular, maybe Wrestling/NewWorldOrder was a breath of fresh air in an industry that had previously been dominated with cheesy storylines and cartoonish supermen and kickstarted a second wrestling boom that was even '''MORE''' popular bigger than the original nWo. At least a quarter of previous one. As wrestling fans got older and peoples' tastes began to change, the audience nWo was covered in Wolfpac merch revolutionary because it felt very realistic and signs and they were popular enough edgy. So realistic that a few people called 911 during the Nash[=/=]Wrestling/{{Goldberg}} match, the commentators had to no-sell very audible "Goldberg sucks" chants from Wolfpac fans. The bookers hadn't even planned to make the Wolfpac face, one of their beat downs because they believed it was the massive positive reactions they got a real assault! However, every heel faction that turned them face. In has appeared in wrestling since has ripped off the retelling, however, they're usually considered nWo in some form or fashion so it can be difficult for modern wrestling fans to be stale see why the black and a ratings drain (which didn't really happen until white clad street thugs who trashed the FingerPokeOfDoom).environment, beat up their adversaries and spray painted their bodies became so popular.
24th Jun '16 8:04:41 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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* The [[Wrestling/NewWorldOrder nWo]] Wolfpac were actually very popular, maybe even '''MORE''' popular than the original nWo. At least a quarter of the audience was covered in Wolfpac merch and signs and they were popular enough that during the Nash[=/=]Wrestling/{{Goldberg}} match, the commentators had to no-sell very audible "Goldberg sucks" chants from Wolfpac fans. The bookers hadn't even planned to make the Wolfpac face, it was the massive positive reactions they got that turned them face. In the retelling, however, they're usually considered to be stale and a ratings drain (which didn't really happen until the FingerPokeOfDoom).



* German Stampede, wXw, Wrestling/AjaKong's ARSION, Wrestling/{{A|llJapanWomensProWrestling}}JW, [[Wrestling/ProWrestlingZero1 Zero 1]] and the like sending personal invitations to rookie indie wrestlers wrestling in front of crowds of two dozen in boondocks of the USA seems a little strange with the establishment of Wrestling/RingOfHonor, TNA, Wrestling/{{Chikara}} and so on but for a time, between WWF's general isolationism and the financial mismanagement of WCW and ECW, who eventually went under, that was among the only ways to get [[ForeignWrestlingHeel American talent]]. [[VindicatedByHistory In vindication]], Wrestling/SamoaJoe, Wrestling/CheerleaderMelissa, Wrestling/SaraDelRey, Wrestling/AmazingKong, Wrestling/LondonAndKendrick and many others would go on to be great but Wrestling/LowKi and Wrestling/BryanDanielson were still derided for "wrestling in gyms in front of 40 people" on WWE contest show NXT, where it was [[TakeThatAudience insisted]] they were only popular with [[CriticalResearchFailure internet nerds]] and would "sink and drown in the big leagues" even though they were light year ahead of everyone else on the show([[CriticalResearchFailure many of whom had also wrestled in]] "minor leagues" ''without'' becoming popular with the so called internet nerds)
* Addressed in [[http://www.diva-dirt.com/2008/09/01/one-year-on-comparing-candice/ this article]] with regards to Wrestling/CandiceMichelle. Similar to Wrestling/TrishStratus, WWE had buried its women's division and released most of its actual wrestlers. They brought in various models to be characters on TV and there were very few active wrestlers left. Candice was one such model that put in the work to improve her wrestling. Critics and fans were heaping praise on her for it. Watching her matches back now makes her come across as rather average in the ring but back in 2007, fans were shocked that a Diva Search contestant could evolve into a competent wrestler. This became old hat one year on as the article points out - Wrestling/MichelleMcCool, Wrestling/{{Layla}}, Wrestling/KellyKelly, Wrestling/{{Maryse}} (and eventually Wrestling/EveTorres who came along a little later) had also progressed in the ring and were outperforming Candice greatly.
* The [[Wrestling/NewWorldOrder nWo]] Wolfpac were actually very popular, maybe even '''MORE''' popular than the original nWo. At least a quarter of the audience was covered in Wolfpac merch and signs and they were popular enough that during the Nash[=/=]Wrestling/{{Goldberg}} match, the commentators had to no-sell very audible "Goldberg sucks" chants from Wolfpac fans. The bookers hadn't even planned to make the Wolfpac face, it was the massive positive reactions they got that turned them face. In the retelling, however, they're usually considered to be stale and a ratings drain.

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* German Stampede, wXw, Wrestling/AjaKong's ARSION, Wrestling/{{A|llJapanWomensProWrestling}}JW, [[Wrestling/ProWrestlingZero1 Zero 1]] and the like sending personal invitations to rookie indie wrestlers wrestling in front of crowds of two dozen in boondocks of the USA seems a little strange with the establishment of Wrestling/RingOfHonor, TNA, Wrestling/{{Chikara}} and so on but for a time, between the WWF's general isolationism and the financial mismanagement of WCW and ECW, who eventually went ECW causing them to go under, that was among the only ways to get [[ForeignWrestlingHeel American talent]]. [[VindicatedByHistory In vindication]], Wrestling/SamoaJoe, Wrestling/CheerleaderMelissa, Wrestling/SaraDelRey, Wrestling/AmazingKong, Wrestling/LondonAndKendrick and many others would go on to be great but Wrestling/LowKi and Wrestling/BryanDanielson were still derided for "wrestling in gyms in front of 40 people" on WWE contest show NXT, where it was [[TakeThatAudience insisted]] they were only popular with [[CriticalResearchFailure internet nerds]] and would "sink and drown in the big leagues" even though they were light year years ahead of everyone else on the show([[CriticalResearchFailure many of whom had also wrestled in]] "minor leagues" ''without'' becoming popular with the so called internet nerds)
* Another involving Low Ki and Samoa Joe that ROH itself admitted was their [[GimmickMatches fight without honor]]. While it is still a good match, fans were still used to seeing strict enforcement regarding the CodeOfHonor, so two wrestlers simply not shaking hands was always a big deal, and wrestlers not having to fear dismissal due to disqualification very intriguing. Latter fights happened during the times the code was no longer enforced or done away with entirely for ''every match'' and thus were much more violent.
* Addressed in [[http://www.diva-dirt.com/2008/09/01/one-year-on-comparing-candice/ this article]] with regards to Wrestling/CandiceMichelle. Similar to Wrestling/TrishStratus, WWE had buried its women's division and released most of its actual wrestlers. They brought in various models to be characters on TV and there were very few active wrestlers left. Candice was one such model that put in the work to improve her wrestling. Critics and fans were heaping praise on her for it. Watching her matches back now makes her come across as rather average in the ring but back in 2007, fans were shocked that a Diva Search contestant could evolve into a competent wrestler. This became old hat one year on as the article points out - Wrestling/MichelleMcCool, Wrestling/{{Layla}}, Wrestling/KellyKelly, Wrestling/{{Maryse}} (and eventually Wrestling/EveTorres who came along a little later) had also progressed in the ring and were outperforming Candice greatly.
* The [[Wrestling/NewWorldOrder nWo]] Wolfpac were actually very popular, maybe even '''MORE''' popular than the original nWo. At least a quarter of the audience was covered in Wolfpac merch and signs and they were popular enough that during the Nash[=/=]Wrestling/{{Goldberg}} match, the commentators had to no-sell very audible "Goldberg sucks" chants from Wolfpac fans. The bookers hadn't even planned to make the Wolfpac face, it was the massive positive reactions they got that turned them face. In the retelling, however, they're usually considered to be stale and a ratings drain.
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