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24th Jul '16 6:22:22 PM thecarolinabull01
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* Wrestling/{{Sable}} gets put down for being a "fake wrestler" (she had it written into her contract that she couldn't take front bumps at all for fear of damaging her implants, and she didn't bump much at all) and not as tough as today's Divas. Well, you have to understand that when she made her debut in WWE in the mid-1990s, the women's division had almost completely disappeared and it was rare to see females doing ''anything'' in the ring. The most famous Diva pre-Attitude Era, Sunny, was a manager who hardly wrestled at all). Sable also was a pioneer in proving that female wrestlers could be both blonde sex symbols and physical powerhouses. Wrestling/{{Jacqueline}} was WWE's first choice for new champion too, but Sable was popular enough for them to change their minds.

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* Wrestling/{{Sable}} gets put down for being a "fake wrestler" FauxActionGirl (she had it written into her contract that she couldn't take front bumps at all for fear of damaging her implants, and she didn't bump much at all) and not as tough as today's Divas.Divas, as well as being, by all accounts, a NiceCharacterMeanActor who just used wrestling to get famous. Well, you have to understand that when she made her debut in WWE in the mid-1990s, the women's division had almost completely disappeared and it was rare to see females doing ''anything'' in the ring. The most famous Diva pre-Attitude Era, Sunny, was a manager who hardly wrestled at all). Sable also was a pioneer in proving that female wrestlers could be both blonde sex symbols and physical powerhouses. Wrestling/{{Jacqueline}} was WWE's first choice for new champion too, but Sable was popular enough for them to change their minds.
24th Jul '16 6:13:20 PM thecarolinabull01
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* Wrestling/RicFlair. For anyone born after about 1980, Flair was the ancient, balding goof who could barely wrestle and would just chest-chop, cheat and eye-poke his opponents the whole match before finally slapping on the figure-four leglock at the end. Unless they grew up on WCW and saw all his battles with Sting and the second incarnation of the Horsemen. Even in WWE, Flair managed to pull off classics every now and then. He fought Triple H in a brutal cage match at the 2005 Taboo Tuesday, and Wrestling/{{Edge}} in a TLC match for the World Title on Raw. Completely subverted during his retirement match against Shawn Michaels at [=WrestleMania=] 24 when Flair suddenly seemed to wind back the clock twenty years and busted out moves that he hadn't used in decades.

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* Wrestling/RicFlair. For anyone born after about 1980, Flair was the ancient, balding goof who could barely wrestle and would just chest-chop, cheat chest-chop and eye-poke his opponents the whole match before finally slapping on the figure-four leglock at the end.end (which he almost never actually won a match with). Unless they grew up on WCW and saw all his battles with Sting and the second incarnation of the Horsemen. Even in WWE, Flair managed to pull off classics every now and then. He fought Triple H in a brutal cage match at the 2005 Taboo Tuesday, and Wrestling/{{Edge}} in a TLC match for the World Title on Raw. Completely subverted during his retirement match against Shawn Michaels at [=WrestleMania=] 24 when Flair suddenly seemed to wind back the clock twenty years and busted out moves that he hadn't used in decades.
24th Jul '16 6:11:23 PM thecarolinabull01
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* Addressed in [[http://www.diva-dirt.com/2008/09/01/one-year-on-comparing-candice/ this article]] with regards to Wrestling/CandiceMichelle. Similar to Wrestling/TrishStratus, WWE had buried its women's division and released most of its actual wrestlers. They brought in various models to be characters on TV and there were very few active wrestlers left. Candice was one such model that put in the work to improve her wrestling. Critics and fans were heaping praise on her for it. Watching her matches back now makes her come across as rather average in the ring but back in 2007, fans were shocked that a Diva Search contestant could evolve into a competent wrestler. This became old hat one year on as the article points out - Wrestling/MichelleMcCool, Wrestling/{{Layla}}, Wrestling/KellyKelly, Wrestling/{{Maryse}} (and eventually Wrestling/EveTorres who came along a little later) had also progressed in the ring and were outperforming Candice greatly.

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* Addressed in [[http://www.diva-dirt.com/2008/09/01/one-year-on-comparing-candice/ this article]] with regards to Wrestling/CandiceMichelle. Similar to Wrestling/TrishStratus, WWE had buried its women's division and released most of its actual wrestlers. They brought in various models to be characters on TV and there were very few active wrestlers left. Candice was one such model that put in the work to improve her wrestling. Critics and fans were heaping praise on her for it. Watching her matches back now makes her come across as rather average in the ring but back in 2007, fans were shocked that a Diva Search contestant could evolve into a competent wrestler. This became old hat one year on as the article points out - Wrestling/MichelleMcCool, Wrestling/{{Layla}}, Wrestling/KellyKelly, Wrestling/{{Maryse}} (and eventually Wrestling/EveTorres who came along a little later) had also progressed in the ring and were outperforming Candice greatly.greatly.
* Wrestling/RicFlair. For anyone born after about 1980, Flair was the ancient, balding goof who could barely wrestle and would just chest-chop, cheat and eye-poke his opponents the whole match before finally slapping on the figure-four leglock at the end. Unless they grew up on WCW and saw all his battles with Sting and the second incarnation of the Horsemen. Even in WWE, Flair managed to pull off classics every now and then. He fought Triple H in a brutal cage match at the 2005 Taboo Tuesday, and Wrestling/{{Edge}} in a TLC match for the World Title on Raw. Completely subverted during his retirement match against Shawn Michaels at [=WrestleMania=] 24 when Flair suddenly seemed to wind back the clock twenty years and busted out moves that he hadn't used in decades.
17th Jul '16 10:33:43 PM thecarolinabull01
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* The [[Wrestling/NewWorldOrder nWo]] Wolfpac were actually very popular, maybe even '''MORE''' popular than the original nWo. At least a quarter of the audience was covered in Wolfpac merch and signs and they were popular enough that during the Nash[=/=]Wrestling/{{Goldberg}} match, the commentators had to no-sell very audible "Goldberg sucks" chants from Wolfpac fans. The bookers hadn't even planned to make the Wolfpac face, it was the massive positive reactions they got that turned them face. In the retelling, however, they're usually considered to be stale and a ratings drain (which didn't really happen until the FingerPokeOfDoom).

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* The [[Wrestling/NewWorldOrder nWo]] Wolfpac were actually very popular, maybe Wrestling/NewWorldOrder was a breath of fresh air in an industry that had previously been dominated with cheesy storylines and cartoonish supermen and kickstarted a second wrestling boom that was even '''MORE''' popular bigger than the original nWo. At least a quarter of previous one. As wrestling fans got older and peoples' tastes began to change, the audience nWo was covered in Wolfpac merch revolutionary because it felt very realistic and signs and they were popular enough edgy. So realistic that a few people called 911 during the Nash[=/=]Wrestling/{{Goldberg}} match, the commentators had to no-sell very audible "Goldberg sucks" chants from Wolfpac fans. The bookers hadn't even planned to make the Wolfpac face, one of their beat downs because they believed it was the massive positive reactions they got a real assault! However, every heel faction that turned them face. In has appeared in wrestling since has ripped off the retelling, however, they're usually considered nWo in some form or fashion so it can be difficult for modern wrestling fans to be stale see why the black and a ratings drain (which didn't really happen until white clad street thugs who trashed the FingerPokeOfDoom).environment, beat up their adversaries and spray painted their bodies became so popular.
24th Jun '16 8:04:41 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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* The [[Wrestling/NewWorldOrder nWo]] Wolfpac were actually very popular, maybe even '''MORE''' popular than the original nWo. At least a quarter of the audience was covered in Wolfpac merch and signs and they were popular enough that during the Nash[=/=]Wrestling/{{Goldberg}} match, the commentators had to no-sell very audible "Goldberg sucks" chants from Wolfpac fans. The bookers hadn't even planned to make the Wolfpac face, it was the massive positive reactions they got that turned them face. In the retelling, however, they're usually considered to be stale and a ratings drain (which didn't really happen until the FingerPokeOfDoom).



* German Stampede, wXw, Wrestling/AjaKong's ARSION, Wrestling/{{A|llJapanWomensProWrestling}}JW, [[Wrestling/ProWrestlingZero1 Zero 1]] and the like sending personal invitations to rookie indie wrestlers wrestling in front of crowds of two dozen in boondocks of the USA seems a little strange with the establishment of Wrestling/RingOfHonor, TNA, Wrestling/{{Chikara}} and so on but for a time, between WWF's general isolationism and the financial mismanagement of WCW and ECW, who eventually went under, that was among the only ways to get [[ForeignWrestlingHeel American talent]]. [[VindicatedByHistory In vindication]], Wrestling/SamoaJoe, Wrestling/CheerleaderMelissa, Wrestling/SaraDelRey, Wrestling/AmazingKong, Wrestling/LondonAndKendrick and many others would go on to be great but Wrestling/LowKi and Wrestling/BryanDanielson were still derided for "wrestling in gyms in front of 40 people" on WWE contest show NXT, where it was [[TakeThatAudience insisted]] they were only popular with [[CriticalResearchFailure internet nerds]] and would "sink and drown in the big leagues" even though they were light year ahead of everyone else on the show([[CriticalResearchFailure many of whom had also wrestled in]] "minor leagues" ''without'' becoming popular with the so called internet nerds)
* Addressed in [[http://www.diva-dirt.com/2008/09/01/one-year-on-comparing-candice/ this article]] with regards to Wrestling/CandiceMichelle. Similar to Wrestling/TrishStratus, WWE had buried its women's division and released most of its actual wrestlers. They brought in various models to be characters on TV and there were very few active wrestlers left. Candice was one such model that put in the work to improve her wrestling. Critics and fans were heaping praise on her for it. Watching her matches back now makes her come across as rather average in the ring but back in 2007, fans were shocked that a Diva Search contestant could evolve into a competent wrestler. This became old hat one year on as the article points out - Wrestling/MichelleMcCool, Wrestling/{{Layla}}, Wrestling/KellyKelly, Wrestling/{{Maryse}} (and eventually Wrestling/EveTorres who came along a little later) had also progressed in the ring and were outperforming Candice greatly.
* The [[Wrestling/NewWorldOrder nWo]] Wolfpac were actually very popular, maybe even '''MORE''' popular than the original nWo. At least a quarter of the audience was covered in Wolfpac merch and signs and they were popular enough that during the Nash[=/=]Wrestling/{{Goldberg}} match, the commentators had to no-sell very audible "Goldberg sucks" chants from Wolfpac fans. The bookers hadn't even planned to make the Wolfpac face, it was the massive positive reactions they got that turned them face. In the retelling, however, they're usually considered to be stale and a ratings drain.

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* German Stampede, wXw, Wrestling/AjaKong's ARSION, Wrestling/{{A|llJapanWomensProWrestling}}JW, [[Wrestling/ProWrestlingZero1 Zero 1]] and the like sending personal invitations to rookie indie wrestlers wrestling in front of crowds of two dozen in boondocks of the USA seems a little strange with the establishment of Wrestling/RingOfHonor, TNA, Wrestling/{{Chikara}} and so on but for a time, between the WWF's general isolationism and the financial mismanagement of WCW and ECW, who eventually went ECW causing them to go under, that was among the only ways to get [[ForeignWrestlingHeel American talent]]. [[VindicatedByHistory In vindication]], Wrestling/SamoaJoe, Wrestling/CheerleaderMelissa, Wrestling/SaraDelRey, Wrestling/AmazingKong, Wrestling/LondonAndKendrick and many others would go on to be great but Wrestling/LowKi and Wrestling/BryanDanielson were still derided for "wrestling in gyms in front of 40 people" on WWE contest show NXT, where it was [[TakeThatAudience insisted]] they were only popular with [[CriticalResearchFailure internet nerds]] and would "sink and drown in the big leagues" even though they were light year years ahead of everyone else on the show([[CriticalResearchFailure many of whom had also wrestled in]] "minor leagues" ''without'' becoming popular with the so called internet nerds)
* Another involving Low Ki and Samoa Joe that ROH itself admitted was their [[GimmickMatches fight without honor]]. While it is still a good match, fans were still used to seeing strict enforcement regarding the CodeOfHonor, so two wrestlers simply not shaking hands was always a big deal, and wrestlers not having to fear dismissal due to disqualification very intriguing. Latter fights happened during the times the code was no longer enforced or done away with entirely for ''every match'' and thus were much more violent.
* Addressed in [[http://www.diva-dirt.com/2008/09/01/one-year-on-comparing-candice/ this article]] with regards to Wrestling/CandiceMichelle. Similar to Wrestling/TrishStratus, WWE had buried its women's division and released most of its actual wrestlers. They brought in various models to be characters on TV and there were very few active wrestlers left. Candice was one such model that put in the work to improve her wrestling. Critics and fans were heaping praise on her for it. Watching her matches back now makes her come across as rather average in the ring but back in 2007, fans were shocked that a Diva Search contestant could evolve into a competent wrestler. This became old hat one year on as the article points out - Wrestling/MichelleMcCool, Wrestling/{{Layla}}, Wrestling/KellyKelly, Wrestling/{{Maryse}} (and eventually Wrestling/EveTorres who came along a little later) had also progressed in the ring and were outperforming Candice greatly.
* The [[Wrestling/NewWorldOrder nWo]] Wolfpac were actually very popular, maybe even '''MORE''' popular than the original nWo. At least a quarter of the audience was covered in Wolfpac merch and signs and they were popular enough that during the Nash[=/=]Wrestling/{{Goldberg}} match, the commentators had to no-sell very audible "Goldberg sucks" chants from Wolfpac fans. The bookers hadn't even planned to make the Wolfpac face, it was the massive positive reactions they got that turned them face. In the retelling, however, they're usually considered to be stale and a ratings drain.
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19th Apr '16 9:48:08 AM thecarolinabull01
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* The [[Wrestling/NewWorldOrder nWo]] Wolfpac were actually very popular, maybe even '''MORE''' popular than the original nWo. At least a quarter of the audience was covered in Wolfpac merch and signs and they were popular enough that during the Nash[=/=]Wrestling/{{Goldberg}} match, the commentators had to no-sell very audible "Goldberg sucks" chants from Wolfpac fans. The bookers hadn't even planned to make the Wolfpac face, it was the massive positive reactions they got that turned them face. In the retelling, however, they're usually made out to be stale and a ratings drain.

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* The [[Wrestling/NewWorldOrder nWo]] Wolfpac were actually very popular, maybe even '''MORE''' popular than the original nWo. At least a quarter of the audience was covered in Wolfpac merch and signs and they were popular enough that during the Nash[=/=]Wrestling/{{Goldberg}} match, the commentators had to no-sell very audible "Goldberg sucks" chants from Wolfpac fans. The bookers hadn't even planned to make the Wolfpac face, it was the massive positive reactions they got that turned them face. In the retelling, however, they're usually made out considered to be stale and a ratings drain.
19th Apr '16 9:47:44 AM thecarolinabull01
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* Addressed in [[http://www.diva-dirt.com/2008/09/01/one-year-on-comparing-candice/ this article]] with regards to Wrestling/CandiceMichelle. Similar to Wrestling/TrishStratus, WWE had buried its women's division and released most of its actual wrestlers. They brought in various models to be characters on TV and there were very few active wrestlers left. Candice was one such model that put in the work to improve her wrestling. Critics and fans were heaping praise on her for it. Watching her matches back now makes her come across as rather average in the ring but back in 2007, fans were shocked that a Diva Search contestant could evolve into a competent wrestler. This became old hat one year on as the article points out - Wrestling/MichelleMcCool, Wrestling/{{Layla}}, Wrestling/KellyKelly, Wrestling/{{Maryse}} (and eventually Wrestling/EveTorres who came along a little later) had also progressed in the ring and were outperforming Candice greatly.

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* Addressed in [[http://www.diva-dirt.com/2008/09/01/one-year-on-comparing-candice/ this article]] with regards to Wrestling/CandiceMichelle. Similar to Wrestling/TrishStratus, WWE had buried its women's division and released most of its actual wrestlers. They brought in various models to be characters on TV and there were very few active wrestlers left. Candice was one such model that put in the work to improve her wrestling. Critics and fans were heaping praise on her for it. Watching her matches back now makes her come across as rather average in the ring but back in 2007, fans were shocked that a Diva Search contestant could evolve into a competent wrestler. This became old hat one year on as the article points out - Wrestling/MichelleMcCool, Wrestling/{{Layla}}, Wrestling/KellyKelly, Wrestling/{{Maryse}} (and eventually Wrestling/EveTorres who came along a little later) had also progressed in the ring and were outperforming Candice greatly.greatly.
* The [[Wrestling/NewWorldOrder nWo]] Wolfpac were actually very popular, maybe even '''MORE''' popular than the original nWo. At least a quarter of the audience was covered in Wolfpac merch and signs and they were popular enough that during the Nash[=/=]Wrestling/{{Goldberg}} match, the commentators had to no-sell very audible "Goldberg sucks" chants from Wolfpac fans. The bookers hadn't even planned to make the Wolfpac face, it was the massive positive reactions they got that turned them face. In the retelling, however, they're usually made out to be stale and a ratings drain.
12th Feb '16 2:40:38 AM Gimere
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* Going back to at least 1937, the steel cage match was once promoted as being among the most dangerous matches one could participate in that could shorten a wrestler's career. It seems relatively tame compared to later variations done by Wrestling/DustyRhodes, the Memphis territories, Hell in a Cell, War Games, the Elimination Chamber, Wrestling/{{CZW}}'s Cage Of Death, ect.

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* Going back to at least 1937, the [[GimmickMatches steel cage match match]] was once promoted as being among the most dangerous matches one could participate in that could shorten a wrestler's career. It seems relatively tame compared to later variations done by Wrestling/DustyRhodes, the Memphis territories, Hell in a Cell, War Games, the Elimination Chamber, Wrestling/{{CZW}}'s Cage Of Death, ect.



* The 1992 Royal Rumble. While old school wrestling fans often consider it the best rumble for its ingenious and revolutionary booking of Wrestling/RicFlair, these days, someone is booked to survive for almost the entire duration of the match in pretty much every single Rumble, and the match suffers from a notable lack of spots that modern day wrestling fans would expect.

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* The 1992 Royal Rumble.''Wrestlimg/RoyalRumble''. While old school wrestling fans often consider it the best rumble for its ingenious and revolutionary booking of Wrestling/RicFlair, these days, someone is booked to survive for almost the entire duration of the match in pretty much every single Rumble, and the match suffers from a notable lack of spots that modern day wrestling fans would expect.



* Speaking of the Divas wrestling, the way the division was from late 2001 until mid 2004 was hugely groundbreaking. American women's wrestling had not been as competitive or hard-hitting since the 90s. For the first time in WWE in ages, women who could wrestle (and wrestle well) were being given competitive matches, storylines, characters and feuds. These days there are a whole slew of all-female promotions like ''Wrestling/{{SHIMMER}}'' and ''Wrestling/{{WSU}}'' that enable women wrestlers to shine so in an ironic way, these promotions that are now considered healthy alternatives to WWE's Divas actually owe their existence to the success of the division in the days of Wrestling/TrishStratus and Wrestling/{{Lita}}. So these days a lot of the matches pale in comparison to the ''SHIMMER'' women but yet these were also the matches that convinced American crowds that women could go just as hard as the men.

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* Speaking of the Divas wrestling, the way the division was from late 2001 until mid 2004 was hugely groundbreaking. American women's wrestling had not been as competitive or hard-hitting since the 90s. For the first time in WWE in ages, women who could wrestle (and wrestle well) were being given competitive matches, storylines, characters and feuds. These days there are a whole slew of all-female promotions like ''Wrestling/{{SHIMMER}}'' and ''Wrestling/{{WSU}}'' that enable women wrestlers to shine so in an ironic unironic way, these promotions that are now considered healthy alternatives to WWE's Divas actually owe their existence to the success of the division in the days of Wrestling/TrishStratus and Wrestling/{{Lita}}. So these days a lot of the matches pale in comparison to the ''SHIMMER'' women but yet these were also the matches that convinced American crowds that women could go just as hard as the men.
12th Dec '15 1:09:54 PM thecarolinabull01
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* Wrestling/TrishStratus was a huge success story during her career -- WWE had brought in Wrestling/{{Sable}} as a valet in 1996 and she had a brief run with the revived [[http://www.wrestling-titles.com/wwe/wwf-wm.html WWE Women's Title]] before her ego took over and she made herself PersonaNonGrata, but Trish herself was the first (in WWE at least) to develop onscreen from an eye candy valet with patchy mic skills to a charismatic star who is now regarded as one of the best female wrestlers in North America. These days at least 60% of the women's division in WWE (and some of TNA's roster too) is made up of former models brought in and trained to wrestle in the hopes of replicating Trish's success.

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* Wrestling/TrishStratus was a huge success story during her career -- WWE had brought in Wrestling/{{Sable}} as a valet in 1996 and she had a brief run with the revived [[http://www.wrestling-titles.com/wwe/wwf-wm.html WWE Women's Title]] before her ego took over and she made herself PersonaNonGrata, but Trish herself was the first (in WWE at least) to develop onscreen from an eye candy valet with patchy mic skills to a charismatic star who is now regarded as one of the best female wrestlers in North America. These days at least 60% of the women's division in WWE (and some of TNA's roster too) is made up of former models brought in and trained to wrestle in the hopes of replicating Trish's success.success, and nearly all of them have failed to even get a fraction of Trish's popularity.
9th Sep '15 9:52:22 AM thecarolinabull01
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* At the time of her debut in WWE, Wrestling/{{Lita}}'s style of wrestling was very innovative for American female wrestlers at the time as moves such as headscissors, hurricanranas, and moonsaults were barely used by women in WWE (there were plenty of high-flying women in Japan, though). These days (see the Trish example above) due to having to work extremely short matches all the time, the models brought in by WWE will often learn flashy moves like hurricanranas to make their matches appear more exciting and cover up their lack of wrestling ability. If the models are former gymnasts this can work fine and they eventually develop into competent wrestlers (Eve Torres, Kelly Kelly) or they can just come across as sloppy {{spot monkey}}s (*cough* Ashley Massaro). When watching a WWE divas match, if a girl is doing only flashy moves and throwing weak punches and clotheslines then she hasn't been wrestling that long. If there's proper groundwork and chain work in there, she's a lot more experienced.

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* At the time of her debut in WWE, Wrestling/{{Lita}}'s style of wrestling was very innovative for American female wrestlers at the time as moves such as headscissors, hurricanranas, and moonsaults were barely used by women in WWE (there were plenty of high-flying women in Japan, though). These days (see the Trish example above) due to having to work extremely short matches all the time, the models brought in by WWE will often learn flashy moves like hurricanranas to make their matches appear more exciting and cover up their lack of wrestling ability. If the models are former gymnasts this can work fine and they eventually develop into competent wrestlers (Eve Torres, Kelly Kelly) or they can just come across as sloppy {{spot monkey}}s (*cough* Ashley Massaro).Wrestling/AshleyMassaro). When watching a WWE divas match, if a girl is doing only flashy moves and throwing weak punches and clotheslines then she hasn't been wrestling that long. If there's proper groundwork and chain work in there, she's a lot more experienced.
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