History SeinfeldIsUnfunny / LiveActionTV

23rd Mar '18 5:29:17 PM JessyS
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* ''Series/ILoveLucy'' is perhaps the oldest surviving television sitcom. It was the first one recorded on film for posterity, which means that its three-camera setup, which was revolutionary at the time and was developed by producer and star Desi Arnaz, looks completely unremarkable to us today as it is the format used for virtually every sitcom ever since. The fact that it was filmed, instead of broadcast live, also allowed the invention of the ReRun; Dezi came up with the then-mindblowing idea of ''broadcasting a popular episode a second time'' to cover for the fact that Lucille Ball was recovering from the birth of their first child. Additionally, many of the situations used in the series have also become standard stories in every sitcom made since: character getting pregnant and people rushing like idiots to get her to the hospital when she is about to give birth, men and women changing jobs for a day, travel episodes... Back then, these ideas were brand new, but nowadays they look literally like the clichés that later shows made them into.

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* ''Series/ILoveLucy'' is perhaps the oldest surviving television sitcom. It was the first one recorded on film for posterity, which means that its three-camera setup, which was revolutionary at the time and was developed by producer and star Desi Arnaz, looks completely unremarkable to us today as it is the format used for virtually every sitcom ever since. The fact that it was filmed, instead of broadcast live, also allowed the invention of the ReRun; Dezi came up with the then-mindblowing idea of ''broadcasting a popular episode a second time'' to cover for the fact that Lucille Ball was recovering from the birth of their first second child. Additionally, many of the situations used in the series have also become standard stories in every sitcom made since: character getting pregnant and people rushing like idiots to get her to the hospital when she is about to give birth, men and women changing jobs for a day, travel episodes... Back then, these ideas were brand new, but nowadays they look literally like the clichés that later shows made them into.


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*** It can be argued that Richard Hatch was the original villain. In ''Borneo,'' Hatch was seen as a Gay guy with an ego. But he was more known for his scheming to the point he created his alliance to ensure that his group wouldn't be voted out. In addition, Rich was stark naked at times. and his celebration after winning a key individual immunity challenge? Tame by today's standards. Jerri simply copied some of Richard's schemes though accusing a fellow contestant of cheating by eating a candy bar was seen as a new low.
21st Mar '18 8:50:44 PM nombretomado
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* ''Series/{{Becker}}'' was about a cantankerous doctor... no, not that one... not that one, either. The character - and show - were eclipsed first by John C. [=McGinley=] as Perry Cox in ''Series/{{Scrubs}}'', then by Hugh Laurie as Gregory ''Series/{{House}}''. It's easy to forget that ''Becker'' had a respectable life span of six seasons and was one of the better sitcoms in a lean period after ''Seinfeld'' but before ''Series/ArrestedDevelopment'', either version of ''Series/TheOffice'', ''Series/ThirtyRock'' or ''Series/{{Community}}''.

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* ''Series/{{Becker}}'' was about a cantankerous doctor... no, not that one... not that one, either. The character - and show - were eclipsed first by John C. [=McGinley=] as Perry Cox in ''Series/{{Scrubs}}'', then by Hugh Laurie as Gregory ''Series/{{House}}''. It's easy to forget that ''Becker'' had a respectable life span of six seasons and was one of the better sitcoms in a lean period after ''Seinfeld'' but before ''Series/ArrestedDevelopment'', either version [[Series/TheOfficeUS either]] [[Series/TheOfficeUK version]] of ''Series/TheOffice'', ''The Office'', ''Series/ThirtyRock'' or ''Series/{{Community}}''.
17th Jan '18 3:11:46 AM Cryoclaste
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* ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'': WakeUpGoToSchoolSaveTheWorld (specifically the [[AcademyOfAdventure School of Adventure]] aspect), as well as the HalfArcSeason with its own personal BigBad, and not just a general MythArc with a singular Big Bad behind the entire series. ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'' hews closest to this structure, with the revamped ''Series/DoctorWho'' following close behind. The [[Film/BuffyTheVampireSlayer 1992 movie]] had already trodden that ground in establishing the origins of Buffy herself, but not so many people saw that flick at the time. TheReveal that shallow, popular Cordelia was [[ObfuscatingStupidity actually an ace student]] was a surprise joke at the time. Now it is a cliché to have the seemingly BookDumb ditzy, shallow girl in the cast be much brighter than she seems. Also the Buffy/Angel romance. Back then it was an unusual take on the whole BeastAndBeauty theme. Then we got ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'', ''Series/TrueBlood'', ''TheVampireDiaries''...

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* ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'': WakeUpGoToSchoolSaveTheWorld (specifically the [[AcademyOfAdventure School of Adventure]] aspect), as well as the HalfArcSeason with its own personal BigBad, and not just a general MythArc with a singular Big Bad behind the entire series. ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'' hews closest to this structure, with the revamped ''Series/DoctorWho'' following close behind. The [[Film/BuffyTheVampireSlayer 1992 movie]] had already trodden that ground in establishing the origins of Buffy herself, but not so many people saw that flick at the time. TheReveal that shallow, popular Cordelia was [[ObfuscatingStupidity actually an ace student]] was a surprise joke at the time. Now it is a cliché to have the seemingly BookDumb ditzy, shallow girl in the cast be much brighter than she seems. Also the Buffy/Angel romance. Back then it was an unusual take on the whole BeastAndBeauty theme. Then we got ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'', ''Series/TrueBlood'', ''TheVampireDiaries''...''Series/TheVampireDiaries''...
30th Dec '17 8:05:50 AM ading
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* Despite now being remembered mostly for its NarmCharm, ''Series/BeverlyHills90210'' actually dealt with some pretty heavy-handed issues for a teen show during the early-90's. While our neighbors in Canada were enjoying ''Series/DegrassiHigh''[='=]s honest depictions of teenage angst, we in The States were (at least on television) limited mostly to light and goofy depictions of high school life like ''Series/SavedByTheBell''. ''90210'', when it premiered, was actually very controversial for the way it sympathetically depicted serious issues like sex and cocaine addiction, as before then, characters who engaged in such activity on teen television were generally either demonized or made to quit after one episode. Today, given how much high school dramas have evolved ever since, the show is remembered mostly for its hideously dated fashions, blatantly obvious DawsonCasting, and heavy amounts of melodrama.

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* Despite now being remembered mostly for its NarmCharm, ''Series/BeverlyHills90210'' actually dealt with some pretty heavy-handed heavy issues for a teen show during the early-90's. While our neighbors in Canada Canadians were enjoying ''Series/DegrassiHigh''[='=]s honest depictions of teenage angst, we in The States Americans were (at least on television) limited mostly to light and goofy depictions of high school life like ''Series/SavedByTheBell''. ''90210'', when it premiered, was actually very controversial for the way it sympathetically depicted serious issues like sex and cocaine addiction, as before then, characters who engaged in such activity on teen television were generally either demonized or made to quit after one episode. Today, given how much high school dramas have evolved ever since, the show is remembered mostly for its hideously dated fashions, blatantly obvious DawsonCasting, and heavy amounts of melodrama.
8th Dec '17 9:55:52 PM MagnusForce
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* The ''Franchise/UltraSeries'' suffers really badly from this, [[AmericansHateTingle especially in the West]]. To them, it looks [[{{Narm}} goofy]] and [[ClicheStorm stereotypical]], but it established so many reoccurring elements in Japanese television, started the '70s [[HenshinHero Henshin Boom]], and successfully brought {{Kaiju}} to the small screen, such that its impact can be difficult to appreciate. [[Series/{{Ultraman}} This]] [[Series/{{Ultraseven}} particularly]] [[Series/ReturnOfUltraman applies]] [[Series/UltramanAce to]] [[Series/UltramanTaro the]] [[Series/UltramanLeo Showa]] [[Series/UltramanEighty entries]], as they were very low-budget. Not helping is that in an age of high-quality CGI in Western monster movies, the still-used rubber suits and miniature sets look ridiculous to them[[note]] this seems to apply to Japanese {{Kaiju}} in general as many of the same issues apply to Godzilla, Gamera, and the like as well[[/note]]. Fortunately, in Japan, it still remains [[CashCowFranchise insanely popular]], so it's not going to become DeaderThanDisco anytime soon.

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* The ''Franchise/UltraSeries'' suffers really badly from this, [[AmericansHateTingle especially in the West]]. To them, many, it looks [[{{Narm}} goofy]] and [[ClicheStorm stereotypical]], but it established so many reoccurring elements in Japanese television, started influenced the '70s [[HenshinHero Henshin Boom]], and successfully brought {{Kaiju}} to the small screen, such that its impact can be difficult to appreciate. [[Series/{{Ultraman}} This]] [[Series/{{Ultraseven}} particularly]] [[Series/ReturnOfUltraman applies]] [[Series/UltramanAce to]] [[Series/UltramanTaro the]] [[Series/UltramanLeo Showa]] [[Series/UltramanEighty entries]], as they were very low-budget. Not helping is that in an age of high-quality CGI in Western monster movies, CGI, the still-used rubber suits and miniature sets look ridiculous to them[[note]] this seems to apply to Japanese {{Kaiju}} in general as many of the same issues apply to Godzilla, Gamera, and the like as well[[/note]].many. Fortunately, in Japan, it still remains [[CashCowFranchise insanely popular]], so it's not going to become DeaderThanDisco anytime soon.
30th Nov '17 5:37:05 AM CrypticMirror
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** Then you realize that ''Series/{{Quincy}}'' [[OlderThanTheyThink was doing that long before]] ''CSI'' came out, predating both that and ''Series/{{Bones}}'' by decades, just without all the gratuitous gore tossed in.

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** Then you realize that ''Series/{{Quincy}}'' ''Series/QuincyME'' [[OlderThanTheyThink was doing that long before]] ''CSI'' came out, predating both that and ''Series/{{Bones}}'' by decades, just without all the gratuitous gore tossed in.
1st Nov '17 4:02:48 PM RoarkTenjouin
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* ''Franchise/KamenRider''. There's a similar argument for this franchise as well, or maybe a subversion. The Showa era formula (cyborg/scientifically augmented human battles the terrorist organization that altered him) has been done to death and is now avoided in the Heisei era shows, to the point that either part of the phrase "Masked Rider" sometimes doesn't apply to a specific series (though some of that is mroe resulting from the factor of Bandai needing to Shout "BUY OUR TOYS"). Which makes the Showa Riders revival manga ''Manga/KamenRiderSpirits'' so appealing: it takes the phrase "Kicking it old school" and ''runs with it''. Recent series have more palyed with Elements of Showa kamen Rider, with ''W'', ''Fourze'' and ''Drive'' In example being built from the ground up as modernizations of Shotaro Ishinomori's Motif's and ideals.
** Within the franchise itself : ''Ryuki''. it's Battle Royale "riders fighting each-other" Plot has been done in most series that followed it, and the fandom as a whole are sick of it as the Grand majority of them have been *AWFUL*. The irony in this case is most of the series to Follow Ryuki '"Actually did it better than Ryuki did'', mostly because Ryuki from Concept to execution was made in open contempt for the shows before it while the ones After Ryuki actually tried more to Respect the Franchises' Legacy and Core Ideology. Thus, For many, Ryuki's obsolete; especially in the face of the ''Super Hero Taisen'' movies where their watch-word seems to be "Make every character that was supposed to be a Paragon of heroism into a twisted reflection of their own Villains," which has only decreased many fan's enjoyment of that entry to all-new lows.

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* ''Franchise/KamenRider''. There's a similar argument for this franchise as well, or maybe a subversion. The Showa era formula (cyborg/scientifically augmented human battles the terrorist organization that altered him) has been done to death and is now avoided in the Heisei era shows, to the point that either part of the phrase "Masked Rider" sometimes doesn't apply to a specific series (though some of that is mroe more resulting from the factor of Bandai needing to Shout "BUY OUR TOYS"). Which makes the Showa Riders revival manga ''Manga/KamenRiderSpirits'' so appealing: it takes the phrase "Kicking it old school" and ''runs with it''. Recent series have more palyed played with Elements of Showa kamen Showa-era Kamen Rider, with ''W'', ''Fourze'' and ''Drive'' In example being built from the ground up as modernizations of Shotaro Ishinomori's Motif's and ideals.
** Within the franchise itself : ''Ryuki''. it's Battle Royale "riders fighting each-other" Plot has been done in most series that followed it, and the fandom as a whole are sick of it as the Grand majority of them have been *AWFUL*. The irony in this case is most of the series to Follow follow Ryuki '"Actually actually did it better ''better'' than Ryuki did'', ''Ryuki'' did, mostly because Ryuki Ryuki, from Concept concept to execution execution, was made in open contempt for the shows before it it, while the ones After Ryuki after ''Ryuki'' actually tried more to Respect respect the Franchises' Legacy franchise's legacy and Core Ideology. core ideology. Thus, For for many, Ryuki's ''Ryuki'' is obsolete; especially in the face of the ''Super Hero Taisen'' movies where their watch-word seems to be "Make every character that was supposed to be a Paragon of heroism into a twisted reflection of their own Villains," Villains", which has only decreased many fan's enjoyment of that entry to all-new lows.


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** Within the franchise, ''Series/HimitsuSentaiGoranger'' is this trope - there's no giant robots, the suits aren't made of spandex, the lack of a SixthRanger, and the lack of sparks from when a ranger gets hit by an enemy attack. Admittedly, most of these changes were introduced ''after'' ''Goranger'', and in the case of the special effects, it's more because at the time, ''Goranger'' couldn't do due to said effects not being within ''Goranger'''s budget, but overall, time has not been kind to this show.
26th Oct '17 12:03:07 PM slvstrChung
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* ''Series/ILoveLucy'' is perhaps the oldest surviving television sitcom. It was the first one recorded on film for posterity, which means that its three-camera setup, which was revolutionary at the time and was developed by producer and star Desi Arnaz, looks completely unremarkable to us today as it is the format used for virtually every sitcom ever since. Many of the situations used in the series have also become standard stories in every sitcom made since: character getting pregnant and people rushing like idiots to get her to the hospital when she is about to give birth, men and women changing jobs for a day, travel episodes... Back then, these ideas were brand new, but nowadays they look literally like the clichés that later shows made them into.

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* ''Series/ILoveLucy'' is perhaps the oldest surviving television sitcom. It was the first one recorded on film for posterity, which means that its three-camera setup, which was revolutionary at the time and was developed by producer and star Desi Arnaz, looks completely unremarkable to us today as it is the format used for virtually every sitcom ever since. Many The fact that it was filmed, instead of broadcast live, also allowed the invention of the ReRun; Dezi came up with the then-mindblowing idea of ''broadcasting a popular episode a second time'' to cover for the fact that Lucille Ball was recovering from the birth of their first child. Additionally, many of the situations used in the series have also become standard stories in every sitcom made since: character getting pregnant and people rushing like idiots to get her to the hospital when she is about to give birth, men and women changing jobs for a day, travel episodes... Back then, these ideas were brand new, but nowadays they look literally like the clichés that later shows made them into.
29th Sep '17 9:14:25 AM dante8
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* Ellen DeGeneres came out as a lesbian, one of the first American celebrities to do so, and later that year her character Ellen Morgan came out as a lesbian on the TV show "Ellen", making Ellen DeGeneres the first openly lesbian actress to play an openly lesbian character on television. This was a HUGE controversy which would not be a controversy at all today.
16th Sep '17 5:56:48 PM nombretomado
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* ''Series/MarriedWithChildren'': In a world with ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'', ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'', and ''Series/ItsAlwaysSunnyInPhiladelphia'', it's pretty hard to imagine a time where this was on the cutting edge of irreverent, politically incorrect comedies (and FOX's first successful sitcom). And it didn't help that ''Series/TheSimpsons'' (also a victim of the SeinfeldIsUnfunny trope) immediately stole ''Series/MarriedWithChildren''[='=]s title as "''the'' politically incorrect FOX DomCom about a dysfunctional family living in a CrapsackWorld [[WorldGoneMad Gone Mad]] filled with biting social satire and subversions on sitcom conventions and tropes." Part of the problem was that, even in its day, ''Married With Children'' was something of a RuleAbidingRebel, happily sprinkling in plenty of Middle American cornball humor (it ''was'' set in Chicago, after all) with the edgier stuff. No matter how rude or sexually explicit your show is, if you throw in talking dogs and slapstick gags that are literally out of cartoons, it's going to be hard to truly take you seriously.

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* ''Series/MarriedWithChildren'': In a world with ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'', ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'', and ''Series/ItsAlwaysSunnyInPhiladelphia'', it's pretty hard to imagine a time where this was on the cutting edge of irreverent, politically incorrect comedies (and FOX's first successful sitcom). And it didn't help that ''Series/TheSimpsons'' ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' (also a victim of the SeinfeldIsUnfunny trope) immediately stole ''Series/MarriedWithChildren''[='=]s title as "''the'' politically incorrect FOX DomCom about a dysfunctional family living in a CrapsackWorld [[WorldGoneMad Gone Mad]] filled with biting social satire and subversions on sitcom conventions and tropes." Part of the problem was that, even in its day, ''Married With Children'' was something of a RuleAbidingRebel, happily sprinkling in plenty of Middle American cornball humor (it ''was'' set in Chicago, after all) with the edgier stuff. No matter how rude or sexually explicit your show is, if you throw in talking dogs and slapstick gags that are literally out of cartoons, it's going to be hard to truly take you seriously.
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