History SeinfeldIsUnfunny / LiveActionTV

8th Dec '17 9:55:52 PM MagnusForce
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* The ''Franchise/UltraSeries'' suffers really badly from this, [[AmericansHateTingle especially in the West]]. To them, it looks [[{{Narm}} goofy]] and [[ClicheStorm stereotypical]], but it established so many reoccurring elements in Japanese television, started the '70s [[HenshinHero Henshin Boom]], and successfully brought {{Kaiju}} to the small screen, such that its impact can be difficult to appreciate. [[Series/{{Ultraman}} This]] [[Series/{{Ultraseven}} particularly]] [[Series/ReturnOfUltraman applies]] [[Series/UltramanAce to]] [[Series/UltramanTaro the]] [[Series/UltramanLeo Showa]] [[Series/UltramanEighty entries]], as they were very low-budget. Not helping is that in an age of high-quality CGI in Western monster movies, the still-used rubber suits and miniature sets look ridiculous to them[[note]] this seems to apply to Japanese {{Kaiju}} in general as many of the same issues apply to Godzilla, Gamera, and the like as well[[/note]]. Fortunately, in Japan, it still remains [[CashCowFranchise insanely popular]], so it's not going to become DeaderThanDisco anytime soon.

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* The ''Franchise/UltraSeries'' suffers really badly from this, [[AmericansHateTingle especially in the West]]. To them, many, it looks [[{{Narm}} goofy]] and [[ClicheStorm stereotypical]], but it established so many reoccurring elements in Japanese television, started influenced the '70s [[HenshinHero Henshin Boom]], and successfully brought {{Kaiju}} to the small screen, such that its impact can be difficult to appreciate. [[Series/{{Ultraman}} This]] [[Series/{{Ultraseven}} particularly]] [[Series/ReturnOfUltraman applies]] [[Series/UltramanAce to]] [[Series/UltramanTaro the]] [[Series/UltramanLeo Showa]] [[Series/UltramanEighty entries]], as they were very low-budget. Not helping is that in an age of high-quality CGI in Western monster movies, CGI, the still-used rubber suits and miniature sets look ridiculous to them[[note]] this seems to apply to Japanese {{Kaiju}} in general as many of the same issues apply to Godzilla, Gamera, and the like as well[[/note]].many. Fortunately, in Japan, it still remains [[CashCowFranchise insanely popular]], so it's not going to become DeaderThanDisco anytime soon.
30th Nov '17 5:37:05 AM CrypticMirror
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** Then you realize that ''Series/{{Quincy}}'' [[OlderThanTheyThink was doing that long before]] ''CSI'' came out, predating both that and ''Series/{{Bones}}'' by decades, just without all the gratuitous gore tossed in.

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** Then you realize that ''Series/{{Quincy}}'' ''Series/QuincyME'' [[OlderThanTheyThink was doing that long before]] ''CSI'' came out, predating both that and ''Series/{{Bones}}'' by decades, just without all the gratuitous gore tossed in.
1st Nov '17 4:02:48 PM RoarkTenjouin
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* ''Franchise/KamenRider''. There's a similar argument for this franchise as well, or maybe a subversion. The Showa era formula (cyborg/scientifically augmented human battles the terrorist organization that altered him) has been done to death and is now avoided in the Heisei era shows, to the point that either part of the phrase "Masked Rider" sometimes doesn't apply to a specific series (though some of that is mroe resulting from the factor of Bandai needing to Shout "BUY OUR TOYS"). Which makes the Showa Riders revival manga ''Manga/KamenRiderSpirits'' so appealing: it takes the phrase "Kicking it old school" and ''runs with it''. Recent series have more palyed with Elements of Showa kamen Rider, with ''W'', ''Fourze'' and ''Drive'' In example being built from the ground up as modernizations of Shotaro Ishinomori's Motif's and ideals.
** Within the franchise itself : ''Ryuki''. it's Battle Royale "riders fighting each-other" Plot has been done in most series that followed it, and the fandom as a whole are sick of it as the Grand majority of them have been *AWFUL*. The irony in this case is most of the series to Follow Ryuki '"Actually did it better than Ryuki did'', mostly because Ryuki from Concept to execution was made in open contempt for the shows before it while the ones After Ryuki actually tried more to Respect the Franchises' Legacy and Core Ideology. Thus, For many, Ryuki's obsolete; especially in the face of the ''Super Hero Taisen'' movies where their watch-word seems to be "Make every character that was supposed to be a Paragon of heroism into a twisted reflection of their own Villains," which has only decreased many fan's enjoyment of that entry to all-new lows.

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* ''Franchise/KamenRider''. There's a similar argument for this franchise as well, or maybe a subversion. The Showa era formula (cyborg/scientifically augmented human battles the terrorist organization that altered him) has been done to death and is now avoided in the Heisei era shows, to the point that either part of the phrase "Masked Rider" sometimes doesn't apply to a specific series (though some of that is mroe more resulting from the factor of Bandai needing to Shout "BUY OUR TOYS"). Which makes the Showa Riders revival manga ''Manga/KamenRiderSpirits'' so appealing: it takes the phrase "Kicking it old school" and ''runs with it''. Recent series have more palyed played with Elements of Showa kamen Showa-era Kamen Rider, with ''W'', ''Fourze'' and ''Drive'' In example being built from the ground up as modernizations of Shotaro Ishinomori's Motif's and ideals.
** Within the franchise itself : ''Ryuki''. it's Battle Royale "riders fighting each-other" Plot has been done in most series that followed it, and the fandom as a whole are sick of it as the Grand majority of them have been *AWFUL*. The irony in this case is most of the series to Follow follow Ryuki '"Actually actually did it better ''better'' than Ryuki did'', ''Ryuki'' did, mostly because Ryuki Ryuki, from Concept concept to execution execution, was made in open contempt for the shows before it it, while the ones After Ryuki after ''Ryuki'' actually tried more to Respect respect the Franchises' Legacy franchise's legacy and Core Ideology. core ideology. Thus, For for many, Ryuki's ''Ryuki'' is obsolete; especially in the face of the ''Super Hero Taisen'' movies where their watch-word seems to be "Make every character that was supposed to be a Paragon of heroism into a twisted reflection of their own Villains," Villains", which has only decreased many fan's enjoyment of that entry to all-new lows.


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** Within the franchise, ''Series/HimitsuSentaiGoranger'' is this trope - there's no giant robots, the suits aren't made of spandex, the lack of a SixthRanger, and the lack of sparks from when a ranger gets hit by an enemy attack. Admittedly, most of these changes were introduced ''after'' ''Goranger'', and in the case of the special effects, it's more because at the time, ''Goranger'' couldn't do due to said effects not being within ''Goranger'''s budget, but overall, time has not been kind to this show.
26th Oct '17 12:03:07 PM slvstrChung
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* ''Series/ILoveLucy'' is perhaps the oldest surviving television sitcom. It was the first one recorded on film for posterity, which means that its three-camera setup, which was revolutionary at the time and was developed by producer and star Desi Arnaz, looks completely unremarkable to us today as it is the format used for virtually every sitcom ever since. Many of the situations used in the series have also become standard stories in every sitcom made since: character getting pregnant and people rushing like idiots to get her to the hospital when she is about to give birth, men and women changing jobs for a day, travel episodes... Back then, these ideas were brand new, but nowadays they look literally like the clichés that later shows made them into.

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* ''Series/ILoveLucy'' is perhaps the oldest surviving television sitcom. It was the first one recorded on film for posterity, which means that its three-camera setup, which was revolutionary at the time and was developed by producer and star Desi Arnaz, looks completely unremarkable to us today as it is the format used for virtually every sitcom ever since. Many The fact that it was filmed, instead of broadcast live, also allowed the invention of the ReRun; Dezi came up with the then-mindblowing idea of ''broadcasting a popular episode a second time'' to cover for the fact that Lucille Ball was recovering from the birth of their first child. Additionally, many of the situations used in the series have also become standard stories in every sitcom made since: character getting pregnant and people rushing like idiots to get her to the hospital when she is about to give birth, men and women changing jobs for a day, travel episodes... Back then, these ideas were brand new, but nowadays they look literally like the clichés that later shows made them into.
29th Sep '17 9:14:25 AM dante8
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* Ellen DeGeneres came out as a lesbian, one of the first American celebrities to do so, and later that year her character Ellen Morgan came out as a lesbian on the TV show "Ellen", making Ellen DeGeneres the first openly lesbian actress to play an openly lesbian character on television. This was a HUGE controversy which would not be a controversy at all today.
16th Sep '17 5:56:48 PM nombretomado
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* ''Series/MarriedWithChildren'': In a world with ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'', ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'', and ''Series/ItsAlwaysSunnyInPhiladelphia'', it's pretty hard to imagine a time where this was on the cutting edge of irreverent, politically incorrect comedies (and FOX's first successful sitcom). And it didn't help that ''Series/TheSimpsons'' (also a victim of the SeinfeldIsUnfunny trope) immediately stole ''Series/MarriedWithChildren''[='=]s title as "''the'' politically incorrect FOX DomCom about a dysfunctional family living in a CrapsackWorld [[WorldGoneMad Gone Mad]] filled with biting social satire and subversions on sitcom conventions and tropes." Part of the problem was that, even in its day, ''Married With Children'' was something of a RuleAbidingRebel, happily sprinkling in plenty of Middle American cornball humor (it ''was'' set in Chicago, after all) with the edgier stuff. No matter how rude or sexually explicit your show is, if you throw in talking dogs and slapstick gags that are literally out of cartoons, it's going to be hard to truly take you seriously.

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* ''Series/MarriedWithChildren'': In a world with ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'', ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'', and ''Series/ItsAlwaysSunnyInPhiladelphia'', it's pretty hard to imagine a time where this was on the cutting edge of irreverent, politically incorrect comedies (and FOX's first successful sitcom). And it didn't help that ''Series/TheSimpsons'' ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' (also a victim of the SeinfeldIsUnfunny trope) immediately stole ''Series/MarriedWithChildren''[='=]s title as "''the'' politically incorrect FOX DomCom about a dysfunctional family living in a CrapsackWorld [[WorldGoneMad Gone Mad]] filled with biting social satire and subversions on sitcom conventions and tropes." Part of the problem was that, even in its day, ''Married With Children'' was something of a RuleAbidingRebel, happily sprinkling in plenty of Middle American cornball humor (it ''was'' set in Chicago, after all) with the edgier stuff. No matter how rude or sexually explicit your show is, if you throw in talking dogs and slapstick gags that are literally out of cartoons, it's going to be hard to truly take you seriously.
16th Sep '17 2:00:18 PM crazysamaritan
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* "This program is [[ClosedCaptioning closed captioned]] for the hearing impaired." Since it's basically the law outside of a few excluded programs, most networks don't bother with a logo denoting a show was captioned any longer, and only the Turner networks still use the National Captioning Institute's [[http://www.jenriggio.com/MULTIMEDIA_ASL/closedcaptioning.htm "screen and speech balloon" logo]], which was nearly ubiquitous in the 80s and 90s.

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* "This program is [[ClosedCaptioning [[UsefulNotes/ClosedCaptioning closed captioned]] for the hearing impaired." Since it's basically the law outside of a few excluded it is legally required for many programs, most networks in America don't bother with a logo denoting a show was captioned any longer, and only the Turner networks still use the National Captioning Institute's [[http://www.jenriggio.com/MULTIMEDIA_ASL/closedcaptioning.htm "screen and speech balloon" logo]], which was nearly ubiquitous in the 80s and 90s.
13th Sep '17 6:05:33 AM LarsT.
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** TheCoroner being a major character is now also a major It's been done that people won't realize how revolutionary (and downright wacky and illogical if you look at it) the team Thiel/Börne of the Münster Tatort was when it was introduced. They had to jump through some hoops to make it at least somewhat plausible. Börne and Thiel share a flat and the murders [[ContrivedCoincidence just so happen]] to involve quite a bit of forensics on a regular base (and if they don't Börne's high society skills come in handy). The writers ''still'' felt the need to give Thiel a regular cop sidekick initially, who has since been written out. Nowadays, there is even a series about the guy who cleans a murder site after the crimes.

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** TheCoroner being a major character is now also a major It's been done that people won't realize how revolutionary (and downright wacky and illogical if you look at it) the team Thiel/Börne of the Münster Tatort was when it was introduced. They had to jump through some hoops to make it at least somewhat plausible. Börne and Thiel share have flats next to each other in a flat house Börne owns (IOW he is Thiel's landlord) and the murders [[ContrivedCoincidence just so happen]] to involve quite a bit of forensics on a regular base (and if they don't Börne's high society skills come in handy). The writers ''still'' felt the need to give Thiel a regular cop sidekick initially, who has since been written out. Nowadays, there is even a series about the guy who cleans a murder site after the crimes.
21st Jul '17 12:31:57 PM gizmoman49
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* ''Series/RuPaulsDragRace'' managed to do this to itself. The early seasons were notable simply for the fact that drag queens were being shown in a realistic light rather than just being shown as stereotypes. As the series went on, the quality of drag fashion has increased considerably, to the point where many of the looks on the earlier seasons look dated by comparison. For example, Tyra Sanchez won Season 2 wearing what was effectively a one-pice bathing suit with a cape around the waist, something queens get absolutely roasted for if they try to pull off today.
** Case in point: Raja. Her runway look during season 3 were revolutionary, and she was really the first queen to show that drag could be fashion-forward and creative. Nowadays there have been so many high-fashion queens on the show that Raja's looks aren't nearly as groundbreaking as they used to be.
17th Jul '17 12:44:37 PM jm9101983
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* "In stereo where available" was used quite often in the 80s and early 90s when television sets were being produced with stereo speakers and it was considered groundbreaking at the time since more dynamic sound added to the immersion of the program or movie people were watching. "In surround sound" was also used when home theater sound systems took off. Nowadays, nobody bothers making announcements that their programs have stereo or surround sound since such features are a standard in televisions now.

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* "In stereo where available" Stereo Where Available" was used quite often in from the 80s and early 90s mid 1980s to the mid 1990s when television sets were being produced with stereo speakers and it was considered groundbreaking at the time since more dynamic sound added to the immersion of the program or movie people were watching. "In surround sound" Surround Sound" was also used when home theater sound systems took off. Nowadays, nobody bothers making announcements that their programs have stereo or surround sound since such features are a standard in televisions now.
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