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25th Mar '17 4:55:12 AM NightShade96
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* ''SeasonalRot/{{Supernatural}}''
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* ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'':
** Season 3: It was mostly well-liked, though the audience was always {{Anvilicious}}ly reminded that Dean only had one year to live. It was also weakened by the Writer’s Strike, which cut it down from 22 episodes to 16, thus making the storylines of the last four episodes rushed and abandoning great ideas such as the return of Ellen Harvelle (which got pushed back to Season 5). The amount of rock music was greatly reduced and so were the special effects. In addition, ExecutiveMeddling let to Ruby and Bela, two characters who have been controversial. There were some good ideas there, but over-focusing on the two over the brothers led to fan derision, and contributed to [[spoiler:Bela being killed off]].
** Seasons 4 & 5: With their considerable retooling of the MythArc, heavy use of Christian mythology, and larger cast, they were looked upon more favorably by newer fans, and generally less so by older ones. Genevieve Cortese, however, is oft-reviled in her portrayal of Ruby, and fans really missed Katie Cassidy (fans that weren't nearly so loud when she was actually onscreen the previous season). Ultimately, the changes turned out in favor of the newer fans, as Season 4 boosted the show’s sagging ratings enough to ensure there would be a Season 5. In fact, because of the loss of the original showrunners and also the high stakes of the Season 5 finale (which definitely felt like a series finale), as well as what is well-regarded as a downward spiral in the show quality ever since, many feel that Season 5 should have been the last season of the show.
** Season 6: The return-to-form approach pleased some older fans with its drastically pared-down cast and concentration on the Winchester brothers’ newest trust issues, but [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks turned off newer fans]]. The realization that [[spoiler:Sam had lost his soul and the brothers’ attempts to get it back]] [[WhatCouldHaveBeen was planned to be the main arc of the season]], but fan backlash prompted the writers to conclude it halfway through and introduce new storylines ([[spoiler:Castiel]] becoming a villain, for example, was only thought of at the last minute as a replacement). The results were still mixed, among them being [[spoiler:Eve’s]] introduction as a new, somewhat derivative BigBad after more than half the season was already over.
** Season 7: While Season 6 had its flaws, and definitely suffered from the loss of the original showrunners, this was where the show really started to show its age badly for some. For one thing, the Sam/Dean drama had became way overplayed by that point. [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot The abrupt dropping of the very-promising-sounding Cosmic New Order at the beginning of the season (Castiel was going to be the new God, while Crowley was already the king of Hell)]] was also disappointing. The fans were pumped and excited, and one wonders what the writers were thinking when they threw it out, as Castiel and Crowley both vanished from the plot for some time. And who took their place? The Leviathans, who were a complete AssPull, and remained extremely vague in their abilities for several episodes. The writers themselves apparently couldn’t figure out what to do with them, so they had them disappear for long stretches of time while still trying to make them out to be this huge threat… except their goals were completely undefined. Eventually, they had an episode where their leader becomes a [[StrawCharacter Strawman Political]] CorruptCorporateExecutive so they could do a TakeThat on conservatives and libertarians, which only served to offend some of the fanbase. Then the Leviathans disappeared again for an even longer stretch of episodes. They weren’t doing very much onscreen, but Sam and Dean’s dialogue constantly exhorted the audience to remember that VaguenessIsComing. The slow development of the Leviathan storyline resulted in a lot of filler episodes to boot. The fandom was also deprived of [[spoiler:Bobby and the Impala]] for most of the season, resulting in further dissatisfaction. On the plus side, the Leviathans became more well-defined towards the end of the season. We also got the introduction of PluckyComicRelief characters Garth and Charlie, [[spoiler:Castiel returned and developed further as a character, while Bobby got an impressive ghost-arc which tied up his character quite nicely]].
** Season 8: Once again, the previous season’s cliffhanger -- this time [[spoiler:Dick Roman dragging Dean and Castiel to Purgatory with him]] -- was resolved in the first episode of the season thanks to a TimeSkip because [[StatusQuoIsGod Sam and Dean can’t be apart, ever]]. Dean and Castiel’s time in Purgatory was shown through flashbacks, but they were few and far between. Sam’s new love interest, Amelia, and perfect-life-while-Dean-was-gone subplots are near universally reviled. His IJustWantToBeNormal speeches, along with his hatred of Dean's new vampire friend, Benny, brought the {{Wangst}} to a new high. Crowley returned and appeared to be the BigBad, though much mileage has varied as to whether or not he was any good at it. Perhaps realizing their mistakes, the writers tried to {{retool}} the season around halfway through, much like what they did with Season 6. Amelia was [[ShooOutTheNewGuy written out]], the Men of Letters were introduced, and Sam was given a new story arc about him performing trials to close the Gates of Hell. Most Sam fans were happy, but Dean fans were frustrated about him repeatedly being pushed OutOfFocus as his Benny and Purgatory plots were dropped. Regardless, the second half of the season was definitely better-received than the first.
** Season 9: Both Sam and Dean took respective [[TookALevelInJerkass levels in Jerkass]], leaving Castiel as the only real sympathetic character on the show. Most of the show’s remaining supporting cast were either KilledOffForReal or PutOnABus. The MythArc bounced around without any clear direction for most of the year. Characters like Batholomew and Malachi were introduced and set up as major players in the angel war, only to be dropped shortly afterward [[spoiler:(with Malachi infamously being ''killed offscreen'' after only a single appearance)]]. Actor Jensen Ackles admitted in an interview that the writers were just throwing out ideas and seeing which ones stuck. Eventually, they settled on the Mark of Cain story, one of the more popular things to come out of Season 9… and then proceeded to do almost nothing with it until the final three episodes of the season. Not helping matters was the fact that the whole season was undercut by several lengthy stretches of heavily-disliked filler episodes, many of which have been called by fans to be some of the worst in the show's history [[note]]such as "The Purge" and "Alex Annie Alexis Ann"[[/note]]. There was also "Bloodlines", an ill-received [[PoorlyDisguisedPilot back-door pilot]] for a spin-off that failed to come to fruition. Amongst it all, there’s the constant fighting between Sam and Dean, something which fans of both characters are getting sick of.
** Season 10: Once again, the show had a potentially amazing storyline set up at the end of last season -- this time, Dean being turned into a demon by the Mark of Cain, and once again, that potential was completely wasted as the story was thrown out the window three episodes into the season because StatusQuoIsGod (noticing a pattern here?). The writers themselves seem to have realized how badly they dropped the ball there, as they spend the rest of the season awkwardly teasing that it could happen again, but because they failed to establish Demon Dean as [[PokeThePoodle particularly dangerous]] or [[AntiClimax hard to deal with]], it feels like an empty threat. The attempts at expanding the cast with characters like Hannah, Rowena and Claire, most of whom are {{Base Breaking Character}}s or [[TheScrappy worse]], are reviled by many fans who want the show to focus on the older characters they're already invested in, and the lack of a central villain to fight -or even any real objective for the heroes other than just trying to find something to do about the Mark of Cain and hoping Dean doesn't go on a killing spree in the meantime- has caused nearly the entire season to feel like {{filler}}. Not helping are the deaths of [[spoiler: Charlie Bradbury and ''Death itself'']] and the finale ending with a textbook case of VaguenessIsComing. But on the positive side, the writers seem to have finally grasped how sick everyone is of the Sam vs. Dean conflicts and started letting them get along again, and there's been a few hidden gems such as "The Executioner's Song", widely agreed to be one of the best episodes the series has had in years.
** Season 11: It initially showed an improvement on previous seasons. The writers finally managed to match the scale of season 5 in terms of the threat. Yet while the characters may have been on a grand scale ([[spoiler:God and his sister]]), after waiting all season for the confrontation, the actual events were largely lacking in drama.
17th Mar '17 9:33:26 AM tortiecat
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* The fourth season of ''Series/DueSouth''. Several problems contributed to this: the season premiere (Doctor Longball) is not nearly as memorable or exciting as the others from seasons past, the episodes go back to the well of "unmentioned friend/colleague from Fraser/Stanley's past is in need of help," there are no real guest stars or memorable episodes (until the finale), and there's an increasing reliance on Fraser's spiritual conversations with his dead father. The loss of Paul Haggis as a contributor also meant that a lot of the imagery, themes and quotable lines that were prevalent in the first two seasons disappeared. Luckily, the series slightly rebounded with the excellent 2-part finale, "Call of the Wild."

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* The fourth season of ''Series/DueSouth''. Several problems contributed to this: the season premiere (Doctor Longball) is not nearly as memorable or exciting as the others from seasons past, the episodes go back to the well of "unmentioned friend/colleague from Fraser/Stanley's past is in need of help," there are no real guest stars or memorable episodes (until the finale), and there's an increasing reliance on Fraser's spiritual conversations with his dead father. The loss of Paul Haggis as a contributor also meant that a lot of the imagery, themes and quotable lines that were prevalent in the first two seasons disappeared. Luckily, the series slightly rebounded with the excellent 2-part two-part finale, "Call of the Wild."Wild," but the second part of finale is loved by some fans, and hated by others who think most of the characters didn't get satisfying and happy endings.



** Some people would argue that the show's deterioration started from Season 9. After Season 8, two of the show's most beloved characters had left/were killed off. Carter became the main character and his MartyStu-ish tendencies came to the forefront as a result. The show became increasingly preachy, with episodes devoted to Doctors Without Borders (this is a show set in Chicago) that even the cast didn't like (the producers, however, were very proud of them) and the new characters were either uninteresting or annoying, unlike the characters that came before.

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** Some people would argue that the show's deterioration started from Season 9. After Season 8, two of the show's most beloved characters had left/were killed off. Carter became the main character and his MartyStu-ish tendencies came to the forefront as a result. The show became increasingly preachy, with episodes devoted to Doctors Without Borders (this is a show set in Chicago) that even the cast didn't like (the producers, however, were very proud of them) and the new characters were either uninteresting or annoying, unlike the characters that came before. Season 8's "On the Beach" is considered the final episode by certain fans.
16th Mar '17 9:11:31 PM Isaac_Heller
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** Season 6 has been met with scorn by many fans for [[AbortedArc abandoning the Land of Untold Stories concept a few episodes in]], [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter wasting several characters like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde]], bringing in versions of Aladdin and Jasmine that were considered underwhelming, having a [[VillainDecay much campier and less threatening Evil Queen]] as the BigBad, bringing Rumple's behavior toward Belle to ''very'' uncomfortably abusive levels, adding further unwanted {{Retcon}}s, and generally feeling like there was no coherent plot.

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** Season 6 has been met with scorn by many fans for [[AbortedArc abandoning the Land of Untold Stories concept a few episodes in]], [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter wasting several characters like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde]], bringing in versions of Aladdin and Jasmine that were considered underwhelming, having a [[VillainDecay much campier and less threatening Evil Queen]] as the BigBad, bringing Rumple's behavior toward Belle to ''very'' uncomfortably abusive levels, adding further unwanted {{Retcon}}s, and generally feeling like there was there's no coherent plot.
16th Mar '17 9:10:17 PM Isaac_Heller
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** Season 5 has been noted to be little better. Several fans were not happy with Zelena being upgraded to a regular. Merida was largely criticised for overshadowing the main arc and taking screen time away from the core characters. What's more is that the show quickly became overloaded with another KudzuPlot -- with the revelation that [[spoiler: Hook is now a Dark One]] causing the season to do a complete 180 and abandon the arc it had been building with Camelot. Likewise, the midseason finale ending with an AssPull ShockingSwerve was met with outrage by many fans. However, it has been seen by many as an improvement (particularly in its second half) for fixing some of the problems people have with past seasons such as re-railing characters like Charming and Snow, putting more emphasis on the main cast and ensuring that the new characters do not overshadow them. Zelena also got RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap for some people.

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** The first half of Season 5 has been noted to be was considered little better. Several fans were not happy with Zelena being upgraded to a regular. Merida was largely criticised for overshadowing the main arc and taking screen time away from the core characters. What's more is that the show quickly became overloaded with another KudzuPlot -- with the revelation that [[spoiler: Hook is now a Dark One]] causing the season to do a complete 180 and abandon the arc it had been building with Camelot. Likewise, the midseason finale ending with an AssPull ShockingSwerve was met with outrage by many fans. However, it has been the season was seen by many as an improvement (particularly to improve in its second half) for fixing some of the problems people have half.
** Season 6 has been met
with past seasons such as re-railing scorn by many fans for [[AbortedArc abandoning the Land of Untold Stories concept a few episodes in]], [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter wasting several characters like Charming Dr. Jekyll and Snow, putting more emphasis on the main cast Mr. Hyde]], bringing in versions of Aladdin and ensuring Jasmine that were considered underwhelming, having a [[VillainDecay much campier and less threatening Evil Queen]] as the new characters do not overshadow them. Zelena also got RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap for some people.BigBad, bringing Rumple's behavior toward Belle to ''very'' uncomfortably abusive levels, adding further unwanted {{Retcon}}s, and generally feeling like there was no coherent plot.
6th Mar '17 7:42:33 AM LaptopGuy
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* ''Series/{{Community}}'': Season 4, when Dan Harmon out as showrunner many think the creative energy left with him, with episodes relying more on fan-service and increasingly exaggerated plots and characterizations. Season 5 seemed to [[GrowingTheBeard grow the beard]] again, however, thanks to the return of Harmon and fresher, more dynamic episodes. However, both Seasons 5 and 6 also have their detractors (particularly Season 6, which -- following the show's move to a purely online model after being taken over by Yahoo -- had some changes to the format which took some getting used to), and it's widely argued that even after Harmon came back, something was still missing.

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* ''Series/{{Community}}'': Season 4, when Dan Harmon out as showrunner many think the creative energy left with him, with episodes relying more on fan-service and increasingly exaggerated plots and characterizations. Season 5 seemed to [[GrowingTheBeard grow the beard]] again, however, thanks to the return of Harmon and fresher, more dynamic episodes. However, both Seasons 5 and 6 also have their detractors (particularly Season 6, which -- following the show's move to a purely online model after being taken over by Yahoo -- had some changes to the format which took some getting used to), and it's widely argued that even after Harmon came back, something was still missing.missing -- probably Pierce, Troy, and Shirley.



* Many people felt this way about ''Series/KickinIt'' in season 4, due to the entirely new setting and Kim's departure.



* Fans of ''Series/LabRats'' thought that the show hit this when season 4 came around. Why / How? Because of some... "thing" happening in the show, the series was moved from Leo's basement to a bionic island. The only thing that fans thought was good was the {{crossover}} with ''Series/MightyMed'', and only because it didn't have anything to do with the season's plot. Fortunately, the series ended with a good note...

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* Fans of ''Series/LabRats'' thought that the show hit this when season 4 came around. Why / How? Because of some... "thing" happening in the show, the series was moved from Leo's basement to a bionic island. The only thing that fans thought was good was the {{crossover}} with ''Series/MightyMed'', and only because it didn't have anything to do with the season's plot. plot; and the season's special episodes (''Bionic Rebellion'', ''Bionic Action Hero'', ''On The Edge'', ''Space Colony'', and ''The Vanishing'') since those have consistently been the show's greatest strengths. Fortunately, the series it ended with a good note...



** Most fans have claimed Season 2 to be inferior to Season 1, due to the {{Flanderization}} of Jade's character as well as the dumbing down of Cat, and the excessive focus on Tori.

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** Most fans have claimed Season 2 to be inferior to Season 1, due to the {{Flanderization}} of Jade's character as well as the dumbing down of Cat, and the excessive focus on Tori.Tori (yes, she is the main character, but the show ''is'' supposed to be an ensemble piece).
2nd Mar '17 1:03:22 AM TroperBeDoper
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* ''Series/{{Warehouse 13}}'''s fifth and final season is almost universally hated by the fans. Given only ''six episodes'' to wrap everything up, the show on top of its final season brevity forced PlatonicLifePartners Pete and Myka into a sudden, out of nowhere romance plot.
25th Feb '17 11:46:05 PM Arivne
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* ''Series/{{Friends}}'': Despite taking on a DenserAndWackier tone towards the end of Season 3 and {{Flanderization}} kicking in sometime around season five, most fans and critics agree that it generally remained a high quality sitcom and had '''very strong''' ratings up to the last episode. But even most agree that its last two seasons (seasons 9 and 10) is where it really lost its luster. Common complaints are that the flanderization was stretched beyond believability (to the point where the characters had basically become cartoon versions of their former selves), the plots were less creative and more outrageous (for example, one episode centered around Joey not even being able to successfully repeat basic French words), and the actors were very visibly bored with doing the show. Also, while Rachel and Ross having a kid together in Season 8 could have been a great way to ''finally'' end the WillTheyOrWontThey saga between them since ''the very first episode'', they didn't stop it, leading for the whole thing to continue until the ''last five minutes'' of the series finale. Luckily, the show went out on a high note with a solid finale that averted the flaws with the last two seasons, for the most part.

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* ''Series/{{Friends}}'': Despite taking on a DenserAndWackier tone towards the end of Season 3 and {{Flanderization}} kicking in sometime around season five, most fans and critics agree that it generally remained a high quality sitcom and had '''very strong''' very strong ratings up to the last episode. But even most agree that its last two seasons (seasons 9 and 10) is where it really lost its luster. Common complaints are that the flanderization {{flanderization}} was stretched beyond believability (to the point where the characters had basically become cartoon versions of their former selves), the plots were less creative and more outrageous (for example, one episode centered around Joey not even being able to successfully repeat basic French words), and the actors were very visibly bored with doing the show. Also, while Rachel and Ross having a kid together in Season 8 could have been a great way to ''finally'' end the WillTheyOrWontThey saga between them since ''the very first episode'', they didn't stop it, leading for the whole thing to continue until the ''last five minutes'' of the series finale. Luckily, the show went out on a high note with a solid finale that averted the flaws with the last two seasons, for the most part.
3rd Feb '17 2:50:14 AM Doug86
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* Some viewers feel ''Series/{{Nashville}}'' started suffering this in Season 2 following the departure of T-Bone Burnett on the musical front, but his other commitments meant he was only going to work on the series in its first season anyway. Others feel it started suffering this following moving the focus from the music industry, an increase in melodrama (not helped by several of the show's original writers leaving) and introducing a revolving cast of Scrappies; it continued in Season 3, with the show courting DarknessInducedAudienceApathy by staying on the same creative path. The misguided faith in misery and recycled plots (especially in regards to Gunnar and Scarlett) - as well as giving Juliette a postpartum depression storyline that not only didn't work with viewers (or critics) but wound up [[GoneHorriblyWrong backfiring horribly]] due to Hayden Panettiere having it ''for real'' - suggests Season 4 was its last on ABC, its made a ChannelHop to {{CMT}} with new showrunners, the departure of Aubrey Peeples and Will Chase, meaning in her case no more of the [[TheScrappy widely disliked Layla Grant]].

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* Some viewers feel ''Series/{{Nashville}}'' started suffering this in Season 2 following the departure of T-Bone Burnett on the musical front, but his other commitments meant he was only going to work on the series in its first season anyway. Others feel it started suffering this following moving the focus from the music industry, an increase in melodrama (not helped by several of the show's original writers leaving) and introducing a revolving cast of Scrappies; it continued in Season 3, with the show courting DarknessInducedAudienceApathy by staying on the same creative path. The misguided faith in misery and recycled plots (especially in regards to Gunnar and Scarlett) - as well as giving Juliette a postpartum depression storyline that not only didn't work with viewers (or critics) but wound up [[GoneHorriblyWrong backfiring horribly]] due to Hayden Panettiere having it ''for real'' - suggests Season 4 was its last on ABC, its made a ChannelHop to {{CMT}} Creator/{{CMT}} with new showrunners, the departure of Aubrey Peeples and Will Chase, meaning in her case no more of the [[TheScrappy widely disliked Layla Grant]].
27th Jan '17 5:40:13 PM mariofan1000
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* Surprisingly enough for a LongRunner, ''Series/ItsAlwaysSunnyInPhiladelphia'' largely averts this. The show is still considered to be excellent, and although some seasons are accused of being weaker overall (Season 8 and 11 are common targets) the only season that comes close to being universally disliked is [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness the first.]] In fact, much of what usually gets shows accused of JumpingTheShark - {{Flanderization}} of the main characters, introducing a brand new main character played by a [[Creator/DannyDeVito famous actor]], and generally having a more manic, over the top tone - is generally considered to be when the show [[GrowingTheBeard grew the beard.]]
16th Jan '17 7:21:57 PM Jediuser
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* For many fans, ''Series/{{Sherlock}}'' seems to have peaked in series 2. Series 3 is seen as a (slight) let down [[ToughActToFollow compared to what came before it]], while the Christmas Special, ''The Abominable Bride,'' is [[BrokenBase split among the fandom]]. Series 4 had broken the base even further, particularly the final episode, ''The Final Problem.'' Common complaints among fans are the sidelining of mystery solving in favor of soap opera-y character drama, particularly that between Sherlock, John, and Mary, which was further compounded [[spoiler:in the final episode with the introduction of Sherlock's long-lost sister, Euros,]] and the plots becoming ever-more ridiculous to the point where many events felt like an {{Asspull}}.

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* For many fans, ''Series/{{Sherlock}}'' seems to have peaked in series 2. Series 3 is seen as a (slight) let down [[ToughActToFollow compared to what came before it]], while the Christmas Special, ''The "The Abominable Bride,'' Bride", is [[BrokenBase split among the fandom]]. Series 4 had broken the base even further, particularly the final episode, ''The "The Final Problem.'' " Common complaints among fans are the sidelining of mystery solving in favor of soap opera-y character drama, particularly that between Sherlock, John, and Mary, which was further compounded [[spoiler:in the final episode with the introduction of Sherlock's long-lost sister, Euros,]] and the plots becoming ever-more ridiculous to the point where many events felt like an {{Asspull}}.
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