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12th Feb '16 6:54:43 AM Morgenthaler
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** Even before [=nWoD=], this was happening - notably with the revised edition of ''Mage'' and ''KindredOfTheEast''.

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** Even before [=nWoD=], this was happening - notably with the revised edition of ''Mage'' and ''KindredOfTheEast''.''TabletopGame/KindredOfTheEast''.
24th Aug '15 11:45:17 PM Filosera
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** Given the fact that it's acquiring a third edition, Exalted seems to be largely following the same pattern as the other systems mentioned in the 1st-to-4th pattern examples. Said third edition may have some aspects normally associated with a fourth, on account of being written by the Ink Monkeys freelancer team rather than by the company that made the first two editions, White Wolf.
2nd Mar '15 6:49:42 AM SeptimusHeap
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* Tabletop games in general tend to suffer from this over time, partly because of a very simple dynamic. If a game gets some success, fans tend to like its traits. The designers may not: they probably had numerous kludgy hacks and flaws that irritate. Regardless, a 2nd edition usually expands and smooths over the game. Designers will then become somewhat less tolerant of the things they couldn't get rid of previously. A 3rd edition will become somewhat more complicated in ways which often mystify players but also overly-simplify many of the more fun aspects of the game (frequent and often over-used nerfing tends to occur). A 4th edition often sees the designers (possibly an entirely new crew) rip out the entire game and rebuild it. This can utterly change the game, and the dynamic is not always improved by the fact that the later designers often started as fans of the game. Major examples include ''DungeonsAndDragons'', ''TabletopGame/{{Shadowrun}}'', and ''TabletopGame/TheWorldOfDarkness''.

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* Tabletop games in general tend to suffer from this over time, partly because of a very simple dynamic. If a game gets some success, fans tend to like its traits. The designers may not: they probably had numerous kludgy hacks and flaws that irritate. Regardless, a 2nd edition usually expands and smooths over the game. Designers will then become somewhat less tolerant of the things they couldn't get rid of previously. A 3rd edition will become somewhat more complicated in ways which often mystify players but also overly-simplify many of the more fun aspects of the game (frequent and often over-used nerfing tends to occur). A 4th edition often sees the designers (possibly an entirely new crew) rip out the entire game and rebuild it. This can utterly change the game, and the dynamic is not always improved by the fact that the later designers often started as fans of the game. Major examples include ''DungeonsAndDragons'', ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'', ''TabletopGame/{{Shadowrun}}'', and ''TabletopGame/TheWorldOfDarkness''.
10th Feb '15 4:01:55 PM Korvalus
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** 40k's 7th edition, and many things that came with it has this feeling to many players. To number some of it's controversial features: access to [[TheLegionsOfHell Malefic]] [[SummonMagic Demonology]] to factions which are zealous/pragmatic/savvy enough to NEVER do so, said Malefic Demonology, the Lods of War thing (which was, interestingly, a feature of ForgeWorld's branch books before 7th and no-one complained then), EVERYTHING can hold points not just Troops, the Unbound "take what models you want, no limits" style of lists and the feeling that it's just a 6.5 more than a proper 7th.
** ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer The End Times}}'' is this trope made into {{Canon}} and turning it ''beyond'' [[UpToEleven TWELVE]]. {{They Changed It, Now It Sucks}} it's a good way to start to see the general reaction. And that's ONLY in the background material. Just don't even start in the rules or the special characters.
*** Or whorse yet, the rumors about 9th edition...
27th Dec '14 9:23:31 AM TheUnsquished
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* ''BattleTech'' has had many of these. Depending on the specific fan, these include (working roughly backwards):

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* ''BattleTech'' ''TabletopGame/BattleTech'' has had many of these. Depending on the specific fan, these include (working roughly backwards):



** The loss of the rights to the "Unseen" images (despite a major legal battle that established several precedents in copyright law. Also, this complaint has effectively disappeared -- one hopes -- now that the Unseens have been licensed again and are available for use in Battletech artwork.)

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** The loss of the rights to the "Unseen" images (despite a major legal battle that established several precedents in copyright law. Also, this complaint has effectively disappeared -- one hopes -- now that the Unseens have been licensed again and are available for use in Battletech ''[=BattleTech=]'' artwork.)



** The rebranding of the game from "Battledroids" to "BattleTech" (despite that it only existed as the former for about six months, and the threat of legal action from GeorgeLucas)

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** The rebranding of the game from "Battledroids" to "BattleTech" "[=BattleTech=]" (despite that it only existed as the former for about six months, and the threat of legal action from GeorgeLucas)
14th Jul '14 1:08:26 PM Willbyr
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* Every time a new army is released in ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}}'' or ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40K'', cue cries about how said armies rules are ridiculously unbalanced, how every other army is now worthless, how their upgrades are so incredibly unfair and, yes, how Everything Is Ruined ''Forever''. Because gods forbid you might actually have to ''rethink your strategy'' for once.

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* Every time a new army is released in ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}}'' or ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40K'', ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'', cue cries about how said armies rules are ridiculously unbalanced, how every other army is now worthless, how their upgrades are so incredibly unfair and, yes, how Everything Is Ruined ''Forever''. Because gods forbid you might actually have to ''rethink your strategy'' for once.


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26th Oct '13 8:26:39 AM SeptimusHeap
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** The entire setting of Mech Warrior: Dark Age (but this is all [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike complaining about a game they don't like]])

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** The entire setting of Mech Warrior: Dark Age (but this is all [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike [[Administrivia/ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike complaining about a game they don't like]])
24th Oct '13 3:18:19 AM ued199
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** The fall of the HPG network, and everyone attacking their closest targets has some fans cheering for their fav side winning, and others who want their side to get the upper hand.
21st Oct '13 7:38:55 AM SeptimusHeap
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* Every time ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' changes editions, a large amount of the fanbase decides to rise up and complain about how everything has been ruined. This is more true for the changes from 2nd Edition on up, but people complained about the switch between the first and second editions as well. 4th Edition has prompted more shrieks of "D&D IS DEAD" than ever before due to an extreme case of TheyChangedItNowItSucks fueled by pure InternetBackdraft. All that said, this isn't the place to discuss whether it has in fact been ruined, or not. Please TakeItToTheForums.

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* Every time ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' changes editions, a large amount of the fanbase decides to rise up and complain about how everything has been ruined. This is more true for the changes from 2nd Edition on up, but people complained about the switch between the first and second editions as well. 4th Edition has prompted more shrieks of "D&D IS DEAD" than ever before due to an extreme case of TheyChangedItNowItSucks fueled by pure InternetBackdraft. All that said, this isn't the place to discuss whether it has in fact been ruined, or not. Please TakeItToTheForums.Administrivia/TakeItToTheForums.
17th Mar '13 12:18:57 AM ragnarok235
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** The new Necrons aren't {{Omnicidal Maniac}}s who worship {{Eldritch Abomination}}s and now they're just [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}} Tomb Kings]] with [[NeverLiveItDown Pokemon C'tan]]? '''RUINED FOREVER!!!'''

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** The new Necrons aren't {{Omnicidal Maniac}}s who worship {{Eldritch Abomination}}s and now they're just [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}} Tomb Kings]] with [[NeverLiveItDown Pokemon C'tan]]? THE NECRONS ARE '''RUINED FOREVER!!!'''
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