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26th Jun '17 6:50:57 AM Withad
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*** ''Death of Wolverine'' points out that, without his {{Healing Factor}}, the simple act of using and then retracting his claws would likely give Logan a lethal blood infection.
20th Jun '17 12:07:17 PM Tyjohnson616
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*** Also would explain why they crack the ground in a circular fashion when they're holding something heavy up or landing hardunder their own will instead of sinking directly into the ground or cracking in a more logical fashion.

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*** Also would explain why they crack the ground in a circular fashion when they're holding something heavy up or landing hardunder hard ,under their own will will, instead of sinking directly into the ground or cracking in a more logical fashion.
20th Jun '17 12:05:52 PM Tyjohnson616
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*** Also would explain why they crack the ground in a circular fashion when they're holding something heavy up or landing hardunder their own will instead of sinking directly into the ground or cracking in a more logical fashion.
20th Jun '17 10:32:56 AM Tyjohnson616
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** AlternateCompanyEquivalent ComicBook/{{Quicksilver}} explicitly ''doesn't'' have this: while he can slow down his perception as he speeds up, his default is still faster than human normal. It's described as the reason that he's so aggressive: everyone else "like standing behind someone who doesn't know how to use an ATM" Every single moment of the day.

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** AlternateCompanyEquivalent ComicBook/{{Quicksilver}} explicitly ''doesn't'' have this: while he can slow down his perception as he speeds up, his default is still faster than human normal. It's described as the reason that he's so aggressive: everyone else "like to him "is like standing behind someone who doesn't know how to use an ATM" Every every single moment of the day.
20th Jun '17 10:32:27 AM Tyjohnson616
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** AlternateCompanyEquivalent ComicBook/{{Quicksilver}} explicitly ''doesn't'' have this: while he can slow down his perception as he speeds up, his default is still faster than human normal. It's described as the reason that he's so cranky: everyone else is moving at a snail's pace.

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** AlternateCompanyEquivalent ComicBook/{{Quicksilver}} explicitly ''doesn't'' have this: while he can slow down his perception as he speeds up, his default is still faster than human normal. It's described as the reason that he's so cranky: aggressive: everyone else is moving at a snail's pace."like standing behind someone who doesn't know how to use an ATM" Every single moment of the day.
19th Jun '17 10:56:18 AM UglyPanda
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** One power of Archangel's that seems to come and go DependingOnTheWriter is that his blood has healing properties, meaning he is able to grant people a temporary healing factor through a transfusion. This must mean that he is a universal donor since he has yet to kill anyone with an immune system reaction.
*** Assuming the healing factor doesn't just change the blood.

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** One power of Archangel's that seems to come and go DependingOnTheWriter is that his blood has healing properties, meaning he is able to grant people a temporary healing factor through a transfusion. This must mean that he He is not a universal donor since and does not have an unlimited amount of blood, so there are limits on who and how many he has yet to kill anyone with an immune system reaction.
*** Assuming the healing factor doesn't just change the blood.
can heal.
16th Jun '17 11:30:13 AM lillolillo
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* ComicBook/TheFlash's powers are an all inclusive package called [[AWizardDidIt the Speed Force]] but parts of it come and go for the purposes of a given story. For example, his seeming ability to slow down his required super-perception has been pointed out a few times. In the ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'' episode "Only a Dream", for instance, the villain Doctor Destiny tormented superheroes with various nightmares; the Flash dreamt that he was unable to slow down, and perceived everything around him as motionless. The idea of a Flash unable to slow down his perception was also eloquently expanded upon by Jim's Big Ego in [[http://www.bigego.com/index.php?page=video&category=02--Video_Remixes&display=863 this song]].

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* ComicBook/TheFlash's Franchise/TheFlash's powers are an all inclusive package called [[AWizardDidIt the Speed Force]] but parts of it come and go for the purposes of a given story. For example, his seeming ability to slow down his required super-perception has been pointed out a few times. In the ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'' episode "Only a Dream", for instance, the villain Doctor Destiny tormented superheroes with various nightmares; the Flash dreamt that he was unable to slow down, and perceived everything around him as motionless. The idea of a Flash unable to slow down his perception was also eloquently expanded upon by Jim's Big Ego in [[http://www.bigego.com/index.php?page=video&category=02--Video_Remixes&display=863 this song]].



** Flash doesn't always have this ability. In one comic he spent a subjective week watching a movie with his wife.
*** This would be really painful, given that persistence of vision wouldn't work, and so you wouldn't even be able to perceive the motion in the movie properly. It would be like watching a slideshow of someone's vacation pictures.
*** Or rather like watching a procession of phosphorous dots or pixels cover the screen one at a time, ''possibly'' building up to a coherent picture at the end. For every single frame of the movie.
*** At least one comic has explained this as being subconscious. When he is bored he tends to zone out and activate his speed without meaning to. This means that a conversation with his father in law, or a trip to the opera, can take forever.

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** Flash doesn't always have this ability. In one comic he spent a subjective week watching a movie with his wife.
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wife. This would be really painful, given that persistence of vision wouldn't work, and so you wouldn't even be able to perceive the motion in the movie properly. It would be like watching a slideshow of someone's vacation pictures.
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pictures. Or rather like watching a procession of phosphorous dots or pixels cover the screen one at a time, ''possibly'' building up to a coherent picture at the end. For every single frame of the movie.
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movie. At least one comic has explained this as being subconscious. When he is bored he tends to zone out and activate his speed without meaning to. This means that a conversation with his father in law, or a trip to the opera, can take forever.



*** Bart also discovers that he can't have a tattoo because of this. After [[IncrediblyLamePun impulsively]] getting a Green Lantern logo tattoo (because who would suspect a guy with GreenLantern's logo tattooed on him being Kid Flash?) he finds that it quickly fades away, as if decades of epidermal rejuvenation were taking place in a few seconds. One wonders why he doesn't [[{{squick}} leave piles of skin cells everywhere he goes]].

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*** ** Bart also discovers that he can't have a tattoo because of this. After [[IncrediblyLamePun impulsively]] getting a Green Lantern Franchise/GreenLantern logo tattoo (because who would suspect a guy with GreenLantern's logo tattooed on him being Kid Flash?) he finds that it quickly fades away, as if decades of epidermal rejuvenation were taking place in a few seconds. One wonders why he doesn't [[{{squick}} leave piles of skin cells everywhere he goes]].



* In one of the ''ComicBook/{{Superman}}'' annuals (as part of the "Legends of the Dead Earth" motif), there was a team of heroes, each of which having one of Superman's powers, but the powers were either [[PowerIncontinence stuck "on"]] or coupled with potentially-hazardous side effects, even when those were powers granted by a "supersuit" rather than bio-modification. The speedster's suit had to keep her blood sugar levels up and the super-breath guy's collar worked both ways, so he could have ruptured his lungs if he breathed in too suddenly. Of the bio-modified heroes the super-strong one couldn't even feed himself because he would crush the spoon and the food, the X-ray eyes hero saw everything in X-ray eyes and had to wear special lead glasses, the flier had to be tethered to something because if he wasn't deliberately moving towards something he could drift away, the heat-vision guy had to discharge the energy from his eyes every so often to prevent a fatal buildup, and the invulnerable one had no sense of touch.
* After the 1986 revamp, Comicbook/{{Superman}} was assumed to have some version of touch-based telekinesis, as there's no other explanation for why he can lift up giant objects without the part that he's holding simply overbalancing and ripping free, or how he can catch falling objects (and people!) without doing them harm [[NotTheFallThatKillsYou from the sudden stop]]. On at least one occasion Superman did comment that things felt different when he was carrying them while flying than they did if he lifted something similar when not flying.
** This was tacitly acknowledged to be true when he was cloned, resulting in Superboy. Superboy's ''only'' power was tactile telekinesis, which he used to "fake" stuff like flight, invulnerability, and super strength, until [[RetCon eventually]] his Kryptonian genetics kicked in and he got them for real.
** Superman's heat vision started out as a seeming Required Secondary Power of his X-ray vision. It was originally assumed that his X-ray vision worked by projecting X-rays and that he could focus this to generate heat. Now it seems that they are separate powers and his X-ray vision works by attuning his eyes to perceive X-rays (this in turn was extended to allow him to see an increasingly broad range of the electromagnetic spectrum).

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In one of the ''ComicBook/{{Superman}}'' ''Superman'' annuals (as part of the "Legends of the Dead Earth" motif), there was a team of heroes, each of which having one of Superman's powers, but the powers were either [[PowerIncontinence stuck "on"]] or coupled with potentially-hazardous side effects, even when those were powers granted by a "supersuit" rather than bio-modification. The speedster's suit had to keep her blood sugar levels up and the super-breath guy's collar worked both ways, so he could have ruptured his lungs if he breathed in too suddenly. Of the bio-modified heroes the super-strong one couldn't even feed himself because he would crush the spoon and the food, the X-ray eyes hero saw everything in X-ray eyes and had to wear special lead glasses, the flier had to be tethered to something because if he wasn't deliberately moving towards something he could drift away, the heat-vision guy had to discharge the energy from his eyes every so often to prevent a fatal buildup, and the invulnerable one had no sense of touch.
* After the 1986 revamp, Comicbook/{{Superman}} Superman was assumed to have some version of touch-based telekinesis, as there's no other explanation for why he can lift up giant objects without the part that he's holding simply overbalancing and ripping free, or how he can catch falling objects (and people!) without doing them harm [[NotTheFallThatKillsYou from the sudden stop]]. On at least one occasion Superman did comment that things felt different when he was carrying them while flying than they did if he lifted something similar when not flying.
** This was tacitly acknowledged to be true when he was cloned, resulting in Superboy.Comicbook/{{Superboy}}. Superboy's ''only'' power was tactile telekinesis, which he used to "fake" stuff like flight, invulnerability, and super strength, until [[RetCon eventually]] his Kryptonian genetics kicked in and he got them for real.
** Superman's Superman and Comicbook/{{Supergirl}}'s heat vision started out as a seeming Required Secondary Power of his their X-ray vision. It was originally assumed that his X-ray vision power worked by projecting X-rays and that he they could focus this to generate heat. Now it seems that they are separate powers and his X-ray vision works by attuning his eyes to perceive X-rays (this in turn was extended to allow him to see an increasingly broad range of the electromagnetic spectrum).powers.



** John Byrne, who revamped Superman, had previously used the explanation for Gladiator over at Marvel, who was a Superman-[[CaptainErsatz ersatz]] from the Imperial Guard, themselves an AlternateCompanyEquivalent of the ComicBook/LegionOfSuperHeroes. In Gladiator's case his power level is explicitly affected by his state of mind-- loss of confidence makes him physically weaker.
** This was parodied in ''Literature/WildCards'' by Golden Boy, who when rounding up Nazi war criminals attempted to do things like stop cars, bend tank turrets into knots or lift a tank up by the turret, but invariably the gun barrel would rip off or he wouldn't have the leverage, and cars just sent him flying. Eventually, he gave up and resumed just knocking them over or tearing them apart from below.
** The "using-telekinesis-to-fake-strength" power is common enough in the Literature/WhateleyUniverse to have a name, "TK Brick". Hank (aka Lancer), one of the main characters, is one.
** In one Silver Age story, a villain removes Superman's powers one at a time. At one point, he is about to land, but loses his strength at that very moment, and as a result plows into the ground (he was still invulnerable). He points out that even though he still has the ability to fly, he needs the super-strength to coordinate his flying and landing.
** According to some accounts, Supes has a forcefield that extends a few milimeters past his skin. Which explains why his costume stays intact while his cape gets ripped. But not why the cape is fine at superspeed. Depending on the version, the cape is the blanket Superman was sent to Earth with, meaning it's more or less indestructible. In some versions, the entire costume is made from it.

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** John Byrne, who revamped Superman, had previously used the explanation for Gladiator over at Marvel, who was a Superman-[[CaptainErsatz ersatz]] from the Imperial Guard, themselves an AlternateCompanyEquivalent of the ComicBook/LegionOfSuperHeroes. In Gladiator's case his power level is explicitly affected by his state of mind-- loss of confidence makes him physically weaker.
** This was parodied in ''Literature/WildCards'' by Golden Boy, who when rounding up Nazi war criminals attempted to do things like stop cars, bend tank turrets into knots or lift a tank up by the turret, but invariably the gun barrel would rip off or he wouldn't have the leverage, and cars just sent him flying. Eventually, he gave up and resumed just knocking them over or tearing them apart from below.
** The "using-telekinesis-to-fake-strength" power is common enough in the Literature/WhateleyUniverse to have a name, "TK Brick". Hank (aka Lancer), one of the main characters, is one.
** In one Silver Age story, ''Comicbook/KryptoniteNevermore'', a villain removes Superman's powers one at a time. At one point, he is about to land, but loses his strength at that very moment, and as a result plows into the ground (he was still invulnerable). He points out that even though he still has the ability to fly, he needs the super-strength to coordinate his flying and landing.
** According to some accounts, Supes has Kryptonians have a forcefield that extends a few milimeters past his skin. their skins. Which explains why his costume stays Superman, Supergirl, Superboy, Comicbook/PowerGirl... costumes stay intact while his cape gets their capes get ripped. But not why the cape is fine at superspeed. Depending on the version, the cape is the blanket Superman was sent to Earth with, meaning it's more or less indestructible. In some versions, the entire costume is made from it.



* Even Kryponite has a RequiredSecondaryPower: it causes Superman to be severely weakened in its vicinity. This prevents Supes from simply hurling the rock away before he takes too much damage. Notably averted through HeroicWillpower in ''SupermanReturns.''
* In Action comics 535 - 541 Lord Satanus and his sister Blaze are playing magical tug of war with Superman - and accidentally split him into two people, each with only some of Superman's powers. One has flight and super strength. The other has invulnerability. Their magic spell would flood him with enough magical energy to kill him, so they need the invulnerability to process it.They didn't need the other one so they leave him in the present and go back into the past. Now vulnerable, this superman can't fly supersonic, or lift anything as heavy as a car without extreme pain.
* Sometimes, the RequiredSecondaryPowers pop up when the writer wants to find some way for a superhero to make up for their [[WhatKindOfLamePowerIsHeartAnyway somewhat less satisfying powers]]. Comicbook/{{Aquaman}}'s lifetime in the sea leads to an increased strength, agility, and resilience on land that would help him to survive and move easily in the ocean depths.

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* ** Even Kryponite has a RequiredSecondaryPower: Required Secondary Power: it causes Superman Kryptonians to be severely weakened in its vicinity. This prevents Supes them from simply hurling the rock away before he takes they take too much damage. Notably averted through HeroicWillpower in ''SupermanReturns.''Film/SupermanReturns.''
* ** In Action comics 535 - 541 Lord Satanus and his sister Blaze are playing magical tug of war with Superman - and accidentally split him into two people, each with only some of Superman's powers. One has flight and super strength. The other has invulnerability. Their magic spell would flood him with enough magical energy to kill him, so they need the invulnerability to process it. They didn't need the other one so they leave him in the present and go back into the past. Now vulnerable, this superman can't fly supersonic, or lift anything as heavy as a car without extreme pain.
* Sometimes, the RequiredSecondaryPowers pop up when the writer wants to find some way for a superhero to make up for their [[WhatKindOfLamePowerIsHeartAnyway somewhat less satisfying powers]]. Comicbook/{{Aquaman}}'s Comicbook/{{Aquaman}}:
** Aquaman's
lifetime in the sea leads to an increased strength, agility, and resilience on land that would help him to survive and move easily in the ocean depths.



*** A rare case of RequiredSecondaryPowers being more awesome than [[WhatKindOfLamePowerIsHeartAnyway his primary powers.]]



*** During the "Justice League Detroit" days, he was shown being able to influence people's actions through the same "fish portion of the brain" excuse. How little sense this makes is the least part of why many people [[FanonDisContinuity deny the JLD ever happened]].
** GeoffJohns explained that the second [[WesternAnimation/YoungJustice Aqualad]] possesses superhuman vision as a result of his eyes being designed to see even while at the bottom of the ocean, where there is obviously little to no sunlight.

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*** ** During the "Justice League Detroit" days, he was shown being able to influence people's actions through the same "fish portion of the brain" excuse. How little sense this makes is the least part of why many people [[FanonDisContinuity deny the JLD ever happened]].
** GeoffJohns Creator/GeoffJohns explained that the second [[WesternAnimation/YoungJustice Aqualad]] Aqualad possesses superhuman vision as a result of his eyes being designed to see even while at the bottom of the ocean, where there is obviously little to no sunlight.



* Strangely both averted and used in ''ComicBook/LegionOfSuperHeroes V2''. Supergirl is trying to move a planet. She has the strength, but attempting to do so just ends up digging a hole through the planet because she can't move it as a single object by touching a small part of it. However, the "solution" used is to have her bounce into the planet, which really should fail for the same reason.
* In a BadFuture issue of Creator/GrantMorrison's ''[[Franchise/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica JLA]]'', [[ComicBook/GreenArrow Connor Hawke]] and ComicBook/TheAtom were able to penetrate Darkseid's supposedly unbreakable [[DeflectorShields force field]] by exploiting the fact that light waves could pass through it. The Atom reasoned that if the field actually shut out light, Darkseid would be blind.

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* Strangely both averted and used in ''ComicBook/LegionOfSuperHeroes V2''. Supergirl Comicbook/{{Supergirl}} is trying to move a planet. She has the strength, but attempting to do so just ends up digging a hole through the planet because she can't move it as a single object by touching a small part of it. However, the "solution" used is to have her bounce into the planet, which really should fail for the same reason.
* In a BadFuture issue of Creator/GrantMorrison's ''[[Franchise/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica JLA]]'', [[ComicBook/GreenArrow [[Comicbook/GreenArrow Connor Hawke]] and ComicBook/TheAtom were able to penetrate Darkseid's supposedly unbreakable [[DeflectorShields force field]] by exploiting the fact that light waves could pass through it. The Atom reasoned that if the field actually shut out light, Darkseid would be blind.



*** This was explicitly acknowledged several times: for instance, in UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|of Comic Books}} he was technically fast enough to travel through time under his own power (like Superman could), but he would have been totally atomised by friction if he ever tried to move at that kind of speed.

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*** ** This was explicitly acknowledged several times: for instance, in UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|of Comic Books}} he was technically fast enough to travel through time under his own power (like Superman could), but he would have been totally atomised by friction if he ever tried to move at that kind of speed.
8th Jun '17 9:48:23 PM nombretomado
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*** Similarly, Carnifex (''WildCards'' Wolverine expy; his backstory included time on the [[StealthPun University of Michigan's football team]]) made a habit of having his face redone by plastic surgeons every couple years thanks to the scars and similar healing mishaps he inevitably accumulated as a BloodKnight.

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*** Similarly, Carnifex (''WildCards'' (''Literature/WildCards'' Wolverine expy; his backstory included time on the [[StealthPun University of Michigan's football team]]) made a habit of having his face redone by plastic surgeons every couple years thanks to the scars and similar healing mishaps he inevitably accumulated as a BloodKnight.
8th Jun '17 9:46:47 PM nombretomado
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** This was parodied in ''WildCards'' by Golden Boy, who when rounding up Nazi war criminals attempted to do things like stop cars, bend tank turrets into knots or lift a tank up by the turret, but invariably the gun barrel would rip off or he wouldn't have the leverage, and cars just sent him flying. Eventually, he gave up and resumed just knocking them over or tearing them apart from below.

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** This was parodied in ''WildCards'' ''Literature/WildCards'' by Golden Boy, who when rounding up Nazi war criminals attempted to do things like stop cars, bend tank turrets into knots or lift a tank up by the turret, but invariably the gun barrel would rip off or he wouldn't have the leverage, and cars just sent him flying. Eventually, he gave up and resumed just knocking them over or tearing them apart from below.
1st Jun '17 7:58:29 PM nombretomado
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** The "using-telekinesis-to-fake-strength" power is common enough in the WhateleyUniverse to have a name, "TK Brick". Hank (aka Lancer), one of the main characters, is one.

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** The "using-telekinesis-to-fake-strength" power is common enough in the WhateleyUniverse Literature/WhateleyUniverse to have a name, "TK Brick". Hank (aka Lancer), one of the main characters, is one.
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