History ReplacementScrappy / ComicBooks

2nd Dec '16 12:07:53 PM kyojikasshu
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*** Compounding the Scrappydom for Teen Tony was his "hologram armor", which was basically an in-universe way to justify [[DependingOnTheArtist its inconsistent appearance between issues]].
2nd Dec '16 11:54:42 AM kyojikasshu
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* From ComicBook/MarvelNow2016, Riri Williams, the new Iron Man. The majority of fans hate her because she's barely had any appearances, yet is the new Iron Man over other well-established characters. Others hate her because the name is Iron ''Man'', so it's clear she's a publicity stunt. And ''others'' hate her because she's [[CharacterShilling said to be better than Tony]], which a lot of people think is contrived. Basically this trope combined with lots of CreatorsPet.

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* ''ComicBook/IronMan'':
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From ComicBook/MarvelNow2016, Riri Williams, the new Iron Man. The majority of fans hate her because she's barely had any appearances, yet is the new Iron Man over other well-established characters. Others hate her because the name is Iron ''Man'', so it's clear she's a publicity stunt. And ''others'' hate her because she's [[CharacterShilling said to be better than Tony]], which a lot of people think is contrived. Basically this trope combined with lots of CreatorsPet.CreatorsPet.
** From the aftermath of ''ComicBook/TheCrossing'', teen Tony Stark. Many Iron Man fans were already unsatisfied with adult Tony's FaceHeelTurn as it was, and were even less happy about him supposedly being EvilAllAlong (to the point that ''ComicBook/AvengersForever'' would RetCon that last bit for the most part), so bringing in an "uncorrputed" younger self from an AlternateTimeline really did not help matters at all. If there are any positives to the cash-grab that was ''ComicBook/HeroesReborn'', it was that it ultimately allowed [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Franklin Richards]] to reset Tony back to his adult, non-evil self.
1st Dec '16 2:27:55 AM jormis29
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* Tanarus, the guy who's replaced [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]] after ''Comicbook/FearItself'' has got hate immediately, because he looks like a NinetiesAntiHero, his appearance and Thor's death mean that there won't be interaction between Thor and Kid!Loki for awhile, he's not using Mjolnir at all, but a weird staff with a heavy head (indicating to fans that he's not worthy to be Thor anyways, since a worthy person can lift the hammer), and for not being one of the ''many'' established people who could take over for Thor, namely Beta-Ray Bill and Thunderstrike. Oh, and the fact that when the announcement was made Thor wasn't even dead yet. Thankfully, this turned out to be wholly intentional on the writer's part, as Tanarus was revealed to be someone's impersonation of Thor who had usurped everyone but Loki's memories of him, and ended up integral to Thor's return. Notably, he really didn't star in most of the comics, Loki taking over that title too until Thor was back.

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* Tanarus, the guy who's replaced [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]] after ''Comicbook/FearItself'' has got hate immediately, because he looks like a NinetiesAntiHero, his appearance and Thor's death mean that there won't be interaction between Thor and Kid!Loki for awhile, he's not using Mjolnir {{Mjolnir}} at all, but a weird staff with a heavy head (indicating to fans that he's not worthy to be Thor anyways, since a worthy person can lift the hammer), and for not being one of the ''many'' established people who could take over for Thor, namely Beta-Ray Bill and Thunderstrike. Oh, and the fact that when the announcement was made Thor wasn't even dead yet. Thankfully, this turned out to be wholly intentional on the writer's part, as Tanarus was revealed to be someone's impersonation of Thor who had usurped everyone but Loki's memories of him, and ended up integral to Thor's return. Notably, he really didn't star in most of the comics, Loki taking over that title too until Thor was back.
2nd Nov '16 9:16:34 AM XSpectreGreyX
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* Superman had an interesting case with the New 52. Many, ''many'' people disliked the New 52 Superman (Nu[=/=]Supes) for being much angrier and jerkier than his Pre-Flashpoint counterpart, gaining a strange solar flare power that seemed to exist only to depower him every other week, along with issues with him dating Wonder Woman rather than Lois Lane. While he gained some fans eventually, he also lost some with the ComicBook/SupermanTruth storyline, which had him return to being a Jerkass while also giving him an uglier costume and haircut. It didn't help that, by that point, the Pre-Flashpoint Superman had migrated over to the New 52 universe with his Lois Lane and their son, and said Superman was considered ''much'' more interesting. In the end, DC pulled the trigger and killed the New 52 Superman right before the ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'' initiative, which led to...
* Pre-Flashpoint Superman (Super Dad) becoming a ReplacementScrappy for Nu[=/=]Supes! While it's ''much'' less common to find people who prefer Nu[=/=]Supes, there are quite a few people who do feel bad for Nu[=/=]Supes' fans. However, in this case the Super Dad detractors are in the minority, and the overall consensus is that the Rebirth Superman line is the strongest the franchise has been in ''years''.

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* Superman had an interesting case with the New 52. Many, ''many'' people disliked the New 52 Superman (Nu[=/=]Supes) ([[FanNickname NuSupes]]) for being much angrier and jerkier than his Pre-Flashpoint counterpart, gaining a strange solar flare power that seemed to exist only to depower him every other week, along with issues with him dating Wonder Woman rather than Lois Lane. While he gained some fans eventually, he also lost some with the ComicBook/SupermanTruth storyline, which had him return to being a Jerkass while also giving him an uglier costume and haircut. It didn't help that, by that point, the Pre-Flashpoint Superman had migrated over to the New 52 universe with his Lois Lane and their son, and said Superman was considered ''much'' more interesting. In the end, DC pulled the trigger and killed the New 52 Superman right before the ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'' initiative, which led to...
* ** Pre-Flashpoint Superman (Super Dad) becoming a ReplacementScrappy for Nu[=/=]Supes! Nu[]Supes! While it's ''much'' less common to find people who prefer Nu[=/=]Supes, Nu[]Supes, there are quite a few people who do feel bad for Nu[=/=]Supes' Nu[]Supes' fans. However, in this case the Super Dad detractors are in the minority, and the overall consensus is that the Rebirth Superman line is the strongest the franchise has been in ''years''.
2nd Nov '16 9:15:15 AM XSpectreGreyX
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* Superman had an interesting case with the New 52. Many, ''many'' people disliked the New 52 Superman (Nu[=/=]Supes) for being much angrier and jerkier than his Pre-Flashpoint counterpart, gaining a strange solar flare power that seemed to exist only to depower him every other week, along with issues with him dating Wonder Woman rather than Lois Lane. While he gained some fans eventually, he also lost some with the ComicBook/SupermanTruth storyline, which had him return to being a Jerkass while also giving him an uglier costume and haircut. It didn't help that, by that point, the Pre-Flashpoint Superman had migrated over to the New 52 universe with his Lois Lane and their son, and said Superman was considered ''much'' more interesting. In the end, DC pulled the trigger and killed the New 52 Superman right before the ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'' initiative, which led to...
* Pre-Flashpoint Superman (Super Dad) becoming a ReplacementScrappy for Nu[=/=]Supes! While it's ''much'' less common to find people who prefer Nu[=/=]Supes, there are quite a few people who do feel bad for Nu[=/=]Supes' fans. However, in this case the Super Dad detractors are in the minority, and the overall consensus is that the Rebirth Superman line is the strongest the franchise has been in ''years''.
12th Oct '16 1:00:04 AM Tron80
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* ComicBook/{{Supergirl}}, Supergirl, Supergirl.
** After the original was [[HeroicSacrifice killed]] and {{Ret Gone}}d, DC initiated a LegacyImplosion policy which prevented the existence of any Kryptonians besides Superman. JohnByrne then engaged in a bit of LoopholeAbuse and gave us Matrix, a Supergirl that was basically an ArtificialHuman from a PocketDimension. While thought inferior to the original, she was at least ''a'' Supergirl and existed for several years.
** Her popularity decreased however, as PeterDavid was allowed to completely revamp the character in his own run on Supergirl. His Supergirl was actually [[OurAngelsAreDifferent an angel]], created when the Matrix Supergirl fused with a human named Linda Danvers. His run, while making [[MythologyGag a number of references to the original Supergirl]], touched on religious and supernatural themes. It was seen by many as a departure from the original character and the Superman mythos (although it's not like Superman hasn't dealt with magic and demons before). The situation was similar to the Cassandra Cain Batgirl (see above) in that despite her earlier problems Linda gained a sizable fanbase and the series ran for several years. Peter David finished the series with an arc that reintroduced the original Supergirl with the hope of turning it into a new series. Unfortunately it didn't happen and Linda was PutOnABus, but it may have inspired the creation of the Supergirl that came after the next one...
** Cir-El. Claiming to be Superman and Lois Lane's KidFromTheFuture, she was [[TheScrappy extremely unpopular]], revealed to be a fake created by the villain Brainiac, and was quickly [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome removed and forgotten]].
** And finally a new version of the original Supergirl, Kara Zor-El, was created supposedly just to get rid of the [[ContinuitySnarl confusing origins]] of the previous Supergirls now that the LegacyImplosion policy was overturned. Although her initial appearances were promising (except for people who were upset with Linda's disappearance), she garnished significant hatred for being both DarkerAndEdgier and MsFanservice. Not to mention the fact that her backstory on Krypton was {{Retcon}}ed with every writer she had. An AuthorsSavingThrow finally softened her character and clarified her history, which was mostly accepted by the fanbase.

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* ComicBook/{{Supergirl}}, Supergirl, Supergirl.
ComicBook/{{Supergirl}}:
** After the original was [[HeroicSacrifice killed]] and {{Ret Gone}}d, DC initiated a LegacyImplosion policy which prevented the existence of any Kryptonians besides Superman. JohnByrne Creator/JohnByrne then engaged in a bit of LoopholeAbuse and gave us Matrix, a Supergirl that was basically an ArtificialHuman from a PocketDimension. While thought inferior to the original, she was at least ''a'' Supergirl and existed for several years.
** Her popularity decreased however, as PeterDavid and Creator/PeterDavid was allowed to completely revamp the character in his own run on Supergirl. His Supergirl was actually [[OurAngelsAreDifferent an angel]], created when the Matrix Supergirl fused with a human named Linda Danvers. His run, while making [[MythologyGag a number of references to the original Supergirl]], touched on religious and supernatural themes. It was seen by many as a departure from the original character and the Superman mythos (although it's not like Superman hasn't dealt with magic and demons before). The situation was similar to the Cassandra Cain Batgirl (see above) in that despite her earlier problems Linda gained a sizable fanbase and the series ran for several years.mythos. Peter David finished the series with an arc that reintroduced the original Supergirl with the hope of turning it into a new series. Unfortunately it didn't happen and Linda was PutOnABus, but it may have inspired the creation of the Supergirl that came after the next one...
PutOnABus.
** Cir-El. Claiming to be Superman and Lois Lane's KidFromTheFuture, she was [[TheScrappy extremely unpopular]], revealed to be a fake created by the villain Brainiac, Comicbook/{{Brainiac}}, and was quickly [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome removed and forgotten]].
** And finally a new version of the original Supergirl, Kara Zor-El, was created supposedly just to get rid of the [[ContinuitySnarl confusing origins]] of the previous Supergirls now that once the LegacyImplosion policy was overturned. Although her initial appearances were promising (except for people who were upset with Linda's disappearance), she garnished significant hatred for being both DarkerAndEdgier and MsFanservice. Not to mention the fact that her backstory on Krypton was {{Retcon}}ed with every writer she had. An AuthorsSavingThrow MsFanservice for a while. Several {{Authors Saving Throw}}s by writers Tony Bedard and Sterling Gates -who were fans of original Supergirl- finally softened her character and clarified her history, which was mostly accepted by the fanbase.and she became popular.
30th Jul '16 5:21:01 AM KamenRiderKrypton
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** Jason Rusch (ComicBook/{{Firestorm}}) for Ronnie Raymond, since Ronnie was unceremoniously killed off to make way for Rusch. The New 52 continuity not only retconned the death of Ronnie Raymond (the first Firestorm who was killed to make way for Jason) but now made it possible for both he and Jason to become Firestorm at the same time, alleviating some of the tension between the characters' respective fanbases.

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** * Jason Rusch (ComicBook/{{Firestorm}}) for Ronnie Raymond, since Ronnie was unceremoniously killed off to make way for Rusch. The New 52 continuity not only retconned the death of Ronnie Raymond (the first Firestorm who was killed to make way for Jason) but now made it possible for both he and Jason to become Firestorm at the same time, alleviating some of the tension between the characters' respective fanbases.
30th Jul '16 5:19:01 AM KamenRiderKrypton
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** When Creator/ChrisClaremont returned to the X-Men in the early 2000s, he created a number of new antagonists for them to fight, such as the Neo, the Shockwave Riders, Vargas, the disembodied telepath Elias Bogan, and a mutant slavery ring led by an alien named Tullamore Voge. None of these characters were particularly well-received, and most of them got a good deal of unnecessary CharacterShilling comparing them favorably to the established villains - Apocalypse considered the Shockwave Riders {{Worthy Opponent}}s, Bogan was said to be the ultimate head of the Hellfire Club despite never being mentioned before, and so on. It's probably telling that any time a writer other than Claremont has used one of these characters, they're shown being defeated in an amusingly undignified way, and ultimately most of them ended up as cannon fodder for {{Bat Family Crossover}}s.



** When Creator/ChrisClaremont returned to the X-Men in the early 2000s, he created a number of new antagonists for them to fight, such as the Neo, the Shockwave Riders, Vargas, the disembodied telepath Elias Bogan, and a mutant slavery ring led by an alien named Tullamore Voge. None of these characters were particularly well-received, and most of them got a good deal of unnecessary CharacterShilling comparing them favorably to the established villains - Apocalypse considered the Shockwave Riders {{Worthy Opponent}}s, Bogan was said to be the ultimate head of the Hellfire Club despite never being mentioned before, and so on. It's probably telling that any time a writer other than Claremont has used one of these characters, they're shown being defeated in an amusingly undignified way, and ultimately most of them ended up as cannon fodder for {{Bat Family Crossover}}s.
28th Jul '16 10:05:43 AM KamenRiderKrypton
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** Damian Wayne (Robin IV) for Tim Drake (Robin III). When Damian was introduced, he did some very bad stuff, like beheading a B-list villain and almost killing Tim. While Bruce didn't approve, many people feel he got off too lightly just because he's Bruce's biological son. He didn't officially take up the identity of Robin until after the "death" of Bruce Wayne, when Dick Grayson unceremoniously fired Tim from the role to allow for Damian. Tim would go on to be called Red Robin, a name not liked by many of his fans, and don two ugly-ass costumes. Tim was restricted to his solo series, which was considered pretty mediocre and furthered his "Batman Jr." {{Flanderization}}, while Damian got to appear in multiple well-received series. While this Rescued Damian from the Scrappy Heap, it also caused some resentment from Tim fans. Later on, after the New 52, Tim would only regularly appear in the much loathed ''Teen Titans'' ongoing, while Damian was featured in ''Batman and Robin'', where he got away with more things no other Robin could get away with. However that series is still incredibly well-liked, as is Damian as a whole, especially for his relationships with BRuce and Dick. Basically, many Tim Drake fans still hate Damian for getting such a large push from DC at Tim's expense, up to and including tim's place in the Batfamily.

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** Damian Wayne (Robin IV) for Tim Drake (Robin III). When Damian was introduced, he did some very bad stuff, like beheading a B-list villain and almost killing Tim. While Bruce didn't approve, many people feel he got off too lightly just because he's Bruce's biological son. He didn't officially take up the identity of Robin until after the "death" of Bruce Wayne, when Dick Grayson unceremoniously fired Tim from the role to allow for Damian. Tim would go on to be called Red Robin, a name not liked by many of his fans, and don two ugly-ass costumes. Tim was restricted to his solo series, which was considered pretty mediocre and furthered his "Batman Jr." {{Flanderization}}, while Damian got to appear in multiple well-received series. While this Rescued Damian from the Scrappy Heap, it also caused some resentment from Tim fans. Later on, after the New 52, Tim would only regularly appear in the much loathed ''Teen Titans'' ongoing, while Damian was featured in ''Batman and Robin'', where he got away with more things no other Robin could get away with. However that series is still incredibly well-liked, as is Damian as a whole, especially for his relationships with BRuce Bruce and Dick. Basically, many Tim Drake fans still hate Damian for getting such a large push from DC at Tim's expense, up to and including tim's place in the Batfamily.
27th Jul '16 5:37:24 AM XSpectreGreyX
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* There are a lot of fans who hate any character in ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'' who took the spotlight after [[spoiler:Gert died]]. No one gets this more than [[GreenThumb Klara Prast]], for being the only character not created by Creator/BrianKVaughan, for not having a supervillain parent like every other member of the team, for being introduced in a story generally regarded as a BizarroEpisode, for freaking out over the team lesbians, for not having an origin for her powers, for having a punny name...
** Lampshaded, when Molly remarks that the team eventually gets used to the new recruits [[spoiler: by the time someone else dies]].
** And then there was [[ComicBook/{{Runaways2015}} the new team]] introduced in ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'', which was almost entirely unconnected to the old team and made up of alternate-reality versions of established characters like Amadeus Cho and Jubilee. Originally advertised as an ongoing series but turned out to be just a four issue mini. It's unclear if this was by design[[note]]Most SW tie-ins were advertised as ongoings even in cases where it was fairly clear from the beginning that they won't be, like ''Years of Future Past''.[[/note]] or because it became one of the lowest-selling SW tie-ins.

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* There are a lot of fans who hate any character in ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'' who took Pretty much everything about the spotlight after [[spoiler:Gert died]]. No one gets this more than [[GreenThumb Klara Prast]], for being the only character not created by Creator/BrianKVaughan, for not having ''Comicbook/AvengersArena'' [[BrokenBase base is broken]], but a supervillain parent like every other member of the team, for being introduced in a story generally regarded as a BizarroEpisode, for freaking out over the team lesbians, for not having an origin for her powers, for having a punny name...
** Lampshaded, when Molly remarks that the team eventually gets used to
good segment loathes the new recruits [[spoiler: by characters from the time someone else dies]].
** And then there was [[ComicBook/{{Runaways2015}} the new team]] introduced in ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'', which was almost entirely unconnected to the old team and made up
[[ComicBook/CaptainBritain Braddock Academy]] out of alternate-reality versions of fear that established characters like Amadeus Cho and Jubilee. Originally advertised ([[spoiler:such as an ongoing series but turned out to poor [[Comicbook/AvengersAcademy Mettle]]]]) will be just a four issue mini. It's unclear if this was by design[[note]]Most SW tie-ins were advertised as ongoings even in cases where it was fairly clear from the beginning that killed so they won't be, like ''Years of Future Past''.[[/note]] or because it became one of the lowest-selling SW tie-ins.can have more screentime.



* Tanarus, the guy who's replaced [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]] after ''Comicbook/FearItself'' has got hate immediately, because he looks like a NinetiesAntiHero, his appearance and Thor's death mean that there won't be interaction between Thor and Kid!Loki for awhile, he's not using Mjolnir at all, but a weird staff with a heavy head (indicating to fans that he's not worthy to be Thor anyways, since a worthy person can lift the hammer), and for not being one of the ''many'' established people who could take over for Thor, namely Beta-Ray Bill and Thunderstrike. Oh, and the fact that when the announcement was made Thor wasn't even dead yet.
** The first and last seem to be annoying people the most, since the first is clearly so Kid!Loki will have a harder time of it without Thor to protect him and the latter is seen as being too much like the DC reboot's treatment of well-liked characters.
** In-universe, Loki loathes Taranus for this very reason. It's even worse for Loki because [[spoiler:he's the one responsible for this situation.]]
** Thankfully, this turned out to be wholly intentional on the writer's part, as Tanarus was revealed to be someone's impersonation of Thor who had usurped everyone but Loki's memories of him, and ended up integral to Thor's return. Notably, he really didn't star in most of the comics, Loki taking over that title too until Thor was back.
* The new ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan, [[AffirmativeActionLegacy Miles Morales]], was initially treated like this in-universe. A number of characters such as Nick Fury and Spider Woman felt it was disrespectful of Miles to don the Spider-Man mantle after the death of Peter Parker, but he managed to win both of them over after displaying his heroism during a battle with Electro. However he still routinely deals with cops and civilians who view his actions as disrespectful to Peter's memory.
** Not like it didn't happen out of universe as well, however he's more of BaseBreakingCharacter then purely hated. Some feel he's a very good character and the only good thing the Ultimate Universe has left and other think he's Peter Parker light with nothing really interesting about him. While the character has garnered fans since his introduction, the move is still debated - [[spoiler:even after Ultimate Peter Parker's resurrection]]. And then the race thing comes up [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment but let's not get into that.]]
* Pretty much everything about the ''Comicbook/AvengersArena'' [[BrokenBase base is broken]], but a good segment loathes the new characters from the [[ComicBook/CaptainBritain Braddock Academy]] out of fear that established characters ([[spoiler:such as poor [[Comicbook/AvengersAcademy Mettle]]]]) will be killed so they can have more screentime.
* Marcus Johnson aka Nick Fury Jr. is not only hated by the fans because he is a pandering towards movie-fans, who are used to the black Nick Fury (who originated from the {{The Ultimates}}), but also because he is replacing his dad, who apparently [[PutOnABus is disappearing into the background because his youth formula isn't working anymore]].


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* Marcus Johnson aka Nick Fury Jr. is not only hated by the fans because he is a pandering towards movie-fans, who are used to the black Nick Fury (who originated from the {{The Ultimates}}), but also because he is replacing his dad, who apparently [[PutOnABus is disappearing into the background because his youth formula isn't working anymore]].


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* There are a lot of fans who hate any character in ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'' who took the spotlight after [[spoiler:Gert died]]. No one gets this more than [[GreenThumb Klara Prast]], for being the only character not created by Creator/BrianKVaughan, for not having a supervillain parent like every other member of the team, for being introduced in a story generally regarded as a BizarroEpisode, for freaking out over the team lesbians, for not having an origin for her powers, for having a punny name...
** Lampshaded, when Molly remarks that the team eventually gets used to the new recruits [[spoiler: by the time someone else dies]].
** And then there was [[ComicBook/{{Runaways2015}} the new team]] introduced in ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'', which was almost entirely unconnected to the old team and made up of alternate-reality versions of established characters like Amadeus Cho and Jubilee. Originally advertised as an ongoing series but turned out to be just a four issue mini. It's unclear if this was by design[[note]]Most SW tie-ins were advertised as ongoings even in cases where it was fairly clear from the beginning that they won't be, like ''Years of Future Past''.[[/note]] or because it became one of the lowest-selling SW tie-ins.


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* The new ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan, [[AffirmativeActionLegacy Miles Morales]], was initially treated like this in-universe. A number of characters such as Nick Fury and Spider Woman felt it was disrespectful of Miles to don the Spider-Man mantle after the death of Peter Parker, but he managed to win both of them over after displaying his heroism during a battle with Electro. However he still routinely deals with cops and civilians who view his actions as disrespectful to Peter's memory.
** Not like it didn't happen out of universe as well, however he's more of BaseBreakingCharacter then purely hated. Some feel he's a very good character and the only good thing the Ultimate Universe has left and other think he's Peter Parker light with nothing really interesting about him. While the character has garnered fans since his introduction, the move is still debated - [[spoiler:even after Ultimate Peter Parker's resurrection]]. And then the race thing comes up [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment but let's not get into that.]]
* Tanarus, the guy who's replaced [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]] after ''Comicbook/FearItself'' has got hate immediately, because he looks like a NinetiesAntiHero, his appearance and Thor's death mean that there won't be interaction between Thor and Kid!Loki for awhile, he's not using Mjolnir at all, but a weird staff with a heavy head (indicating to fans that he's not worthy to be Thor anyways, since a worthy person can lift the hammer), and for not being one of the ''many'' established people who could take over for Thor, namely Beta-Ray Bill and Thunderstrike. Oh, and the fact that when the announcement was made Thor wasn't even dead yet. Thankfully, this turned out to be wholly intentional on the writer's part, as Tanarus was revealed to be someone's impersonation of Thor who had usurped everyone but Loki's memories of him, and ended up integral to Thor's return. Notably, he really didn't star in most of the comics, Loki taking over that title too until Thor was back.
** The first and last seem to be annoying people the most, since the first is clearly so Kid!Loki will have a harder time of it without Thor to protect him and the latter is seen as being too much like the DC reboot's treatment of well-liked characters.
** In-universe, Loki loathes Taranus for this very reason. It's even worse for Loki because [[spoiler:he's the one responsible for this situation.]]
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