History ReplacementScrappy / ComicBooks

19th Jun '16 11:54:49 AM AlleyOop
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15th Jun '16 10:26:41 AM Tron80
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** Cassandra Cain, the third Batgirl was this. Not only was she a replacement for the original Batgirl Barbara Gordon, but she was also [[TheRealRemingtonSteele seemingly created just to wear the costume given up by]] the short-lived (as Batgirl) second Batgirl, Helena Bertinelli (who would then take on a permanent identity as the post-Crisis ComicBook/{{Huntress}}). Helena was intended to be temporary to begin with, but still... She was also a considerable departure from the original character, being a CuteMute CharlesAtlasSuperpower martial artist.
** The fourth Batgirl ([[ComicBook/{{Batgirl2009}} Stephanie Brown]], formerly Spoiler) has been seen as this as well, due to her being a blonde Caucasian female who replaced one of the few Asian superheroes in all of comicdom (and the only female Asian hero to maintain a long-running solo series). (Oddly enough, Cassandra and Stephanie were LesYay-riffic best friends in-universe and would probably take offense at this.) Steph would eventually win over a a number fans by being a really fun character. Though her book wasn't a smash hit (it had enough sales to be in the top hundred comics being sold, but not on par with usual Bat-books), she managed to win over a very vocal fanbase that protested heavily once she was removed from the role.
** The ComicBook/{{New 52}} relaunch, where the original Batgirl [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2011}} returned to the role]], is an interesting situation. Nobody hates Barbara ''per se'', but there is a perceived insult against Steph on DC's part, plus moving Babs away from being the InformationBroker and HandicappedBadass Oracle rubs many of her fans the wrong way as stripping her of her unique qualities. Therefore, Barbara somehow managed to end up as a Replacement Scrappy for an identity that '''she created'''.

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** Cassandra Cain, the third Batgirl was this. Not only was she a replacement for the original second Batgirl Barbara Gordon, but she was also [[TheRealRemingtonSteele seemingly created just to wear the costume given up by]] the short-lived (as Batgirl) second third Batgirl, Helena Bertinelli (who would then take on a permanent identity as the post-Crisis ComicBook/{{Huntress}}). Helena was intended to be temporary to begin with, but still... She was also a considerable departure from the original character, being a CuteMute CharlesAtlasSuperpower martial artist.
** The fourth next Batgirl ([[ComicBook/{{Batgirl2009}} Stephanie Brown]], formerly Spoiler) has been seen as this as well, due to her being a blonde Caucasian female who replaced one of the few Asian superheroes in all of comicdom (and the only female Asian hero to maintain a long-running solo series). (Oddly enough, Cassandra and Stephanie were LesYay-riffic best friends in-universe and would probably take offense at this.) Steph would eventually win over a a number fans by being a really fun character. Though her book wasn't a smash hit (it had enough sales to be in the top hundred comics being sold, but not on par with usual Bat-books), she managed to win over a very vocal fanbase that protested heavily once she was removed from the role.
** The ComicBook/{{New 52}} relaunch, where the original Batgirl [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2011}} returned to the role]], is an interesting situation. Nobody hates Barbara ''per se'', but there is a perceived insult against Steph on DC's part, plus moving Babs away from being the InformationBroker and HandicappedBadass Oracle rubs many of her fans the wrong way as stripping her of her unique qualities. Therefore, Barbara somehow managed to end up as a Replacement Scrappy for an identity that '''she created'''.
7th Jun '16 1:34:46 AM LondonKdS
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** When her book actually started, things got even worse, as some saw it as having ''very'' [[{{Anvilicious}} unsubtle and heavy-handed]] feminist messages and [[YouBastard insulting subtext]] directed at anyone who disliked the change. Then came the CharacterDerailment of several characters (including Odin and fan favorite villains Absorbing Man and Titania) to further push those messages, which pissed off much of the fanbase. The series itself has in the view of some, become a Replacement Scrappy for the CultClassic ''Journey Into Mystery'' book which starred fan favorites Lady Sif and Beta Ray Bill.

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** When her book actually started, things got even worse, as some saw it as having ''very'' [[{{Anvilicious}} unsubtle and heavy-handed]] feminist messages and [[YouBastard [[TakeThatCritics insulting subtext]] directed at anyone who disliked the change. Then came the CharacterDerailment of several characters (including Odin and fan favorite villains Absorbing Man and Titania) to further push those messages, which pissed off much of the fanbase. The series itself has in the view of some, become a Replacement Scrappy for the CultClassic ''Journey Into Mystery'' book which starred fan favorites Lady Sif and Beta Ray Bill.
6th Jun '16 2:29:54 AM LondonKdS
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* This has been the curse of more or less everyone to have used the ''ComicBook/{{Batgirl}}'' identity in DC.
** Cassandra Cain, the third Batgirl was this. Not only was she a replacement for the original Batgirl Barbara Gordon, but she was also [[TheRealRemingtonSteele seemingly created just to wear the costume given up by]] the short-lived (as Batgirl) second Batgirl, Helena Bertinelli (who would then take on a permanent identity as the post-Crisis ComicBook/{{Huntress}}). Helena was intended to be temporary to begin with, but still... She was also a considerable departure from the original character, being a CuteMute CharlesAtlasSuperpower martial artist.



*** And while we're on the subject, Cassandra Cain, the third Batgirl was this. Not only was she a replacement for the original Batgirl Barbara Gordon, but she was also [[TheRealRemingtonSteele seemingly created just to wear the costume given up by]] the second Batgirl, [[ComicBook/{{Huntress}} Helena Bertinelli]] (which was probably supposed to be temporary to begin with, but still...) She was also a considerable departure from the original character, being a CuteMute CharlesAtlasSuperpower martial artist.
*** The ComicBook/{{New 52}} relaunch, where the original Batgirl [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2011}} returned to the role]], is an interesting situation. Nobody hates Barbara ''per se'', but there is a perceived insult against Steph on DC's part, plus moving Babs away from being the InformationBroker and HandicappedBadass Oracle rubs many of her fans the wrong way as stripping her of her unique qualities. It seems apparent that DC's own [[ExecutiveMeddling higher-ups]] consider both Cassandra and Stephanie to be this trope, and [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome want nothing more to do with them]].
*** Both Stephanie and Charlotte Gage-Radcliffe (who later took on the identity of Misfit) both dealt with this from Oracle when they first attempted to take on the Batgirl mantle, with Oracle even slapping Charlie after she made a disrespectful remark about Cassandra.

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*** And while we're on the subject, Cassandra Cain, the third Batgirl was this. Not only was she a replacement for the original Batgirl Barbara Gordon, but she was also [[TheRealRemingtonSteele seemingly created just to wear the costume given up by]] the second Batgirl, [[ComicBook/{{Huntress}} Helena Bertinelli]] (which was probably supposed to be temporary to begin with, but still...) She was also a considerable departure from the original character, being a CuteMute CharlesAtlasSuperpower martial artist.
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** The ComicBook/{{New 52}} relaunch, where the original Batgirl [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl 2011}} returned to the role]], is an interesting situation. Nobody hates Barbara ''per se'', but there is a perceived insult against Steph on DC's part, plus moving Babs away from being the InformationBroker and HandicappedBadass Oracle rubs many of her fans the wrong way as stripping her of her unique qualities. Therefore, Barbara somehow managed to end up as a Replacement Scrappy for an identity that '''she created'''.
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It seems seemed apparent at the start of the reboot that DC's own [[ExecutiveMeddling higher-ups]] consider considered both Cassandra and Stephanie to be this trope, and [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome want wanted nothing more to do with them]].
them]]. While both characters reappeared eventually, neither got the prominence that their fans wanted.
*** Both Stephanie and Charlotte Gage-Radcliffe (who very briefly tried to be Batgirl and later took on the identity of Misfit) both dealt with this from Oracle when they first attempted to take on the Batgirl mantle, with Oracle even slapping Charlie after she made a disrespectful remark about Cassandra.Cassandra.
** So to boil things down, there are at least three very different characters, who would all have been much more popular with fans if DC hadn't seemed to be obsessed with pitting them against one another as the "real" owner of the identity.
26th May '16 6:09:03 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* ''ComicBook/{{Nova}}'' has Sam Alexander. Basically, Richard Rider had been the signature Nova Corpsman for nearly forty years, and he'd recently had an excellent run that concluded with a HeroicSacrifice in ''TheThanosImperative.'' The people who didn't want him back right away considered it a great conclusion to the franchise... so, of course, three years later, Jeph Loeb (one of Marvel's most widely-loathed writers) debuted a new Nova character. Sam Alexander won a lot of haters right away for his "arrogant hotheaded youth" personality, a far cry from the mature, experienced, and responsible Rider, and for his powers being completely inexplicable (the Nova Force died with Rider). He also got an immediate starring role in ''WesternAnimation/UltimateSpiderMan'', which is a ReplacementScrappy ''series'' and only dug him deeper. Gerry Dugan [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap rehabilitated Alexander to some degree]], but than when ''Original Sin'' revealed what really happened to Rider, old wounds were reopened. Now people don't hate Sam, but most still direly want Rider back anyways. Exasperating the issue is that Sam is named after Loeb's late son, meaning he probably won't be going away.

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* ''ComicBook/{{Nova}}'' has Sam Alexander. Basically, Richard Rider had been the signature Nova Corpsman for nearly forty years, and he'd recently had an excellent run that concluded with a HeroicSacrifice in ''TheThanosImperative.''ComicBook/TheThanosImperative.'' The people who didn't want him back right away considered it a great conclusion to the franchise... so, of course, three years later, Jeph Loeb (one of Marvel's most widely-loathed writers) debuted a new Nova character. Sam Alexander won a lot of haters right away for his "arrogant hotheaded youth" personality, a far cry from the mature, experienced, and responsible Rider, and for his powers being completely inexplicable (the Nova Force died with Rider). He also got an immediate starring role in ''WesternAnimation/UltimateSpiderMan'', which is a ReplacementScrappy ''series'' and only dug him deeper. Gerry Dugan [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap rehabilitated Alexander to some degree]], but than when ''Original Sin'' revealed what really happened to Rider, old wounds were reopened. Now people don't hate Sam, but most still direly want Rider back anyways. Exasperating the issue is that Sam is named after Loeb's late son, meaning he probably won't be going away.
16th May '16 3:36:09 PM KlawKalash
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** A stranger case involves the identity of the new Thor, [[spoiler: Jane Foster]]. The series blatantly teased taht she was actually [[spoiler: Roz Solomon]], and many people would have preferred they went that route, as many felt the revelation that she was [[spoiler: Jane Foster]] was a twist for the sake of a twist and for diversity reasons. This subsided with the first issue of ''The Mighty Thor'', which actually went in-depth in its portrayal of [[spoiler: Jane Foster as a cancer patient]].

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** A stranger case involves the identity of the new Thor, [[spoiler: Jane Foster]]. The series blatantly teased taht that she was actually [[spoiler: Roz Solomon]], and many people would have preferred they went that route, as many felt the revelation that she was [[spoiler: Jane Foster]] was a twist for the sake of a twist and for diversity reasons. This subsided with the first issue of ''The Mighty Thor'', which actually went in-depth in its portrayal of [[spoiler: Jane Foster as a cancer patient]].
16th May '16 3:18:49 PM KlawKalash
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** Not like it didn't happen out of universe as well, however he's more of BaseBreaker then purely hated. Some feel he's a very good character and the only good thing the Ultimate Universe has left and other think he's Peter Parker light with nothing really interesting about him. While the character has garnered fans since his introduction, the move is still debated - [[spoiler:even after Ultimate Peter Parker's resurrection]]. and then the race thing comes up [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment but let's not get into that]]

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** Not like it didn't happen out of universe as well, however he's more of BaseBreaker then purely hated. Some feel he's a very good character and the only good thing the Ultimate Universe has left and other think he's Peter Parker light with nothing really interesting about him. While the character has garnered fans since his introduction, the move is still debated - [[spoiler:even after Ultimate Peter Parker's resurrection]]. and And then the race thing comes up [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment but let's not get into that]]that.]]
16th May '16 3:17:49 PM KlawKalash
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** Thankfully, this turned out to be wholly intentional on the writer's part, as Tanarus was revealed to be someone impersonation Thor who had usurped everyone but Loki's memories of him, and ended up integral to Thor's return. Notably, he really didn't star in most of the comics, Loki taking over that title too until Thor was back.

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** Thankfully, this turned out to be wholly intentional on the writer's part, as Tanarus was revealed to be someone someone's impersonation of Thor who had usurped everyone but Loki's memories of him, and ended up integral to Thor's return. Notably, he really didn't star in most of the comics, Loki taking over that title too until Thor was back.
16th May '16 3:15:31 PM KlawKalash
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* Tanarus, the guy who's replaced [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]] after ''Comicbook/FearItself'' is got hate immediately, because he looks like a NinetiesAntiHero, his appearance and Thor's death mean that there won't be interaction between Thor and Kid!Loki for awhile, he's not using Mjolnir at all, but a weird staff with a heavy head (indicating to fans that he's not worthy to be Thor anyways, since a worthy person can lift the hammer), and for not being one of the ''many'' established people who could take over for Thor, namely Beta-Ray Bill and Thunderstrike. Oh, and the fact that when the announcement was made Thor wasn't even dead yet.

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* Tanarus, the guy who's replaced [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]] after ''Comicbook/FearItself'' is has got hate immediately, because he looks like a NinetiesAntiHero, his appearance and Thor's death mean that there won't be interaction between Thor and Kid!Loki for awhile, he's not using Mjolnir at all, but a weird staff with a heavy head (indicating to fans that he's not worthy to be Thor anyways, since a worthy person can lift the hammer), and for not being one of the ''many'' established people who could take over for Thor, namely Beta-Ray Bill and Thunderstrike. Oh, and the fact that when the announcement was made Thor wasn't even dead yet.
16th May '16 2:55:00 PM KlawKalash
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** Like with the Bucky example above, averted entirely when Dick Grayson became Batman. The decision for both Bruce and Dick to act as Batman simultaneously is seen s a welcome third option. Some fans really didn't want him returning to his role of Nightwing.

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** Like with the Bucky example above, averted entirely when Dick Grayson became Batman. The decision for both Bruce and Dick to act as Batman simultaneously is seen s as a welcome third option. Some fans really didn't want him returning to his role of Nightwing.
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