History ReplacementScrappy / ComicBooks

30th Jul '16 5:21:01 AM KamenRiderKrypton
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** Jason Rusch (ComicBook/{{Firestorm}}) for Ronnie Raymond, since Ronnie was unceremoniously killed off to make way for Rusch. The New 52 continuity not only retconned the death of Ronnie Raymond (the first Firestorm who was killed to make way for Jason) but now made it possible for both he and Jason to become Firestorm at the same time, alleviating some of the tension between the characters' respective fanbases.

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** * Jason Rusch (ComicBook/{{Firestorm}}) for Ronnie Raymond, since Ronnie was unceremoniously killed off to make way for Rusch. The New 52 continuity not only retconned the death of Ronnie Raymond (the first Firestorm who was killed to make way for Jason) but now made it possible for both he and Jason to become Firestorm at the same time, alleviating some of the tension between the characters' respective fanbases.
30th Jul '16 5:19:01 AM KamenRiderKrypton
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** When Creator/ChrisClaremont returned to the X-Men in the early 2000s, he created a number of new antagonists for them to fight, such as the Neo, the Shockwave Riders, Vargas, the disembodied telepath Elias Bogan, and a mutant slavery ring led by an alien named Tullamore Voge. None of these characters were particularly well-received, and most of them got a good deal of unnecessary CharacterShilling comparing them favorably to the established villains - Apocalypse considered the Shockwave Riders {{Worthy Opponent}}s, Bogan was said to be the ultimate head of the Hellfire Club despite never being mentioned before, and so on. It's probably telling that any time a writer other than Claremont has used one of these characters, they're shown being defeated in an amusingly undignified way, and ultimately most of them ended up as cannon fodder for {{Bat Family Crossover}}s.



** When Creator/ChrisClaremont returned to the X-Men in the early 2000s, he created a number of new antagonists for them to fight, such as the Neo, the Shockwave Riders, Vargas, the disembodied telepath Elias Bogan, and a mutant slavery ring led by an alien named Tullamore Voge. None of these characters were particularly well-received, and most of them got a good deal of unnecessary CharacterShilling comparing them favorably to the established villains - Apocalypse considered the Shockwave Riders {{Worthy Opponent}}s, Bogan was said to be the ultimate head of the Hellfire Club despite never being mentioned before, and so on. It's probably telling that any time a writer other than Claremont has used one of these characters, they're shown being defeated in an amusingly undignified way, and ultimately most of them ended up as cannon fodder for {{Bat Family Crossover}}s.
28th Jul '16 10:05:43 AM KamenRiderKrypton
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** Damian Wayne (Robin IV) for Tim Drake (Robin III). When Damian was introduced, he did some very bad stuff, like beheading a B-list villain and almost killing Tim. While Bruce didn't approve, many people feel he got off too lightly just because he's Bruce's biological son. He didn't officially take up the identity of Robin until after the "death" of Bruce Wayne, when Dick Grayson unceremoniously fired Tim from the role to allow for Damian. Tim would go on to be called Red Robin, a name not liked by many of his fans, and don two ugly-ass costumes. Tim was restricted to his solo series, which was considered pretty mediocre and furthered his "Batman Jr." {{Flanderization}}, while Damian got to appear in multiple well-received series. While this Rescued Damian from the Scrappy Heap, it also caused some resentment from Tim fans. Later on, after the New 52, Tim would only regularly appear in the much loathed ''Teen Titans'' ongoing, while Damian was featured in ''Batman and Robin'', where he got away with more things no other Robin could get away with. However that series is still incredibly well-liked, as is Damian as a whole, especially for his relationships with BRuce and Dick. Basically, many Tim Drake fans still hate Damian for getting such a large push from DC at Tim's expense, up to and including tim's place in the Batfamily.

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** Damian Wayne (Robin IV) for Tim Drake (Robin III). When Damian was introduced, he did some very bad stuff, like beheading a B-list villain and almost killing Tim. While Bruce didn't approve, many people feel he got off too lightly just because he's Bruce's biological son. He didn't officially take up the identity of Robin until after the "death" of Bruce Wayne, when Dick Grayson unceremoniously fired Tim from the role to allow for Damian. Tim would go on to be called Red Robin, a name not liked by many of his fans, and don two ugly-ass costumes. Tim was restricted to his solo series, which was considered pretty mediocre and furthered his "Batman Jr." {{Flanderization}}, while Damian got to appear in multiple well-received series. While this Rescued Damian from the Scrappy Heap, it also caused some resentment from Tim fans. Later on, after the New 52, Tim would only regularly appear in the much loathed ''Teen Titans'' ongoing, while Damian was featured in ''Batman and Robin'', where he got away with more things no other Robin could get away with. However that series is still incredibly well-liked, as is Damian as a whole, especially for his relationships with BRuce Bruce and Dick. Basically, many Tim Drake fans still hate Damian for getting such a large push from DC at Tim's expense, up to and including tim's place in the Batfamily.
27th Jul '16 5:37:24 AM XSpectreGreyX
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* There are a lot of fans who hate any character in ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'' who took the spotlight after [[spoiler:Gert died]]. No one gets this more than [[GreenThumb Klara Prast]], for being the only character not created by Creator/BrianKVaughan, for not having a supervillain parent like every other member of the team, for being introduced in a story generally regarded as a BizarroEpisode, for freaking out over the team lesbians, for not having an origin for her powers, for having a punny name...
** Lampshaded, when Molly remarks that the team eventually gets used to the new recruits [[spoiler: by the time someone else dies]].
** And then there was [[ComicBook/{{Runaways2015}} the new team]] introduced in ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'', which was almost entirely unconnected to the old team and made up of alternate-reality versions of established characters like Amadeus Cho and Jubilee. Originally advertised as an ongoing series but turned out to be just a four issue mini. It's unclear if this was by design[[note]]Most SW tie-ins were advertised as ongoings even in cases where it was fairly clear from the beginning that they won't be, like ''Years of Future Past''.[[/note]] or because it became one of the lowest-selling SW tie-ins.

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* There are a lot of fans who hate any character in ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'' who took Pretty much everything about the spotlight after [[spoiler:Gert died]]. No one gets this more than [[GreenThumb Klara Prast]], for being the only character not created by Creator/BrianKVaughan, for not having ''Comicbook/AvengersArena'' [[BrokenBase base is broken]], but a supervillain parent like every other member of the team, for being introduced in a story generally regarded as a BizarroEpisode, for freaking out over the team lesbians, for not having an origin for her powers, for having a punny name...
** Lampshaded, when Molly remarks that the team eventually gets used to
good segment loathes the new recruits [[spoiler: by characters from the time someone else dies]].
** And then there was [[ComicBook/{{Runaways2015}} the new team]] introduced in ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'', which was almost entirely unconnected to the old team and made up
[[ComicBook/CaptainBritain Braddock Academy]] out of alternate-reality versions of fear that established characters like Amadeus Cho and Jubilee. Originally advertised ([[spoiler:such as an ongoing series but turned out to poor [[Comicbook/AvengersAcademy Mettle]]]]) will be just a four issue mini. It's unclear if this was by design[[note]]Most SW tie-ins were advertised as ongoings even in cases where it was fairly clear from the beginning that killed so they won't be, like ''Years of Future Past''.[[/note]] or because it became one of the lowest-selling SW tie-ins.can have more screentime.



* Tanarus, the guy who's replaced [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]] after ''Comicbook/FearItself'' has got hate immediately, because he looks like a NinetiesAntiHero, his appearance and Thor's death mean that there won't be interaction between Thor and Kid!Loki for awhile, he's not using Mjolnir at all, but a weird staff with a heavy head (indicating to fans that he's not worthy to be Thor anyways, since a worthy person can lift the hammer), and for not being one of the ''many'' established people who could take over for Thor, namely Beta-Ray Bill and Thunderstrike. Oh, and the fact that when the announcement was made Thor wasn't even dead yet.
** The first and last seem to be annoying people the most, since the first is clearly so Kid!Loki will have a harder time of it without Thor to protect him and the latter is seen as being too much like the DC reboot's treatment of well-liked characters.
** In-universe, Loki loathes Taranus for this very reason. It's even worse for Loki because [[spoiler:he's the one responsible for this situation.]]
** Thankfully, this turned out to be wholly intentional on the writer's part, as Tanarus was revealed to be someone's impersonation of Thor who had usurped everyone but Loki's memories of him, and ended up integral to Thor's return. Notably, he really didn't star in most of the comics, Loki taking over that title too until Thor was back.
* The new ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan, [[AffirmativeActionLegacy Miles Morales]], was initially treated like this in-universe. A number of characters such as Nick Fury and Spider Woman felt it was disrespectful of Miles to don the Spider-Man mantle after the death of Peter Parker, but he managed to win both of them over after displaying his heroism during a battle with Electro. However he still routinely deals with cops and civilians who view his actions as disrespectful to Peter's memory.
** Not like it didn't happen out of universe as well, however he's more of BaseBreakingCharacter then purely hated. Some feel he's a very good character and the only good thing the Ultimate Universe has left and other think he's Peter Parker light with nothing really interesting about him. While the character has garnered fans since his introduction, the move is still debated - [[spoiler:even after Ultimate Peter Parker's resurrection]]. And then the race thing comes up [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment but let's not get into that.]]
* Pretty much everything about the ''Comicbook/AvengersArena'' [[BrokenBase base is broken]], but a good segment loathes the new characters from the [[ComicBook/CaptainBritain Braddock Academy]] out of fear that established characters ([[spoiler:such as poor [[Comicbook/AvengersAcademy Mettle]]]]) will be killed so they can have more screentime.
* Marcus Johnson aka Nick Fury Jr. is not only hated by the fans because he is a pandering towards movie-fans, who are used to the black Nick Fury (who originated from the {{The Ultimates}}), but also because he is replacing his dad, who apparently [[PutOnABus is disappearing into the background because his youth formula isn't working anymore]].


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* Marcus Johnson aka Nick Fury Jr. is not only hated by the fans because he is a pandering towards movie-fans, who are used to the black Nick Fury (who originated from the {{The Ultimates}}), but also because he is replacing his dad, who apparently [[PutOnABus is disappearing into the background because his youth formula isn't working anymore]].


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* There are a lot of fans who hate any character in ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'' who took the spotlight after [[spoiler:Gert died]]. No one gets this more than [[GreenThumb Klara Prast]], for being the only character not created by Creator/BrianKVaughan, for not having a supervillain parent like every other member of the team, for being introduced in a story generally regarded as a BizarroEpisode, for freaking out over the team lesbians, for not having an origin for her powers, for having a punny name...
** Lampshaded, when Molly remarks that the team eventually gets used to the new recruits [[spoiler: by the time someone else dies]].
** And then there was [[ComicBook/{{Runaways2015}} the new team]] introduced in ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'', which was almost entirely unconnected to the old team and made up of alternate-reality versions of established characters like Amadeus Cho and Jubilee. Originally advertised as an ongoing series but turned out to be just a four issue mini. It's unclear if this was by design[[note]]Most SW tie-ins were advertised as ongoings even in cases where it was fairly clear from the beginning that they won't be, like ''Years of Future Past''.[[/note]] or because it became one of the lowest-selling SW tie-ins.


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* The new ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan, [[AffirmativeActionLegacy Miles Morales]], was initially treated like this in-universe. A number of characters such as Nick Fury and Spider Woman felt it was disrespectful of Miles to don the Spider-Man mantle after the death of Peter Parker, but he managed to win both of them over after displaying his heroism during a battle with Electro. However he still routinely deals with cops and civilians who view his actions as disrespectful to Peter's memory.
** Not like it didn't happen out of universe as well, however he's more of BaseBreakingCharacter then purely hated. Some feel he's a very good character and the only good thing the Ultimate Universe has left and other think he's Peter Parker light with nothing really interesting about him. While the character has garnered fans since his introduction, the move is still debated - [[spoiler:even after Ultimate Peter Parker's resurrection]]. And then the race thing comes up [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment but let's not get into that.]]
* Tanarus, the guy who's replaced [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]] after ''Comicbook/FearItself'' has got hate immediately, because he looks like a NinetiesAntiHero, his appearance and Thor's death mean that there won't be interaction between Thor and Kid!Loki for awhile, he's not using Mjolnir at all, but a weird staff with a heavy head (indicating to fans that he's not worthy to be Thor anyways, since a worthy person can lift the hammer), and for not being one of the ''many'' established people who could take over for Thor, namely Beta-Ray Bill and Thunderstrike. Oh, and the fact that when the announcement was made Thor wasn't even dead yet. Thankfully, this turned out to be wholly intentional on the writer's part, as Tanarus was revealed to be someone's impersonation of Thor who had usurped everyone but Loki's memories of him, and ended up integral to Thor's return. Notably, he really didn't star in most of the comics, Loki taking over that title too until Thor was back.
** The first and last seem to be annoying people the most, since the first is clearly so Kid!Loki will have a harder time of it without Thor to protect him and the latter is seen as being too much like the DC reboot's treatment of well-liked characters.
** In-universe, Loki loathes Taranus for this very reason. It's even worse for Loki because [[spoiler:he's the one responsible for this situation.]]
27th Jul '16 2:17:50 AM XSpectreGreyX
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* ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'':
** Poor [[CloningBlues Ben Reilly]] who was disliked because of the revelation that he was the "real Peter Parker" and that the Peter fans had been reading for twenty years was really a clone. After the huge fan outrage Marvel quickly backtracked and reversed that decision.
** Kaine, another Spider-Man clone, was a less explicit form of this trope. He wasn't really a replacement villain for an old one, but his [[DroppedABridgeOnHim Bridge Drop]] of Doc Ock solidified him in fans minds as an unwanted loser who was [[{{Metaphorgotten}} biting off more than he deserved to chew]] in casually offing a beloved, classic Spidey villain with decades of continuity to back him up, and prompted cries for Doc Ock's resurrection and Kaine's axing. Basically, Kaine managed to become a ReplacementScrappy for a character whose role he wasn't even taking over. Thankfully, Dr. Octopus was later resurrected, and Kaine performed a HeelFaceTurn, [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap saving him from the scrappy heap]].
** After the ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' storyline broke up the Parkers' marriage, ''anyone'' Peter dated would have gotten heat for not being Mary Jane. But the replacement we got was Carlie Cooper, a RelationshipSue named after editor JoeQuesada's daughter. Mary Jane has become a ShipperOnDeck for the pairing, [[CreatorsPet and so has everyone else]]. Reactions have been negative, to say the least.
*** Also, as pointed out in the Spider-Man WildMassGuessing page, all of her [[InformedAttribute Informed Attributes]] ''come from other love interests'' like Mary Jane, Black Cat, and Deb Whitman. Now people are hoping she'll "be like Gwen Stacy" and die.
*** Following the events of ComicBook/SpiderIsland, Peter and Carlie broke up. However, Carlie is not completely out of the picture and remains friends with Mary Jane, as well as serving as Spidey's occasional ally on the police force.
*** Carlie's successor as love interest is new character Cindy Moon, alias the heroine Silk and ''also'' a ReplacementScrappy. She is commonly criticized as having CommonMarySueTraits, such as having Peter's exact power set, but superior in every aspect but physical strength, and being the star pupil of Ezekiel Sims [[RememberTheNewGuy who was never mentioned in any of his previous appearances]]. Adding to this, there are many fans who dislike the idea of Peter dating a fellow superhuman at all.
** Any Hobgoblin that isn't [[FirstInstallmentWins the original]], Roderick Kingsley. Kingsley is a fan favorite for his [[MagnificentBastard brilliance]], [[FauxAffablyEvil likability]], and high success rate. The others? Not so much:
*** Jason Macendale was an unlikable, one-note BloodKnight and former C-Lister who was almost offensively [[HarmlessVillain incompetent]]. The original Hobgoblin was a powerful mastermind feared by all; Macendale was so pathetic that even ''the writers'' came to hate him. He was killed off and occasionally gets mentioned again, but ''never'' with kindness.
*** Phil Urich was seen as only slightly less of a loser. He had a better success rate, but his motive (trying to impress a girl who was blatantly uninterested) was a complete joke and he only got the identity by cheapshotting the original and stealing the gear. It was revealed that the original Hobgoblin was alive and well, and a major storyline had him confront and utterly trounce the pretender.
** Doctor Octopus has become a ''major'' one among fans after a recent arc concluded with him [[FreakyFridayFlip taking over Peter's body]] and becoming the new Spider-man, while Peter [[KilledOffForReal dies in his]], leading up to the new series ''Comicbook/SuperiorSpiderMan''. This cooled off considerably once it was revealed that [[spoiler:''both'' their minds were in Peter's body... only to flare up again when Otto erased Peter from his mind and took full control.]]
*** Toward the end of the series WordOfGod from Dan Slott revealed that [[spoiler: this was wholly intentional; the point of the storyline was to demonstrate how fans take Peter for granted by replacing him with the worst possible substitute. It is ''Peter'', not Otto, who is the "Superior Spider-Man" of the title, as admitted by Otto before he [[RedemptionEqualsDeath voluntarily erases himself]] and gives Peter full control once more]]. The storyline still has some haters, though, mostly due to ArcFatigue, with some fans feeling everything the series accomplished could've been done in a single arc.
** During Creator/KevinSmith's run on ''ComicBook/{{Daredevil}}'', Quentin Beck, the original Mysterio, committed suicide. Some years later, when Smith got the opportunity to write a Spider-Man story, he gave the Mysterio costume to an original creation, Francis Klum, who Smith tried to play up as a misunderstood victim who was pushed into villainy after Spider-Man beats him so badly that he's left permanently disfigured. He was so poorly received that Marvel ended up bringing Quentin Beck back from the dead and having Klum implicitly killed off.



* This was the reaction when Mac Gargan (formerly the Scorpion) took over the identity of {{ComicBook/Venom}} from Eddie Brock. Not only was he the antithesis of everything Brock stood for (didn't bother protecting innocents, gave in to the symbiote's violent urges rather than controlling them, was completely selfish) but him getting the symbiote was just a blatant poor attempt to end the massive VillainDecay Gargan had gone through as Scorpion. However in the words of one reviewer; "a loser in a Venom suit is still a fucking loser". Nobody liked it and he ended up losing the symbiote after ''Dark Reign'' and ''Siege''. Thankfully averted with Flash Thompson as Venom. Many consider him to be a great character in his own right and he's become a big fan-favorite.


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* ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'':
** Poor [[CloningBlues Ben Reilly]] who was disliked because of the revelation that he was the "real Peter Parker" and that the Peter fans had been reading for twenty years was really a clone. After the huge fan outrage Marvel quickly backtracked and reversed that decision.
** Kaine, another Spider-Man clone, was a less explicit form of this trope. He wasn't really a replacement villain for an old one, but his [[DroppedABridgeOnHim Bridge Drop]] of Doc Ock solidified him in fans minds as an unwanted loser who was [[{{Metaphorgotten}} biting off more than he deserved to chew]] in casually offing a beloved, classic Spidey villain with decades of continuity to back him up, and prompted cries for Doc Ock's resurrection and Kaine's axing. Basically, Kaine managed to become a ReplacementScrappy for a character whose role he wasn't even taking over. Thankfully, Dr. Octopus was later resurrected, and Kaine performed a HeelFaceTurn, [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap saving him from the scrappy heap]].
** After the ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' storyline broke up the Parkers' marriage, ''anyone'' Peter dated would have gotten heat for not being Mary Jane. But the replacement we got was Carlie Cooper, a RelationshipSue named after editor JoeQuesada's daughter. Mary Jane has become a ShipperOnDeck for the pairing, [[CreatorsPet and so has everyone else]]. Reactions have been negative, to say the least.
*** Also, as pointed out in the Spider-Man WildMassGuessing page, all of her [[InformedAttribute Informed Attributes]] ''come from other love interests'' like Mary Jane, Black Cat, and Deb Whitman. Now people are hoping she'll "be like Gwen Stacy" and die.
*** Following the events of ComicBook/SpiderIsland, Peter and Carlie broke up. However, Carlie is not completely out of the picture and remains friends with Mary Jane, as well as serving as Spidey's occasional ally on the police force.
*** Carlie's successor as love interest is new character Cindy Moon, alias the heroine Silk and ''also'' a ReplacementScrappy. She is commonly criticized as having CommonMarySueTraits, such as having Peter's exact power set, but superior in every aspect but physical strength, and being the star pupil of Ezekiel Sims [[RememberTheNewGuy who was never mentioned in any of his previous appearances]]. Adding to this, there are many fans who dislike the idea of Peter dating a fellow superhuman at all.
** Any Hobgoblin that isn't [[FirstInstallmentWins the original]], Roderick Kingsley. Kingsley is a fan favorite for his [[MagnificentBastard brilliance]], [[FauxAffablyEvil likability]], and high success rate. The others? Not so much:
*** Jason Macendale was an unlikable, one-note BloodKnight and former C-Lister who was almost offensively [[HarmlessVillain incompetent]]. The original Hobgoblin was a powerful mastermind feared by all; Macendale was so pathetic that even ''the writers'' came to hate him. He was killed off and occasionally gets mentioned again, but ''never'' with kindness.
*** Phil Urich was seen as only slightly less of a loser. He had a better success rate, but his motive (trying to impress a girl who was blatantly uninterested) was a complete joke and he only got the identity by cheapshotting the original and stealing the gear. It was revealed that the original Hobgoblin was alive and well, and a major storyline had him confront and utterly trounce the pretender.
** Doctor Octopus has become a ''major'' one among fans after a recent arc concluded with him [[FreakyFridayFlip taking over Peter's body]] and becoming the new Spider-man, while Peter [[KilledOffForReal dies in his]], leading up to the new series ''Comicbook/SuperiorSpiderMan''. This cooled off considerably once it was revealed that [[spoiler:''both'' their minds were in Peter's body... only to flare up again when Otto erased Peter from his mind and took full control.]]
*** Toward the end of the series WordOfGod from Dan Slott revealed that [[spoiler: this was wholly intentional; the point of the storyline was to demonstrate how fans take Peter for granted by replacing him with the worst possible substitute. It is ''Peter'', not Otto, who is the "Superior Spider-Man" of the title, as admitted by Otto before he [[RedemptionEqualsDeath voluntarily erases himself]] and gives Peter full control once more]]. The storyline still has some haters, though, mostly due to ArcFatigue, with some fans feeling everything the series accomplished could've been done in a single arc.
** During Creator/KevinSmith's run on ''ComicBook/{{Daredevil}}'', Quentin Beck, the original Mysterio, committed suicide. Some years later, when Smith got the opportunity to write a Spider-Man story, he gave the Mysterio costume to an original creation, Francis Klum, who Smith tried to play up as a misunderstood victim who was pushed into villainy after Spider-Man beats him so badly that he's left permanently disfigured. He was so poorly received that Marvel ended up bringing Quentin Beck back from the dead and having Klum implicitly killed off.
** This was the reaction when Mac Gargan (formerly the Scorpion) took over the identity of {{ComicBook/Venom}} from Eddie Brock. Not only was he the antithesis of everything Brock stood for (didn't bother protecting innocents, gave in to the symbiote's violent urges rather than controlling them, was completely selfish) but him getting the symbiote was just a blatant poor attempt to end the massive VillainDecay Gargan had gone through as Scorpion. However in the words of one reviewer; "a loser in a Venom suit is still a fucking loser". Nobody liked it and he ended up losing the symbiote after ''Dark Reign'' and ''Siege''. Thankfully averted with Flash Thompson as Venom. Many consider him to be a great character in his own right and he's become a big fan-favorite.
27th Jul '16 2:16:08 AM XSpectreGreyX
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** Damian Wayne (Robin IV) for Tim Drake (Robin III). When Damian was introduced, he did some very bad stuff, like beheading a B-list villain and almost killing Tim. While Bruce didn't approve, many people feel he got off too lightly because he's Bruce's biological son. He didn't officially take up the identity of Robin until after the "death" of Bruce Wayne, when Dick Grayson unceremoniously fired Tim from the role. Tim would go on to be called Red Robin, a name not liked by many of his fans. He'd have mediocre stories while Damian got to be in more and more, well-received series. While this Rescued Damian from the Scrappy Heap, it also caused some resentment from Tim fans. Many still hate Damian for getting sucha large push from DC at Tim's expense.

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** Damian Wayne (Robin IV) for Tim Drake (Robin III). When Damian was introduced, he did some very bad stuff, like beheading a B-list villain and almost killing Tim. While Bruce didn't approve, many people feel he got off too lightly just because he's Bruce's biological son. He didn't officially take up the identity of Robin until after the "death" of Bruce Wayne, when Dick Grayson unceremoniously fired Tim from the role. role to allow for Damian. Tim would go on to be called Red Robin, a name not liked by many of his fans. He'd have fans, and don two ugly-ass costumes. Tim was restricted to his solo series, which was considered pretty mediocre stories and furthered his "Batman Jr." {{Flanderization}}, while Damian got to be appear in more and more, multiple well-received series. While this Rescued Damian from the Scrappy Heap, it also caused some resentment from Tim fans. Many Later on, after the New 52, Tim would only regularly appear in the much loathed ''Teen Titans'' ongoing, while Damian was featured in ''Batman and Robin'', where he got away with more things no other Robin could get away with. However that series is still incredibly well-liked, as is Damian as a whole, especially for his relationships with BRuce and Dick. Basically, many Tim Drake fans still hate Damian for getting sucha such a large push from DC at Tim's expense.expense, up to and including tim's place in the Batfamily.



* From ComicBook/MarvelNow2016, Riri Williams, the new Iron Man. The majority of fans hate her because she's barely had any appearances, yet is the new Iron Man over other well-established characters. Others hate her because the name is Iron ''Man'', so it's clear she's a publicity stunt. And ''others'' hate her because she's [[CharacterShilling said to be better than Tony]], which a lot of people think is contrived. Basically this trope combined with lots of CreatorsPet.



* From ComicBook/MarvelNow2016, Riri Williams, the new Iron Man. The majority of fans hate her because she's barely had any appearances, yet is the new Iron Man over other well-established characters. Others hate her because the name is Iron ''Man'', so it's clear she's a publicity stunt. And ''others'' hate her because she's [[CharacterShilling said to be better than Tony]], which a lot of people think is contrived. Basically this trope combined with lots of CreatorsPet.
27th Jul '16 2:09:31 AM XSpectreGreyX
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* Worth mentioning is Jason Todd as the second ''Robin''. Originally a carbon-copy of Robin I, Dick Grayson, he was [[CosmicRetcon ret-conned]] into having a [[StreetUrchin street urchin]] origin and no longer having Dick's approval. This led to the second Robin becoming so controversial that DC had a ''call-in vote'' to see if fans wanted Jason to [[ADeathInTheFamily die a gruesome death at the hands of the Joker.]] Ultimately, Jason's hatedom won by a narrow margin, and Jason Todd was [[DeadSidekick dead]] for two decades.
* Consider ''ComicBook/GreenLantern''. Stories featuring Hal Jordan, one of the longest-running and most respected heroes in ''Franchise/TheDCU'', just weren't selling that well, and [[ExecutiveMeddling it was decided that a fresher look at the character was needed]] rather than just switching Jordan out for backup Lanterns Guy Gardner or John Stewart. So [[DroppedABridgeOnHim a bridge was dropped on Hal Jordan]] in a way [[DyingToBeReplaced that was not only stupid]], but was [[FaceHeelTurn demeaning to the character and his long history as a hero]] (he eventually got a HeroicSacrifice a few years later). Not only that, but the entire [[TheChosenMany Green Lantern Corps]] was brought down as well. Thus his replacement, Kyle Rayner, wasn't just a ReplacementScrappy for Hal Jordan, but for the entire corps. Cut to almost 20 years later, and not only have the overwhelming majority of ''ComicBook/GreenLantern'' fans come around to liking the character (mostly because of Creator/GrantMorrison's deft handling of the character), but in addition, an entire generation of fans had arisen ''after'' Hal Jordan's removal were. These new fans, as can be expected, had very little knowledge of Hal Jordan and his legacy as a Green Lantern, and even more appropriately shouldn't have been expected to even care. So when the old guard hold-out fans of Hal Jordan [[RunningTheAsylum gained control of the title]] and decreed that ''their'' hero would return and the "unwanted interloper", Kyle Rayner, would be reduced to a supporting role, naturally some of them didn't take it very well.
* Happened to ComicBook/{{Nightwing}} in JLA-Task Force. He wasn't loathed by the fans, he was loathed by his team members in canon.
* During Creator/GrantMorrison's JLA run Huntress is that to Batman (she was brought in as a last second replacement for [[ComicBook/GreenArrow Connor Hawke]]). He eventually kicks her out after her continued disregard for rules leads to her almost executing a defeated villain.
* And since we brought him up, this happened to ComicBook/GreenArrow Connor Hawke. Even though fans had warmed up to him, many writers would treat him poorly as he wasn't Ollie. For example, he was given a disease that prevented him from holding a bow again, something that seemed to even irritate people who weren't fans of the character. With the New 52, he and a bunch of Legacy Characters that apparently weren't "iconic" enough were relegated to Earth 2. In that universe, there doesn't seem to have ever been an Arrow family of characters, and Connor is the only one, and goes by Red Arrow, Roy Harper's old name from his Justice League days.
* [[ComicBook/{{Hawkman}} Hawkgirl]] Kendra Saunders is an interesting case. Fans generally seemed to accept her and didn't mind so much that she wasn't truly Shiera. They had the same soul, after all. However quite a good number of fans were pissed when Kendra was killed off in ''Blackest Night'' and Sheira was brought back in ''Brightest Day'', and Kendra was set up as the Hawkgirl of Comicbook/{{Earth 2}} in the New 52.
* ComicBook/TheSandman: When [[spoiler:Daniel replaces Morpheus near the end]], this reaction is inevitable and instinctive for readers and characters alike. [[spoiler:The shock is gently muted as the final arc deals with the other characters - notably the raven, Matthew - coming to terms with the replacement. This openness, combined with Daniel's dignified humility and the knowledge that he had been carefully hand-picked by his predecessor,]] helps the reader to accept him.
** It probably helps that the series ends at this point, [[spoiler:since one of Daniel's ''positive'' qualities is the absence of some of the original character's [[TrueArtIsAngsty inner turmoil]]. He is an easier character to like, and we never really see him in action enough to compare how he drives the plot.]]
** It's much easier to accept if you came to the series after its completion and know that it is essentially about [[spoiler:the downfall of Morpheus.]]
* ComicBook/TheFlash has had issues with this very similar to GreenLantern mentioned above. At the end of ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'', Barry Allen made a HeroicSacrifice, and Wally West, then the [[KidSidekick Kid Flash]], became the Flash. Wally was not well received at first, whether due to his being young, a {{Jerkass}}, or the fact that he was less powerful (he lost a lot of his speed during the Crisis and didn't get it back for years.) While Wally grew into the role and gained acceptance, Barry kept appearing in one-off stories set in the past, time travel stories and one notable "fake out" event as well as a short lived TV series keeping his fandom alive. When Barry came back after 24 years of being dead, fans are split.
** But when Bart Allen had his turn as TheFlash, fans were much more in agreement about their loathing of the character due partly to the {{Wangst}}, partly due to his being [[PlotRelevantAgeUp artificially aged]] to shoehorn him into the role, but mostly because the character lost his FunPersonified sense of humor and cheerful demeanor.
*** Barry is getting this more now than ever since in the ComicBook/{{New 52}} Wally was not only never Flash, but never even Kid Flash. For years, he didn't even ''exist'', and the role of the first Kid Flash was given to the second Kid Flash Bart Allen. Even fans that don't like Wally seem to feel that this was a low blow to his fanbase.
* Many people dislike Jason Rusch (ComicBook/{{Firestorm}}), and Ryan Choi (ComicBook/TheAtom) due to the killing off or running off of their predecessors. However, when Ryan Choi was ignominiously killed off, people had gotten over that he wasn't Ray Palmer, and now viewed Ray as this. After a pretty massive racial controversy that got coverage on some non-comic sites, DC retconned Ryan's death during the ''ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}'' series and now he is the sole Atom in the ComicBook/{{New 52}} continuity, with Ray being regulated to a scientific adviser for the S.H.A.D.E. organization.

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* Worth mentioning is Jason Todd as the second ''Robin''. Originally a carbon-copy of Robin I, Dick Grayson, he was [[CosmicRetcon ret-conned]] into having a [[StreetUrchin street urchin]] origin and no longer having Dick's approval. This led to the second Robin becoming so controversial that DC had a ''call-in vote'' to see if fans wanted Jason to [[ADeathInTheFamily die a gruesome death at the hands of the Joker.]] Ultimately, Jason's hatedom won by a narrow margin, and Jason Todd was [[DeadSidekick dead]] for two decades.
* Consider ''ComicBook/GreenLantern''. Stories featuring Hal Jordan, one of the longest-running and most respected heroes in ''Franchise/TheDCU'', just weren't selling that well, and [[ExecutiveMeddling it was decided that a fresher look at the character was needed]] rather than just switching Jordan out for backup Lanterns Guy Gardner or John Stewart. So [[DroppedABridgeOnHim a bridge was dropped on Hal Jordan]] in a way [[DyingToBeReplaced that was not only stupid]], but was [[FaceHeelTurn demeaning to the character and his long history as a hero]] (he eventually got a HeroicSacrifice a few years later). Not only that, but the entire [[TheChosenMany Green Lantern Corps]] was brought down as well. Thus his replacement, Kyle Rayner, wasn't just a ReplacementScrappy for Hal Jordan, but for the entire corps. Cut to almost 20 years later, and not only have the overwhelming majority of ''ComicBook/GreenLantern'' fans come around to liking the character (mostly because of Creator/GrantMorrison's deft handling of the character), but in addition, an entire generation of fans had arisen ''after'' Hal Jordan's removal were. These new fans, as can be expected, had very little knowledge of Hal Jordan and his legacy as a Green Lantern, and even more appropriately shouldn't have been expected to even care. So when the old guard hold-out fans of Hal Jordan [[RunningTheAsylum gained control of the title]] and decreed that ''their'' hero would return and the "unwanted interloper", Kyle Rayner, would be reduced to a supporting role, naturally some of them didn't take it very well.
* Happened to ComicBook/{{Nightwing}} in JLA-Task Force. He wasn't loathed by the fans, he was loathed by his team members in canon.
* During Creator/GrantMorrison's JLA run Huntress is that to Batman (she was brought in as a last second replacement for [[ComicBook/GreenArrow Connor Hawke]]). He eventually kicks her out after her continued disregard for rules leads to her almost executing a defeated villain.
* And since we brought him up, this happened to ComicBook/GreenArrow Connor Hawke. Even though fans had warmed up to him, many writers would treat him poorly as he wasn't Ollie. For example, he was given a disease that prevented him from holding a bow again, something that seemed to even irritate people who weren't fans of the character. With the New 52, he and a bunch of Legacy Characters that apparently weren't "iconic" enough were relegated to Earth 2. In that universe, there doesn't seem to have ever been an Arrow family of characters, and Connor is the only one, and goes by Red Arrow, Roy Harper's old name from his Justice League days.
* [[ComicBook/{{Hawkman}} Hawkgirl]] Kendra Saunders is an interesting case. Fans generally seemed to accept her and didn't mind so much that she wasn't truly Shiera. They had the same soul, after all. However quite a good number of fans were pissed when Kendra was killed off in ''Blackest Night'' and Sheira was brought back in ''Brightest Day'', and Kendra was set up as the Hawkgirl of Comicbook/{{Earth 2}} in the New 52.
* ComicBook/TheSandman: When [[spoiler:Daniel replaces Morpheus near the end]], this reaction is inevitable and instinctive for readers and characters alike. [[spoiler:The shock is gently muted as the final arc deals with the other characters - notably the raven, Matthew - coming to terms with the replacement. This openness, combined with Daniel's dignified humility and the knowledge that he had been carefully hand-picked by his predecessor,]] helps the reader to accept him.
** It probably helps that the series ends at this point, [[spoiler:since one of Daniel's ''positive'' qualities is the absence of some of the original character's [[TrueArtIsAngsty inner turmoil]]. He is an easier character to like, and we never really see him in action enough to compare how he drives the plot.]]
** It's much easier to accept if you came to the series after its completion and know that it is essentially about [[spoiler:the downfall of Morpheus.]]
* ComicBook/TheFlash has had issues with this very similar to GreenLantern mentioned above. At the end of ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'', Barry Allen made a HeroicSacrifice, and Wally West, then the [[KidSidekick Kid Flash]], became the Flash. Wally was not well received at first, whether due to his being young, a {{Jerkass}}, or the fact that he was less powerful (he lost a lot of his speed during the Crisis and didn't get it back for years.) While Wally grew into the role and gained acceptance, Barry kept appearing in one-off stories set in the past, time travel stories and one notable "fake out" event as well as a short lived TV series keeping his fandom alive. When Barry came back after 24 years of being dead, fans are split.
** But when Bart Allen had his turn as TheFlash, fans were much more in agreement about their loathing of the character due partly to the {{Wangst}}, partly due to his being [[PlotRelevantAgeUp artificially aged]] to shoehorn him into the role, but mostly because the character lost his FunPersonified sense of humor and cheerful demeanor.
*** Barry is getting this more now than ever since in the ComicBook/{{New 52}} Wally was not only never Flash, but never even Kid Flash. For years, he didn't even ''exist'', and the role of the first Kid Flash was given to the second Kid Flash Bart Allen. Even fans that don't like Wally seem to feel that this was a low blow to his fanbase.
* Many people dislike Jason Rusch (ComicBook/{{Firestorm}}), and Ryan Choi (ComicBook/TheAtom) due to the killing off or running off how Ray Palmer sort of their predecessors.just vanished into limbo. However, when Ryan Choi was ignominiously killed off, people had gotten over that he wasn't Ray Palmer, and now viewed Ray as this. After a pretty massive racial controversy that got coverage on some non-comic sites, DC retconned Ryan's death during the ''ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}'' series and now he is the sole Atom in the ComicBook/{{New 52}} continuity, with Ray being regulated to a scientific adviser for the S.H.A.D.E. organization.



** The New 52 continuity not only retconned the death of Ronnie Raymond (the first Firestorm who was killed to make way for Jason) but now made it possible for both he and Jason to become Firestorm at the same time, alleviating some of the tension between the characters' respective fanbases.
** [[ComicBook/HawkAndDove Holly Granger]] (as the second (or third?) person to bear the title of "Hawk") also got this reception by fans, though it didn't help matters that [[DependingOnTheWriter writers had no clue what kind of personality she had]], or bothered to flesh out a personality or backstory for her to begin with. Being retconned in as "only child" Dawn Granger's sister and an usurper of Hank Hall's Hawk powers only rubbed the salt in further for her hatedom. They rejoiced as Hank Hall was eventually brought back to life while Holly was killed off, and she appears to no longer exist at all in the New 52 continuity.
* In-universe, Jakeem Thunder was seen as this by a number of the original ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica members. Ironically, he never really received much negative treatment from the fans since his predecessor wasn't a character most readers were likely to be familiar with in the first place.
* ComicBook/{{Batwoman}} was (and still is in some fans' minds) seen as one of these after she took over the lead female Bat Family role from the [[Comicbook/{{Batgirl2000}} Cassandra Cain]] incarnation of ComicBook/{{Batgirl}}, who was moved out of focus. This was largely erased after she starred in a well-recieved, Eisner Award run of ''Detective Comics''.



** The next Batgirl ([[ComicBook/{{Batgirl2009}} Stephanie Brown]], formerly Spoiler) has been seen as this as well, due to her being a blonde Caucasian female who replaced one of the few Asian superheroes in all of comicdom (and the only female Asian hero to maintain a long-running solo series). (Oddly enough, Cassandra and Stephanie were LesYay-riffic best friends in-universe and would probably take offense at this.) Steph would eventually win over a a number fans by being a really fun character. Though her book wasn't a smash hit (it had enough sales to be in the top hundred comics being sold, but not on par with usual Bat-books), she managed to win over a very vocal fanbase that protested heavily once she was removed from the role.

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** The next Batgirl ([[ComicBook/{{Batgirl2009}} Stephanie Brown]], formerly Spoiler) has been seen as this as well, due to her being a blonde Caucasian female who replaced one of the few Asian superheroes in all of comicdom (and the only female Asian hero to maintain a long-running solo series). (Oddly enough, Cassandra and Stephanie were LesYay-riffic best friends in-universe and would probably take offense at this.) Steph would eventually win over a a number fans by being a really fun character. Though her book wasn't a smash hit (it had enough sales to be in the top hundred comics being sold, but not on par with usual Bat-books), she managed to win over a very vocal fanbase that protested heavily once she was removed from the role.



* The second ComicBook/WonderGirl (Cassandra Sandsmark) is hated by some of the more diehard Donna Troy fans. Some even wish that she weren't a "blonde, white girl" so that [[FanDumb she would be killed off easier for Donna to go back to the role]]. This is especially irritating since in the 90s, Cassandra was a much more friendly, likable character than the Scrappy people see now. Further made worse for Donna's fans in the New 52 continuity, where Cassie's new connection to Wonder Woman[[note]]Cassie is Diana's niece, the daughter of Diana's half-brother Lennox[[/note]] hasn't been revealed in-universe despite the relaunch occurring in September of 2011. And like Wally West, Cassie is now the first Wonder Girl, and Donna wasn't introduced until 2015, where she is now a darker, angrier reflection of Wonder Woman, a role ''Cassie already fills''.
* ComicBook/{{Supergirl}}, Supergirl, Supergirl.
** After the original was [[HeroicSacrifice killed]] and {{Ret Gone}}d, DC initiated a LegacyImplosion policy which prevented the existence of any Kryptonians besides Superman. JohnByrne then engaged in a bit of LoopholeAbuse and gave us Matrix, a Supergirl that was basically an ArtificialHuman from a PocketDimension. While thought inferior to the original, she was at least ''a'' Supergirl and existed for several years.
** Her popularity decreased however, as PeterDavid was allowed to completely revamp the character in his own run on Supergirl. His Supergirl was actually [[OurAngelsAreDifferent an angel]], created when the Matrix Supergirl fused with a human named Linda Danvers. His run, while making [[MythologyGag a number of references to the original Supergirl]], touched on religious and supernatural themes. It was seen by many as a departure from the original character and the Superman mythos (although it's not like Superman hasn't dealt with magic and demons before). The situation was similar to the Cassandra Cain Batgirl (see above) in that despite her earlier problems Linda gained a sizable fanbase and the series ran for several years. Peter David finished the series with an arc that reintroduced the original Supergirl with the hope of turning it into a new series. Unfortunately it didn't happen and Linda was PutOnABus, but it may have inspired the creation of the Supergirl that came after the next one...
** Cir-El. Claiming to be Superman and Lois Lane's KidFromTheFuture, she was [[TheScrappy extremely unpopular]], revealed to be a fake created by the villain Brainiac, and was quickly [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome removed and forgotten]].
** And finally a new version of the original Supergirl, Kara Zor-El, was created supposedly just to get rid of the [[ContinuitySnarl confusing origins]] of the previous Supergirls now that the LegacyImplosion policy was overturned. Although her initial appearances were promising (except for people who were upset with Linda's disappearance), she garnished significant hatred for being both DarkerAndEdgier and MsFanservice. Not to mention the fact that her backstory on Krypton was {{Retcon}}ed with every writer she had. An AuthorsSavingThrow finally softened her character and clarified her history, which was mostly accepted by the fanbase.
* Done in-universe (they were this trope to the readers as well, but here it was intentional) with the four replacement Supermen that cropped up after ComicBook/TheDeathOfSuperman. The first three were: [[EvilCounterpart a Cyborg that eventually turned out to be evil]]; [[NinetiesAntiHero a cold, elitist Kryptonian]]; and [[ComicBook/{{Superboy}} a loud, '90s-ish punk teenager]]. [[{{Steel}} The fourth was a heroic, moral, upstanding guy... who really, really didn't want to replace Superman]].



** Like with the Bucky example above, averted entirely when Dick Grayson became Batman. The decision for both Bruce and Dick to act as Batman simultaneously is seen as a welcome third option. Some fans really didn't want him returning to his role of Nightwing.

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** Like with the Bucky example above, below, averted entirely when Dick Grayson became Batman. The decision for both Bruce and Dick to act as Batman simultaneously is seen as a welcome third option. Some fans really didn't want him returning to his role of Nightwing.



* Deathstroke's team of "Titans" when ''[[TeenTitans Titans]]'' was remade into a series about Slade's mercenary team stealing the Titans name after the actual, adult Titans had disbanded following ''ComicBook/JusticeLeagueCryForJustice'' and ''ComicBook/BlackestNight''. The run immediately got off to a bad start by killing off [[ComicBook/TheAtom Ryan Choi]] in an extremely graphic and dragged out manner just to show how "dangerous" this new team was, which landed DC a number of accusations about inter-company racism; Ryan's creator Creator/GailSimone actually broke her legendary politeness to say how much she hated how he died. A few years later, DC released ''{{ComicBook/Convergence}}'' with two miniseries, ''Convergence: The Atom'' and ''Convergence: Titans'' meant to specifically address and undo the damage this run on the book did. Added to the accusations about Ryan's death were:
** The over saturation of blood and gore.
** Arsenal joining the team right off the heels of the much loathed ''Rise of Arsenal'' miniseries. Cheshire emotionally blackmails him into joining by holding Lian's death against him, and he conspires with her to kill Slade when they get the chance. Roy started appearing more and more psychotic as his drug addiction worsened, and then readers felt especially angry when he ''willingly'' accepted a vial of Bliss from Slade, with Bliss being a drug that is literally ''made from children.'' Author Fabian Nicieza had to specifically state that the Roy seen in ''{{ComicBook/Convergence}}'' was pulled before he fell as further down as he did in the sewer of Deathstroke's team.
** Osiris gradually going from being the TokenGoodTeammate to a SpoiledBrat psychopath who got so bad even his own sister was repulsed by his actions. His inclusion in the title was the only reason the book was connected to ''ComicBook/BrightestDay'' (in that Osiris had to restore Black Adam and Isis after they were TakenForGranite), but said connection pretty much amounted to nothing in the series itself and the main ''ComicBook/BrightestDay'' book.
** Everything about Cinder's character. A suicidal rape victim whose debut included her murdering a man by burning off his penis and setting him on fire using her vagina. [[http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/comicsalliance.com/files/2010/12/lavagina.jpg We're being serious here.]]
* Speaking of the Teen Titans, the New 52 series and its team is hated by pretty much all of the Titans fans combined, even the fans of the characters. The team is hated by fans of the original Titans for specifically being the first team to call themselves the Titans, meaning the original team never existed - indeed, only Dick Grayson and Roy Harper initially existed in the New 52. Fans of the team that is the ''basis'' for the New 52 team hate it for the changes it made to their characters, namely making Cassie (more) of an angry asshole, the ''complete'' change to Bart Allen's character and finally going 100% in making Tim Drake a mini-Bruce Wayne in terms of his obsessiveness.

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* Deathstroke's team of "Titans" when ''[[TeenTitans Titans]]'' ComicBook/{{Batwoman}} was remade into a series about Slade's mercenary team stealing the Titans name (and still is in some fans' minds) seen as one of these after the actual, adult Titans had disbanded following ''ComicBook/JusticeLeagueCryForJustice'' and ''ComicBook/BlackestNight''. The run immediately got off to a bad start by killing off [[ComicBook/TheAtom Ryan Choi]] in an extremely graphic and dragged out manner just to show how "dangerous" this new team was, which landed DC a number of accusations about inter-company racism; Ryan's creator Creator/GailSimone actually broke her legendary politeness to say how much she hated how he died. A few years later, DC released ''{{ComicBook/Convergence}}'' with two miniseries, ''Convergence: The Atom'' and ''Convergence: Titans'' meant to specifically address and undo the damage this run on the book did. Added to the accusations about Ryan's death were:
** The
took over saturation of blood and gore.
** Arsenal joining
the team right off the heels of the much loathed ''Rise of Arsenal'' miniseries. Cheshire emotionally blackmails him into joining by holding Lian's death against him, and he conspires with her to kill Slade when they get the chance. Roy started appearing more and more psychotic as his drug addiction worsened, and then readers felt especially angry when he ''willingly'' accepted a vial of Bliss lead female Bat Family role from Slade, with Bliss being a drug that is literally ''made from children.'' Author Fabian Nicieza had to specifically state that the Roy seen in ''{{ComicBook/Convergence}}'' [[Comicbook/{{Batgirl2000}} Cassandra Cain]] incarnation of ComicBook/{{Batgirl}}, who was pulled before he fell as further down as he did in the sewer moved out of Deathstroke's team.
** Osiris gradually going from being the TokenGoodTeammate to a SpoiledBrat psychopath who got so bad even his own sister
focus. This was repulsed by his actions. His inclusion in the title was the only reason the book was connected to ''ComicBook/BrightestDay'' (in that Osiris had to restore Black Adam and Isis largely erased after they were TakenForGranite), but said connection pretty much amounted to nothing she starred in the series itself and the main ''ComicBook/BrightestDay'' book.
** Everything about Cinder's character. A suicidal rape victim whose debut included her murdering
a man by burning off his penis and setting him on fire using her vagina. [[http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/comicsalliance.com/files/2010/12/lavagina.jpg We're being serious here.]]
* Speaking
well-recieved, Eisner Award run of the Teen Titans, the New 52 series and its team is hated by pretty much all of the Titans fans combined, even the fans of the characters. The team is hated by fans of the original Titans for specifically being the first team to call themselves the Titans, meaning the original team never existed - indeed, only Dick Grayson and Roy Harper initially existed in the New 52. Fans of the team that is the ''basis'' for the New 52 team hate it for the changes it made to their characters, namely making Cassie (more) of an angry asshole, the ''complete'' change to Bart Allen's character and finally going 100% in making Tim Drake a mini-Bruce Wayne in terms of his obsessiveness.''Detective Comics''.


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* This happened to ComicBook/GreenArrow Connor Hawke. Even though fans had warmed up to him, many writers would treat him poorly as he wasn't Ollie. For example, he was given a disease that prevented him from holding a bow again, something that seemed to even irritate people who weren't fans of the character. With the New 52, he and a bunch of Legacy Characters that apparently weren't "iconic" enough were relegated to Earth 2. In that universe, there doesn't seem to have ever been an Arrow family of characters, and Connor is the only one, and goes by Red Arrow, Roy Harper's old name from his Justice League days.
** Jason Rusch (ComicBook/{{Firestorm}}) for Ronnie Raymond, since Ronnie was unceremoniously killed off to make way for Rusch. The New 52 continuity not only retconned the death of Ronnie Raymond (the first Firestorm who was killed to make way for Jason) but now made it possible for both he and Jason to become Firestorm at the same time, alleviating some of the tension between the characters' respective fanbases.
* ComicBook/TheFlash has had issues with this very similar to GreenLantern mentioned below. At the end of ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'', Barry Allen made a HeroicSacrifice, and Wally West, then [[KidSidekick Kid Flash]], became the Flash. Wally was not well received at first, whether due to his being young, a {{Jerkass}}, or the fact that he was less powerful (he lost a lot of his speed during the Crisis and didn't get it back for years.) While Wally grew into the role and gained acceptance, Barry kept appearing in one-off stories set in the past, time travel stories and one notable "fake out" event as well as a short lived TV series keeping his fandom alive. When Barry came back after 24 years of being dead, fans are split.
** But when Bart Allen had his turn as TheFlash, fans were much more in agreement about their loathing of the character due partly to the {{Wangst}}, partly due to his being [[PlotRelevantAgeUp artificially aged]] to shoehorn him into the role, but mostly because the character lost his FunPersonified sense of humor and cheerful demeanor.
*** Barry is getting this more now than ever since in the ComicBook/{{New 52}} Wally was not only never Flash, but never even Kid Flash. For years, he didn't even ''exist'', and the role of the first Kid Flash was given to the second Kid Flash Bart Allen. Even fans that don't like Wally seem to feel that this was a low blow to his fanbase.
** Later on, they brought Wally back with some ''very'' controversial changes to his character. This Wally was pretty firmly disliked by classic Wally fans his increased Jerkass tendencies, stereotypical portrayal, changes to Wally's relationships (he isn't close to his aunt Iris anymore, comes from a broken family, and outright hates the Flash) to... [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement other things]]. DC later brought back the original Wally in ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'' while keeping New 52 Wally around as the classic version's cousin, and this had the added benefit of classic Wally fans giving Wally West II another chance now that he wasn't supposed to be their Wally anymore. Plus, the more controversial parts of his character had been heavily reigned in by then.
* Consider ''ComicBook/GreenLantern''. Stories featuring Hal Jordan, one of the longest-running and most respected heroes in ''Franchise/TheDCU'', just weren't selling that well, and [[ExecutiveMeddling it was decided that a fresher look at the character was needed]] rather than just switching Jordan out for backup Lanterns Guy Gardner or John Stewart. So [[DroppedABridgeOnHim a bridge was dropped on Hal Jordan]] in a way [[DyingToBeReplaced that was not only stupid]], but was [[FaceHeelTurn demeaning to the character and his long history as a hero]] (he eventually got a HeroicSacrifice a few years later). Not only that, but the entire [[TheChosenMany Green Lantern Corps]] was brought down as well. Thus his replacement, Kyle Rayner, wasn't just a ReplacementScrappy for Hal Jordan, but for the entire corps. Cut to almost 20 years later, and not only have the overwhelming majority of ''ComicBook/GreenLantern'' fans come around to liking the character (mostly because of Creator/GrantMorrison's deft handling of the character), but in addition, an entire generation of fans had arisen ''after'' Hal Jordan's removal were. These new fans, as can be expected, had very little knowledge of Hal Jordan and his legacy as a Green Lantern, and even more appropriately shouldn't have been expected to even care. So when the old guard hold-out fans of Hal Jordan [[RunningTheAsylum gained control of the title]] and decreed that ''their'' hero would return and the "unwanted interloper", Kyle Rayner, would be reduced to a supporting role, naturally some of them didn't take it very well.
* [[ComicBook/HawkAndDove Holly Granger]] (as the third person to bear the title of "Hawk") also got this reception by fans, though it didn't help matters that [[DependingOnTheWriter writers had no clue what kind of personality she had]], or bothered to flesh out a personality or backstory for her to begin with. Being retconned in as "only child" Dawn Granger's sister and an usurper of Hank Hall's Hawk powers only rubbed the salt in further for her hatedom. They rejoiced as Hank Hall was eventually brought back to life while Holly was killed off, and she appears to no longer exist at all in the New 52 continuity.
** Before Holly, there was the second duo to call themselvs Hawk and Dove. These two had very little connection to the originals or Dawn Granger, and were gotten rid of and never spoken of again.
* [[ComicBook/{{Hawkman}} Hawkgirl]] Kendra Saunders is an interesting case. Fans generally seemed to accept her and didn't mind so much that she wasn't truly Shiera. They had the same soul, after all. However quite a good number of fans were pissed when Kendra was killed off in ''Blackest Night'' and Sheira was brought back in ''Brightest Day'', and Kendra was set up as the Hawkgirl of Comicbook/{{Earth 2}} in the New 52.
* During Creator/GrantMorrison's JLA run Huntress is this to Batman (she was brought in as a last second replacement for [[ComicBook/GreenArrow Connor Hawke]]). He eventually kicks her out after her continued disregard for rules leads to her almost executing a defeated villain.
* Happened to ComicBook/{{Nightwing}} in JLA-Task Force. He wasn't loathed by the fans, he was loathed by his team members in canon.
* In-universe, Jakeem Thunder was seen as this by a number of the original ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica members. Ironically, he never really received much negative treatment from the fans since his predecessor wasn't a character most readers were likely to be familiar with in the first place.
* Jason Todd as the second Robin. Originally a carbon-copy of Robin I, Dick Grayson, he was [[CosmicRetcon ret-conned]] into having a [[StreetUrchin street urchin]] origin and no longer having Dick's approval. This led to the second Robin becoming so controversial that DC had a ''call-in vote'' to see if fans wanted Jason to [[ADeathInTheFamily die a gruesome death at the hands of the Joker.]] Ultimately, Jason's hatedom won by a narrow margin, and Jason Todd was [[DeadSidekick dead]] for two decades.
** Damian Wayne (Robin IV) for Tim Drake (Robin III). When Damian was introduced, he did some very bad stuff, like beheading a B-list villain and almost killing Tim. While Bruce didn't approve, many people feel he got off too lightly because he's Bruce's biological son. He didn't officially take up the identity of Robin until after the "death" of Bruce Wayne, when Dick Grayson unceremoniously fired Tim from the role. Tim would go on to be called Red Robin, a name not liked by many of his fans. He'd have mediocre stories while Damian got to be in more and more, well-received series. While this Rescued Damian from the Scrappy Heap, it also caused some resentment from Tim fans. Many still hate Damian for getting sucha large push from DC at Tim's expense.
* ComicBook/TheSandman: When [[spoiler:Daniel replaces Morpheus near the end]], this reaction is inevitable and instinctive for readers and characters alike. [[spoiler:The shock is gently muted as the final arc deals with the other characters - notably the raven, Matthew - coming to terms with the replacement. This openness, combined with Daniel's dignified humility and the knowledge that he had been carefully hand-picked by his predecessor,]] helps the reader to accept him.
** It probably helps that the series ends at this point, [[spoiler:since one of Daniel's ''positive'' qualities is the absence of some of the original character's [[TrueArtIsAngsty inner turmoil]]. He is an easier character to like, and we never really see him in action enough to compare how he drives the plot.]]
** It's much easier to accept if you came to the series after its completion and know that it is essentially about [[spoiler:the downfall of Morpheus.]]
* ComicBook/{{Supergirl}}, Supergirl, Supergirl.
** After the original was [[HeroicSacrifice killed]] and {{Ret Gone}}d, DC initiated a LegacyImplosion policy which prevented the existence of any Kryptonians besides Superman. JohnByrne then engaged in a bit of LoopholeAbuse and gave us Matrix, a Supergirl that was basically an ArtificialHuman from a PocketDimension. While thought inferior to the original, she was at least ''a'' Supergirl and existed for several years.
** Her popularity decreased however, as PeterDavid was allowed to completely revamp the character in his own run on Supergirl. His Supergirl was actually [[OurAngelsAreDifferent an angel]], created when the Matrix Supergirl fused with a human named Linda Danvers. His run, while making [[MythologyGag a number of references to the original Supergirl]], touched on religious and supernatural themes. It was seen by many as a departure from the original character and the Superman mythos (although it's not like Superman hasn't dealt with magic and demons before). The situation was similar to the Cassandra Cain Batgirl (see above) in that despite her earlier problems Linda gained a sizable fanbase and the series ran for several years. Peter David finished the series with an arc that reintroduced the original Supergirl with the hope of turning it into a new series. Unfortunately it didn't happen and Linda was PutOnABus, but it may have inspired the creation of the Supergirl that came after the next one...
** Cir-El. Claiming to be Superman and Lois Lane's KidFromTheFuture, she was [[TheScrappy extremely unpopular]], revealed to be a fake created by the villain Brainiac, and was quickly [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome removed and forgotten]].
** And finally a new version of the original Supergirl, Kara Zor-El, was created supposedly just to get rid of the [[ContinuitySnarl confusing origins]] of the previous Supergirls now that the LegacyImplosion policy was overturned. Although her initial appearances were promising (except for people who were upset with Linda's disappearance), she garnished significant hatred for being both DarkerAndEdgier and MsFanservice. Not to mention the fact that her backstory on Krypton was {{Retcon}}ed with every writer she had. An AuthorsSavingThrow finally softened her character and clarified her history, which was mostly accepted by the fanbase.
* Done in-universe (they were this trope to the readers as well, but here it was intentional) with the four replacement Supermen that cropped up after ComicBook/TheDeathOfSuperman. The first three were: [[EvilCounterpart a Cyborg that eventually turned out to be evil]]; [[NinetiesAntiHero a cold, elitist Kryptonian]]; and [[ComicBook/{{Superboy}} a loud, '90s-ish punk teenager]]. [[{{Steel}} The fourth was a heroic, moral, upstanding guy... who really, really didn't want to replace Superman]].
* Deathstroke's team of "Titans" when ''[[TeenTitans Titans]]'' was remade into a series about Slade's mercenary team stealing the Titans name after the actual, adult Titans had disbanded following ''ComicBook/JusticeLeagueCryForJustice'' and ''ComicBook/BlackestNight''. The run immediately got off to a bad start by killing off [[ComicBook/TheAtom Ryan Choi]] in an extremely graphic and dragged out manner just to show how "dangerous" this new team was, which landed DC a number of accusations about inter-company racism; Ryan's creator Creator/GailSimone actually broke her legendary politeness to say how much she hated how he died. A few years later, DC released ''{{ComicBook/Convergence}}'' with two miniseries, ''Convergence: The Atom'' and ''Convergence: Titans'' meant to specifically address and undo the damage this run on the book did. Added to the accusations about Ryan's death were:
** The over saturation of blood and gore.
** Arsenal joining the team right off the heels of the much loathed ''Rise of Arsenal'' miniseries. Cheshire emotionally blackmails him into joining by holding Lian's death against him, and he conspires with her to kill Slade when they get the chance. Roy started appearing more and more psychotic as his drug addiction worsened, and then readers felt especially angry when he ''willingly'' accepted a vial of Bliss from Slade, with Bliss being a drug that is literally ''made from children.'' Author Fabian Nicieza had to specifically state that the Roy seen in ''{{ComicBook/Convergence}}'' was pulled before he fell as further down as he did in the sewer of Deathstroke's team.
** Osiris gradually going from being the TokenGoodTeammate to a SpoiledBrat psychopath who got so bad even his own sister was repulsed by his actions. His inclusion in the title was the only reason the book was connected to ''ComicBook/BrightestDay'' (in that Osiris had to restore Black Adam and Isis after they were TakenForGranite), but said connection pretty much amounted to nothing in the series itself and the main ''ComicBook/BrightestDay'' book.
** Everything about Cinder's character. A suicidal rape victim whose debut included her murdering a man by burning off his penis and setting him on fire using her vagina. [[http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/comicsalliance.com/files/2010/12/lavagina.jpg We're being serious here.]]
* Speaking of the Teen Titans, the New 52 series and its team is hated by pretty much all of the Titans fans combined, even the fans of the characters. The team is hated by fans of the original Titans for specifically being the first team to call themselves the Titans, meaning the original team never existed - indeed, only Dick Grayson and Roy Harper initially existed in the New 52. Fans of the team that is the ''basis'' for the New 52 team hate it for the changes it made to their characters, namely making Cassie (more) of an angry asshole, the ''complete'' change to Bart Allen's character and finally going 100% in making Tim Drake a mini-Bruce Wayne in terms of his obsessiveness.
* The second ComicBook/WonderGirl (Cassandra Sandsmark) is hated by some of the more diehard Donna Troy fans. Some even wish that she weren't a "blonde, white girl" so that [[FanDumb she would be killed off easier for Donna to go back to the role]]. This is especially irritating since in the 90s, Cassandra was a much more friendly, likable character than the Scrappy people see now. Further made worse for Donna's fans in the New 52 continuity, where Cassie's new connection to Wonder Woman[[note]]Cassie is Diana's niece, the daughter of Diana's half-brother Lennox[[/note]] hasn't been revealed in-universe despite the relaunch occurring in September of 2011. And like Wally West, Cassie is now the first Wonder Girl, and Donna wasn't introduced until 2015, where she is now a darker, angrier reflection of Wonder Woman, a role ''Cassie already fills''.
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* Worth mentioning is Jason Todd as the second ''ComicBook/Robin''. Originally a carbon-copy of Robin I, Dick Grayson, he was [[CosmicRetcon ret-conned]] into having a [[StreetUrchin street urchin]] origin and no longer having Dick's approval. This led to the second Robin becoming so controversial that DC had a ''call-in vote'' to see if fans wanted Jason to [[ADeathInTheFamily die a gruesome death at the hands of the Joker.]] Ultimately, Jason's hatedom won by a narrow margin, and Jason Todd was [[DeadSidekick dead]] for two decades.

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* Worth mentioning is Jason Todd as the second ''ComicBook/Robin''.''Robin''. Originally a carbon-copy of Robin I, Dick Grayson, he was [[CosmicRetcon ret-conned]] into having a [[StreetUrchin street urchin]] origin and no longer having Dick's approval. This led to the second Robin becoming so controversial that DC had a ''call-in vote'' to see if fans wanted Jason to [[ADeathInTheFamily die a gruesome death at the hands of the Joker.]] Ultimately, Jason's hatedom won by a narrow margin, and Jason Todd was [[DeadSidekick dead]] for two decades.
13th Jul '16 7:10:13 PM RaViola
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* Worth mentioning is Jason Todd as the second Robin. Originally a carbon-copy of Robin I, Dick Grayson, he was [[CosmicRetcon ret-conned]] into having a [[StreetUrchin street urchin]] origin and no longer having Dick's approval. This led to the second Robin becoming so controversial that DC had a ''call-in vote'' to see if fans wanted Jason to [[ADeathInTheFamily die a gruesome death at the hands of the Joker.]] Ultimately, Jason's hatedom won by a narrow margin, and Jason Todd was [[DeadSidekick dead]] for two decades.

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* Worth mentioning is Jason Todd as the second Robin.''ComicBook/Robin''. Originally a carbon-copy of Robin I, Dick Grayson, he was [[CosmicRetcon ret-conned]] into having a [[StreetUrchin street urchin]] origin and no longer having Dick's approval. This led to the second Robin becoming so controversial that DC had a ''call-in vote'' to see if fans wanted Jason to [[ADeathInTheFamily die a gruesome death at the hands of the Joker.]] Ultimately, Jason's hatedom won by a narrow margin, and Jason Todd was [[DeadSidekick dead]] for two decades.
13th Jul '16 7:04:53 PM RaViola
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* Worth mentioning is Jason Todd as the second ''ComicBook/Robin''. Originally a carbon-copy of Robin I, Dick Grayson, he was [[CosmicRetcon ret-conned]] into having a [[StreetUrchin street urchin]] origin and no longer having Dick's approval. This led to the second Robin becoming so controversial that DC had a ''call-in vote'' to see if fans wanted Jason to [[ADeathInTheFamily die a gruesome death at the hands of the Joker.]] Ultimately, Jason's [[Hatedom haters]] won by a narrow margin, and Jason Todd was [[DeadSidekick dead]] for two decades.

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* Worth mentioning is Jason Todd as the second ''ComicBook/Robin''.Robin. Originally a carbon-copy of Robin I, Dick Grayson, he was [[CosmicRetcon ret-conned]] into having a [[StreetUrchin street urchin]] origin and no longer having Dick's approval. This led to the second Robin becoming so controversial that DC had a ''call-in vote'' to see if fans wanted Jason to [[ADeathInTheFamily die a gruesome death at the hands of the Joker.]] Ultimately, Jason's [[Hatedom haters]] hatedom won by a narrow margin, and Jason Todd was [[DeadSidekick dead]] for two decades.
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