History Recap / GameOfThronesS2E4GardenOfBones

26th Sep '16 8:47:26 AM tromag
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** Margaery and Littlefinger's entire exchange in the camp. Both of them are overflowing with genteel courtesy, while he needles her about her new husband's [[TransparentCloset: proclivities]] and she mocks him for his romantic failures while making entirely clear where her loyalties lie.
21st Sep '16 11:26:25 AM tromag
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* NobleDemon: Not only is Tyron (by far) the most sympathetic of the Lannisters, he seems to be the only one who can actually keep Joffrey in check. At least for the moment.
21st Sep '16 11:15:10 AM tromag
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* TheCaligula: Joffrey has always been deeply unpleasant, but his sadism and total lack of humanity really go on display in this episode. He seems to have developed a taste for having women beaten and threatened with death for his own amusement. The scene with Ros suggests he has little interest in sex, but plenty of interest in the pain of others.
3rd Jul '16 9:48:42 AM ZimFan89
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We return to '''Harrenhal''', and Arya's awoken by the angry shouts of Lannister soldiers. They're "questioning" prisoners now. The Mountain, the hulk of a man runs an eye over the prisoners personally. They pick a random boy... and proceed to question him. We see Hot Pie's breeches expanding rapidly as he watches. They tie him down, place a bucket over his chest with a rat inside while moving a torch ever closer to it. "Where is the brotherhood?" one of them asks. The frightened prisoner repeats that he doesn't know, and the exchange continues until the rat begins digging into his chest and he gives in. "You've been very helpful," says the questioner, and they leave the torch to burn away the bucket as the frightened rat tears into the poor guy. We get another ScreamDiscretionShot. It cuts to Arya sleeping again still reciting her list of people, and when she watches the same old woman feebly request one of the Lannisters -- "Polliver" for bread, he brutally silences her. So Arya adds Polliver and the Mountain's names to her ever-growing list...

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We return to '''Harrenhal''', and Arya's awoken by the angry shouts of Lannister soldiers. They're "questioning" prisoners now. The Mountain, the hulk of a man runs an eye over the prisoners personally. They pick a random boy... and proceed to question him. We see Hot Pie's breeches expanding rapidly as he watches. They tie him down, place a bucket over his chest with a rat inside while moving a torch ever closer to it. "Where is the brotherhood?" one of them asks. The frightened prisoner repeats that he doesn't know, and the exchange continues until the rat begins digging into his chest and he gives in. "You've been very helpful," says the questioner, and they leave the torch to burn away the bucket as the frightened rat tears into the poor guy. We get another ScreamDiscretionShot. It cuts to Arya sleeping again still reciting her list of people, and when she watches the same old woman feebly request one of the Lannisters -- Lannisters, "Polliver" for bread, he brutally silences her. So Arya adds Polliver and the Mountain's names to her ever-growing list...



For our last scene we find ourselves somewhere in '''the Stormlands''', aboard a Baratheon ship: it's got a stag figurehead at the prow, and it's also got Ser Davos and King Stannis aboard. Stannis asks about the little leather pouch the Onion Knight wears at his neck, and is surprised to discver that it has the remains of Davos's fingers, which Stannis chopped off. Davos keeps them for luck, and to remind himself that all that he is--smuggler and knight both--he owes to Stannis. Stannis charges him to return to his smuggler ways: he needs to bring Melisandre, the red priestess, into Shipbreaker Bay.

It's a boat built for two, and Davos is not at ease with his passenger; Melisandre displays both fervent faith in R'hllor and BlackAndWhiteMorality, neither of which Davos (an atheist and a strong believer in relative morality) is fond of. Davoes asks why they are going into a dark cave when she follows the Lord of Light. She answers that shadows come from light, not darkness, and that the brightest flames create the blackest shadows. She also seems confident in her sexuality, informing him that he wants to see what's beneath her robe. So she shows him. She is quite, quite pregnant, and she lays herself down on the beach to give birth to... some sort of... smoke-ghost-shadow-monster thing. Davos, horrified to find himself transplanted to ''Series/{{LOST}}'', looks on as the smoke-monster climbs free of Melisandre's womb and launches itself on its mission, which happens to be [[SmashToBlack right behind the camera]]. Credits roll.

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For our last scene we find ourselves somewhere in '''the Stormlands''', aboard a Baratheon ship: it's got a stag figurehead at the prow, and it's also got Ser Davos and King Stannis aboard. Stannis asks about the little leather pouch the Onion Knight wears at his neck, and is surprised to discver discover that it has the remains of Davos's fingers, which Stannis chopped off. Davos keeps them for luck, and to remind himself that all that he is--smuggler and knight both--he owes to Stannis. Stannis charges him to return to his smuggler ways: he needs to bring Melisandre, the red priestess, into Shipbreaker Bay.

It's a boat built for two, and Davos is not at ease with his passenger; Melisandre displays both fervent faith in R'hllor and BlackAndWhiteMorality, neither of which Davos (an atheist and a strong believer in relative morality) is fond of. Davoes Davos asks why they are going into a dark cave when she follows the Lord of Light. She answers that shadows come from light, not darkness, and that the brightest flames create the blackest shadows. She also seems confident in her sexuality, informing him that he wants to see what's beneath her robe. So she shows him. She is quite, quite pregnant, and she lays herself down on the beach to give birth to... some sort of... smoke-ghost-shadow-monster thing. Davos, horrified to find himself transplanted to ''Series/{{LOST}}'', looks on as the smoke-monster climbs free of Melisandre's womb and launches itself on its mission, which happens to be [[SmashToBlack right behind the camera]]. Credits roll.
3rd Jul '16 9:47:00 AM ZimFan89
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For our last scene we find ourselves somewhere in '''the stormlands''', aboard a Baratheon ship: it's got a stag figurehead at the prow, and it's also got Ser Davos and King Stannis aboard. Stannis asks about the little leather pouch the Onion Knight wears at his neck, and is surprised to discver that it has the remains of Davos's fingers, which Stannis chopped off. Davos keeps them for luck, and to remind himself that all that he is--smuggler and knight both--he owes to Stannis. Stannis charges him to return to his smuggler ways: he needs to bring Melisandre, the red priestess, into Shipbreaker Bay.

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For our last scene we find ourselves somewhere in '''the stormlands''', Stormlands''', aboard a Baratheon ship: it's got a stag figurehead at the prow, and it's also got Ser Davos and King Stannis aboard. Stannis asks about the little leather pouch the Onion Knight wears at his neck, and is surprised to discver that it has the remains of Davos's fingers, which Stannis chopped off. Davos keeps them for luck, and to remind himself that all that he is--smuggler and knight both--he owes to Stannis. Stannis charges him to return to his smuggler ways: he needs to bring Melisandre, the red priestess, into Shipbreaker Bay.
21st Jun '15 6:15:07 AM XFllo
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* AdaptationalBadass: Xaro Xhoan Daxos: From the AmbiguouslyGay effeminate merchant prince to a sword-wielding merchant prince. Perhaps he'll have better luck with [[spoiler: his entreaties to Daenerys to marry him.]]
* AdaptationDistillation: In the books, Arya was just a serving girl under Tywin, and became cupbearer to Roose Bolton after Bolton had taken over Harrenhal. In this version, she becomes Tywin's cupbearer.
** Also, the torture scenes in the book take place somewhere in the woods before the entire party moves to Harrenhal. Once at Harrenhal, little torture takes place.

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* AdaptationalBadass: Xaro Xhoan Daxos: From the AmbiguouslyGay effeminate merchant prince to a sword-wielding merchant prince. Perhaps he'll have better luck with [[spoiler: his entreaties to Daenerys to marry him.]]
prince.
* AdaptationDistillation: AdaptationDistillation:
**
In the books, Arya was just a serving girl under Tywin, and became cupbearer to Roose Bolton after Bolton had taken over Harrenhal. In this version, she becomes Tywin's cupbearer.
** Also, the The torture scenes in the book take place somewhere in the woods before the entire party moves to Harrenhal. Once at Harrenhal, little torture takes place.



* ArmorPiercingQuestion: Talisa the battlefield nurse asks Robb [[AndThenWhat what he's planning to do]] ''[[AndThenWhat after]]'' [[AndThenWhat deposing Joffrey]]. The fact that he hasn't looked that far ahead clearly rattles him, as does her pointing out that his lack of personal hatred for most of the people who fight against him in his campaign doesn't actually help them when they're maimed and killed.

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* ArmorPiercingQuestion: Talisa the battlefield nurse asks Robb [[AndThenWhat what he's planning to do]] ''[[AndThenWhat after]]'' do [[AndThenWhat after deposing Joffrey]]. The fact that he hasn't looked that far ahead clearly rattles him, as does her pointing out that his lack of personal hatred for most of the people who fight against him in his campaign doesn't actually help them when they're maimed and killed.



--> "Bronn, the next time Ser Meryn speaks, kill him."

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--> "Bronn, ''"Bronn, the next time Ser Meryn speaks, kill him.""''



* BlatantLies: Lancel's account of Robb's victory (that he used sorcery, turned his army into wolves and ate the corpses) is clearly rubbish, but it's unclear whether the horrified-looking courtiers actually believe it or are merely playing along. Likewise Sansa claiming Joffrey is her OneTrueLove moments after being threatened by death, then stripped and beaten on his orders.
** Littlefinger claims that Arya is hostage along with Sansa, and tries to convince Catelyn that reports of his backstabbing Ned were greatly exaggerated.

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* BlatantLies: BlatantLies:
**
Lancel's account of Robb's victory (that he used sorcery, turned his army into wolves and ate the corpses) is clearly rubbish, but it's unclear whether the horrified-looking courtiers actually believe it or are merely playing along. Likewise along.
**
Sansa claiming Joffrey is her OneTrueLove moments after being threatened by death, then stripped and beaten on his orders.
** Littlefinger claims that Arya is hostage along with Sansa, and tries to convince Catelyn that reports of his backstabbing Ned were greatly exaggerated. She does believe him about them having Arya.



-->'''Renly''': I don't like you, Lord Baelish. I don't like your face, I don't like the words that come oozing out of your mouth. I don't want you in my tent one minute more than necessary.

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-->'''Renly''': -->'''Renly:''' I don't like you, Lord Baelish. I don't like your face, I don't like the words that come oozing out of your mouth. I don't want you in my tent one minute more than necessary.



** A particularly horrible kind involving a rat and a hot bucket.[[note]]The bucket is held open-end against the chest, the bottom heated by torch, with the rat clawing through the victim's chest to avoid the heat[[/note]] Such a torture [[TruthInTelevision has been used in]] RealLife.
** [[TheCaligula Joffrey's]] sadistic pleasure with the prostitutes quickly turns from erotic spanking into this.

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** A particularly horrible kind involving a rat and a hot bucket.[[note]]The bucket is held open-end against the chest, the bottom heated by torch, with the rat clawing through the victim's chest to avoid the heat[[/note]] Such a torture [[TruthInTelevision has been used in]] in RealLife.
** [[TheCaligula Joffrey's]] sadistic pleasure with the prostitutes quickly turns from erotic spanking into this.torture.



-->'''Renly''': Well, if it isn't my favourite whoremonger! Pray I haven't kept you waiting long.

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-->'''Renly''': -->'''Renly:''' Well, if it isn't my favourite whoremonger! Pray I haven't kept you waiting long.



** The way the erotic spanking of Joffrey's prostitutes quickly turns into a NoHoldsBarredBeatdown with a heavy, spiky stick also counts.

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** The way the erotic spanking of Joffrey's prostitutes quickly turns into a NoHoldsBarredBeatdown with a heavy, spiky stick also counts.stick.



* {{Foreshadowing}}: [[spoiler:Where is The Brotherhood? Also, Gendry's rather exasperated response, "I don't know what that is!"]]
** [[spoiler:"Look to your sins, Lord Renly. The night is dark and full of ''terrors.''" Melisandre certainly wasn't joking about the last part.]]

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* {{Foreshadowing}}: [[spoiler:Where is The Brotherhood? Also, {{Foreshadowing}}:
** We hear for the fisrt time about the mysterious brotherhood.
Gendry's rather exasperated response, response is "I don't know what that is!"]]
is!"
** [[spoiler:"Look "Look to your sins, Lord Renly. The night is dark and full of ''terrors.''" terrors." Melisandre certainly wasn't joking about the last part.]]part. The payoff happens in the following episode.



* OffscreenMomentOfAwesome: Robb's victory over Stafford Lannister in the Battle of Oxcross: Grey Wind attacks a pair of sentries, there's a few shouts of "The King in the North!" over black (a sample of the Greatjon Umber's proclamation and the answer of a chorus of Northmen from "Fire and Blood"), and then it's suddenly the morning as Robb tours the battlefield and Roose Bolton informs him of their overwhelming victory.
** Mind you, it's far more onscreen than the books, where we never get to see ANYTHING off it---only hear the after action reports being delivered to the Lannisters.
* OpenSecret[=/=]QueerPeopleAreFunny: The rumours surrounding Renly and Loras are so widespread that even common soliders on the other side of the country mock their homosexuality.

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* OffscreenMomentOfAwesome: Robb's victory over Stafford Lannister in the Battle of Oxcross: Grey Wind attacks a pair of sentries, there's a few shouts of "The King in the North!" over black (a sample of the Greatjon Umber's proclamation and the answer of a chorus of Northmen from "Fire and Blood"), and then it's suddenly the morning as Robb tours the battlefield and Roose Bolton informs him of their overwhelming victory.
** Mind you, it's
victory. It's far more onscreen than the books, where we never get to see ANYTHING off it---only hear the after action reports being delivered to the Lannisters.
* OpenSecret[=/=]QueerPeopleAreFunny: OpenSecret: The rumours surrounding Renly and Loras are so widespread that even common soliders on the other side of the country mock their homosexuality.



* SamusIsAGirl: "Arry," to everyone's surprise except Gendry's.

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* QueerPeopleAreFunny: Loras and Renly and their not so secret relationship are mocked by common soldiers.
* SamusIsAGirl: "Arry," Boy named "Arry" is revealed to be a girl, to everyone's surprise except Gendry's.Gendry's. And the audience knew all along.



--> '''Renly''': You can trust Brienne. Her loyalty comes without charge.

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--> '''Renly''': '''Renly:''' You can trust Brienne. Her loyalty comes without charge.
11th Jun '14 5:18:08 PM damus2300
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*CallBack: Renly takes a peach during his talk with Littlefinger.
15th May '14 6:38:26 AM TompaDompa
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* FandomNod:
** The "who would beat who" conversation at the beginning of the episode is a common discussion topic amongst fans.
** The discussion of how to pronounce Qarth is something that has been discussed by fans, amongst other pronunciation questions.
9th May '14 10:25:25 AM progkinghughes
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* AbsenteeActor: Notably, Lena Headey (Cersei) misses her first episode, the final actor not to appear in every episode.
7th May '14 7:50:01 AM SeptimusHeap
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And again we're at '''the Stormlands''', and the brothers Renly and Stannis Baratheon treat, with Catelyn Stark in tow. Renly shows his DeadpanSnarker side as he barrages his brother, who has arrived with his fire priestess Melisandre and Davos Seaworth. "You should kneel before your brother," Melisandre says. "He's the [[TheMessiah Lord's chosen]]. Born amidst salt and smoke," Renly replies: "Born amidst salt and smoke... is he a ham?" and Stannis continues to be unimpressed and irritated. Catelyn Stark attempts to remind them that they've a common enemy and are brothers, and Stannis confronts her for approaching Renly when Ned Stark supported his own claim. "The Iron Throne is mine, by right. All those that deny that are my foes," Stannis says. But Renly is adamant that the "whole realm denies it," from Dorne to the Wall, and from the death rattles of old men and unborn children. "No one wants you for their king," Renly says. Stannis offers his brother one last night to submit. "Strike your banners, come to me before dawn and I will grant you your old seat in the council. I'll even name you my heir. Until a son is born to me. Otherwise I shall destroy you," Renly doesn't look afraid. He reminds him of the hundred thousand strong army behind him, the combined force of the Stormlands' houses loyal to him and the massive conglomeration of the Reach. "We shall see Renly. come the dawn, we shall see," is Stannis' reply. Melisandre tells Renly Baratheon to "Look to your sins, Lord Renly. The night is dark and full of terrors," and Stannis' contingent leaves. "Can you believe I loved him once?" says Renly.

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And again we're at '''the Stormlands''', and the brothers Renly and Stannis Baratheon treat, with Catelyn Stark in tow. Renly shows his DeadpanSnarker side as he barrages his brother, who has arrived with his fire priestess Melisandre and Davos Seaworth. "You should kneel before your brother," Melisandre says. "He's the [[TheMessiah [[MessianicArchetype Lord's chosen]]. Born amidst salt and smoke," Renly replies: "Born amidst salt and smoke... is he a ham?" and Stannis continues to be unimpressed and irritated. Catelyn Stark attempts to remind them that they've a common enemy and are brothers, and Stannis confronts her for approaching Renly when Ned Stark supported his own claim. "The Iron Throne is mine, by right. All those that deny that are my foes," Stannis says. But Renly is adamant that the "whole realm denies it," from Dorne to the Wall, and from the death rattles of old men and unborn children. "No one wants you for their king," Renly says. Stannis offers his brother one last night to submit. "Strike your banners, come to me before dawn and I will grant you your old seat in the council. I'll even name you my heir. Until a son is born to me. Otherwise I shall destroy you," Renly doesn't look afraid. He reminds him of the hundred thousand strong army behind him, the combined force of the Stormlands' houses loyal to him and the massive conglomeration of the Reach. "We shall see Renly. come the dawn, we shall see," is Stannis' reply. Melisandre tells Renly Baratheon to "Look to your sins, Lord Renly. The night is dark and full of terrors," and Stannis' contingent leaves. "Can you believe I loved him once?" says Renly.
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