History Recap / BigFinishDoctorWho014TheHolyTerror

7th Apr '18 9:59:04 AM TheAmazingBlachman
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* BigBad: [[spoiler:Eugene is this for the story, as he is the one who created the Castle as his SelfInflictedHell, killed his son in the first place, inflicting the emotional damage which will turn the Child into the killing machine he is, and though he is given the chance to pull a HeelFaceTurn at the end, he kills himself by way of the Child instead.]]

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* BigBad: [[spoiler:Eugene Eugene is this for the story, as he is the one who created the Castle as his SelfInflictedHell, killed his son in the first place, inflicting the emotional damage which will turn the Child into the killing machine he is, and though he is given the chance to pull a HeelFaceTurn at the end, he kills himself by way of the Child instead.]]
6th Apr '18 9:37:37 AM TheAmazingBlachman
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-->'''The Child[=/=]Eugene]]:''' Are you my father?

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-->'''The Child[=/=]Eugene]]:''' Child[=/=]Eugene:''' Are you my father?
6th Apr '18 9:37:06 AM TheAmazingBlachman
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* BastardBastard: Childeric, although he's not evil enough in Berengaria's eyes. [[spoiler:She's very, ''very'' wrong.]]

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* BastardBastard: Childeric, although he's not evil enough in Berengaria's eyes. [[spoiler:She's She's very, ''very'' wrong.]]



** [[spoiler:Childeric too, in a way, who is killed by [[HoistByHisOwnPetard his own creation]], the Child.]]

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** [[spoiler:Childeric Childeric too, in a way, who is killed by [[HoistByHisOwnPetard his own creation]], the Child.]]



* BuffySpeak: Frobisher is nearly constantly referred to as "the big talking bird", which makes the line [[spoiler:"all hail the big talking bird!"]] quite funny.

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* BuffySpeak: Frobisher is nearly constantly referred to as "the big talking bird", which makes the line [[spoiler:"all "All hail the big talking bird!"]] bird!" quite funny.



* DirtyCoward: [[spoiler: Clovis]] despite the fact he was trying to gear up for a HeroicSacrifice in contrast with his nature.

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* DirtyCoward: [[spoiler: Clovis]] Clovis despite the fact he was trying to gear up for a HeroicSacrifice in contrast with his nature.



* DownerEnding: ''Big time''. It's a [[spoiler: KillEmAll DreamApocalypse]].

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* DownerEnding: ''Big time''. It's a [[spoiler: KillEmAll DreamApocalypse]].DreamApocalypse, which only the Doctor and Frobisher, since they do not belong in the dreamworld, survives.



* EnfanteTerrible[=/=]RealityWarper: Childeric is trying to groom his son into one. [[spoiler:Well, Eugene's son. And it works ''far'' [[GoneHorriblyRight too well]].]]
* EpiphanicPrison: [[spoiler:Is this for Eugene.]]

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* EnfanteTerrible[=/=]RealityWarper: Childeric is trying to groom his son into one. [[spoiler:Well, Eugene's Well, ''Eugene''[='=]s son. And it works ''far'' [[GoneHorriblyRight too well]].]]
well]].
* EpiphanicPrison: [[spoiler:Is Is this for Eugene.]]



* EvilPlan: The bastard son is obligated to have one for the rebellion, but Childeric's plan [[spoiler:is ''much'' more evil than the Castle has ever seen before.]]

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* EvilPlan: The bastard son is obligated to have one for the rebellion, but Childeric's plan [[spoiler:is is ''much'' more evil than the Castle has ever seen before.]]



* FisherKing: [[spoiler: Eugene]] has this effect on the reality.

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* FisherKing: [[spoiler: Eugene]] Eugene has this effect on the reality.



* AGodAmI: Played with, [[spoiler:Frobisher is worshiped as being some sort of an angelic being ("All hail Frobisher! All hail the big talking bird!"). He is not comfortable with it at all.]] Also, the King is traditionally worshiped as a living God. This leads to problems, since each King invariably commits the ultimate blasphemy by ''dying.''

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* AGodAmI: Played with, [[spoiler:Frobisher Frobisher is worshiped as being some sort of an angelic being ("All hail Frobisher! All hail the big talking bird!"). He is not comfortable with it at all.]] Also, the King is traditionally worshiped as a living God. This leads to problems, since each King invariably commits the ultimate blasphemy by ''dying.''



* TheGrotesque: Childeric, Pepin's evil brother who plots to overthrow him. [[spoiler: He appears to be the villain of this story, but he really isn't.]]
* [[spoiler:GroundhogDayLoop: Unbeknownst to Eugene until the WeirdnessCensor shatters.]]

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* TheGrotesque: Childeric, Pepin's evil brother who plots to overthrow him. [[spoiler: He appears to be the villain of this story, but he really isn't.]]
isn't.
* [[spoiler:GroundhogDayLoop: GroundhogDayLoop: Unbeknownst to Eugene until the WeirdnessCensor shatters.]]



** [[spoiler:SenselessSacrifice: Pepin does this for his mother, and is killed by the Child. Depressingly, Berengaria is killed anyway.]]
* HoistByHisOwnPetard: [[spoiler: Childeric is killed by the Child when he is unable to keep him under control.]]

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** [[spoiler:SenselessSacrifice: SenselessSacrifice: Pepin does this for his mother, and is killed by the Child. Depressingly, Berengaria is killed anyway.]]
anyway.
* HoistByHisOwnPetard: [[spoiler: Childeric is killed by the Child when he is unable to keep him under control.]]



* {{Irony}}: [[spoiler: Scribes are not important]]? [[SelfInflictedHell They most certainly are]].
* JourneyToTheCenterOfTheMind: Beginning [[spoiler:the moment The Doctor and Frobisher step out of the TARDIS.]]
* [[spoiler:KillEmAll]]: [[spoiler:Livilla, Arnulf, Childeric, Pepin and Berengaria are all killed off over the course of the story, in that order. The trope is then taken UpToEleven in the final part, where its revealed that the entire castle is ficticious, created by Eugene's imagination, and even he is killed by The Child in the end, leaving only The Doctor, Frobisher and the empty void.]]

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* {{Irony}}: [[spoiler: Scribes are not important]]? [[SelfInflictedHell They most certainly are]].
are.
* JourneyToTheCenterOfTheMind: Beginning [[spoiler:the moment The Doctor and Frobisher step out of the TARDIS.]]
TARDIS.
* [[spoiler:KillEmAll]]: [[spoiler:Livilla, KillEmAll: Livilla, Arnulf, Childeric, Pepin and Berengaria are all killed off over the course of the story, in that order. The trope is then taken UpToEleven in the final part, where its revealed that the entire castle is ficticious, created by Eugene's imagination, and even he is killed by The Child in the end, leaving only The Doctor, Frobisher and the empty void.]]



* LastWords: [[spoiler:The Child restores Arnulf's voice only to hear his before he kills him.]]
* LukeIAmYourFather: [[spoiler:Subverted, and then played straight]]: [[spoiler:Childeric isn't the Child's father, but Eugene is.]]
* [[spoiler:MadwomanInTheAttic: Childeric's son in the vault]]

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* LastWords: [[spoiler:The The Child restores Arnulf's voice only to hear his before he kills him.]]
him.
* LukeIAmYourFather: [[spoiler:Subverted, Subverted, and then played straight]]: [[spoiler:Childeric isn't the Child's father, but Eugene is.]]
is.
* [[spoiler:MadwomanInTheAttic: MadwomanInTheAttic: Childeric's son in the vault]]vault



* [[spoiler:MindRape: What's actually going on. The entire castle serves as Eugene's punishment for the [[MoralEventHorizon murder of his own infant child]]. The Child also does this to The Doctor at one point.]]
* MeaningfulName[=/=]PunnyName: [[spoiler:''Child''eric.]]
* MerlinSickness: Forced on [[spoiler:Levilla]].
* MoodWhiplash: One of the most well-loved examples in Creator/BigFinish. The serial switches from a hilarious parody of stereotypical Shakespearean tragedy and suddenly becomes a [[spoiler:disturbing examination of destiny as the characters stare inevitable death in the face and a man's fractured mind is slowly torn apart before the Doctor and Frobisher's eyes.]]
** It's made even worse, as after the melancholy ending, we hear the ending theme followed immediately by [[spoiler: chantings of "All hail Frobisher, all hail the big talking bird!" to a techno beat.]]

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* [[spoiler:MindRape: MindRape: What's actually going on. The entire castle serves as Eugene's punishment for the [[MoralEventHorizon murder of his own infant child]]. The Child also does this to The Doctor at one point.]]
point.
* MeaningfulName[=/=]PunnyName: [[spoiler:''Child''eric.]]
''Child''eric.
* MerlinSickness: Forced on [[spoiler:Levilla]].
Levilla.
* MoodWhiplash: One of the most well-loved examples in Creator/BigFinish. The serial switches from a hilarious parody of stereotypical Shakespearean tragedy and suddenly becomes a [[spoiler:disturbing disturbing examination of destiny as the characters stare inevitable death in the face and a man's fractured mind is slowly torn apart before the Doctor and Frobisher's eyes.]]
eyes.
** It's made even worse, as after the melancholy ending, we hear the ending theme followed immediately by [[spoiler: chantings of "All hail Frobisher, all hail the big talking bird!" to a techno beat.]]



* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: At the end of the story, [[spoiler:Eugene experiences this when he remembers that he killed his son.]]

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* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: At the end of the story, [[spoiler:Eugene Eugene experiences this when he remembers that he killed his son.]]



* OffingTheOffspring: [[spoiler:Eugene's crime and the reason why he has been placed in the castle.]]

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* OffingTheOffspring: [[spoiler:Eugene's Eugene's crime and the reason why he has been placed in the castle.]]



* PsychologicalTormentZone[=/=]SelfInflictedHell: The Castle is this for [[spoiler: Eugene, who is stuck in it forever because of his own deeds, namely murdering his son.]]

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* PsychologicalTormentZone[=/=]SelfInflictedHell: The Castle is this for [[spoiler: Eugene, who is stuck in it forever because of his own deeds, namely murdering his son.]]



* SharingABody: Childeric plans this. [[spoiler: He dies]].

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* SharingABody: Childeric plans this. [[spoiler: He dies]].dies.



* ThereAreNoCoincidences: All of the bibles end [[spoiler:''exactly'' on the last page. Strangely enough, Pepin's seems to be very thin.]]
* TongueTrauma: Childeric does this in order to mute his servant, and almost to [[spoiler:Eugene]].

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* ThereAreNoCoincidences: All of the bibles end [[spoiler:''exactly'' ''exactly'' on the last page. Strangely enough, Pepin's seems to be very thin.]]
thin.
* TongueTrauma: Childeric does this in order to mute his servant, and almost to [[spoiler:Eugene]].Eugene.



-->'''[[spoiler:The Child]]/[[spoiler:Eugene]]''': Are you my father?

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-->'''[[spoiler:The Child]]/[[spoiler:Eugene]]''': -->'''The Child[=/=]Eugene]]:''' Are you my father?
6th Apr '18 9:32:21 AM TheAmazingBlachman
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->'''The Doctor''': "If itís any consolation, they were never real in the first place."

->'''Frobisher''': "No, Doc Ė thatís no consolation. They thought they were real, didnít they?"

->'''The Doctor''': "Just like the fish in the swimming pool Ö they felt pain, they felt fear Ö and more than that, they had hopes, and dreams and families. Yes. It is terrible. But thatís what comes of traveling in the TARDIS. All the people you meet, all the planets you see: you know they wonít last forever. And our next journey could be to a time when theyíll all have been long forgotten. Such little lives Ö that we could feel like gods, set apart from them all."

->'''Frobisher''': "And Ö thatís supposed to make me feel better?"

->'''The Doctor''': "No. No, not at all."

->'''Frobisher''': "For a while back there, Doc Ö I actually felt I could do some good! I actually felt I could save them all."

->'''The Doctor''': "I know, Frobisher. Believe me ... I know."


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->'''The Doctor''': "If itís Doctor:''' If it's any consolation, they were never real in the first place."

->'''Frobisher''': "No,
\\
'''Frobisher:''' No,
Doc Ė thatís -- that's no consolation. They thought they were real, didnít they?"

->'''The Doctor''': "Just
didn't they?\\
'''The Doctor:''' Just
like the fish in the swimming pool Ö pool... they felt pain, they felt fear Ö fear... and more than that, they had hopes, and dreams and families. Yes. It is terrible. But thatís that's what comes of traveling travelling in the TARDIS. All the people you meet, all the planets you see: you know they wonít won't last forever. And our next journey could be to a time when theyíll they'll all have been long forgotten. Such little lives Ö lives... that we could feel like gods, set apart from them all."

->'''Frobisher''': "And Ö thatís
\\
'''Frobisher:''' And... that's
supposed to make me feel better?"

->'''The Doctor''': "No.
better?\\
'''The Doctor:''' No.
No, not at all."

->'''Frobisher''': "For
\\
'''Frobisher:''' For
a while back there, Doc Ö Doc... I actually felt I could do some good! I actually felt I could save them all."

->'''The Doctor''': "I
\\
'''The Doctor:''' I
know, Frobisher. Believe me ... I know."

me... ''I know''.


Added DiffLines:

* OffingTheOffspring: [[spoiler:Eugene's crime and the reason why he has been placed in the castle.]]
5th Jan '18 6:12:24 AM moloch
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%%* {{Absurdism}}
%%* AbdicateTheThrone

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%%* {{Absurdism}}\n%%* AbdicateTheThrone* {{Absurdism}}: Capital-A Absurd black comedy is par for the course with Robert Shearman episodes.
* AbdicateTheThrone: Pepin's plan, but the "story" is trying to force him not to.



%%* CreepyBasement

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%%* CreepyBasement* CreepyBasement: With a CreepyChild in it.



* [[spoiler:DownerEnding]]: ''Big time''. See [[spoiler:KillEmAll]].
* [[spoiler:DreamApocalypse]]: [[spoiler:The Child's massacre]] ends up being this.

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* [[spoiler:DownerEnding]]: DownerEnding: ''Big time''. See [[spoiler:KillEmAll]].
* [[spoiler:DreamApocalypse]]: [[spoiler:The Child's massacre]] ends up being this.
It's a [[spoiler: KillEmAll DreamApocalypse]].



* FisherKing: [[spoiler:Eugene]] has this effect on the reality.

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* FisherKing: [[spoiler:Eugene]] [[spoiler: Eugene]] has this effect on the reality.



* [[spoiler:PocketDimension: The Castle.]]

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* [[spoiler:PocketDimension: PocketDimension: The Castle.]]Castle itself is one.



* [[spoiler:PsychologicalTormentZone[=/=]SelfInflictedHell: The Castle is this for Eugene, who is stuck in it forever because of his own deeds, namely murdering his son.]]

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* [[spoiler:PsychologicalTormentZone[=/=]SelfInflictedHell: PsychologicalTormentZone[=/=]SelfInflictedHell: The Castle is this for [[spoiler: Eugene, who is stuck in it forever because of his own deeds, namely murdering his son.]]



* ThemeNaming: Characters are named after French or Roman royals famous for scheming and backstabbing. Tacitus is named after the general and historian of the same era as the Roman namesakes.



* WorldLimitedToThePlot: Because the plot is everything to this world.

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* WorldLimitedToThePlot: Because the plot "plot" really is everything to this world.
8th Dec '17 5:15:57 PM moloch
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This was the first Creator/BigFinish episode to feature the shape-shifting companion Frobisher, from the ''Magazine/DoctorWhoMagazine'' comics. It's also Creator/StevenMoffat's favourite Sixth Doctor episode in all of ''Series/DoctorWho''.

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This was the first Creator/BigFinish episode to feature the shape-shifting companion Frobisher, from the ''Magazine/DoctorWhoMagazine'' comics. It's also Creator/StevenMoffat's favourite Sixth Doctor episode in all of ''Series/DoctorWho''.
''Series/DoctorWho'', and it was a clear influence on his own [[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E11HeavenSent "Heaven Sent"]].
24th Nov '17 10:20:19 AM nombretomado
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* {{Existentialism}}: Frobisher says heaven doesn't exist and this brings Peppin down.
4th Jun '16 2:09:34 AM erforce
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* ShoutOut: When Pepin addresses his people, it seems very much like MontyPythonsLifeOfBrian.

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* ShoutOut: When Pepin addresses his people, it seems very much like MontyPythonsLifeOfBrian.''Film/MontyPythonsLifeOfBrian''.
6th Oct '15 3:45:26 PM LahmacunKebab
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%%* EpiphanicPrison

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%%* EpiphanicPrison* EpiphanicPrison: [[spoiler:Is this for Eugene.]]



* ThereAreNoCoincidences: All of the bibles end [[spoiler:''exactly'' on the last page. Strangely enough, Pepin's seems to be ver thin.]]

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* ThereAreNoCoincidences: All of the bibles end [[spoiler:''exactly'' on the last page. Strangely enough, Pepin's seems to be ver very thin.]]



%%* WorldLimitedToThePlot

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%%* WorldLimitedToThePlot* WorldLimitedToThePlot: Because the plot is everything to this world.
29th Sep '15 9:38:12 AM TLYoungPro
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->'''The Doctor''': "If itís any consolation, they were never real in the first place."

->'''Frobisher''': "No, Doc Ė thatís no consolation. They thought they were real, didnít they?"

->'''The Doctor''': "Just like the fish in the swimming pool Ö they felt pain, they felt fear Ö and more than that, they had hopes, and dreams and families. Yes. It is terrible. But thatís what comes of traveling in the TARDIS. All the people you meet, all the planets you see: you know they wonít last forever. And our next journey could be to a time when theyíll all have been long forgotten. Such little lives Ö that we could feel like gods, set apart from them all."

->'''Frobisher''': "And Ö thatís supposed to make me feel better?"

->'''The Doctor''': "No. No, not at all."

->'''Frobisher''': "For a while back there, Doc Ö I actually felt I could do some good! I actually felt I could save them all."

->'''The Doctor''': "I know, Frobisher. Believe me ... I know."

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