History RealityEnsues / AnimeAndManga

20th Aug '16 7:50:18 AM KingLyger
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** The other plot of the manga besides murdering Koro-Sensei is the Class-E system where failing students are purposefully segregated into a single "classroom" (a run down building far away from the actual school), bullied and tormented by both students ''and'' teachers (which is engineered by the chairman of the school) and automatic expulsion at the end of the year if they can't raise their grades above a certain threshold. The students are also not taught part of a certain subject matter before an important test ''because'' Koro-Sensei had been teaching his students too well. So, what would happen if word of this system gets out? [[spoiler: ''National. Public. Outrage''. Asano Sr. is forced out of his position as chairman in disgrace near the end of the manga.]]
*** [[spoiler: The Japanese government and Self-Defense Force knowingly placed an EldritchAbomination inside a school as a teacher (a [[CoolTeacher really good one]], though) and ordered a class of 15-year olds to kill it. When this gets out to the public as well, they are horrified and disgusted and, while we only see the backlash against the school for allowing it, it probably ended a few political and military careers as well.]]

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** The other plot of the manga besides murdering Koro-Sensei is the Class-E system where failing students are purposefully segregated into a single "classroom" (a in a run down building far away from the actual school), school. This class is bullied and tormented by both their fellow students ''and'' teachers (which is engineered by the chairman of the school) and teachers, with automatic expulsion at the end of the year if they can't raise their grades above a certain threshold.threshold, all of which is engineered by the chairman of the school. The students are also not taught part of a certain subject matter before an important test ''because'' Koro-Sensei had been teaching his students too well. So, what would happen if [[spoiler:When word of this system gets out? [[spoiler: ''National. Public. Outrage''.out, there's national public outrage over it. Asano Sr. is forced out of his position as chairman in disgrace near the end of the manga.]]
*** [[spoiler: The Japanese government and Self-Defense Force knowingly placed an EldritchAbomination inside a school as a teacher (a [[CoolTeacher really good one]], though) and ordered a class of 15-year olds 15-year-old kids to kill it. When this gets out to the public as well, they are horrified and disgusted and, while disgusted, too. While we only see the backlash against the school for allowing it, it probably ended a few political and military careers as well.]]
19th Aug '16 7:40:51 PM ultimomant
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** When Nanao finally fights, she is revealed to be very powerful. However, since she had been kept off the front lines for so long and lacks battlefield experience, she quickly loses her nerve and freezes up. Kyoraku has to come to her side and bolster her confidence for her to get back in the fight.
12th Aug '16 11:43:11 PM WillBGood
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*** Because of the Alliance's continuous war and young birth, it's economy is very fragile.

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*** Because of the Alliance's continuous war and young birth, it's its economy is very fragile.
12th Aug '16 11:42:01 PM WillBGood
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** [[SeriousBusiness So you have a children's card game that seems to be the perfect conduit for magical rituals]], [[AndIMustScream losing can mean mystical punishment]], and has even evolved to the point where you have technology to make the card games come to life. Humans take notice of this fact and weaponize the card game into tools of war, [[spoiler: bringing an entire dimension to it's knees]]. Many, [[DeconstructorFleet many]] smaller examples are also present, such as CuttingTheKnot, characters calmly talking through their problems as opposed to letting miscommunication create unnecessary drama, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking and people actually following the rules of the card game and building realistic decks similar to the ones many real-life players use]].

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** [[SeriousBusiness So you have a children's card game that seems to be the perfect conduit for magical rituals]], losing can mean [[AndIMustScream losing can mean mystical punishment]], and has even evolved to the point where you have technology to make the card games come to life. Humans take notice of this fact and weaponize the card game into tools of war, [[spoiler: bringing an entire dimension to it's its knees]]. Many, [[DeconstructorFleet many]] smaller examples are also present, such as CuttingTheKnot, characters calmly talking through their problems as opposed to letting miscommunication create unnecessary drama, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking and people actually following the rules of the card game and building realistic decks similar to the ones many real-life players use]].
12th Aug '16 11:40:59 PM WillBGood
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** It shows what would happen when a MedievalEuropeanFantasy army equipped with swords, shields, spears, and arrows face off a modern army like the JSDF equipped with machine guns, tanks, artillery, and helicopters. [[CurbstompBattle A complete slaughter...]][[spoiler:for the former that is.]] [[FromBadToWorse Then the battle moves from Ginza to open fields, and the JSDF can stop holding back because there's no risk to cause collateral damage anymore]].

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** It shows what would happen when a MedievalEuropeanFantasy army equipped with swords, shields, spears, and arrows face off a modern army like the JSDF equipped with machine guns, tanks, artillery, and helicopters. [[CurbstompBattle A complete slaughter...]][[spoiler:for the former that is.]] [[FromBadToWorse Then the battle moves from Ginza to open fields, and [[FromBadToWorse the JSDF can stop holding back back]] because there's no risk to cause of collateral damage anymore]].anymore.
12th Aug '16 11:18:41 PM WillBGood
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** Also, [[spoiler: Tampering with the SevenSinsOfScience can backfire on you, even regardless whether or not you expect or try to escape the consequences.]]

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** %%** Also, [[spoiler: Tampering with the SevenSinsOfScience can backfire on you, even regardless whether or not you expect or try to escape the consequences.]]
7th Aug '16 8:15:59 PM WillBGood
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** A rare case of the more ''antagonistic'' forces comes up within the DeadlyCourt in the Lippstadt rebellion, with many of its leading characters being [[GloryHound Glory Hounds]] in their "crusade" against Reinhard. Many of the nobles still continue to backstab each other and either interfere or reject advice from their competent military commanders. And certainly doesn't work when set the example of DisproportionateRetribution by nuking an entire planet to death for a little protest against exploitation. Reinhard and his allies shows the act of a GloryHound done right with a competent military force and a well-united leadership with a backbone, all becoming embodiments of noblesse oblige.

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** A rare case of the more ''antagonistic'' forces comes up within the DeadlyCourt DeadlyDecadentCourt in the Lippstadt rebellion, with many of its leading characters being [[GloryHound Glory Hounds]] {{Glory Hound}}s in their "crusade" against Reinhard. Many of the nobles still continue to backstab each other and either interfere or reject advice from their competent military commanders. And certainly doesn't work when set the example of DisproportionateRetribution by nuking an entire planet to death for a little protest against exploitation. Reinhard and his allies shows the act of a GloryHound done right with a competent military force and a well-united leadership with a backbone, all becoming embodiments of noblesse oblige.



* ''LightNovel/{{Shimoneta}}'' shows the consequences of a world where people can't express or even understand their sexual desires. Case and point, [[spoiler: Anna]] breaks into Tanukichi's house and tries to rape him. Without an understanding of consent or lewdness, she doesn't see anything wrong with this, since she [[{{Yandere}} "loves him."]] She only fails because she doesn't understand how penetrative sex works either. And no, DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale does ''not'' apply here.

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* ''LightNovel/{{Shimoneta}}'' shows the consequences of a world where people can't express or even understand their sexual desires. Case and in point, [[spoiler: Anna]] breaks into Tanukichi's house and tries to rape him. Without an understanding of consent or lewdness, she doesn't see anything wrong with this, since she [[{{Yandere}} "loves him."]] She only fails because she doesn't understand how penetrative sex works either. And no, DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale does ''not'' apply here.
7th Aug '16 8:11:05 PM WillBGood
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* ''Manga/DetectiveConan'' kicks off it's entire plot with a RealityEnsues moment: We're introduced to Shinichi Kudo (Jimmy Kudo in English) a hotshot modern day SherlockHolmes. He's shown solving a couple of complex murders to establish his character, then he goes off and spies on a couple of suspicious guys in black trenchcoats...only to get nailed in the back of the head and force-fed poison. Hotshot ace detective or no, going off to follow a couple of thugs without any backup (not even, say, the trained martial artist currently accompanying you) was a stupid plan, Shinichi.

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* ''Manga/DetectiveConan'' kicks off it's its entire plot with a RealityEnsues moment: We're introduced to Shinichi Kudo (Jimmy Kudo in English) a hotshot modern day SherlockHolmes. He's shown solving a couple of complex murders to establish his character, then he goes off and spies on a couple of suspicious guys in black trenchcoats...only to get nailed in the back of the head and force-fed poison. Hotshot ace detective or no, going off to follow a couple of thugs without any backup (not even, say, the trained martial artist currently accompanying you) was a stupid plan, Shinichi.
7th Aug '16 9:55:07 AM DangerArtistNexus60
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* ''LightNovel/SwordArtOnline''
** One of the main themes is that any [[IKnowMortalKombat strengths gained in the VRMMOs]] doesn't really translate into the real world, as Kirito finds out.
** The other main theme is that virtual reality isn't as real as 'real' reality. The relevant corollary is that you can't use game logic or meta-logic to get by in a VRMMO. Problems are solved by negotiation, planning, foresight, and flexibility, not hitting things until they submit.
** The Aincrad arc ends with a duel between Kirito and the avatar of Kayaba, with Kirito's LoveInterest Asuna TakingTheBullet for an attack that would have killed him and dying in his arms. After she dies he picks up her fallen sword and stands to attack Kayaba, so RoaringRampageOfRevenge right? He then proceeds to swing his sword vaguely in Kayaba's direction, not even looking at him, mentally broken and incapable of continuing the fight in a meaningful fashion.
** In Aincrad, death is final, meaning that anyone who dies will die for real.
** The SAO incident was scandalous to the point that Argus goes bankrupt and sells off its assets to another company. Likewise, news of Nobuyuki Sugou's experiments is leaked and results in RECT Progress Inc. collapsing due to the lawsuits and poor publicity from said news, and sells their assets to another company.
** Kikuoka implies that had the authorities not intervened, the SAO incident would have blown up into an even more massive scandal and that the survivors would be constantly hounded by the media. Which would plausibly happen if something like the show happened in real life.
** At the end of the [=ALFheim=] Online arc it's revealed that the VRMMO market was basically annihilated after ''two'' high-profile controversies where innocent people were used for experiments or to satisfy someone's god-complex, which is indeed what would happen if thousands of people died in two years in one MMO because they weren't allowed to leave, and twenty people were kept in their comas and used for brain experiements in the other. If it weren't for Kayaba giving Kirito a data seed to create new worlds, the market would have completely died.
** In the Aincrad arc, Nishida, who worked on Sword Art Online, notes that he's in no hurry to leave Aincrad, because since he's in a technical occupation, his skills are completely outdated after two years trapped inside. Similarly, once they leave Aincrad, the survivors are behind in various ways (when Kirito's sister notes that he was a good student, he says that was before he went into SAO), and so apply to a special school for survivors, which the government establishes in part as a means of monitoring them for antisocial tendencies.

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* ''LightNovel/SwordArtOnline''
** One of
''LightNovel/SwordArtOnline'': the main themes is are that any [[IKnowMortalKombat strengths gained in the VRMMOs]] doesn't really translate into the real world, as Kirito finds out.
** The other main theme is that
out; virtual reality isn't as real as 'real' reality. The reality so the relevant corollary is corollary's that you can't use game logic or meta-logic to get by in a VRMMO. Problems VRMMO; and in Aincrad, [[AllDeathsFinal death is final, meaning that anyone who dies will die for real]] so problems are solved by negotiation, planning, foresight, and flexibility, not hitting things until they submit.
** The Aincrad initial arc ends with a duel between Kirito and the avatar of Kayaba, with Kirito's LoveInterest Asuna TakingTheBullet for an attack that would have killed him and dying in his arms. After she dies dies, he picks up her fallen sword and stands to attack Kayaba, so RoaringRampageOfRevenge right? He then proceeds to swing his sword vaguely in Kayaba's direction, not even looking at him, mentally broken and incapable of continuing the fight in a meaningful fashion.
** In Aincrad, death is final, meaning that anyone who dies will die for real.
**
The SAO incident was scandalous to the point that Argus goes bankrupt and sells off its assets to another company. Likewise, company; likewise, news of Nobuyuki Sugou's experiments is are leaked and results in RECT Progress Inc. collapsing due to the lawsuits and poor publicity from said news, and sells their assets to another company.
** *** Kikuoka implies that had the authorities not intervened, the SAO incident would have blown up into an even more massive scandal and that the survivors would be constantly hounded by the media. Which would plausibly happen if something like the show happened in real life.
** *** At the end of the [=ALFheim=] Online arc arc, it's revealed that the VRMMO market was basically annihilated after ''two'' high-profile controversies where innocent people were used for experiments or to satisfy someone's god-complex, which is indeed what would happen if thousands of people died in two years in one MMO because they weren't allowed to leave, and twenty people were kept in their comas and used for brain experiements in the other. If it weren't for Kayaba giving Kirito a data seed to create new worlds, [[DeaderThanDisco the market would have completely died.
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died]].
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In the Aincrad arc, Nishida, who worked on Sword Art Online, notes that he's in no hurry to leave Aincrad, because since he's in a technical occupation, his skills are completely outdated after two years trapped inside. Similarly, once they leave Aincrad, the survivors are behind in various ways (when Kirito's sister notes that he was a good student, he says that was before he went into SAO), and so apply to a special school for survivors, which the government establishes in part as a means of monitoring them for antisocial tendencies.
6th Aug '16 5:04:15 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* The initial premise of ''LightNovel/Overlord2012'' is a virtual reality MMO player becoming his avatar for real after staying logged in when the servers were permanently shut off. As soon as he confirms this is actually happening, he [[GenreSavvy instantly realizes]] he's vulnerable to this trope and carefully considers what to do about it. For the first few volumes, Ainz acts as conservatively as he can get away with, pumping his underlings (a considerable horde of them - he did suddenly become the titular Overlord) for information and making very detailed observations about how the New World works. This works out in the long run, as [[HighFantasy High]] DarkFantasy world or not, the New World runs on {{Realpolitik}}, ugly and violent battles, and wars that can [[WarIsHell traumatize an entire nation]].

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* The initial premise of ''LightNovel/Overlord2012'' is a virtual reality MMO player becoming his avatar for real after staying logged in when the servers were permanently shut off. As soon as he confirms this is actually happening, he [[GenreSavvy instantly realizes]] realizes he's vulnerable to this trope and carefully considers what to do about it. For the first few volumes, Ainz acts as conservatively as he can get away with, pumping his underlings (a considerable horde of them - he did suddenly become the titular Overlord) for information and making very detailed observations about how the New World works. This works out in the long run, as [[HighFantasy High]] DarkFantasy world or not, the New World runs on {{Realpolitik}}, ugly and violent battles, and wars that can [[WarIsHell traumatize an entire nation]].
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