History RealLife / CoolBoat

23rd Aug '16 7:47:51 PM MadCat221
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** Don't know why they thought the "old" armament needed help. The nine 16-inch guns could each fire a 2,000-pound projectile over 20 miles, leaving an impact crater the size of a ''football field''. [[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/Uss_iowa_bb-61_pr.jpg Looks as cool as it sounds]].
*** Because the old armament is completely helpless against even small missile boats which would laugh at ''only'' 20 miles of range. Small missile boats can pack missiles with ranges over ''three times that much'', at least. It needed those upgrades to not be a complete sitting duck against modern weaponry. Not to mention that the 20 anti ship missiles of the Kirov class missile cruisers, which the Iowas were supposed to counter, had a range about 12 times as great as the Harpoon anti ship missiles used by the Iowas, were supersonic and were designed to be fired in salvos of 4 or 8 with all missiles in a salvo cooperating to destroy the target.
23rd Aug '16 7:43:39 PM MadCat221
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** ''Constitution'' and her sister ships were designed to be [[LightningBruiser Lightning Bruisers]], able to significantly outmatch the Royal Navy's ships of the same class, and outrun anything that outclassed them in gunnery (such as [[MightyGlaciers Ships of The Line]]). They were built with reinforced hulls made of exceptionally hard southern live oak. Since the ''Constitution'' and the other 5 frigates in her class constituted the ''entire'' US Navy, (most major navies at the time had 200 ships; the Royal Navy had more than 600) it was essential that the ships could defeat any other frigate and sail away from anything larger.

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** ''Constitution'' and her sister ships were designed to be [[LightningBruiser Lightning Bruisers]], able to significantly outmatch the Royal Navy's ships of the same class, and outrun anything that outclassed them in gunnery (such as [[MightyGlaciers [[MightyGlacier Ships of The Line]]). They were built with reinforced hulls made of exceptionally hard southern live oak. Since the ''Constitution'' and the other 5 frigates in her class constituted the ''entire'' US Navy, (most major navies at the time had 200 ships; the Royal Navy had more than 600) it was essential that the ships could defeat any other frigate and sail away from anything larger.
23rd Aug '16 7:43:26 PM MadCat221
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** ''Constitution'' and her sister ships were designed to out match by a significant margin the Royal Navy's ships of the same class, and were built with reinforced hulls made of exceptionally hard southern live oak. Since the ''Constitution'' and the other 5 frigates in her class constituted the ''entire'' US Navy, (most major navies at the time had 200 ships; the Royal Navy had more than 600) it was essential that the ships could defeat any other frigate and sail away from anything larger.

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** ''Constitution'' and her sister ships were designed to out match by a significant margin be [[LightningBruiser Lightning Bruisers]], able to significantly outmatch the Royal Navy's ships of the same class, and outrun anything that outclassed them in gunnery (such as [[MightyGlaciers Ships of The Line]]). They were built with reinforced hulls made of exceptionally hard southern live oak. Since the ''Constitution'' and the other 5 frigates in her class constituted the ''entire'' US Navy, (most major navies at the time had 200 ships; the Royal Navy had more than 600) it was essential that the ships could defeat any other frigate and sail away from anything larger.
23rd Aug '16 7:41:03 PM MadCat221
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* ''USS Constitution'', better known as Old Ironsides, is the oldest ship still afloat, having been built in 1797. During the War of 1812, she sank several British ships, raising the morale of the Navy. The ship's hull was so strong that cannonballs bounced off her like she was MadeOfIron, hence her nickname. Note that she's actually made of wood.

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* ''USS Constitution'', better known as Old Ironsides, is the oldest ship commissioned warship still afloat, having been built in 1797. During the War of 1812, she sank several British ships, raising the morale of the Navy. The ship's hull was so strong that cannonballs bounced off her like she was MadeOfIron, hence her nickname. Note that she's actually made of wood.
9th Aug '16 4:00:33 PM nombretomado
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* Two absurdly dangerous ships that don't receive much attention. The two first true minelayers, ''Amur'' and her sister-ship ''Yenisey'' (named after the rivers on Far East) carried 300 {{sea mine}}s each, and at that time the Russian Empire probably had the best ones. The co-designer and captain of ''Yenisey'' built her to lay minefields while making 10 knots, a previously unheard-of capability; on that basis he proposed an offensive minelaying doctrine, relying on the class's speed to protect them while laying minefields to deny enemy ports. When these ships were designed, the Russo-Japanese war was inconceivable; the minelayers were intended as a weapon to "[[DecadesOfDarkness end the Great Game in checkmate]]" (together with the rest of Russian and allied Japanese fleet, of course) and most likely able to do it, not to hide in a port each morning. In the war for which they weren't made, minelayers accomplished little, but on 14 May 1904 ''Hatsuse'' and ''Yashima'' blew up and sunk in a minefield near Port Arthur, left by Amur on their patrol route -- and that was two Japanese battleships more than ''the whole Russian fleet'' managed to destroy at Tsushima. This minefield was mere 1/6 of the Amur's full load and not quite the sort of tactics this ship was supposed to use.

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* Two absurdly dangerous ships that don't receive much attention. The two first true minelayers, ''Amur'' and her sister-ship ''Yenisey'' (named after the rivers on Far East) carried 300 {{sea mine}}s each, and at that time the Russian Empire probably had the best ones. The co-designer and captain of ''Yenisey'' built her to lay minefields while making 10 knots, a previously unheard-of capability; on that basis he proposed an offensive minelaying doctrine, relying on the class's speed to protect them while laying minefields to deny enemy ports. When these ships were designed, the Russo-Japanese war was inconceivable; the minelayers were intended as a weapon to "[[DecadesOfDarkness "[[Literature/DecadesOfDarkness end the Great Game in checkmate]]" (together with the rest of Russian and allied Japanese fleet, of course) and most likely able to do it, not to hide in a port each morning. In the war for which they weren't made, minelayers accomplished little, but on 14 May 1904 ''Hatsuse'' and ''Yashima'' blew up and sunk in a minefield near Port Arthur, left by Amur on their patrol route -- and that was two Japanese battleships more than ''the whole Russian fleet'' managed to destroy at Tsushima. This minefield was mere 1/6 of the Amur's full load and not quite the sort of tactics this ship was supposed to use.
31st Jul '16 1:39:26 AM kouta
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** The Akizuki class had nowhere near the AA firepower of an American destroyer (while their 10cm main guns were superior to the American 5 inch guns for AA purposes, American destroyers had large numbers of the superb 40mm Bofors autocannons while the Akizuki class, like all Japanese ships, had to settle for the far from superb 25mm Hotchkiss), let alone the AA capability of an American Light or Heavy Cruiser (both had 16 radar guided 5" AA cannons) or an American Battleship (20 radar guided 5" AA cannons). Throughout WWII The US was quite afraid of Japanese torpedoes beceause Japanese Torpedoes used pure oxygen as their oxidizer and Japanese Torpedoes weren't as prone to misfiring or exploding as either American, British, or German Torpedoes.
*** To make things even worse for the Japanese, the American 5" cannons were secondary dual purpose weapons. An American Heavy Cruiser, like the USS Indianapolis, typically had about nine 8" guns. Modern warships generally don't have guns that large.

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** The Akizuki class had nowhere near the AA firepower of an American destroyer (while their 10cm main guns were superior to the American 5 inch guns for AA purposes, American destroyers had large numbers of the superb 40mm Bofors autocannons while the Akizuki class, like all Japanese ships, had to settle for the far from superb 25mm Hotchkiss), let alone the AA capability of an American Light or Heavy Cruiser (both had up to 16 radar guided 5" AA cannons) or an American Battleship (20 (up to 20 radar guided 5" AA cannons). Throughout WWII The US was quite afraid of Japanese torpedoes beceause Japanese Torpedoes used pure oxygen as their oxidizer and Japanese Torpedoes weren't as prone to misfiring or exploding as either American, British, or German Torpedoes.
*** To make things even worse for the Japanese, the American 5" cannons were secondary dual purpose weapons. An American Heavy Cruiser, like the USS Indianapolis, typically had about nine 8" guns. Modern warships generally don't have guns that large.



* Arguably, Brunel's SS Great Eastern. OK, she was a commercial failure in terms of her intended role as a passenger ship, on the other hand she successfully laid the cables that for the first time enabled transatlantic telegraph communications between the US and UK, and her double-hull and generally ridiculously over-engineered design enabled her to brush off damage that was FAR worse than that which would sink the Titanic 50 years later. Also, she was 6 times bigger and twice as fast as any other merchant ship of her time - imagine if someone were to launch a 3 million ton, 90 knot supertanker these days and you'll get the idea!.

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* Arguably, Brunel's SS Great Eastern. OK, she was a commercial failure in terms of her intended role as a passenger ship, on the other hand she successfully laid the cables that for the first time enabled transatlantic telegraph communications between the US and UK, and her double-hull and generally ridiculously over-engineered design enabled her to brush off damage that was FAR worse than that which would sink the Titanic 50 years later. Also, she was 6 times bigger and twice as fast as any other merchant ship of her time.
** To put the size of the SS Great Eastern - and how far ahead of her
time she was - imagine if someone were to launch into perspective: she displaced about as much as a 3 million ton, 90 knot supertanker these days large WWI-era battleship, was about 40' longer than the HMS Queen Elisabeth, and you'll get designed to sail from the idea!.British Isles to Australia without refueling ... using 1850s technology.
31st May '16 8:39:38 AM Doug86
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* Speaking of the RMS Olympic, she was a badass LongRunner in her own right too. Launched in 1910 with her maiden voyage in 1911, the Titanic's elder sister seemed to have all the luck in the world compared to the RMS Titanic and Britannic. While not built for speed compared to the Cunard Line's Lusitania and Mauretania, the Olympic and Titanic oozed luxury from every rivet and every plate. The Olympic also had the mishap of smacking her stern into the HMS Hawke, but proved to the world that her revolutionary watertight compartments could hold her from sinking. It got better for the Olympic going into WorldWarI, serving as a dazzle-painted troop transport that not only was able to rescue the sunken crew from the mine-struck HMS Audacious but [[CrazyAwesome RAM A GODDAMN U-BOAT]] in her war service! It's no wonder the elder White Star Sister came to be known as "Old Reliable" and lasted in regular service until 1935, when Cunard and White Star were forced to merge.

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* Speaking of the RMS Olympic, she was a badass LongRunner in her own right too. Launched in 1910 with her maiden voyage in 1911, the Titanic's elder sister seemed to have all the luck in the world compared to the RMS Titanic and Britannic. While not built for speed compared to the Cunard Line's Lusitania and Mauretania, the Olympic and Titanic oozed luxury from every rivet and every plate. The Olympic also had the mishap of smacking her stern into the HMS Hawke, but proved to the world that her revolutionary watertight compartments could hold her from sinking. It got better for the Olympic going into WorldWarI, UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, serving as a dazzle-painted troop transport that not only was able to rescue the sunken crew from the mine-struck HMS Audacious but [[CrazyAwesome RAM A GODDAMN U-BOAT]] in her war service! It's no wonder the elder White Star Sister came to be known as "Old Reliable" and lasted in regular service until 1935, when Cunard and White Star were forced to merge.
24th May '16 12:33:36 PM oakleaf
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* The Russians have the Alfa class, the fastest military subs built. Their compact reactors were cooled by molten lead (no, really), and they could do up to 50 mph submerged.
5th May '16 8:27:45 PM atatatat4
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*** Also of the four, the ''Missouri'' or as it's known "[[AwesomeMcCoolName Mighty Mo]]" or "[[AwesomeMcCoolName Big Mo]]" actually saw use in the 21st century. In ''Film/{{Battleship}}'', the ship used to portray the ''Missouri'' is the actual ''Missouri'', which is a real life museum and, prior to filming, had not sailed in over a decade. The reactivation we see onscreen is her actual reactivation and first voyage in years, crewed entirely by actual veterans.

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*** Also of the four, the ''Missouri'' or as it's known "[[AwesomeMcCoolName Mighty Mo]]" or "[[AwesomeMcCoolName Big Mo]]" actually saw use in the 21st century. In ''Film/{{Battleship}}'', the ship used to portray the ''Missouri'' is the actual ''Missouri'', which is a real life museum and, prior to filming, had not sailed in over a decade. The reactivation we see onscreen is her actual reactivation and first voyage in years, crewed entirely by actual veterans. [[note]]Except that it's been stated that the shots were actually captured with the help of three tugboats.[[http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2012/05/21/battleship_movie_and_the_u_s_s_missouri_is_the_u_s_s_missouri_really_still_seaworthy_.html]][[/note]]
12th Mar '16 1:02:29 AM SSJMagus
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* The carrier [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Yorktown_%28CV-5%29 USS Yorktown (CV-5)]] surely has to qualify. She sustained three bomb hits, one of which punched right through the flight deck armor and killed sixty-six of her crew, and another twelve damage-causing near-misses at the Battle of Coral Sea -- the first battle in which aircraft carriers directly opposed one another, and for that reason also the first in which neither side's ships sighted or fired directly upon the other. Initial repair estimate: three months. Upon arriving in Pearl Harbour 18 days later the estimate had shrunk to two weeks in drydock. The yard dogs turned her loose [[ScottyTime 48 hours later]] to participate in the Battle of Midway. At Midway on June 4, she took three severe bomb hits but was back underway in a hour, just in time to receive two torpedo hits. With a 26 degree list, she was deemed unsafe and abandoned. A salvage party arrived June 6 to right the ship and were making good progress when two more torpedoes struck. Finally, a sinking destroyer's magazine exploded, blowing equipment off the ship, sending internal fixtures flying about, and breaking bones among the salvage party. The USS ''Yorktown'' [[RasputinianDeath finally sank on June 7, 1942]] at 7:01 am before a second salvage attempt could be made. The near miraculous recoveries [[NoOneCouldSurviveThat convinced the Japanese they had sunk a different, undamaged carrier three times]] (thus actually believing at first that Midway was at least a stalemate, and reporting home that ''Yorktown'', ''Enterprise'' and ''Hornet'' had all been sunk[[note]]In fact, this would've made Midway something of a strategic victory for Japan had it been true, since it would've left USS ''Saratoga'' as the entirety of the US Pacific Fleet's carrier force.[[/note]]); once at Coral Sea and twice at Midway. "The Fighting Lady" was one tough mother.

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* The carrier [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Yorktown_%28CV-5%29 USS Yorktown (CV-5)]] surely has to qualify. She sustained three bomb hits, one of which punched right through the flight deck armor and killed sixty-six of her crew, and another twelve damage-causing near-misses at the Battle of Coral Sea -- the first battle in which aircraft carriers directly opposed one another, and for that reason also the first in which neither side's ships sighted or fired directly upon the other. Initial repair estimate: three months. Upon arriving in Pearl Harbour 18 days later the estimate had shrunk to two weeks in drydock. The yard dogs turned her loose [[ScottyTime 48 hours later]] to participate in the Battle of Midway. At Midway on June 4, she took three severe bomb hits but was back underway in a hour, just in time to receive two torpedo hits. With a 26 degree list, she was deemed unsafe and abandoned. A salvage party arrived June 6 to right the ship and were making good progress when two more torpedoes struck. Finally, a sinking destroyer's magazine exploded, blowing equipment off the ship, sending internal fixtures flying about, and breaking bones among the salvage party. The USS ''Yorktown'' [[RasputinianDeath finally sank on June 7, 1942]] at 7:01 am before a second salvage attempt could be made. The near miraculous recoveries [[NoOneCouldSurviveThat convinced the Japanese they had sunk a different, undamaged carrier three times]] (thus actually believing at first that Midway was at least a stalemate, and reporting home that ''Yorktown'', ''Enterprise'' and ''Hornet'' had all been sunk[[note]]In fact, this would've made Midway something of a strategic victory for Japan had it been true, since it would've left USS ''Saratoga'' as the entirety of the US Pacific Fleet's carrier force.force...and she was out of commission for repairs until six months later.[[/note]]); once at Coral Sea and twice at Midway. "The Fighting Lady" was one tough mother.
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