History Quotes / SciFiGhetto

24th Jul '16 10:56:29 AM nombretomado
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->I'm not saying anything new here, but mainstream fantasy tends to be a socially conservative genre. Go grab any of the obvious [[Creator/MichaelMoorcock Moorcock]] or [[ChinaMieville Mieville]] essays, and I'll basically agree with them. And frankly? Science Fiction writers are just much cooler. I tended to think of myself as a speculative fiction writer until a particularly wise ex called me on my bullshit. If your speculations are basically "[[Comicbook/{{Phonogram}} what if music were magic?]]" you're a bloody fantasy writer, dick.

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->I'm not saying anything new here, but mainstream fantasy tends to be a socially conservative genre. Go grab any of the obvious [[Creator/MichaelMoorcock Moorcock]] or [[ChinaMieville [[Creator/ChinaMieville Mieville]] essays, and I'll basically agree with them. And frankly? Science Fiction writers are just much cooler. I tended to think of myself as a speculative fiction writer until a particularly wise ex called me on my bullshit. If your speculations are basically "[[Comicbook/{{Phonogram}} what if music were magic?]]" you're a bloody fantasy writer, dick.
27th Jul '15 12:42:19 AM Odon
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'''Sydney Newman:''' Last time I looked.\\

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'''Sydney Newman:''' '''Creator/SydneyNewman:''' Last time I looked.\\
27th Jul '15 12:41:15 AM Odon
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->'''BBC Exec:''' Science Fiction -- is it really that popular?\\
'''Sydney Newman:''' Last time I looked.\\
'''BBC Exec:''' For the juvenile boys, perhaps.\\
'''Sydney Newman:''' ''(under his breath)'' [[OneOfUs I like it...]]
-->-- ''Film/AnAdventureInSpaceAndTime''
21st Jul '15 6:08:03 PM johnnyfog
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->Patrick said to me, 'You used to be in ''Series/DoctorWho'' didn't you?' and I said 'Yes, I still am actually,' and he said 'why do you do all this television, why don't you do proper stuff like theatre?,' and I said 'Well I love it actually, I love doing ''Doctor Who''.' 'But science fiction, I mean why would you want to do science fiction?' I said, 'I don't know -- I think partly because you learn so much technical stuff, it's really interesting,' and he said 'Oh, [[GilliganCut I wouldn't want to do that sort of stuff.]]'\\\
I haven't run into Patrick Stewart since, but I look forward to it so I can say, 'Funny, why do you do all that sort of science fiction stuff you do now, why aren't you doing [[IronicEcho proper theatre like real actors]]?'

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->Patrick said to me, 'You used to be in ''Series/DoctorWho'' didn't you?' and I said 'Yes, I still am actually,' and he said 'why do you do all this television, why don't you do proper stuff like theatre?,' and I said 'Well I love it actually, I love doing ''Doctor Who''.' 'But science fiction, I mean why would you want to do science fiction?' I said, 'I don't know -- I think partly because you learn so much technical stuff, it's really interesting,' and he said 'Oh, [[GilliganCut I wouldn't want to do that sort of stuff.]]'\\\
I haven't run into Patrick Stewart since, but I look forward to it so I can say, 'Funny, why do you do all that sort of science fiction stuff you do now, why aren't you doing [[IronicEcho proper theatre like real actors]]?'
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->I have nothing to say about it. I did that years ago and [[OldShame I mostly denied I ever did it]]...Otherwise, all I would get would be ''[[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries Star Trek]]'' questions for the rest of my natural life -- and probably my unnatural life. You ever see those people who are ''Star Trek'' fans? The same people who go to swap meets.
-->--'''Teri Garr''' (right before [[GetOut hanging up the phone]]) in an interview with ''Starlog''
1st Jul '15 11:44:27 PM erforce
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->There's no denying the truth of it. These assholes gave a Best Picture award to ''{{Film/Titanic}}'', a loud, big budget film depending on overcoming technical difficulties and populated by character ciphers that broke all box office records, but gave half as many awards and no Best Picture to ''[[Film/ANewHope Star Wars]]'', a loud, big budget film depending not only on overcoming technical difficulties, but pioneering the techniques that other films would use to overcome them, populated by character archetypes that broke all box office records, and helped to shape many aspects of the film industry. They also snubbed the classic ''[[{{Film/CloseEncountersOfTheThirdKind}} Close Encounters of the Third Kind]]'' that same year. And let's take 1982, where we had ''[[{{Film/ETTheExtraTerrestrial}} E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial]]'', that drove critics to compare Creator/StevenSpielberg to [[{{Creator/JeanRenoir}} Renoir]] for the incredible achievements of his film, and then gave the award to ''{{Film/Gandhi}}''. Why ''Gandhi''? Well, the same reason ''Titanic'' won, because at that age, only a bit of historical pathos can cause these [[AwardSnub twisted old farts]] to achieve an erection.

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->There's no denying the truth of it. These assholes gave a Best Picture award to ''{{Film/Titanic}}'', ''{{Film/Titanic|1997}}'', a loud, big budget film depending on overcoming technical difficulties and populated by character ciphers that broke all box office records, but gave half as many awards and no Best Picture to ''[[Film/ANewHope Star Wars]]'', a loud, big budget film depending not only on overcoming technical difficulties, but pioneering the techniques that other films would use to overcome them, populated by character archetypes that broke all box office records, and helped to shape many aspects of the film industry. They also snubbed the classic ''[[{{Film/CloseEncountersOfTheThirdKind}} Close Encounters of the Third Kind]]'' ''Film/CloseEncountersOfTheThirdKind'' that same year. And let's take 1982, where we had ''[[{{Film/ETTheExtraTerrestrial}} ''[[Film/ETTheExtraTerrestrial E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial]]'', that drove critics to compare Creator/StevenSpielberg to [[{{Creator/JeanRenoir}} [[Creator/JeanRenoir Renoir]] for the incredible achievements of his film, and then gave the award to ''{{Film/Gandhi}}''. Why ''Gandhi''? Well, the same reason ''Titanic'' won, because at that age, only a bit of historical pathos can cause these [[AwardSnub twisted old farts]] to achieve an erection.
17th Jun '15 7:57:57 AM LahmacunKebab
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->This is not a criticism of this episode but of the sort of people that suggest that because this is an episode of ''Star Trek'' this isn’t a drama that is entering dark territory like ‘real life’ dramas do. The horrendously underwritten and overpriced ''Trek'' review book ''Final Frontier'' suggests this and it made me want to use the breeze block of a book and use it for toilet paper [[InsultToRocks but I wouldn’t assail my arse with such disagreeable scribblings]]...We’re not talking about one planet but an entire Quadrant. One man's soul is the tipping point between saving ''billions'' of lives and throwing them away.

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->This is not a criticism of this episode but of the sort of people that suggest that because this is an episode of ''Star Trek'' this isn’t a drama that is entering dark territory like ‘real life’ dramas do. The horrendously underwritten and overpriced ''Trek'' review book ''Final Frontier'' suggests this and it made me want to use the breeze block of a book and use it for toilet paper [[InsultToRocks but I wouldn’t assail my arse with such disagreeable scribblings]]... We’re not talking about one planet but an entire Quadrant. One man's soul is the tipping point between saving ''billions'' of lives and throwing them away.
17th Jun '15 7:43:32 AM LahmacunKebab
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->It is far easier to believe in a million fairy tales than to believe in one man who does not like fairy tales. I would rather kiss [[Creator/TheBrothersGrimm Grimm]] instead of a [[Literature/TheBible Bible]] and swear to all his stories as if they were thirty-nine articles than say seriously and out of my heart that there can be such a man as you; that you are not some temptation of the devil or some delusion from the void. Look at these plain, homely, practical words. 'The Dragon's Grandmother,' that is all right; that is rational almost to the verge of rationalism. If there was a dragon, he had a grandmother...Can you not see that fairy tales in their essence are quite solid and straightforwards; but that this everlasting fiction about modern life is [[RealityIsUnrealistic in its nature essentially incredible?]]

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->It is far easier to believe in a million fairy tales than to believe in one man who does not like fairy tales. I would rather kiss [[Creator/TheBrothersGrimm Grimm]] instead of a [[Literature/TheBible Bible]] and swear to all his stories as if they were thirty-nine articles than say seriously and out of my heart that there can be such a man as you; that you are not some temptation of the devil or some delusion from the void. Look at these plain, homely, practical words. 'The Dragon's Grandmother,' that is all right; that is rational almost to the verge of rationalism. If there was a dragon, he had a grandmother... Can you not see that fairy tales in their essence are quite solid and straightforwards; but that this everlasting fiction about modern life is [[RealityIsUnrealistic in its nature essentially incredible?]]
15th May '15 4:00:23 PM johnnyfog
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->This is not a criticism of this episode but of the sort of people that suggest that because this is an episode of ''Star Trek'' this isn’t a drama that is entering dark territory like ‘real life’ dramas do. The horrendously underwritten and overpriced ''Trek'' review book ''Final Frontier'' suggests this and it made me want to use the breeze block of a book and use it for toilet paper [[InsultToRocks but I wouldn’t assail my arse with such disagreeable scribblings]]...We’re not talking about one planet but an entire Quadrant. One mans soul is the tipping point between saving ''billions'' of lives and throwing them away.

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->This is not a criticism of this episode but of the sort of people that suggest that because this is an episode of ''Star Trek'' this isn’t a drama that is entering dark territory like ‘real life’ dramas do. The horrendously underwritten and overpriced ''Trek'' review book ''Final Frontier'' suggests this and it made me want to use the breeze block of a book and use it for toilet paper [[InsultToRocks but I wouldn’t assail my arse with such disagreeable scribblings]]...We’re not talking about one planet but an entire Quadrant. One mans man's soul is the tipping point between saving ''billions'' of lives and throwing them away.
15th May '15 4:00:09 PM johnnyfog
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->In many ways [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS2E2TheDalekInvasionOfEarth}} The Dalek Invasion of Earth]] marks the end of an era for ''Series/DoctorWho''. Its existence as a concession to popular culture provides an interesting bind. On the one hand, Sydney Newman, a populist impresario at heart, would have been elated, and Verity Lambert, the producer, enjoyed a clear boost in reputation. But this came at the expense of the series’ literary qualities. The series was a hit, but not for what Newman originally envisioned its purpose as being. The success of the Daleks was based on their visual spectacle, and served as a stunning refutation of the Frick report’s conclusions that attempting special effects-based science fiction on television was a doomed endeavor. But at the same time it refuted her conclusion that literary plays for adults were thus the correct model of science fiction, [[FollowTheLeader opening the door for more of the mindless pulp adventure]] out of which the Daleks sprung...Also departing in The Dalek Invasion of Earth was Carole Ann Ford’s character of Susan, the Doctor’s granddaughter. Ford was frustrated with her character’s collapse into [[DamselInDistress generic peril monkey]], and wanted to pursue meatier dramatic roles, which, as was the fate of most ''Doctor Who'' supporting cast members, [[WhiteDwarfStarlet never really panned out.]]
-->--'''[[http://www.philipsandifer.com/2015/02/a-mild-curiosity-in-junkyard-silence-in.html Dr. Phil Sandifer]]'''

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->In many ways [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS2E2TheDalekInvasionOfEarth}} The ->Also departing in "The Dalek Invasion of Earth]] marks the end of an era for ''Series/DoctorWho''. Its existence as a concession to popular culture provides an interesting bind. On the one hand, Sydney Newman, a populist impresario at heart, would have been elated, and Verity Lambert, the producer, enjoyed a clear boost in reputation. But this came at the expense of the series’ literary qualities. The series was a hit, but not for what Newman originally envisioned its purpose as being. The success of the Daleks was based on their visual spectacle, and served as a stunning refutation of the Frick report’s conclusions that attempting special effects-based science fiction on television was a doomed endeavor. But at the same time it refuted her conclusion that literary plays for adults were thus the correct model of science fiction, [[FollowTheLeader opening the door for more of the mindless pulp adventure]] out of which the Daleks sprung...Also departing in The Dalek Invasion of Earth Earth" was Carole Ann Ford’s character of Susan, the Doctor’s granddaughter. Ford was frustrated with her character’s collapse into [[DamselInDistress generic peril monkey]], and wanted to pursue meatier dramatic roles, which, as was the fate of most ''Doctor Who'' supporting cast members, [[WhiteDwarfStarlet never really panned out.]]
-->--'''[[http://www.philipsandifer.com/2015/02/a-mild-curiosity-in-junkyard-silence-in.html Dr. Phil Sandifer]]'''
Sandifer]]''' on ''Series/DoctorWho'', [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS2E2TheDalekInvasionOfEarth}} "The Dalek Invasion of Earth"]]



->This is not a criticism of this episode but of the sort of people that suggest that because this is an episode of ''Star Trek'' this isn’t a drama that is entering dark territory like ‘real life’ dramas do. The horrendously underwritten and overpriced ''Trek'' review book ''Final Frontier'' suggests this and it made me want to use the breeze block of a book and use it for toilet paper [[InsultToRocks but I wouldn’t assail my arse with such disagreeable scribblings.]] Whilst shows such as ''Series/TheWestWing'' do open our eyes to the tough decisions of government and how people are affected about those decisions it is the ''scale'' of this episode that makes it so impressively sinister and penalties so colossal. We’re not talking about one planet but an entire Quadrant. One mans soul is the tipping point between saving ''billions'' of lives and throwing them away.

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->This is not a criticism of this episode but of the sort of people that suggest that because this is an episode of ''Star Trek'' this isn’t a drama that is entering dark territory like ‘real life’ dramas do. The horrendously underwritten and overpriced ''Trek'' review book ''Final Frontier'' suggests this and it made me want to use the breeze block of a book and use it for toilet paper [[InsultToRocks but I wouldn’t assail my arse with such disagreeable scribblings.]] Whilst shows such as ''Series/TheWestWing'' do open our eyes to the tough decisions of government and how people are affected about those decisions it is the ''scale'' of this episode that makes it so impressively sinister and penalties so colossal. scribblings]]...We’re not talking about one planet but an entire Quadrant. One mans soul is the tipping point between saving ''billions'' of lives and throwing them away.
20th Mar '15 12:46:52 PM johnnyfog
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->I sunk into a proper old gloom. I didn’t even tell you about it because it was foul. Peter Morgan is such a fine writer, damn him. His ''Longford'' script is so fine and subtle, so deceptively simple, heartbreaking and true, and I was so powerfully jealous. I thought, I’m sitting here typing ''[='=]INT. SPACESHIP[='=]''. What am I doing with my career? The answer is, having a wonderful time, with absolute freedom, I know, I know. All the same, looking at ''Longford'', the real tick and bat and pulse that goes on between people, the sheer epic quality of ordinary life, even the lives of Lords and murderers, made me ache... That’s why I turned down the opportunity to meet Creator/GeorgeLucas the other day. The thought of more years typing ‘Int. Spaceship’ and playing with other people’s toys…

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->I sunk into a proper old gloom. I didn’t even tell you about it because it was foul. Peter Morgan is such a fine writer, damn him. His ''Longford'' script is so fine and subtle, so deceptively simple, heartbreaking and true, and I was so powerfully jealous. I thought, I’m sitting here typing ''[='=]INT. SPACESHIP[='=]''. [[ArtistDisillusionment What am I doing with my career? career?]] The answer is, having a wonderful time, with absolute freedom, I know, I know. All the same, looking at ''Longford'', the real tick and bat and pulse that goes on between people, the sheer epic quality of ordinary life, even the lives of Lords and murderers, made me ache... That’s why I turned down the opportunity to meet Creator/GeorgeLucas the other day. The thought of more years typing ‘Int. Spaceship’ ''[=‘=]Int. Spaceship[=’=]'' and playing with other people’s toys…
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