History Quotes / SFDebris

10th Oct '17 4:41:43 PM ClintEastwood
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->''"Welcome to the idiocy that is... "[[DarthWiki/SoBadItsHorrible Threshold]]". And that is '''[[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer NOT]]''' an opinion."''

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->''"Welcome to the idiocy that is... "[[DarthWiki/SoBadItsHorrible "[[{{Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS2E15Threshold}} Threshold]]". And that is '''[[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer NOT]]''' an opinion."''



-->-- "The Gift"

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-->-- "The Gift"
"[[{{Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS4E2TheGift}} The Gift]]"



-->-- "The Menagerie", and "The Game"

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-->-- "The Menagerie", and "The Game"
"[[{{Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS5E6TheGame}} The Game]]"



-->--"Genesis"

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-->--"Genesis"
-->--"[[{{Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS7E18Genesis}} Genesis]]"



-->-- "Haven"

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-->-- "Haven"
"[[{{Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS1E10Haven}} Haven]]"



-->-- "Ex Post Facto"

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-->-- "Ex "[[{{Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS1E7ExPostFacto}} Ex Post Facto"
Facto]]"



->''"It's become my opinion over the years that Brannon Braga is kind like [[WildCard a multiplying factor]]: When you partner him with a stronger writer, you get an even stronger script. And when you partner him with someone like Rick Berman, you get a season of ''Enterprise'' so awful, the DVD should come with a coupon for a ladder and a noose."''
-->-- "Scorpion"

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->''"It's become my opinion over the years that Brannon Braga Creator/BrannonBraga is kind like [[WildCard a multiplying factor]]: When you partner him with a stronger writer, you get an even stronger script. And when you partner him with someone like Rick Berman, you get a season of ''Enterprise'' so awful, the DVD should come with a coupon for a ladder and a noose."''
-->-- "Scorpion"
"[[{{Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS3E25S4E1Scorpion}} Scorpion]]"



-->--"Twisted"

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-->--"Twisted"
-->--"[[{{Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS2E6Twisted}} Twisted]]"



-->-- "Persistence of Vision"

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-->-- "Persistence "[[{{Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS2E8PersistenceOfVision}} Persistence of Vision"
Vision]]"



-->-- "Carpenter Street"

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-->-- "Carpenter Street"
"[[{{Recap/StarTrekEnterpriseS03E11CarpenterStreet}} Carpenter Street]]"



-->--"Bounty"

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-->--"Bounty"
-->--"[[{{Recap/StarTrekEnterpriseS02E025Bounty}} Bounty]]"



-->-- ''The Conscience of the King''

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-->-- ''The "[[{{Recap/StarTrekS1E13TheConscienceOfTheKing}} The Conscience of the King''
King]]"



-->-- "Basics Pt. 1"

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-->-- "Basics Pt. 1"
"[[{{Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS2E26S3E1Basics}} Basics (Part 1)]]"



-->--"Timeless"

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-->--"Timeless"
-->--"[[{{Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS5E6Timeless}} Timeless]]"



-->-- "These Are The Voyages"

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-->-- [[Recap/StarTrekEnterpriseS04E22TheseAreTheVoyages "These Are The Voyages"
the Voyages..."]]



-->-- "Move Along Home"

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-->-- "Move "[[{{Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS01E10MoveAlongHome}} Move Along Home"
Home]]"



-->-- "Badda-Bing, Badda-Bang", on how Sisko complains about racism in the 1960s, [[UnfortunateImplications but not about the sexism also present in that time]].

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-->-- "Badda-Bing, Badda-Bang", "[[{{Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS07E15BaddaBingBaddaBang}} Badda-Bing, Badda-Bang]]", on how Sisko complains about racism in the 1960s, [[UnfortunateImplications but not about the sexism also present in that time]].



-->-- "The Omega Directive"

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-->-- "The "[[{{Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS4E19TheOmegaDirective}} The Omega Directive"
Directive]]"



-->-- "Profit and Lace," one of only a few episodes in the entire ''Trek'' franchise to receive a rating of "0" by him.

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-->-- "Profit "[[{{Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS06E23ProfitAndLace}} Profit and Lace," Lace]]", one of only a few episodes in the entire ''Trek'' franchise to receive a rating of "0" by him.



-->--"Dark Frontier"

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-->--"Dark Frontier"
-->--"[[{{Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS5E15DarkFrontier}} Dark Frontier]]"



-->--"Fair Haven"

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-->--"Fair Haven"
-->--"[[{{Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS6E11FairHaven}} Fair Haven]]"



->''"Well, look, no judgment. Your old boyfriend rolls into town, you're upset, you drink too much, you fuck a penguin, these things happen."''

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->''"Well, look, no judgment.judgement. Your old boyfriend rolls into town, you're upset, you drink too much, you fuck a penguin, these things happen."''



-> ''In an earlier draft of this I apologized for my seeming obsession with bashing Rob Liefeld. I have since stricken that and offer no apologies because, even though he is the whipping boy of comic book fans every time he comes up it's obvious why. From his business decisions to his laughably bad stories to his unprofessionalism to the fact that the one area where he possesses anything that could be considered a skill "art". (And believe me the internet has archives that challenge that assertion.) So me even suggesting that he has some skill there if anything threatens my creditability with comicbook fans for being to generous to Rob Liefeld. Which is the point, the one point I argue that the degree of skill suggesting the possibility of one day showing talent. That position puts me on the fringe. So I'm giving up all pretense, I will almost certainly be bashing Liefeld every time he comes up. I would like it to be clear that's not simply of the sake of bashing him. Because I could list all the comments and antics such as his outrage after creating countless forgettable characters that he wholly owns, he publicly loses it when one of his creations that [[Creator/MarvelComics Marvel]] owns was revealed to be gay. Or, repeat the hilarious observation that the first character he did when he left was one that looked like himself, was leader of a celebrity superhero team, and was named Shaft. But I'm not going to make any further remarks like that because as fun as that would be this series is not dedicated to Rob Liefeld and everything he's done wrong. This is about comics, where he is a player and he has done a lot of things wrong. And even then the snide remarks are only because of virtually every time he comes up he is in some way connected to something that defies common sense or human decency.''

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-> ''In an earlier draft of this I apologized for my seeming obsession with bashing Rob Liefeld.Creator/RobLiefeld. I have since stricken that and offer no apologies because, even though he is the whipping boy of comic book fans every time he comes up it's obvious why. From his business decisions to his laughably bad stories to his unprofessionalism to the fact that the one area where he possesses anything that could be considered a skill "art". (And believe me the internet has archives that challenge that assertion.) So me even suggesting that he has some skill there if anything threatens my creditability with comicbook fans for being to generous to Rob Liefeld. Which is the point, the one point I argue that the degree of skill suggesting the possibility of one day showing talent. That position puts me on the fringe. So I'm giving up all pretense, I will almost certainly be bashing Liefeld every time he comes up. I would like it to be clear that's not simply of the sake of bashing him. Because I could list all the comments and antics such as his outrage after creating countless forgettable characters that he wholly owns, he publicly loses it when one of his creations that [[Creator/MarvelComics Marvel]] owns was revealed to be gay. Or, repeat the hilarious observation that the first character he did when he left was one that looked like himself, was leader of a celebrity superhero team, and was named Shaft. But I'm not going to make any further remarks like that because as fun as that would be this series is not dedicated to Rob Liefeld and everything he's done wrong. This is about comics, where he is a player and he has done a lot of things wrong. And even then the snide remarks are only because of virtually every time he comes up he is in some way connected to something that defies common sense or human decency.''
5th Sep '17 12:51:43 PM LtFedora
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->''"If there's a three-word phrase that will forever be associated with Star Trek fans, it's not gonna be 'this is real.' It's '[[Series/SaturdayNightLive Get a life!]]': dismissing your emotions simply because they don't come from that source, treating it as something to be embarrassed or ashamed of. That is something members of geek culture have been singled out for for a long, long time, that their emotions that stem from the works they love are laughable and are to be mocked for taking those feelings seriously about something that's not real. Fiction is often called an escape, but I think it's more accurate to say that in certain fiction, you get to experience feelings that you normally don't in your daily life, whether it's science fiction or fantasy or horror or romance. Whatever it is, your life is not giving you the feelings, so you have to find it elsewhere."

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->''"If there's a three-word phrase that will forever be associated with Star Trek fans, it's not gonna be 'this is real.' It's '[[Series/SaturdayNightLive Get a life!]]': dismissing your emotions simply because they don't come from that source, treating it as something to be embarrassed or ashamed of. That is something members of geek culture have been singled out for for a long, long time, that their emotions that stem from the works they love are laughable and are to be mocked for taking those feelings seriously about something that's not real. Fiction is often called an escape, but I think it's more accurate to say that in certain fiction, you get to experience feelings that you normally don't in your daily life, whether it's science fiction or fantasy or horror or romance. Whatever it is, your life is not giving you the feelings, so you have to find it elsewhere.""''
5th Sep '17 12:51:21 PM LtFedora
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->''"If there's a three-word phrase that will forever be associated with Star Trek fans, it's not gonna be 'this is real.' It's '[[Series/SaturdayNightLive Get a life!]]': dismissing your emotions simply because they don't come from that source, treating it as something to be embarrassed or ashamed of. That is something members of geek culture have been singled out for for a long, long time, that their emotions that stem from the works they love are laughable and are to be mocked for taking those feelings seriously about something that's not real. Fiction is often called an escape, but I think it's more accurate to say that in certain fiction, you get to experience feelings that you normally don't in your daily life, whether it's science fiction or fantasy or horror or romance. Whatever it is, your life is not giving you the feelings, so you have to find it elsewhere."
-->--"Fair Haven"
17th May '17 10:45:58 PM PaulA
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[[Series/DadsArmy Arthur Lowe was put in charge of defending England]] while [[Film/TheGreatEscape Steve McQueen tried to escape from a POW camp]], but stopped ''just'' short of the Swiss border because [[Theatre/TheSoundOfMusic the Von Trapps had gotten there first]], and Richard Attenborough only succeeded in [[Film/JurassicPark a plan to house cloned dinosaurs]] -- all while [[Series/HogansHeroes Colonel Klink]] patted himself on the back.\\\

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[[Series/DadsArmy Arthur Lowe was put in charge of defending England]] while [[Film/TheGreatEscape Steve McQueen tried to escape from a POW camp]], but stopped ''just'' short of the Swiss border because [[Theatre/TheSoundOfMusic the Von Trapps had gotten there first]], and Richard Attenborough Creator/RichardAttenborough only succeeded in [[Film/JurassicPark a plan to house cloned dinosaurs]] -- all while [[Series/HogansHeroes Colonel Klink]] patted himself on the back.\\\
12th Jan '17 12:16:26 AM PaulA
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->''"So if you are new here, here are the subjects which are [[AcceptableTargets not shown respect here]]: [[HatesEveryoneEqually whites, blacks, Asians, Latinos, Indians, men, women, straights, gays, bis, the religious, the agnostic, and the atheist. We mock the left, mock the right, mock the center, mock the apathetic, mock consumerism, mock communism, spit on the socialists, laugh at the fascists.]] We'll pick on liberal [[UsefulNotes/BarackObama President Obama]] and conservative [[UsefulNotes/DavidCameron PM Cameron]], along with [[HoYay his wife]] UsefulNotes/NickClegg. We'll piss on the [[Film/FlashGordon Hawkman]], [[Series/DoctorWho Cyberman]], [[Series/BabylonFive Tallman]], [[Film/TheLordOfTheRings Saruman]], [[Film/TheDarkKnight Batman]], [[Series/StarTrekVoyager Beltran]], [[Creator/AdamBaldwin Baldwin]], and [[ScapegoatCreator Berman]]. So if you were not aware of it until now, Star Trek is not sacred here."''

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->''"So if you are new here, here are the subjects which are [[AcceptableTargets not shown respect here]]: [[HatesEveryoneEqually whites, blacks, Asians, Latinos, Indians, men, women, straights, gays, bis, the religious, the agnostic, and the atheist. We mock the left, mock the right, mock the center, mock the apathetic, mock consumerism, mock communism, spit on the socialists, laugh at the fascists.]] We'll pick on liberal [[UsefulNotes/BarackObama President Obama]] and conservative [[UsefulNotes/DavidCameron PM Cameron]], along with [[HoYay his wife]] UsefulNotes/NickClegg. We'll piss on the [[Film/FlashGordon [[Film/FlashGordon1980 Hawkman]], [[Series/DoctorWho Cyberman]], [[Series/BabylonFive Tallman]], [[Film/TheLordOfTheRings Saruman]], [[Film/TheDarkKnight Batman]], [[Series/StarTrekVoyager Beltran]], [[Creator/AdamBaldwin Baldwin]], and [[ScapegoatCreator Berman]]. So if you were not aware of it until now, Star Trek is not sacred here."''
28th Dec '16 8:46:58 AM CumbersomeTercel
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-> ''In an earlier draft of this I apologized for my seeming obsession with bashing Rob Liefeld. I have since stricken that and offer no apologies because, even though he is the whipping boy of comic book fans every time he comes up it's obvious why. From his business decisions to his laughably bad stories to his unprofessionalism to the fact that the one area where he possesses anything that could be considered a skill "art". (And believe me the internet has archives that challenge that assertion.) So me even suggesting that he has some skill there if anything threatens my creditability with comicbook fans for being to generous to Rob Liefeld. Which is the point, the one point I argue that he degree of skill suggesting the possibility of one day showing talent. That position puts me on the fringe. So I'm giving up all pretense, I will almost certainly be bashing Liefeld every time he comes up. I would like it to be clear that's not simply of the sake of bashing him. Because I could list all the comments and antics such as his outrage after creating countless forgettable characters that he wholly owns, he publicly loss it when one of his creations that [[Creator/MarvelComics Marvel]] owns was revealed to be gay. Or, repeat the hilarious observation that the first character he did when he left was one that looked like himself, was leader of a celebrity superhero team, and was named Shaft. But I'm not going to make any further remarks like that because as fun as that would be this series is not dedicated to Rob Liefeld and everything he's done wrong. This is about comics, where he is a player and he has done a lot of things wrong. And even then the snide remarks are only because of virtually every time he comes up he is in some way connected to something that defies common sense or human decency.''

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-> ''In an earlier draft of this I apologized for my seeming obsession with bashing Rob Liefeld. I have since stricken that and offer no apologies because, even though he is the whipping boy of comic book fans every time he comes up it's obvious why. From his business decisions to his laughably bad stories to his unprofessionalism to the fact that the one area where he possesses anything that could be considered a skill "art". (And believe me the internet has archives that challenge that assertion.) So me even suggesting that he has some skill there if anything threatens my creditability with comicbook fans for being to generous to Rob Liefeld. Which is the point, the one point I argue that he the degree of skill suggesting the possibility of one day showing talent. That position puts me on the fringe. So I'm giving up all pretense, I will almost certainly be bashing Liefeld every time he comes up. I would like it to be clear that's not simply of the sake of bashing him. Because I could list all the comments and antics such as his outrage after creating countless forgettable characters that he wholly owns, he publicly loss loses it when one of his creations that [[Creator/MarvelComics Marvel]] owns was revealed to be gay. Or, repeat the hilarious observation that the first character he did when he left was one that looked like himself, was leader of a celebrity superhero team, and was named Shaft. But I'm not going to make any further remarks like that because as fun as that would be this series is not dedicated to Rob Liefeld and everything he's done wrong. This is about comics, where he is a player and he has done a lot of things wrong. And even then the snide remarks are only because of virtually every time he comes up he is in some way connected to something that defies common sense or human decency.''



->''"Alright, let me explain: A guy with a mustache like Charlie Chaplin by name of Hitler took over the country of Germany thanks to the support of a group called the Nazis. (Or Narzis if you're Churchill. Or drunk. Or both.)\\\
After hosting the Olympics to mess with future ignorant protesters, the Nazis started their plan to take over all of Europe, thanks to various mad scientist plots, the [[Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger Red Skull]], and [[Film/SchindlersList artillery shells that didn't work, made by Ras's Al Ghul]], who trained his protégé Christian Bale to be a Hitler Youth by day and a [[Film/SwingKids swing kid]] [[Film/TheDarkKnightSaga dressed like a Bat by night]].\\\

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->''"Alright, let me explain: A guy with a mustache like Charlie Chaplin Creator/CharlieChaplin by name of Hitler took over the country of Germany thanks to the support of a group called the Nazis. (Or Narzis if you're Churchill. Or drunk. Or both.)\\\
After hosting the Olympics to mess with future ignorant protesters, the Nazis started their plan to take over all of Europe, thanks to various mad scientist plots, the [[Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger Red Skull]], and [[Film/SchindlersList artillery shells that didn't work, made by Ras's Al Ghul]], who trained his protégé Christian Bale Creator/ChristianBale to be a Hitler Youth by day and a [[Film/SwingKids swing kid]] [[Film/TheDarkKnightSaga dressed like a Bat by night]].\\\
28th Jul '16 7:00:18 PM Brainiac0982
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-> ''In an earlier draft of this I apologized for my seeming obsession with bashing Rob Liefeld. I have since stricken that and offer no apologies because, even though he is the whipping boy of comic book fans every time he comes up it's obvious why. From his business decisions to his laughably bad stories to his unprofessionalism to the fact that the one area where he possesses anything that could be considered a skill "art". (And believe me the internet has archives that challenge that assertion.) So me even suggesting that he has some skill there if anything threatens my creditability with comicbook fans for being to generous to Rob Liefeld. Which is the point, the one point I argue that he degree of skill suggesting the possibility of one day showing talent. That position puts me on the fringe. So I'm giving up all pretense, I will almost certainly be bashing Liefeld every time he comes up. I would like it to be clear that's not simply of the sake of bashing him. Because I could list all the comments and antics such as his outrage after creating countless forgettable characters that he wholly owns, he publicly loss it when one of his creations that marvel owns was revealed to be gay. Or, repeat the hilarious observation that the first character he did when he left was one that looked like himself, was leader of a celebrity superhero team, and was named Shaft. But I'm not going to make any further remarks like that because as fun as that would be this series is not dedicated to Rob Liefeld and everything he's done wrong. This is about comics, where he is a player and he has done a lot of things wrong. And even then the snide remarks are only because of virtually every time he comes up he is in some way connected to something that defies common sense or human decency.''

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-> ''In an earlier draft of this I apologized for my seeming obsession with bashing Rob Liefeld. I have since stricken that and offer no apologies because, even though he is the whipping boy of comic book fans every time he comes up it's obvious why. From his business decisions to his laughably bad stories to his unprofessionalism to the fact that the one area where he possesses anything that could be considered a skill "art". (And believe me the internet has archives that challenge that assertion.) So me even suggesting that he has some skill there if anything threatens my creditability with comicbook fans for being to generous to Rob Liefeld. Which is the point, the one point I argue that he degree of skill suggesting the possibility of one day showing talent. That position puts me on the fringe. So I'm giving up all pretense, I will almost certainly be bashing Liefeld every time he comes up. I would like it to be clear that's not simply of the sake of bashing him. Because I could list all the comments and antics such as his outrage after creating countless forgettable characters that he wholly owns, he publicly loss it when one of his creations that marvel [[Creator/MarvelComics Marvel]] owns was revealed to be gay. Or, repeat the hilarious observation that the first character he did when he left was one that looked like himself, was leader of a celebrity superhero team, and was named Shaft. But I'm not going to make any further remarks like that because as fun as that would be this series is not dedicated to Rob Liefeld and everything he's done wrong. This is about comics, where he is a player and he has done a lot of things wrong. And even then the snide remarks are only because of virtually every time he comes up he is in some way connected to something that defies common sense or human decency.''
4th Feb '16 7:26:21 AM Morgenthaler
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[[Series/DadsArmy Arthur Lowe was put in charge of defending England]] while [[Film/TheGreatEscape Steve McQueen tried to escape from a POW camp]], but stopped ''just'' short of the Swiss border because [[Theatre/TheSoundOfMusic the Von Trapps had gotten there first]], and Richard Attenborough only succeeded in [[JurassicPark a plan to house cloned dinosaurs]] -- all while [[Series/HogansHeroes Colonel Klink]] patted himself on the back.\\\
A girl named [[TheDiaryOfAnneFrank Anne Frank]] comes into this somewhere, but I think she was rescued by [[{{Film/XMen}} a boy who had control over magnetism with his mind.]]\\\

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[[Series/DadsArmy Arthur Lowe was put in charge of defending England]] while [[Film/TheGreatEscape Steve McQueen tried to escape from a POW camp]], but stopped ''just'' short of the Swiss border because [[Theatre/TheSoundOfMusic the Von Trapps had gotten there first]], and Richard Attenborough only succeeded in [[JurassicPark [[Film/JurassicPark a plan to house cloned dinosaurs]] -- all while [[Series/HogansHeroes Colonel Klink]] patted himself on the back.\\\
A girl named [[TheDiaryOfAnneFrank [[Literature/TheDiaryOfAnneFrank Anne Frank]] comes into this somewhere, but I think she was rescued by [[{{Film/XMen}} a boy who had control over magnetism with his mind.]]\\\
8th Dec '15 8:44:43 PM nombretomado
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-->-- SFDebris Opinionated Voyager Guide

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-->-- SFDebris WebSite/SFDebris Opinionated Voyager Guide
3rd Dec '15 12:33:52 PM zootsutra
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-> ''"... I bring that up because the holodeck is just the final step in videogaming. Like I said before, its use in the second episode was to make a fake person so Tasha Yar could kick its ass. The more you down play the interactive elements of the game, the less it is a game and the more it is an episode. But, all that its become is an episode of a show we didn't tune in to watch. Jeri Tailor wanted to do more of this but terminated the holo-novel plot, lamenting that the fans didn't share her appreciation of gothic novels. Um, two things. First, just because I detest McDonalds french fries it does not mean I hate french fries. I just hate french fries that taste like the were fermented in an elderly whore's snatch, I don't hate whole categories just because the one you made sucks! And second (and more obviously) if we want some cheeseball-paperback-romance-ghost-story-Nancy-Drew-what-the-fuck. We'd be watching that show right now not the one with space ships and ray-guns."''

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-> ''"... I bring that up because the holodeck is just the final step in videogaming. Like I said before, its use in the second episode was to make a fake person so Tasha Yar could kick its ass. The more you down play the interactive elements of the game, the less it is a game and the more it is an episode. But, all that its become is an episode of a show we didn't tune in to watch. Jeri Tailor wanted to do more of this but terminated the holo-novel plot, lamenting that the fans didn't share her appreciation of gothic novels. Um, two things. First, just because I detest McDonalds french fries it does not mean I hate french fries. I just hate french fries that taste like the were fermented in an elderly whore's snatch, snatch. I don't hate whole categories just because the one you made sucks! And second (and more obviously) if we want some cheeseball-paperback-romance-ghost-story-Nancy-Drew-what-the-fuck. We'd cheeseball-paperback-romance-ghost-story-Nancy-Drew-what-the-fuck, we'd be watching that show right now not the one with space ships and ray-guns."''
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