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History Quotes / PropagandaMachine

1st Feb '16 10:49:23 AM FF32
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-->--'''UsefulNotes/BenjaminFranklin'''

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-->--'''UsefulNotes/BenjaminFranklin'''
-->--'''Creator/BenjaminFranklin'''
15th Jan '16 3:08:37 PM Anddrix
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->''"The reason propaganda works is that [[ViewersAreMorons most people are too involved or too stupid]] to recognize it as propaganda. People claim to understand the bias and filter it out, but that's absurd. Of course they don't."''

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->''"The reason propaganda works is that [[ViewersAreMorons most people are too involved or too stupid]] stupid to recognize it as propaganda. People claim to understand the bias and filter it out, but that's absurd. Of course they don't."''
6th Dec '15 6:42:14 PM hamonrye
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->''"There are different kinds of truths for different kinds of people. There are truths appropriate for children; truths that are appropriate for students; truths that are appropriate for educated adults; and truths that are appropriate for highly educated adults, and the notion that there should be one set of truths available to everyone is a modern democratic fallacy. It doesn't work."''
-->--'''Leo Strauss''' on the [[{{Creator/Plato}} "noble lie"]]
28th Nov '15 4:01:31 PM namingway
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-->--'''''Series/TheXFiles''''', "F. Emasculata"

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-->--'''''Series/TheXFiles''''', -->--''Series/TheXFiles'', "F. Emasculata"



-->--'''''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine''''', "A Time to Stand"

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-->--'''''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine''''', -->--''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'', "A Time to Stand"



-->--'''''Series/StarTrekVoyager''''', "Warhead"

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-->--'''''Series/StarTrekVoyager''''', -->--''Series/StarTrekVoyager'', "Warhead"
28th Nov '15 3:59:53 PM namingway
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->''"Where's your will to win, to act like Gunga Din?\\
Through propaganda, propaganda\\
Where's your will to fight, to know what's wrong and right?\\
And propaganda, propaganda"''
-->--'''{{Music/Sparks}}''', "Propaganda"

->''"I learned our government must be strong\\
[[MyCountryRightOrWrong It's always right and never wrong]]\\
Our leaders are [[SleazyPolitician the finest men]]\\
And we elect them again and again"''
-->--'''Tom Paxton''', "What Did You Learn in School Today?"


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->''"To celebrate this latest victory against a tyrannical few who have endangered the lives of our citizens, Clark declared today a planetary holiday. Curfew has been extended ''[[FascistsBedTime two full hours]]'' until 9:00 PM, Earth Standard Time, so go out and enjoy!"''
-->--'''ISN Reporter''', ''Series/BabylonFive'' ([[{{Recap/BabylonFiveS04E08TheIllusionOfTruth}} "The Illusion of Truth"]])


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->''"Where's your will to win, to act like Gunga Din?\\
Through propaganda, propaganda\\
Where's your will to fight, to know what's wrong and right?\\
And propaganda, propaganda"''
-->--'''{{Music/Sparks}}''', "Propaganda"

->''"I learned our government must be strong\\
[[MyCountryRightOrWrong It's always right and never wrong]]\\
Our leaders are [[SleazyPolitician the finest men]]\\
And we elect them again and again"''
-->--'''Tom Paxton''', "What Did You Learn in School Today?"
3rd Nov '15 7:58:03 PM hamonrye
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->The notion - that war is, as Jex puts it, "a different world" in which normality shifts drastically and morality becomes fuzzy - is, for a start, a somewhat glib truism. Like all such glib truisms, it can be pressed into service (i.e. "Yes, an invasion will kill lots of Iraqi people... but we have to do something; Saddam has WMD!!!") or ignored (i.e. "Those Muslamic terrorists are killing Our Boys!!! [[MoralMyopia Why do they hate us???]]") according to ideological needs and preferences.
-->--'''[[http://shabogangraffiti.blogspot.com/2013/06/a-town-without-context.html Jack Graham]]''' on ''Series/DoctorWho'', [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS33E3ATownCalledMercy}} "A Town Called Mercy"]]

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->The notion - ->War crimes are never excusable, of course... except that war is, they are excused. All the time. They're excused as Jex puts it, "a different world" in which normality shifts drastically and morality becomes fuzzy - is, for a start, a somewhat glib truism. Like all such glib truisms, it can long as they're 'ours', whoever 'we' happen to be. In fact, if they're 'ours', they tend to not even be pressed into service (i.e. "Yes, an invasion will kill lots of Iraqi people... but we have to do something; Saddam has WMD!!!") or noticed, let alone excused. When they cannot be ignored (i.e. "Those Muslamic terrorists are killing Our Boys!!! [[MoralMyopia Why do or straight-facedly excused, they hate us???]]") according to ideological needs are ideologically neutralised as aberrations, quickly corrected by the putatively aggressive questioning of a Media who are actually [[ProfessionalButtKisser pussycats sitting on the laps of the powerful and preferences.
purring for bellyrubs]]. The odd playful scratch does not a ferocious tiger make... and anything more than the odd playful scratch might endanger the reliable supply of Kit-e-Kat.
-->--'''[[http://shabogangraffiti.blogspot.com/2013/06/a-town-without-context.html Jack Graham]]''' on ''Series/DoctorWho'', [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS33E3ATownCalledMercy}} "A Town Called Mercy"]]
Graham]]'''
3rd Nov '15 7:28:15 PM hamonrye
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->The notion - that war is, as Jex puts it, "a different world" in which normality shifts drastically and morality becomes fuzzy - is, for a start, a somewhat glib truism. Like all such glib truisms, it can be pressed into service (i.e. "Yes, an invasion will kill lots of Iraqi people... but we have to do something; Saddam has WMD!!!") or ignored (i.e. "Those Muslamic terrorists are killing Our Boys!!! [[MoralMyopia Why do they hate us???]]") according to ideological needs and preferences.
-->--'''[[http://shabogangraffiti.blogspot.com/2013/06/a-town-without-context.html Jack Graham]]''' on ''Series/DoctorWho'', [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS33E3ATownCalledMercy}} "A Town Called Mercy"]]
17th Oct '15 11:40:04 AM hamonrye
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->'''Mulder:''' You can't protect the public by ''lying'' to them!\\

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->'''Mulder:''' You can't protect the public by ''lying'' LYING to them!\\



''"If we did make our points [[MetaphoricallyTrue clearer than truth]], we did not differ from most other educators and could hardly do otherwise..."''

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''"If ->''"If we did make our points [[MetaphoricallyTrue clearer than truth]], we did not differ from most other educators and could hardly do otherwise..."''
17th Oct '15 11:39:41 AM hamonrye
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[[folder:Fiction]]
->''"Where's your will to win, to act like Gunga Din?\\
Through propaganda, propaganda\\
Where's your will to fight, to know what's wrong and right?\\
And propaganda, propaganda"''
-->--'''{{Music/Sparks}}''', "Propaganda"

->''"I learned our government must be strong\\
[[MyCountryRightOrWrong It's always right and never wrong]]\\
Our leaders are [[SleazyPolitician the finest men]]\\
And we elect them again and again"''
-->--'''Tom Paxton''', "What Did You Learn in School Today?"

->'''Employee''': ''You think people will buy this?''\\
'''Dascomb''': ''Why not? This is the BTN. Our job is to report the news, not fabricate it. That's the government's job.''

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[[folder:Fiction]]
->''"Where's your will to win, to act like Gunga Din?\\
Through propaganda, propaganda\\
Where's your will to fight, to know what's wrong and right?\\
And propaganda, propaganda"''
-->--'''{{Music/Sparks}}''', "Propaganda"

->''"I learned our government must be strong\\
[[MyCountryRightOrWrong It's always right and never wrong]]\\
Our leaders are [[SleazyPolitician the finest men]]\\
And we elect them again and again"''
-->--'''Tom Paxton''', "What Did You Learn in School Today?"

->'''Employee''': ''You think people will buy this?''\\
'''Dascomb''': ''Why not? This
[[AC:Film -- Live-Action]]

->''"This
is the BTN. Our job is to report the news, not fabricate it. That's the government's job.''"''



->''"Right now, there is a whole, an entire generation that never knew anything that didn't come out of this tube! This tube is the Gospel, the ultimate revelation. This tube can make or break presidents, popes, prime ministers. This tube is the most awesome God-damned force in the whole godless world, and woe is us if it ever falls in to the hands of the wrong people. And when the twelfth largest company in the world controls the most awesome God-damned propaganda force in the whole godless world, who knows what shit will be peddled for truth on this network?"''
-->--'''Howard Beale''', ''{{Film/Network}}''

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->''"Right now, there is a whole, an entire generation that never knew anything that didn't come out of this tube! This tube is the Gospel, the ultimate revelation. This tube can make or break presidents, popes, prime ministers. This tube is the most awesome God-damned force in the whole godless world, and woe is us if it ever falls in to the hands of the wrong people. And when the twelfth largest company in the world controls the most awesome God-damned propaganda force in the whole godless world, who knows what shit will be peddled for truth on this network?"''
-->--'''Howard Beale''', ''{{Film/Network}}''

->'''Mulder:''' You can't protect the public by lying to them!\\

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->''"Right now, there is a whole, an entire generation that [[AC:Music]]

->''"Where's your will to win, to act like Gunga Din?\\
Through propaganda, propaganda\\
Where's your will to fight, to know what's wrong and right?\\
And propaganda, propaganda"''
-->--'''{{Music/Sparks}}''', "Propaganda"

->''"I learned our government must be strong\\
[[MyCountryRightOrWrong It's always right and
never knew anything that didn't come out of this tube! This tube is wrong]]\\
Our leaders are [[SleazyPolitician
the Gospel, the ultimate revelation. This tube can make or break presidents, popes, prime ministers. This tube is the most awesome God-damned force in the whole godless world, finest men]]\\
And we elect them again
and woe is us if it ever falls again"''
-->--'''Tom Paxton''', "What Did You Learn
in to the hands of the wrong people. And when the twelfth largest company in the world controls the most awesome God-damned propaganda force in the whole godless world, who knows what shit will be peddled for truth on this network?"''
-->--'''Howard Beale''', ''{{Film/Network}}''

School Today?"

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->'''Mulder:''' You can't protect the public by lying ''lying'' to them!\\



->'''Jake:''' What about freedom of the press?\\
'''Weyoun:''' Please tell me you're not that naive.

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->'''Jake:''' What about freedom of the press?\\
press?!\\
'''Weyoun:''' Please tell me you're not that ''that'' naive.



'''Harry:''' Have you ever ''met'' the "Enemy"? You're just spouting propaganda! What you've been ''programmed'' to believe.

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'''Harry:''' Have you ever ''met'' the "Enemy"? You're just spouting propaganda! What propaganda -- what you've been ''programmed'' programmed to believe.believe!



->''"Who are you fighting for anyway? The people? Newsflash! The people hate you! I made sure of that!"''
-->-- '''Bob Barbas''', '''''VideoGame/DMCDevilMayCry'''''

->''"What we need right now is a clear message to the people of this country. This message must be read in every newspaper, heard on every radio, seen on every television. This message must resound throughout the ENTIRE [=InterLink=]! I want this country to realise that we stand on the edge of oblivion! I want every man, woman and child to understand how close we are to chaos! I want [[PunctuatedForEmphasis EVERYONE! To REMEMBER! WHY THEY NEED US!]]"''
-->--'''[[PresidentEvil High Chancellor]] [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything Adam Sutler]]''', ''Film/VForVendetta''

->''"In war, truth is the first casualty."''
-->-- ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'', "Duchess of Mandalore"
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[[folder:Real Life]]

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->''"Who are you fighting for anyway? The people? Newsflash! The people hate you! I made sure of that!"''
-->-- '''Bob Barbas''', '''''VideoGame/DMCDevilMayCry'''''

->''"What we
[[AC:Radio]]

->''"We
need racist stereotypes right now is a clear message of our enemy in order to encourage our warriors to kill the people of this country. This message must be read in every newspaper, heard on every radio, seen on every television. This message must resound throughout the ENTIRE [=InterLink=]! I want this country to realise that we stand on the edge of oblivion! I want every man, woman and child to understand how close we are to chaos! I want [[PunctuatedForEmphasis EVERYONE! To REMEMBER! WHY THEY NEED US!]]"''
-->--'''[[PresidentEvil High Chancellor]] [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything Adam Sutler]]''', ''Film/VForVendetta''

->''"In war, truth is the first casualty.
enemy."''
-->-- ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'', "Duchess of Mandalore"
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[[folder:Real Life]]
-->--'''Radio/MichaelSavage'''

[[AC:Web Original]]



->Newspapers seldom print whole speeches these days, so they are typically anchored around vacuous sound bytes. News channels are so busy rushing to get to the celebrity gossip that we get [[ViewersAreGoldfish an entire political address condensed down to a word]] -- arguably the greatest orator of our times (though, to echo above I’d suggest he may be good, but he’s ''“no [[UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy Jack Kennedy]]”'' or even UsefulNotes/RonaldReagan) has his speeches condensed down to single ambiguous words/concepts like “hope” and “change”...It should be noted that it was arguably this soundbyte-fixation which led to the rush to war back in 2003, with the focus on individual words and snippets (''“axis of evil”'', for example) rather than statements or arguments.
-->--'''[[http://them0vieblog.com/2009/11/10/man-launches-attack-on-pat-kenny-english-language/#more-2081 Darren Mooney]]''' on UsefulNotes/BarackObama

->''"The fascist narrative comes, in effect, in two parts. The first involves a nostalgic belief in [[NostalgiaFilter a past golden age]] -- a historical moment in which things were good. In the fascist narrative, this golden age was ended because of an act of disingenuous betrayal -- what’s called the “[[TheScapegoat stab in the back myth]]”...The second part is a vision of what should happen, which centers on [[DarkMessiah a heroic figure who speaks the truth]] of the conspiracy and leads a populist restoration of the old order. The usual root of this figure is (a bad misreading of) Nietzsche’s idea of the ubermensch -- a figure of such strength that morality does not really apply to him."''
-->--'''[[http://www.philipsandifer.com/2015/04/guided-by-beauty-of-their-weapons.html Dr. Phil Sandifer]]''', "Guided By the Beauty of Their Weapons"

->''"As a master of theatrical sarcasm and apocalyptic rhetoric, Kiselyov eclipses [[Series/TheOReillyFactor Bill O'Reilly]], and as a theoretician of conspiracy he shames Radio/GlennBeck. He tells his viewers that, in Ukraine, fascists abound, the U.S. State Department underwrites revolution, and 'life is not worth a single kopeck.' But he insists, 'The presentation of me as a minister of propaganda [[ChewbaccaDefense is itself a form of propaganda.']]"''
-->--''[[http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/08/11/watching-eclipse The New Yorker]]'' on ''Russia Today'', "Watching the Eclipse"

[[AC:Western Animation]]

->''"In war, truth is the first casualty."''
-->-- ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'', "Duchess of Mandalore"

[[AC:RealLife]]



->''"As far as the mass of the people go, the extraordinary swings of opinion which occur nowadays, the emotions which can be turned on and off like a tap, are the result of newspaper and radio hypnosis. In the intelligentsia I should say they result rather from money and mere physical safety. At a given moment they may be 'pro-war' or 'anti-war', but in either case they have no realistic picture of war in their minds."''
-->--'''Creator/GeorgeOrwell''' is always right



->''"On the morning of September 22, fishermen of the fishery station in Rajin-Sonbong city caught a 10cm long white sea cucumber while fishing on the waters off Chongjin. They said the rare white sea cucumber has come to hail the auspicious event of electing Secretary Kim Jong Il as Party General Secretary. Seeing the mysterious natural phenomena, Koreans say Secretary Kim Jong Il is indeed the greatest of great men produced by heaven and that flowers come into bloom to mark the great event."''
-->-- '''[[UsefulNotes/{{NorthKorea}} Korean Central News Agency]]''' (29 Sep 1997)



->''"It was ''(Dean)'' Acheson who elegantly explained all of the lies that he was obliged to tell Congress and the [[ViewersAreGoldfish ten-minute-attention-spanned]] average American: 'If we did make our points [[MetaphoricallyTrue clearer than truth]], we did not differ from most other educators and could hardly do otherwise...' Thus were two generations of Americans treated by their overlords until, in the end, at the word '[[RedScare communism,]]' there is an orgasmic Pavlovian reflex just as the brain goes dead."''

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->''"It was ''(Dean)'' Acheson who elegantly explained all of the lies that he was obliged to tell Congress and the [[ViewersAreGoldfish ten-minute-attention-spanned]] average American: 'If ''"If we did make our points [[MetaphoricallyTrue clearer than truth]], we did not differ from most other educators and could hardly do otherwise...' Thus "''
-->--'''Dean Acheson''' on the RedScare

->''"Thus
were two generations of Americans treated by their overlords until, in the end, at the word '[[RedScare communism,]]' 'communism' there is an orgasmic Pavlovian reflex just as the brain goes dead."''



->''"We need racist stereotypes right now of our enemy in order to encourage our warriors to kill the enemy."''
-->--'''Radio/MichaelSavage'''

->Newspapers seldom print whole speeches these days, so they are typically anchored around vacuous sound bytes. News channels are so busy rushing to get to the celebrity gossip that we get [[ViewersAreGoldfish an entire political address condensed down to a word]] -- arguably the greatest orator of our times (though, to echo above I’d suggest he may be good, but he’s ''“no [[UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy Jack Kennedy]]”'' or even UsefulNotes/RonaldReagan) has his speeches condensed down to single ambiguous words/concepts like [[UsefulNotes/BarackObama “hope” and “change”]]...It should be noted that it was arguably this soundbyte-fixation which led to the rush to war back in 2003, with the focus on individual words and snippets (''“axis of evil”'', for example) rather than statements or arguments.
-->--'''[[http://them0vieblog.com/2009/11/10/man-launches-attack-on-pat-kenny-english-language/#more-2081 Darren Mooney]]'''

->''"The fascist narrative comes, in effect, in two parts. The first involves a nostalgic belief in [[NostalgiaFilter a past golden age]] -- a historical moment in which things were good. In the fascist narrative, this golden age was ended because of an act of disingenuous betrayal -- what’s called the “[[TheScapegoat stab in the back myth]]”...The second part is a vision of what should happen, which centers on [[DarkMessiah a heroic figure who speaks the truth]] of the conspiracy and leads a populist restoration of the old order. The usual root of this figure is (a bad misreading of) Nietzsche’s idea of the ubermensch -- a figure of such strength that morality does not really apply to him."''
-->--'''[[http://www.philipsandifer.com/2015/04/guided-by-beauty-of-their-weapons.html Dr. Phil Sandifer]]''', "Guided By the Beauty of Their Weapons"

->''"''Holy Terror'' is tough for me to wrap my head around, because propaganda is a tricky beast. It requires convincing everyone of the righteousness of your country’s cause, turning your enemy into something other than you, and simplifying matters to an almost absurd level. In World War II, propaganda was easy. There was a clear enemy, notably the Nazis, who had committed clearly hateful crimes. And even then, the otherizing aspect of propaganda gave rise to a metric ton of racism and bigotry, which was nonetheless seen as [[KickTheSonOfABitch justified or even acceptable]] in the face of the atrocities that had been committed."''
-->--'''David Brothers''' on FrankMiller's ''Holy Terror''

->''"On the morning of September 22, fishermen of the fishery station in Rajin-Sonbong city caught a 10cm long white sea cucumber while fishing on the waters off Chongjin. They said the rare white sea cucumber has come to hail the auspicious event of electing Secretary Kim Jong Il as Party General Secretary. Seeing the mysterious natural phenomena, Koreans say Secretary Kim Jong Il is indeed the greatest of great men produced by heaven and that flowers come into bloom to mark the great event."''
-->-- '''[[UsefulNotes/{{NorthKorea}} Korean Central News Agency]]''' (29 Sep 1997)

->''"As a master of theatrical sarcasm and apocalyptic rhetoric, Kiselyov eclipses [[Series/TheOReillyFactor Bill O'Reilly]], and as a theoretician of conspiracy he shames Radio/GlennBeck. He tells his viewers that, in Ukraine, fascists abound, the U.S. State Department [[TheManBehindTheMan underwrites revolution]], and 'life is not worth a single kopeck.' But he insists, 'The presentation of me as a minister of propaganda [[VillainWithGoodPublicity is itself a form of propaganda.']]"''
-->--''[[http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/08/11/watching-eclipse The New Yorker]]'' on ''Russia Today'', "Watching the Eclipse"


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-->-- '''UsefulNotes/MalcolmX''' (December 13, 1964)

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-->-- '''UsefulNotes/MalcolmX''' (December 13, 1964)'''UsefulNotes/MalcolmX'''
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