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-->-- '''[[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManDanSlott Dan Slott]]''', [[https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?92750-Thread-Drift-Will-One-More-Day-ever-be-reversed&p=2730123#post2730123 Comment #746, CBR Thread: 'Thread Drift Will One More Day ever be reversed']], 04-06-2017, 04:58 PM

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-->-- '''[[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManDanSlott Dan Slott]]''', '''Creator/DanSlott''', [[https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?92750-Thread-Drift-Will-One-More-Day-ever-be-reversed&p=2730123#post2730123 Comment #746, CBR Thread: 'Thread Drift Will One More Day ever be reversed']], 04-06-2017, 04:58 PM


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-> I live in a universe where Peter Parker is still married. I'm not familiar with the other guy.
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-> I've said many times that these characters have lives, and minds, of their own. And this is kind of proof of that. No matter how much people may try, Pete and MJ WANT to be together and they'll make it happen. And I'm totally with them on that!
-->-- '''[[http://www.jmdematteis.com/2023/02/demultiplying.html J.M. DeMatteis]]'''

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-> "As for 'One More Day,' we have mostly moved on, and I wouldn't hold my breath for an undo any time soon, but I'll never say never."
-->-- Executive Spider-Man Editor Nick Lowe, letters section of Amazing Spider-Man (Vol. 6) #39 (December 2023)
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-> Bloody hell. I hate this, and judging from the discussions I am seeing on various blogs, I am not alone. Retconning sucks. Leave the goddamned continuity ALONE, for chrissakes. What happened, happened. Take an old character in a new direction, fine, cool, but don’t go back and mess around with the character’s past. It’s a breach of trust with your audience, as I see it. The DC universe has never really recovered from the ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'', despite [[ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis all]] [[ComicBook/IdentityCrisis the]] [[ComicBook/FinalCrisis Crises that have followed]], and I think the Marvel universe, and Spidey in particular, will be a long time recovering from this decision. So that’s my two cents. In a nutshell: boo, hiss, shame on you, Marvel. If I had a rotten tomato, I would throw it.

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-> Bloody hell. I hate this, and judging from the discussions I am seeing on various blogs, I am not alone. Retconning sucks. Leave the goddamned continuity ALONE, for chrissakes. What happened, happened. Take an old character in a new direction, fine, cool, but don’t go back and mess around with the character’s past. It’s a breach of trust with your audience, as I see it. The DC universe has never really recovered from the ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'', despite [[ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis all]] [[ComicBook/IdentityCrisis [[ComicBook/IdentityCrisis2004 the]] [[ComicBook/FinalCrisis Crises that have followed]], and I think the Marvel universe, and Spidey in particular, will be a long time recovering from this decision. So that’s my two cents. In a nutshell: boo, hiss, shame on you, Marvel. If I had a rotten tomato, I would throw it.
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->''Well, I think it was good in the sense [[NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity that it made a lot of people sit up and take notice]] and it generated a lot more interest in Spider-Man. But I must admit I agree with you, [[VoodooShark it wasn’t typical of the Spider-Man]] we have known and I think they’ll either going to get back [[OneTruePairing to the normal Spider-Man and Mary Jane]] relationship or [[PublicMediumIgnorance they’ve maybe already done it]]...[[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManNickSpencer they will]], [[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManRenewYourVows sooner or later]] they will, I’m sure of it.''

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->''Well, I think it was good in the sense [[NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity that it made a lot of people sit up and take notice]] and it generated a lot more interest in Spider-Man. But I must admit I agree with you, [[VoodooShark it wasn’t typical of the Spider-Man]] we have known and I think they’ll either going to get back [[OneTruePairing to the normal Spider-Man and Mary Jane]] relationship or [[PublicMediumIgnorance they’ve maybe already done it]]...[[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManNickSpencer [[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderMan2018 they will]], [[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManRenewYourVows sooner or later]] they will, I’m sure of it.''

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->[[Creator/StanLee Stan's]] synopsis for the Green Goblin had a movie crew, on location, finding an Egyptian-like sarcophagus. Inside was an ancient, mythological demon, the Green Goblin. He naturally came to life. On my own, I changed Stan's mythological demon into a human villain...I rejected Stan's idea...'''A mythological demon made the whole Peter Parker/Spider-Man world a place where [[VoodooShark nothing is metaphysically impossible]]'''.

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->[[Creator/StanLee Stan's]] synopsis for the Green Goblin had a movie crew, on location, finding an Egyptian-like sarcophagus. Inside was an ancient, mythological demon, the Green Goblin. He naturally came to life. On my own, I changed Stan's mythological demon into a human villain...I rejected Stan's idea...'''A mythological demon made the whole Peter Parker/Spider-Man world a place where [[VoodooShark [[OpeningACanOfClones nothing is metaphysically impossible]]'''.



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I never read One More Day. I generally hated the notion that you couldn't have a grown-up superhero, and I did not hate it just because I was grown-up: I would have hated it when I was 12. The fact of it was I idolized grown-ups. One More Day felt like an erasure of what had been one of its more unintentionally bold endeavors—the attempt to allow a superhero to grow up, to be more than Peter Pan, to confront the tragic world as it was, to imagine life beyond what should have been.
-->-- '''Creator/TaNehisiCoates'''[[note]]Winner of the National Book Award and writer of an acclaimed ''ComicBook/BlackPanther'' run[[/note]]

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I never read One More Day. I generally hated the notion that you couldn't have a grown-up superhero, and I did not hate it just because I was grown-up: I would have hated it when I was 12. The fact of it was I idolized grown-ups. One ''One More Day Day'' felt like an erasure of what had been one of its more unintentionally bold endeavors—the attempt to allow a superhero to grow up, to be more than Peter Pan, to confront the tragic world as it was, to imagine life beyond what should have been.
-->-- '''Creator/TaNehisiCoates'''[[note]]Winner of the National Book Award and writer of an acclaimed ''ComicBook/BlackPanther'' run[[/note]]run.[[/note]]



-> For starters, it should be self-evident that having your flagship superhero, your exemplar of heroic values and morality, the guy whose book gave us the phrase “with great power comes great responsiblity,” the most popular fictional character in the world whose name isn’t ''Franchise/HarryPotter'', literally make a deal with the devil is just a terrible, terrible idea on the face of it. That he does so to scrap the romance [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy at the center of his multi-billion-dollar, zeitgeist-bestriding film trilogy]] should probably have sent up a few red flags too...The final, fatal, unforgivable flaw, of course, is that it doesn’t even work from a standpoint of emotional realism. Simply put, if you ask any happily married couple to trade away their entire marriage, past present and future, to save the life of a septuagenarian mother figure, no matter how beloved, who probably is just a few years from dying anyway, ''the answer would be no.''

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-> For starters, it should be self-evident that having your flagship superhero, your exemplar of heroic values and morality, the guy whose book gave us the phrase “with [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatResponsibility "with great power comes great responsiblity,” responsibility"]], the most popular fictional character in the world whose name isn’t ''Franchise/HarryPotter'', literally make a deal with the devil is just a terrible, terrible idea on the face of it. That he does so to scrap the romance [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy at the center of his multi-billion-dollar, zeitgeist-bestriding film trilogy]] should probably have sent up a few red flags too...The final, fatal, unforgivable flaw, of course, is that it doesn’t even work from a standpoint of emotional realism. Simply put, if you ask any happily married couple to trade away their entire marriage, past present and future, to save the life of a septuagenarian mother figure, no matter how beloved, who probably is just a few years from dying anyway, ''the answer would be no.''



-> There are complaints because years worth of continuity has suddenly been rendered moot? Okay, well...did you enjoy the stories when you read them? Yes? Good: You got your money’s worth. Can you still pull them out and re-read them? Yes? Good: Then OMD didn't somehow cause the previous comics to magically vanish from existence. I mean, I ''wrote'' a number of those stories that, in terms of plot and character development are no longer relevant, and I’m not cracking up over it. I wrote them, they were enjoyed for what they were (or disliked for what they were), and that to my mind is the end of it.

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-> There are complaints because years worth of continuity has suddenly been rendered moot? Okay, well...did you enjoy the stories when you read them? Yes? Good: You got your money’s worth. Can you still pull them out and re-read them? Yes? Good: Then OMD ''OMD'' didn't somehow cause the previous comics to magically vanish from existence. I mean, I ''wrote'' a number of those stories that, in terms of plot and character development are no longer relevant, and I’m not cracking up over it. I wrote them, they were enjoyed for what they were (or disliked for what they were), and that to my mind is the end of it.



-->--'''[[http://lifeofreillyarchives.blogspot.com/2008/03/part-22.html Glenn Greenberg]]''', Marvel writer/editor, on an [[WhatCouldHaveBeen unused]] attempt to [[AuthorsSavingThrow end the]] 90's [[ComicBook/TheCloneSaga Spider-Man Clone Saga]] that involved [[HilariousInHindsight Mephisto manipulating time]].[[note]]And one of the reasons for the 90's Clone Saga? [[OlderThanTheyThink To get an unmarried Peter Parker]][[/note]]

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- > Marvel went and did it!
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-->--'''[[http://lifeofreillyarchives.blogspot.com/2008/03/part-22.html Glenn Greenberg]]''', Marvel writer/editor, on an [[WhatCouldHaveBeen unused]] attempt to [[AuthorsSavingThrow end the]] 90's [[ComicBook/TheCloneSaga Spider-Man Clone Saga]] that involved [[HilariousInHindsight Mephisto manipulating time]].[[note]]And one of the reason for the 90's Clone Saga? [[OlderThanTheyThink To get an unmarried Peter Parker]][[/note]]

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-->--'''[[http://lifeofreillyarchives.blogspot.com/2008/03/part-22.html Glenn Greenberg]]''', Marvel writer/editor, on an [[WhatCouldHaveBeen unused]] attempt to [[AuthorsSavingThrow end the]] 90's [[ComicBook/TheCloneSaga Spider-Man Clone Saga]] that involved [[HilariousInHindsight Mephisto manipulating time]].[[note]]And one of the reason reasons for the 90's Clone Saga? [[OlderThanTheyThink To get an unmarried Peter Parker]][[/note]]
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-> There's a perception here that I and others don't/didn't like the marriage or the marriage era stories. And that's simply not true. [[NotInThisForYourRevolution If I was hired on to write about a married Peter Parker, I would have happily done so. Just I was happy to be hired on to write a Peter Parker who wasn't married]]. I was happy writing a married Spider-Man when I wrote his appearances in SPIDER-MAN/HUMAN TORCH, SHE-HULK, THING, and AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE. If I didn't enjoy writing a married Spider-Man, I wouldn't have risked dancing through the political minefield that I did to pitch [[ComicBook/RenewYourVows RENEW YOUR VOWS]]...What I do understand is all of the reasons ([[ExecutiveMeddling political, corporate, what-have-you]]) why [[ExiledFromContinuity the marriage will not be reinstated into the core comic book continuity version]] of Spider-Man...Again, [[CatharsisFactor you could do a story that resolved OMD without restoring the marriage. You could give Spidey a victory over Mephisto]]. You could have MJ back in the book as a love interest w/o them being married. But you're not going to see the marriage back in the core continuity. I'm not saying this to be cruel or to belittle anyone's genuine love of that status quo. I'm saying this with complete honesty and frankness. This is what the situation is.

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-> There's a perception here that I and others don't/didn't like the marriage or the marriage era stories. And that's simply not true. [[NotInThisForYourRevolution If I was hired on to write about a married Peter Parker, I would have happily done so. Just I was happy to be hired on to write a Peter Parker who wasn't married]]. I was happy writing a married Spider-Man when I wrote his appearances in SPIDER-MAN/HUMAN TORCH, SHE-HULK, THING, and AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE. If I didn't enjoy writing a married Spider-Man, I wouldn't have risked dancing through the political minefield that I did to pitch [[ComicBook/RenewYourVows [[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManRenewYourVows RENEW YOUR VOWS]]...What I do understand is all of the reasons ([[ExecutiveMeddling political, corporate, what-have-you]]) why [[ExiledFromContinuity the marriage will not be reinstated into the core comic book continuity version]] of Spider-Man...Again, [[CatharsisFactor you could do a story that resolved OMD without restoring the marriage. You could give Spidey a victory over Mephisto]]. You could have MJ back in the book as a love interest w/o them being married. But you're not going to see the marriage back in the core continuity. I'm not saying this to be cruel or to belittle anyone's genuine love of that status quo. I'm saying this with complete honesty and frankness. This is what the situation is.



->''Well, I think it was good in the sense [[NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity that it made a lot of people sit up and take notice]] and it generated a lot more interest in Spider-Man. But I must admit I agree with you, [[VoodooShark it wasn’t typical of the Spider-Man]] we have known and I think they’ll either going to get back [[OneTruePairing to the normal Spider-Man and Mary Jane]] relationship or [[PublicMediumIgnorance they’ve maybe already done it]]...[[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManNickSpencer they will]], [[ComicBook/RenewYourVows sooner or later]] they will, I’m sure of it.''

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->''Well, I think it was good in the sense [[NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity that it made a lot of people sit up and take notice]] and it generated a lot more interest in Spider-Man. But I must admit I agree with you, [[VoodooShark it wasn’t typical of the Spider-Man]] we have known and I think they’ll either going to get back [[OneTruePairing to the normal Spider-Man and Mary Jane]] relationship or [[PublicMediumIgnorance they’ve maybe already done it]]...[[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManNickSpencer they will]], [[ComicBook/RenewYourVows [[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManRenewYourVows sooner or later]] they will, I’m sure of it.''
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-> So, if you think about it, Spider-Man not only made a deal with the Devil, he actually came out of it pretty damn good! He gets his aunt saved, his buddy gets back to life, his identity is secured, he still gets to have a long term relationship with a damned supermodel back then and fool around with kinky sex-addicted cat girls now...Basically all Satan gets is the thrill of [[PokeThePoodle blinking some bridal photos out of existence.]] Aaah... Ouch? I guess? [[DarthWiki/WarpThatAesop So let that be a lesson, kids!]] If you screw up and need to make a deal with the devil, make sure it's with the Marvel devil. [[WhatAnIdiot That guy's no idea of what he's doing!]]

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-> So, if you think about it, Spider-Man not only made a deal with the Devil, he actually came out of it pretty damn good! He gets his aunt saved, his buddy gets back to life, his identity is secured, he still gets to have a long term relationship with a damned supermodel back then and fool around with kinky sex-addicted cat girls now...Basically all Satan gets is the thrill of [[PokeThePoodle blinking some bridal photos out of existence.]] Aaah... Ouch? I guess? [[DarthWiki/WarpThatAesop So let that be a lesson, kids!]] If you screw up and need to make a deal with the devil, make sure it's with the Marvel devil. [[WhatAnIdiot That guy's no idea of what he's doing!]] doing!
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->"It would have made for an intriguing, compelling, thought-provoking story... [[TemptingFate but not anything that should ever be done in a Spider-Man comic]]. In fact, what's so blatant to me now is how Spider-Man is completely overshadowed by the events of this story -- he's little more than a plot device, a pawn. [[FunnyAneurysmMoment And that's not what the readers want to see. Hell, it's not what I would want to see, either!]]"

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->"It would have made for an intriguing, compelling, thought-provoking story... [[TemptingFate but not anything that should ever be done in a Spider-Man comic]]. In fact, what's so blatant to me now is how Spider-Man is completely overshadowed by the events of this story -- he's little more than a plot device, a pawn. [[FunnyAneurysmMoment And that's not what the readers want to see. Hell, it's not what I would want to see, either!]]"either!"
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-->-- '''[[ComicBook/DanSlottSpiderMan Dan Slott]]''', [[https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?92750-Thread-Drift-Will-One-More-Day-ever-be-reversed&p=2730123#post2730123 Comment #746, CBR Thread: 'Thread Drift Will One More Day ever be reversed']], 04-06-2017, 04:58 PM

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-->-- '''[[ComicBook/DanSlottSpiderMan '''[[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManDanSlott Dan Slott]]''', [[https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?92750-Thread-Drift-Will-One-More-Day-ever-be-reversed&p=2730123#post2730123 Comment #746, CBR Thread: 'Thread Drift Will One More Day ever be reversed']], 04-06-2017, 04:58 PM



->''Well, I think it was good in the sense [[NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity that it made a lot of people sit up and take notice]] and it generated a lot more interest in Spider-Man. But I must admit I agree with you, [[VoodooShark it wasn’t typical of the Spider-Man]] we have known and I think they’ll either going to get back [[OneTruePairing to the normal Spider-Man and Mary Jane]] relationship or [[PublicMediumIgnorance they’ve maybe already done it]]...[[ComicBook/NickSpencersSpiderMan they will]], [[ComicBook/RenewYourVows sooner or later]] they will, I’m sure of it.''

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->''Well, I think it was good in the sense [[NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity that it made a lot of people sit up and take notice]] and it generated a lot more interest in Spider-Man. But I must admit I agree with you, [[VoodooShark it wasn’t typical of the Spider-Man]] we have known and I think they’ll either going to get back [[OneTruePairing to the normal Spider-Man and Mary Jane]] relationship or [[PublicMediumIgnorance they’ve maybe already done it]]...[[ComicBook/NickSpencersSpiderMan [[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManNickSpencer they will]], [[ComicBook/RenewYourVows sooner or later]] they will, I’m sure of it.''
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-->--[[http://lifeofreillyarchives.blogspot.com/2008/03/part-22.html Glenn Greenberg]], Marvel writer/editor, on an [[WhatCouldHaveBeen unused]] attempt to [[AuthorsSavingThrow end the]] 90's [[ComicBook/TheCloneSaga Spider-Man Clone Saga]] that involved [[HilariousInHindsight Mephisto manipulating time]].[[note]]And one of the reason for the 90's Clone Saga? [[OlderThanTheyThink To get an unmarried Peter Parker]][[/note]]

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-->--[[http://lifeofreillyarchives.-->--'''[[http://lifeofreillyarchives.blogspot.com/2008/03/part-22.html Glenn Greenberg]], Greenberg]]''', Marvel writer/editor, on an [[WhatCouldHaveBeen unused]] attempt to [[AuthorsSavingThrow end the]] 90's [[ComicBook/TheCloneSaga Spider-Man Clone Saga]] that involved [[HilariousInHindsight Mephisto manipulating time]].[[note]]And one of the reason for the 90's Clone Saga? [[OlderThanTheyThink To get an unmarried Peter Parker]][[/note]]
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->"It would have made for an intriguing, compelling, thought-provoking story... [[TemptingFate but not anything that should ever be done in a Spider-Man comic]]. In fact, what's so blatant to me now is how Spider-Man is completely overshadowed by the events of this story -- he's little more than a plot device, a pawn. [[FunnyAnerysmMoment And that's not what the readers want to see. Hell, it's not what I would want to see, either!]]"

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->"It would have made for an intriguing, compelling, thought-provoking story... [[TemptingFate but not anything that should ever be done in a Spider-Man comic]]. In fact, what's so blatant to me now is how Spider-Man is completely overshadowed by the events of this story -- he's little more than a plot device, a pawn. [[FunnyAnerysmMoment [[FunnyAneurysmMoment And that's not what the readers want to see. Hell, it's not what I would want to see, either!]]"
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->"It would have made for an intriguing, compelling, thought-provoking story... [[TemptingFate but not anything that should ever be done in a Spider-Man comic]]. In fact, what's so blatant to me now is how Spider-Man is completely overshadowed by the events of this story -- he's little more than a plot device, a pawn. [[FunnyAunerysmMoment And that's not what the readers want to see. Hell, it's not what I would want to see, either!]]"

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->"It would have made for an intriguing, compelling, thought-provoking story... [[TemptingFate but not anything that should ever be done in a Spider-Man comic]]. In fact, what's so blatant to me now is how Spider-Man is completely overshadowed by the events of this story -- he's little more than a plot device, a pawn. [[FunnyAunerysmMoment [[FunnyAnerysmMoment And that's not what the readers want to see. Hell, it's not what I would want to see, either!]]"
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->"It would have made for an intriguing, compelling, thought-provoking story... but not anything that should ever be done in a Spider-Man comic. In fact, what's so blatant to me now is how Spider-Man is completely overshadowed by the events of this story -- he's little more than a plot device, a pawn. And that's not what the readers want to see. Hell, it's not what I would want to see, either!"

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->"It would have made for an intriguing, compelling, thought-provoking story... [[TemptingFate but not anything that should ever be done in a Spider-Man comic.comic]]. In fact, what's so blatant to me now is how Spider-Man is completely overshadowed by the events of this story -- he's little more than a plot device, a pawn. [[FunnyAunerysmMoment And that's not what the readers want to see. Hell, it's not what I would want to see, either!"either!]]"
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-->--[[http://lifeofreillyarchives.blogspot.com/2008/03/part-22.html Glenn Greenberg]], Marvel writer/editor, on an [[WhatCouldHaveBeen unused]] attempt to [[AuthorsSavingThrow end the]] 90's [[ComicBook/TheCloneSaga Spider-Man Clone Saga]] that involved [[HilariousInHindsight Mephisto manipulating time]].[[note]]And one of the reason for the 90's Clone Saga? [[OlderThanTheyThink To get an unmarried Peter Parker]][[/note]]

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