History Quotes / JustFollowingOrders

19th Jul '17 7:59:01 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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->'''[[TheHero Will]]:''' Wait! Please, hold on! I have to talk to you! I need to know why the
Lazurians started this war again!\\

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->'''[[TheHero Will]]:''' Wait! Please, hold on! I have to talk to you! I need to know why the
the Lazurians started this war again!\\



'''Will:''' Orders? [[AfterTheEnd But Lazuria is destroyed! Both of our nations are in ruins]], and
yet we're still at war! Orders don't matter We don't have a reason to fight.\\

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'''Will:''' Orders? [[AfterTheEnd But Lazuria is destroyed! Both of our nations are in ruins]], and
and yet we're still at war! Orders don't matter We don't have a reason to fight.\\



'''Gage:''' That's not my concern. Soldiers follow orders, not their hearts. If
soldiers acted as they pleased, armies would collapse. We're tools of the
government. They tell us what to do, and we--\\
->'''Will:''' But there IS no government now! I mean, not a real one!\\
->'''Gage:''' [[ShutUpKirk Not my problem.]]

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'''Gage:''' That's not my concern. Soldiers follow orders, not their hearts. If
If soldiers acted as they pleased, armies would collapse. We're tools of the
the government. They tell us what to do, and we--\\
->'''Will:''' '''Will:''' But there IS no government now! I mean, not a real one!\\
->'''Gage:''' '''Gage:''' [[ShutUpKirk Not my problem.]]
19th Jul '17 7:24:37 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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Lazurians started this war again!
->'''[[ColdSniper Gage]]:''' I obey orders. I don't engage in policy discussions.
->'''Will:''' Orders? [[AfterTheEnd But Lazuria is destroyed! Both of our nations are in ruins]], and
yet we're still at war! Orders don't matter We don't have a reason to fight.
->'''Gage:''' [[VisibleSilence ... ... ... ...]]
->'''Will:''' Surely you thought about this! You must know this war is pointless!
->'''Gage:''' That's not my concern. Soldiers follow orders, not their hearts. If

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Lazurians started this war again!
->'''[[ColdSniper
again!\\
'''[[ColdSniper
Gage]]:''' I obey orders. I don't engage in policy discussions.
->'''Will:'''
discussions.\\
'''Will:'''
Orders? [[AfterTheEnd But Lazuria is destroyed! Both of our nations are in ruins]], and
yet we're still at war! Orders don't matter We don't have a reason to fight.
->'''Gage:'''
fight.\\
'''Gage:'''
[[VisibleSilence ... ... ... ...]]
->'''Will:'''
]]\\
'''Will:'''
Surely you thought about this! You must know this war is pointless!
->'''Gage:'''
pointless!\\
'''Gage:'''
That's not my concern. Soldiers follow orders, not their hearts. If



government. They tell us what to do, and we--
->'''Will:''' But there IS no government now! I mean, not a real one!

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government. They tell us what to do, and we--
we--\\
->'''Will:''' But there IS no government now! I mean, not a real one!one!\\
19th Jul '17 7:15:44 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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Lazurians started this war again!\\
'''[[ColdSniper Gage]]:''' I obey orders. I don't engage in policy discussions.\\
'''Will:''' Orders? [[AfterTheEnd But Lazuria is destroyed! Both of our nations are in ruins]], and
yet we're still at war! Orders don't matter We don't have a reason to fight.\\
'''Gage:''' [[VisibleSilence ... ... ... ...]]\\
'''Will:''' Surely you thought about this! You must know this war is pointless!\\
'''Gage:''' That's not my concern. Soldiers follow orders, not their hearts. If

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Lazurians started this war again!\\
'''[[ColdSniper
again!
->'''[[ColdSniper
Gage]]:''' I obey orders. I don't engage in policy discussions.\\
'''Will:'''
discussions.
->'''Will:'''
Orders? [[AfterTheEnd But Lazuria is destroyed! Both of our nations are in ruins]], and
yet we're still at war! Orders don't matter We don't have a reason to fight.\\
'''Gage:'''
fight.
->'''Gage:'''
[[VisibleSilence ... ... ... ...]]\\
'''Will:'''
]]
->'''Will:'''
Surely you thought about this! You must know this war is pointless!\\
'''Gage:'''
pointless!
->'''Gage:'''
That's not my concern. Soldiers follow orders, not their hearts. If



government. They tell us what to do, and we--\\
'''Will:''' But there IS no government now! I mean, not a real one!\\
'''Gage:''' [[ShutUpKirk Not my problem.]]

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government. They tell us what to do, and we--\\
'''Will:'''
we--
->'''Will:'''
But there IS no government now! I mean, not a real one!\\
'''Gage:'''
one!
->'''Gage:'''
[[ShutUpKirk Not my problem.]]
19th Jul '17 7:11:24 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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->'''[[TheHero Will]]:''' Wait! Please, hold on! I have to talk to you! I need to know why the
Lazurians started this war again!\\
'''[[ColdSniper Gage]]:''' I obey orders. I don't engage in policy discussions.\\
'''Will:''' Orders? [[AfterTheEnd But Lazuria is destroyed! Both of our nations are in ruins]], and
yet we're still at war! Orders don't matter We don't have a reason to fight.\\
'''Gage:''' [[VisibleSilence ... ... ... ...]]\\
'''Will:''' Surely you thought about this! You must know this war is pointless!\\
'''Gage:''' That's not my concern. Soldiers follow orders, not their hearts. If
soldiers acted as they pleased, armies would collapse. We're tools of the
government. They tell us what to do, and we--\\
'''Will:''' But there IS no government now! I mean, not a real one!\\
'''Gage:''' [[ShutUpKirk Not my problem.]]
-->-- ''[[VideoGame/NintendoWars Advance Wars: Days of Ruin]]''
19th Jul '17 5:42:03 PM MAI742
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->'''Argel Tal:''' I have never pretended to be anything but weak, Kharn. I don't enjoy war, yet I fight. I don't relish torture, yet I inflict it. I don't revere the gods, yet I serve their holy purpose. Humanity's weakest souls will always cling to the words "I was just following orders". They cower behind those words, making a virtue of their own weakness, lionising brutality over nobility. I know that when I die, I'll have lived my whole life shrouded by that same excuse.\\
'''Kharn:''' So will I. So will any Space Marine.
-->-- ''Literature/HorusHeresy''
27th May '17 6:18:21 PM StarSword
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->'''Teal'c:''' Nothing I have done since turning against the Goa'uld will make up for the atrocities I once committed in their name. Somewhere deep inside you, you knew it was wrong. A voice you did not recognize screamed for you to stop. You saw no way out. It was the way things were. They could not be changed. You tried to convince yourself the people you were hurting deserved it. You became numb to their pain and suffering. You learned to shut out the voice speaking against it.\\
'''Tomin:''' There's always a choice.\\
'''Teal'c:''' Indeed, there is.\\
'''Tomin:''' I chose to ignore it.\\
'''Teal'c:''' Yet you sit here now.\\
'''Tomin:''' I sit here...and I cannot imagine the day when I will forgive myself.\\
'''Teal'c:''' Because it will never come. One day, others may try to convince you they have forgiven you. That is more about them than you. For them, imparting forgiveness is a blessing.\\
'''Tomin:''' How do you go on?\\
'''Teal'c:''' [[TheAtoner It is simple. You will never forgive yourself. Accept it. You hurt others. Many others. That cannot be undone. You will never find personal retribution. But your life does not have to end. That which is right, just, and true can still prevail. If you do not fight for what you believe in, all may be lost for everyone else. But do not fight for yourself, fight for othersóothers that may be saved through your effort. That is the least you can do.]]
-->-- ''Franchise/{{Stargate|Verse}}: Film/TheArkOfTruth''
24th May '17 6:11:43 PM StarSword
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->''Pulled into war to serve a vision\\
Thatís supposed to last a thousand years\\
Part of a machine unstoppable\\
As merciless as tidal waves\\
\\
Were they the victims of the time\\
Or proud parts of larger goals?\\
Propaganda of the Reich, masterful machine\\
\\
Time and again the battle rages on\\
Beyond the gates of misery\\
As casualties rise and millions die around them\\
Did they see it all?\\
\\
Crazy madmen on a leash\\
Or young men who lost their way?\\
Grand illusions of the Reich\\
May seem real at times\\
\\
Panzers on a line\\
Form the Wehrmachtís spine\\
Lethal grand design\\
What about the men executing orders?''
-->-- [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwJbkA1AcBk "Wehrmacht"]] by Music/{{Sabaton}}
7th May '17 4:02:28 AM AnotherEpicFail
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->The saving grace of hierarchy - of the Government Machine - is this: [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure George Copsen]] will execute the orders of his country, and in doing so he will kill thousands, maybe more. But it will not be his choice. It will be the action of a nation, a huge complex animal of which he is only the tiniest part, albeit at this moment significant part. ''George'' Copsen retreats and ''General'' Copsen emerges to take his place and keep him from going mad [[GodzillaThreshold given what he will now do]]. This is a good thing for George. It may also be a good thing for the general, to be unhampered by his civilian self. Whether it is a good thing for anyone else is less clear.
-->--''Literature/TheGoneAwayWorld''
14th Mar '17 5:14:57 PM Discar
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->[[UnwittingPawn A fine pack of puppets, you lot]]. Not a thought of your own, so eager to obey. Because obeying is so easy, hmm? [[NeverMyFault You're never responsible]] when you're ''only following orders''. And who would doubt what seems so obvious? Who bears [[ArcWords the courage to disobey]]? Precious few. Not one human in a thousand. [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness Now, my lambs,]] [[HopelessBossFight to slaughter!]]

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->[[UnwittingPawn ->''"[[UnwittingPawn A fine pack of puppets, you lot]]. Not a thought of your own, so eager to obey. Because obeying is so easy, hmm? [[NeverMyFault You're never responsible]] when you're ''only following orders''. And who would doubt what seems so obvious? Who bears [[ArcWords the courage to disobey]]? Precious few. Not one human in a thousand. [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness Now, my lambs,]] [[HopelessBossFight to slaughter!]]slaughter!]]"''



->The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him.
-->--'''Principle IV of the Nuremberg principles.'''

->''Befehl ist Befehl.'' ("An order is an order.")
-->--Common saying in the [[UsefulNotes/NazisWithGnarlyWeapons Wehrmacht]]

->''The distinguishing mark of a manifestly illegal order is that above such an order should fly, like a black flag, a warning saying: 'Prohibited!'''
-->--'''Benjamin Halevy'''

->''[A]ll civilized nations recognize the principle that a subordinate is covered by the orders of his superiors''
-->--'''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leipzig_War_Crimes_Trials Leipzig Supreme Court]]''' ''(1921)''

->''Just following orders is an coward's excuse, Dorothea!''

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->The ->''"The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him.
-->--'''Principle
him."''
-->-- '''Principle
IV of the Nuremberg principles.'''

->''Befehl ->''"Befehl ist Befehl.'' "'' ("An order is an order.")
-->--Common -->-- Common saying in the [[UsefulNotes/NazisWithGnarlyWeapons Wehrmacht]]

->''The ->''"The distinguishing mark of a manifestly illegal order is that above such an order should fly, like a black flag, a warning saying: 'Prohibited!'''
-->--'''Benjamin
'Prohibited!'"''
-->-- '''Benjamin
Halevy'''

->''[A]ll ->''"[A]ll civilized nations recognize the principle that a subordinate is covered by the orders of his superiors''
-->--'''[[https://en.
superiors."''
-->-- '''[[https://en.
wikipedia.org/wiki/Leipzig_War_Crimes_Trials Leipzig Supreme Court]]''' ''(1921)''

->''Just ->''"Just following orders is an coward's excuse, Dorothea!''Dorothea!"''



->''A good way to get a decent person to do something horrible is to convince them that they're not responsible for their actions.''

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->''A ->''"A good way to get a decent person to do something horrible is to convince them that they're not responsible for their actions.''"''



->''I was a soldier once. All my superiors thought I was brave. I wasnít. I mean, I never ran from a fight. Only because I was afraid my friends would see I was afraid. Thatís all I was, a coward. We followed orders no matter the orders.\\
Burn that village. Fine, Iím your arsonist.\\
Steal that farmerís crops. Good, Iím your thief.\\
Kill those young lads so they wonít take up arms against us. Iím your murderer.\\
I remember once a woman screaming at us, calling us animals as we dragged her son from their hut. But we werenít animals. Animals are true to their nature and we had betrayed ours. I cut that young boyís throat myself as his mother screamed and my friends held her back.\\
That night I felt such shame. Shame was so heavy on me, I couldnít eat, I couldnít sleep. All I could do was stare into that dark sky and listen to that mother screaming her sonís name. Iíll hear her screaming the rest of my life.\\
Now, I know I can never bring that lad back. All I can do with time Iíve got left is bring a little goodness into the world. Thatís all any of us can do, isnít it? Never too late to stop robbing people, to stop killing people. Start helping people. Itís never too late to come back.\\
And itís not about waiting for the gods to answer your prayers. Itís not even about the gods. Itís about you. Learning you have to answer your prayers yourself.

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->''I ->''"I was a soldier once. All my superiors thought I was brave. I wasnít.wasn't. I mean, I never ran from a fight. Only because I was afraid my friends would see I was afraid. Thatís That's all I was, a coward. We followed orders no matter the orders.\\
Burn that village. Fine, Iím I'm your arsonist.\\
Steal that farmerís farmer's crops. Good, Iím I'm your thief.\\
Kill those young lads so they wonít won't take up arms against us. Iím I'm your murderer.\\
I remember once a woman screaming at us, calling us animals as we dragged her son from their hut. But we werenít weren't animals. Animals are true to their nature and we had betrayed ours. I cut that young boyís boy's throat myself as his mother screamed and my friends held her back.\\
That night I felt such shame. Shame was so heavy on me, I couldnít couldn't eat, I couldnít sleep. All I could do was stare into that dark sky and listen to that mother screaming her sonís son's name. Iíll I'll hear her screaming the rest of my life.\\
Now, I know I can never bring that lad back. All I can do with time Iíve I've got left is bring a little goodness into the world. Thatís That's all any of us can do, isnít isn't it? Never too late to stop robbing people, to stop killing people. Start helping people. Itís It's never too late to come back.\\
And itís it's not about waiting for the gods to answer your prayers. Itís It's not even about the gods. Itís It's about you. Learning you have to answer your prayers yourself."''
14th Mar '17 5:11:49 PM Discar
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And itís not about waiting for the gods to answer your prayers. Itís not even about the gods. Itís about you. Learning you have to answer your prayers yourself.\\

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And itís not about waiting for the gods to answer your prayers. Itís not even about the gods. Itís about you. Learning you have to answer your prayers yourself.\\


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->'''[[spoiler:Taravangian]]:''' Was this your destiny? Do you wonder? Given that monstrosity of a Shardblade by your people, cast out and absolved of any sin your masters might require of you?\\
'''Szeth:''' [[SubvertedTrope I am not absolved]]. It is a common mistake stone walkers make. Each life I take weighs me down, eating away at my soul.\\
'''[[spoiler:Taravangian]]:''' Yet you kill.\\
'''Szeth:''' It is my punishment. To kill, to have no choice, but to bear the sins nonetheless. I am Truthless.
-->-- ''Literature/TheWayOfKings'' (first book of ''Literature/TheStormlightArchive'')
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