History Quotes / DeaderThanDisco

23rd Mar '16 7:29:11 AM JulianLapostat
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-> ''"Every artistic form—the blank-verse drama, the Greek plays, the novel--has only so many possibilities and only so long a life. And I have a feeling that in movies, until we break completely, we are only increasing the library of good works."''
-->-- '''Quotes/OrsonWelles'''
13th Jan '16 5:32:08 PM hamonrye
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->''"My theory on the backlash to this film has less to do with the quality of what's on the screen and what it represents; a pre-postmodern America of the pulps and the frontier, an America of ''[[IWantMyJetpack possibility]]'' that's lost to us now. ''John Carter, Warlord of Mars'' is definitely not a postmodern superhero, and can't be revised to postmodernity the way Guy Ritchie's ''Film/SherlockHolmes'' was."''
-->--'''[[http://secretsun.blogspot.com/2012/03/pop-culture-has-eaten-itself.html Christopher Loring Knowles]]''' on ''Film/JohnCarter''

->''"At a certain point, with age, we lose our grip on which ideas are cyclical and which ideas are perpetual and which ideas have died out. {{Music/Madonna}} is just mimicking modes of edginess that worked for her in the past--that were new and important in the past--but what was once progressive nearly always becomes regressive. Because we learn so much all the time. The racial exploitation of ''Sex''-era Madonna was provocative once; [[TheManIsStickingItToTheMan now it's just exploitation.]] So when do we cut our idols loose? When does the Queen of Reinvention run out of raw materials and turn into the, um, Lesser Duchess of Recycling?"''
-->--'''''Jezebel''''', [[http://jezebel.com/madonna-what-are-you-doing-1510137010 "Madonna, What Are You Doing."]]



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->''"It does not look remarkable different from ''[[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration Next Generation]]'', in my opinion. I think it is edited in the same way, the way it’s staged, the direction that they’re allowed to do, how they tell a story, the lighting scheme – a lot of it is very, very redolent of ''Next Generation''… It has not moved on with television. It’s still stuck in a very old groove."''
-->--'''Ron D. Moore''' on ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise''
13th Nov '15 6:00:35 AM hamonrye
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->''"My theory on the backlash to this film has less to do with the quality of what's on the screen and what it represents; a pre-postmodern America of the pulps and the frontier, an America of ''[[IWantMyJetpack possibility]]'' that's lost to us now. ''Literature/JohnCarter, Warlord of Mars'' is definitely not a postmodern superhero, and can't be revised to postmodernity the way Guy Ritchie's ''Film/SherlockHolmes'' was."''

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->''"My theory on the backlash to this film has less to do with the quality of what's on the screen and what it represents; a pre-postmodern America of the pulps and the frontier, an America of ''[[IWantMyJetpack possibility]]'' that's lost to us now. ''Literature/JohnCarter, ''John Carter, Warlord of Mars'' is definitely not a postmodern superhero, and can't be revised to postmodernity the way Guy Ritchie's ''Film/SherlockHolmes'' was."''



->''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' was so insanely, teeth-grindingly terrible it nearly killed the entire ''Star Trek'' franchise (and {{space opera}}, arguably, as well) forever. Even Jeri Ryan in a lycra suit couldn't redeem this atrocity, which took every annoying tic and quirk and cringe-inducing faux pas of every ''Star Trek'' episode ever and built a series around it.
-->--'''[[http://secretsunjr.blogspot.com/2010/03/mystery-voyager-theatre.html Christopher Loring Knowles]]'''
13th Nov '15 5:59:34 AM hamonrye
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->''"My theory on the backlash to this film has less to do with the quality of what's on the screen and what it represents; a pre-postmodern America of the pulps and the frontier, an America of ''[[IWantMyJetpack possibility]]'' that's lost to us now. ''Literature/JohnCarter, Warlord of Mars'' is definitely not a postmodern superhero, and can't be revised to postmodernity the way Guy Ritchie's ''Film/SherlockHolmes'' was."''
-->--'''[[http://secretsun.blogspot.com/2012/03/pop-culture-has-eaten-itself.html Christopher Loring Knowles]]''' on ''Film/JohnCarter''
28th Oct '15 9:30:05 AM hamonrye
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->''"So ''Film/MadMax'', or, as it's called in its native land, '[[LandDownunder Med Mex]]', finally rolls into Video Game Town... only to find that the industry is way ahead of it and we've already played what might as well have been the ''Mad Max'' video game about seventeen times already by my count, between ''{{VideoGame/Borderlands}}'', ''{{VideoGame/Rage}}'', ''{{VideoGame/Carmageddon}}'', the entire ''{{VideoGame/Fallout}}'' franchise and, to a lesser extent, ''[[VideoGame/SuperMarioKart Mario Kart]]''."''
-->--'''''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation'''''

16th Oct '15 12:58:23 PM hamonrye
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->''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' was so insanely, teeth-grindingly terrible it nearly killed the entire ''Star Trek'' franchise (and {{space opera}}, arguably, as well) forever. Even Jeri Ryan in a lycra suit couldn't redeem this atrocity, which took every annoying tic and quirk and cringe-inducing faux pas of every ''Star Trek'' episode ever and built a series around it.
-->--'''[[http://secretsunjr.blogspot.com/2010/03/mystery-voyager-theatre.html Christopher Loring Knowles]]'''
8th Oct '15 11:43:50 AM namingway
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-->--'''[[http://metagearsolid.org/2012/04/mgs2-review-chapter-1/ Terry Wolf]]''', [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty MGS2]]: A Complete Breakdown"]]

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-->--'''[[http://metagearsolid.org/2012/04/mgs2-review-chapter-1/ Terry Wolf]]''', [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty MGS2]]: A Complete Breakdown"]]
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->''"For the most part, everyone hates it now; you, everyone looks back on those prequels like, "''ooohh, those things were dogshit, Jar-Jar Binks sucked."'' Everyone hates it. Now, everyone talks about George Lucas like [[ScapegoatCreator he's a fuckin' idiot]], he "[[RuinedFOREVER ruined]]" ''Star Wars'', y'know, {{blah blah blah}}.\\\
'''''NO.''''' Back in the day, when ''Phantom Menace'' came out. [[OneHundredPercentAdorationRating EVERYONE. LOVED. THE PHANTOM MENACE.]] ''Critics.'' Movie critics, Creator/RogerEbert, all the major critics HIGHLY REVIEWED ''The Phantom Menace''. People walked outta there COMPLETELY SATISFIED with ''The Phantom Menace''.
-->--'''[[WebVideo/TheSpoonyExperiment Noah Antwiler]]''' [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rfLYqaMXP0 Wrestle! Wrestle!]]''

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->''"For the most part, everyone hates it now; you, everyone looks back on those prequels like, "''ooohh, those things were dogshit, Jar-Jar Binks sucked."'' Everyone hates it. Now, everyone talks about George Lucas like [[ScapegoatCreator he's a fuckin' idiot]], idiot, he "[[RuinedFOREVER ruined]]" ''Star Wars'', y'know, {{blah blah blah}}.\\\
'''''NO.''''' Back in the day, when ''Phantom Menace'' came out. [[OneHundredPercentAdorationRating EVERYONE. LOVED. THE PHANTOM MENACE.]] ''Critics.'' Movie critics, Creator/RogerEbert, all the major critics HIGHLY REVIEWED ''The Phantom Menace''. People walked outta there COMPLETELY SATISFIED with ''The Phantom Menace''.
-->--'''[[WebVideo/TheSpoonyExperiment Noah Antwiler]]''' Antwiler]]''', [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rfLYqaMXP0 Wrestle! Wrestle!]]''
8th Oct '15 11:42:36 AM namingway
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->''I like pop, I like soul, I like rock, but I never liked disco!''
-->-- Music/{{Everclear}}, "AM Radio"

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->"At one stage I did set fire to a whole pile of disco records and declare that disco was dead. I think [[TemptingFate within a month there were three disco tracks in the top ten]], so it wasn't a great gesture."
-->-- '''Peter Garrett''' of Music/MidnightOil, ''Long Way to the Top: Stories of Australian Rock & Roll''[[note]]Later on, he admits "I kind of like disco now".[[/note]]

->''"At a certain point, with age, we lose our grip on which ideas are cyclical and which ideas are perpetual and which ideas have died out. Madonna is just mimicking modes of edginess that worked for her in the past--that were new and important in the past--but what was once progressive nearly always becomes regressive. Because we learn so much all the time. The racial exploitation of ''Sex''-era Madonna was provocative once; [[TheManIsStickingItToTheMan now it's just exploitation.]] So when do we cut our idols loose? When does the Queen of Reinvention run out of raw materials and turn into the, um, Lesser Duchess of Recycling?"''

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->"At one stage I did set fire to a whole pile of disco records and declare that disco was dead. I think [[TemptingFate within a month there were three disco tracks in the top ten]], so it wasn't a great gesture."
-->-- '''Peter Garrett''' of Music/MidnightOil, ''Long Way to the Top: Stories of Australian Rock & Roll''[[note]]Later on, he admits "I kind of like disco now".[[/note]]

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->''"At a certain point, with age, we lose our grip on which ideas are cyclical and which ideas are perpetual and which ideas have died out. Madonna {{Music/Madonna}} is just mimicking modes of edginess that worked for her in the past--that were new and important in the past--but what was once progressive nearly always becomes regressive. Because we learn so much all the time. The racial exploitation of ''Sex''-era Madonna was provocative once; [[TheManIsStickingItToTheMan now it's just exploitation.]] So when do we cut our idols loose? When does the Queen of Reinvention run out of raw materials and turn into the, um, Lesser Duchess of Recycling?"''



->"If you take a film like ''Film/ThePrincessBride'', which had moderate success in theatres, but [[VindicatedByHistory went on to eventually become a famous part of popular culture]], ''Insurrection'' is the flipside of the coin, hitting theaters hard, but then falling flat on its face. While it is now critically mixed, at the time, a substantial number said that it broke the [[StarTrekMovieCurse odd-numbered rule]]. I know it sounds unbelievable, but that's because it's a movie that doesn't stand the test of time."

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->"If ->''"There were [[LimitedWardrobe his omnipresent black clothes and ponytail]], constants that became more comical with each film. The way his acting [[DulLSurprise never got any better]]. The stupid way he would [[GangstaStyle hold his pistol sideways]] all the time. The fact that [[ImperialStormtrooperMarksmanshipAcademy no one ever shot him from a distance]], but invariably walked up to him so that he could do that gun flipping move he [[StrictlyFormula trotted out every movie]]. The silly way he [[ClintSquint squinched his face]] when he was supposed to be pissed off. The lack of an adversary who could even marginally challenge [[PlotArmor the omnipotent Seagal]], which eventually sort of lowered the suspense level. Even Seagal’s trademark fighting move, quickly grabbing and snapping an opponent’s arm, became farcical the forty or fiftieth time you saw it."''
-->--'''''Jabootu''''' [[http://www.jabootu.com/ondeadlyground.htm on]] ''Film/OnDeadlyGround''

->''"It was a genuine smash hit. But just a few years later, the critics hated it. It went from being called a masterpiece to masturbatory. In some cases, the same people who’d initially given it perfect scores were now mocking it openly, as if it had somehow changed for the worse. It hadn’t, of course, but this didn’t stop them from changing their minds. Calling it convoluted, pretentious, and full of 'metababble', they joined the fans in [[ScapegoatCreator demanding answers, customer satisfaction, and justice]] from series creator Hideo Kojima."''
-->--'''[[http://metagearsolid.org/2012/04/mgs2-review-chapter-1/ Terry Wolf]]''', [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty MGS2]]: A Complete Breakdown"]]

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->''"If
you take a film like ''Film/ThePrincessBride'', which had moderate success in theatres, but [[VindicatedByHistory went on to eventually become a famous part of popular culture]], culture, ''Insurrection'' is the flipside flip side of the coin, hitting theaters hard, but then falling flat on its face. While it is now critically mixed, at the time, a substantial number said that it broke the [[StarTrekMovieCurse odd-numbered rule]]. I know it sounds unbelievable, but that's because it's a movie that doesn't stand the test of time.""''



->''"What a lot of people don't realize or don't remember--or choose ''not'' to remember--is that when people saw ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'' for the first time in theaters...they loved it.\\\
They LOVED it. When YOU saw it in theaters, '''''YOU''''' loved it! And maybe you don't remember that. For the most part, everyone hates it now; you, everyone looks back on those prequels like, "''ooohh, those things were dogshit, Jar-Jar Binks sucked."'' Everyone hates it. ''Now'', everyone talks about George Lucas like [[ScapegoatCreator he's a fuckin' idiot]], he "[[RuinedFOREVER ruined]]" ''Star Wars'', y'know, {{blah blah blah}}.\\\

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->''"What a lot of people don't realize or don't remember--or choose ''not'' to remember--is that when people saw ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'' for the first time in theaters...they loved it.\\\
They LOVED it. When YOU saw it in theaters, '''''YOU''''' loved it! And maybe you don't remember that. For
->''"For the most part, everyone hates it now; you, everyone looks back on those prequels like, "''ooohh, those things were dogshit, Jar-Jar Binks sucked."'' Everyone hates it. ''Now'', Now, everyone talks about George Lucas like [[ScapegoatCreator he's a fuckin' idiot]], he "[[RuinedFOREVER ruined]]" ''Star Wars'', y'know, {{blah blah blah}}.\\\



-->--'''[[WebVideo/TheSpoonyExperiment Noah Antwiler]]''' [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rfLYqaMXP0 on]] ''[[{{Wrestling/WWE}} Wrestlemania XXX]]''

->''"There were [[ClothesMakeTheLegend his omnipresent black clothes and ponytail]], constants that became more comical with each film. The way his acting [[DulLSurprise never got any better]]. The stupid way he would [[GangstaStyle hold his pistol sideways]] all the time. The fact that [[ImperialStormtrooperMarksmanshipAcademy no one ever shot him from a distance]], but invariably walked up to him so that he could do [[SignatureMove that gun flipping move]] he trotted out every movie. The silly way [[ClintSquint he squinched his face]] when he was supposed to be pissed off. The lack of an adversary who could even marginally challenge [[PlotArmor the omnipotent Seagal]], which eventually sort of lowered the suspense level. Even Seagal’s trademark fighting move, quickly grabbing and snapping an opponent’s arm, became farcical the forty or fiftieth time you saw it."''
-->--'''''Jabootu''''' [[http://www.jabootu.com/ondeadlyground.htm on]] ''Film/OnDeadlyGround''

->''"''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty'' received perfect scores and critical acclaim when it was released in 2001, selling millions of copies and single-handedly raising the bar for big action titles... It was a genuine smash hit. But just a few years later, the critics hated it. It went from being called a masterpiece to masturbatory. In some cases, the same people who’d initially given it perfect scores were now mocking it openly, as if it had somehow changed for the worse. It hadn’t, of course, but this didn’t stop them from changing their minds. Calling it convoluted, pretentious, and full of 'metababble', they joined the fans in [[TorchesAndPitchforks demanding answers, customer satisfaction, and justice]] from series creator Creator/HideoKojima."''
-->--'''Terry Wolf''', [[http://metagearsolid.org/2012/04/mgs2-review-chapter-1/ MGS2: A Complete Breakdown"]]

->'''Casanova Frankenstein:''' It must have been hard for you, [[DiscoDan Tony]], the way times and styles have changed... hearing the people say that disco is dead--\\
'''Tony:''' Disco is '''NOT''' dead! Disco is '''LIFE'''!!
-->-- ''Film/MysteryMen''

->''I like pop, I like soul, I like rock, but I never liked disco!''
-->-- Music/{{Everclear}}, "AM Radio"

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-->--'''[[WebVideo/TheSpoonyExperiment Noah Antwiler]]''' [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rfLYqaMXP0 on]] ''[[{{Wrestling/WWE}} Wrestlemania XXX]]''

->''"There were [[ClothesMakeTheLegend his omnipresent black clothes and ponytail]], constants
Wrestle! Wrestle!]]''

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->''"It does not look remarkable different from ''[[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration Next Generation]]'', in my opinion. I think it is edited in the same way, the way it’s staged, the direction
that became more comical they’re allowed to do, how they tell a story, the lighting scheme – a lot of it is very, very redolent of ''Next Generation''… It has not moved on with each film. The way his acting [[DulLSurprise never got any better]]. The stupid way he would [[GangstaStyle hold his pistol sideways]] all the time. The fact that [[ImperialStormtrooperMarksmanshipAcademy no one ever shot him from television. It’s still stuck in a distance]], but invariably walked up to him so that he could do [[SignatureMove that gun flipping move]] he trotted out every movie. The silly way [[ClintSquint he squinched his face]] when he was supposed to be pissed off. The lack of an adversary who could even marginally challenge [[PlotArmor the omnipotent Seagal]], which eventually sort of lowered the suspense level. Even Seagal’s trademark fighting move, quickly grabbing and snapping an opponent’s arm, became farcical the forty or fiftieth time you saw it.very old groove."''
-->--'''''Jabootu''''' [[http://www.jabootu.com/ondeadlyground.htm on]] ''Film/OnDeadlyGround''

->''"''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty'' received perfect scores and critical acclaim when it was released in 2001, selling millions of copies and single-handedly raising the bar for big action titles... It was a genuine smash hit. But just a few years later, the critics hated it. It went from being called a masterpiece to masturbatory. In some cases, the same people who’d initially given it perfect scores were now mocking it openly, as if it had somehow changed for the worse. It hadn’t, of course, but this didn’t stop them from changing their minds. Calling it convoluted, pretentious, and full of 'metababble', they joined the fans in [[TorchesAndPitchforks demanding answers, customer satisfaction, and justice]] from series creator Creator/HideoKojima."''
-->--'''Terry Wolf''', [[http://metagearsolid.org/2012/04/mgs2-review-chapter-1/ MGS2: A Complete Breakdown"]]

->'''Casanova Frankenstein:''' It must have been hard for you, [[DiscoDan Tony]], the way times and styles have changed... hearing the people say that disco is dead--\\
'''Tony:''' Disco is '''NOT''' dead! Disco is '''LIFE'''!!
-->-- ''Film/MysteryMen''

->''I like pop, I like soul, I like rock, but I never liked disco!''
-->-- Music/{{Everclear}}, "AM Radio"
-->--'''Ron D. Moore''' on ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise''
7th Aug '15 5:34:53 PM johnnyfog
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->''"What a lot of people don't realize or don't remember--or choose ''not'' to remember--is that when people saw ''The Phantom Menace'' for the first time in theaters...they loved it.\\\

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->''"What a lot of people don't realize or don't remember--or choose ''not'' to remember--is that when people saw ''The Phantom Menace'' ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'' for the first time in theaters...they loved it.\\\
7th Aug '15 5:34:33 PM johnnyfog
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->''"At a certain point, with age, we lose our grip on which ideas are cyclical and which ideas are perpetual and which ideas have died out. Madonna is just mimicking modes of edginess that worked for her in the past--that were new and important in the past--but what was once progressive nearly always becomes regressive. Because we learn so much all the time. The racial exploitation of ''Sex''-era Madonna was provocative once; [[TheManIsStickingItToTheMan now it's just exploitation.]] So when do we cut our idols loose? When does the Queen of Reinvention run out of raw materials and turn into the, um, Lesser Duchess of Recycling?"''
-->--'''''Jezebel''''', [[http://jezebel.com/madonna-what-are-you-doing-1510137010 "Madonna, What Are You Doing."]]



->''"What a lot of people don't realize or don't remember--or choose ''not'' to remember--is that when people saw ''The Phantom Menace'' for the first time in theaters...they loved it.\\\
They LOVED it. When YOU saw it in theaters, '''''YOU''''' loved it! And maybe you don't remember that. For the most part, everyone hates it now; you, everyone looks back on those prequels like, "''ooohh, those things were dogshit, Jar-Jar Binks sucked."'' Everyone hates it. ''Now'', everyone talks about George Lucas like [[ScapegoatCreator he's a fuckin' idiot]], he "[[RuinedFOREVER ruined]]" ''Star Wars'', y'know, {{blah blah blah}}.\\\
'''''NO.''''' Back in the day, when ''Phantom Menace'' came out. [[OneHundredPercentAdorationRating EVERYONE. LOVED. THE PHANTOM MENACE.]] ''Critics.'' Movie critics, Creator/RogerEbert, all the major critics HIGHLY REVIEWED ''The Phantom Menace''. People walked outta there COMPLETELY SATISFIED with ''The Phantom Menace''.
-->--'''[[WebVideo/TheSpoonyExperiment Noah Antwiler]]''' [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rfLYqaMXP0 on]] ''[[{{Wrestling/WWE}} Wrestlemania XXX]]''

->''"There were [[ClothesMakeTheLegend his omnipresent black clothes and ponytail]], constants that became more comical with each film. The way his acting [[DulLSurprise never got any better]]. The stupid way he would [[GangstaStyle hold his pistol sideways]] all the time. The fact that [[ImperialStormtrooperMarksmanshipAcademy no one ever shot him from a distance]], but invariably walked up to him so that he could do [[SignatureMove that gun flipping move]] he trotted out every movie. The silly way [[ClintSquint he squinched his face]] when he was supposed to be pissed off. The lack of an adversary who could even marginally challenge [[PlotArmor the omnipotent Seagal]], which eventually sort of lowered the suspense level. Even Seagal’s trademark fighting move, quickly grabbing and snapping an opponent’s arm, became farcical the forty or fiftieth time you saw it."''
-->--'''''Jabootu''''' [[http://www.jabootu.com/ondeadlyground.htm on]] ''Film/OnDeadlyGround''

->''"''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty'' received perfect scores and critical acclaim when it was released in 2001, selling millions of copies and single-handedly raising the bar for big action titles... It was a genuine smash hit. But just a few years later, the critics hated it. It went from being called a masterpiece to masturbatory. In some cases, the same people who’d initially given it perfect scores were now mocking it openly, as if it had somehow changed for the worse. It hadn’t, of course, but this didn’t stop them from changing their minds. Calling it convoluted, pretentious, and full of 'metababble', they joined the fans in [[TorchesAndPitchforks demanding answers, customer satisfaction, and justice]] from series creator Creator/HideoKojima."''
-->--'''Terry Wolf''', [[http://metagearsolid.org/2012/04/mgs2-review-chapter-1/ MGS2: A Complete Breakdown"]]



->"The Twilight thing ... how long do you think it's gonna be? Like ... fifteen years, ten ... when we look back on the Twilight saga and go 'Jesus Christ, what the fuck are we doing'?' Like, I was trying to think of cultural fads that were similiar to that, like, uh, disco.\\
\\
And I was like, nah, you kind of make fun of disco, but disco had '''some''' merit. No, no no no no no, I was like ... Vanilla Ice, or New Kids on the Block. You know, these things that are even today like punchlines of things that we really thought were just cool as hell ... cool as ice .. that we just look back and we shake our heads and we go 'Oh my God! We had posters of that guy! Like, we bought books! We bought tickets to that!'"
-->-- '''[[WebVideo/TheSpoonyExperiment Noah Antwiler]]''', towards the end of his V-Log discussion of the ''Twilight: Eclipse'' movie.
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