History Quotes / AnimationAgeGhetto

6th Jul '17 4:02:17 PM ElSquibbonator
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-->--Blog/CartoonBrew writer '''Neil Emmett''', during his post [[http://www.cartoonbrew.com/ideas-commentary/how-can-we-make-adult-animation-truly-adult-86385.html "How Can We Make Adult Animation Truly Adult?"]]

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-->--Blog/CartoonBrew writer '''Neil Emmett''', during his post [[http://www.cartoonbrew.com/ideas-commentary/how-can-we-make-adult-animation-truly-adult-86385.html "How Can We Make Adult Animation Truly Adult?"]]
Adult?"]], and ripping on ThisVeryWiki in the process.
18th Jun '17 9:37:53 AM nombretomado
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-->-- '''WaltDisney'''

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-->-- '''WaltDisney'''
'''Creator/WaltDisney'''



-->--- '''[[WaltDisney Walter Elias Disney]]''' to people who miss the point of Classic Disney films

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-->--- '''[[WaltDisney '''[[Creator/WaltDisney Walter Elias Disney]]''' to people who miss the point of Classic Disney films
28th May '17 4:09:26 PM nombretomado
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->''Animation and film in this country really started back in the day with two different styles of performing: {{Melodrama}} (if you look to your classical black-and-white silent films, ''Film/{{The Birth of a Nation|1915}}'', Creator/DWGriffith stuff) and vaudeville (Creator/BusterKeaton, Creator/CharlieChaplin); and if you look at animation, it's pretty similar. The WarnerBros, WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes stuff tends to be the vaudevillian, Daffy Duck-fall-on-his-face kind of thing, and [[Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon Disney]] tends to be the melodrama. But Disney was obsessed with doing childhood fantasy, and that became sort of the dominant theme for animation. So, animation in this country sort of got equated with one genre; the entire medium of animation in America kind of got associated with this one genre- "for children," [[TropeCodifier and that's pretty much because of Disney]]. The only alternative, then, is the WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes sort of "irreverent animation", which then turns into ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'', ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'', and ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', where it's going to be very adult, {{Satire}} sort of storytelling, and there's a wasteland in the middle.''

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->''Animation and film in this country really started back in the day with two different styles of performing: {{Melodrama}} (if you look to your classical black-and-white silent films, ''Film/{{The Birth of a Nation|1915}}'', Creator/DWGriffith stuff) and vaudeville (Creator/BusterKeaton, Creator/CharlieChaplin); and if you look at animation, it's pretty similar. The WarnerBros, Creator/WarnerBros, WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes stuff tends to be the vaudevillian, Daffy Duck-fall-on-his-face kind of thing, and [[Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon Disney]] tends to be the melodrama. But Disney was obsessed with doing childhood fantasy, and that became sort of the dominant theme for animation. So, animation in this country sort of got equated with one genre; the entire medium of animation in America kind of got associated with this one genre- "for children," [[TropeCodifier and that's pretty much because of Disney]]. The only alternative, then, is the WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes sort of "irreverent animation", which then turns into ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'', ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'', and ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', where it's going to be very adult, {{Satire}} sort of storytelling, and there's a wasteland in the middle.''
16th May '17 3:27:13 PM nombretomado
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->''"[[TVTropes The site]] prides itself on covering as broad a range of fiction as possible, emerging as a sometimes fascinating form of populist, open-access media scholarship. In theory, this would make it the perfect place to cover lost gems of animation, but in practice it has many blind spots. There is little discussion about [[Creator/JanSvankmajer (Jan) Svankmajer]] or [[Film/PropertyOfTheRepublic Yuri]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Taltn1aLtsM Norstein]], while juvenile mediocrities such as {{Creator/Disney}}'s {{WesternAnimation/Gargoyles}} are treated as masterpieces on a par with the television dramas of [[Series/PenniesFromHeaven Dennis]] [[Series/TheSingingDetective Potter]] and [[Creator/DavidSimon David]] [[Series/TheWire Simon]]. TV Tropes has a page devoted to what it calls the Animation Age Ghetto, which gives a reasonable if scattershot overview of the subject. The page's "examples" section, however, consists in large part of people filibustering about how their favorite superhero cartoons never caught on. The main reason that most of these cartoons never attracted adult audiences, of course, is that [[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids they are simply not for adults.]]"''

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->''"[[TVTropes ->''"[[Wiki/TVTropes The site]] prides itself on covering as broad a range of fiction as possible, emerging as a sometimes fascinating form of populist, open-access media scholarship. In theory, this would make it the perfect place to cover lost gems of animation, but in practice it has many blind spots. There is little discussion about [[Creator/JanSvankmajer (Jan) Svankmajer]] or [[Film/PropertyOfTheRepublic Yuri]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Taltn1aLtsM Norstein]], while juvenile mediocrities such as {{Creator/Disney}}'s {{WesternAnimation/Gargoyles}} are treated as masterpieces on a par with the television dramas of [[Series/PenniesFromHeaven Dennis]] [[Series/TheSingingDetective Potter]] and [[Creator/DavidSimon David]] [[Series/TheWire Simon]]. TV Tropes has a page devoted to what it calls the Animation Age Ghetto, which gives a reasonable if scattershot overview of the subject. The page's "examples" section, however, consists in large part of people filibustering about how their favorite superhero cartoons never caught on. The main reason that most of these cartoons never attracted adult audiences, of course, is that [[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids they are simply not for adults.]]"''
4th Apr '17 5:09:25 PM nombretomado
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-->-- '''Daniel B. Kline''', [[http://www.wickedlocal.com/swampscott/news/lifestyle/columnists/x124609719/DAN-KLINE-COLUMN-Movie-critics-have-lost-all-credibility on]] {{Pixar}}'s ''WesternAnimation/{{Up}}''. Thankfully, [[BerserkButton this has not passed without comment]] here in Troperville (including this very article).

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-->-- '''Daniel B. Kline''', [[http://www.wickedlocal.com/swampscott/news/lifestyle/columnists/x124609719/DAN-KLINE-COLUMN-Movie-critics-have-lost-all-credibility on]] {{Pixar}}'s {{Creator/Pixar}}'s ''WesternAnimation/{{Up}}''. Thankfully, [[BerserkButton this has not passed without comment]] here in Troperville (including this very article).



-> "There are shackles with the budgets and the profit margins. You want to compete with what they’re doing at {{Pixar}} and Creator/DreamWorks. There’s a price tag with that just in terms of achieving that quality level. What happened to the Creator/{{Ralph Bakshi}}s of the world? We’re all sitting here talking about family entertainment. Does animation have to be family entertainment? I think at that cost, yes. (...) What I’m saying is we could make animation that’s not for the kids to see, too. I don’t think you want to say, “Hey, bring your family to this movie that’s inappropriate.” But animation can be so much more if we let those boundaries loose."

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-> "There are shackles with the budgets and the profit margins. You want to compete with what they’re doing at {{Pixar}} {{Creator/Pixar}} and Creator/DreamWorks. There’s a price tag with that just in terms of achieving that quality level. What happened to the Creator/{{Ralph Bakshi}}s of the world? We’re all sitting here talking about family entertainment. Does animation have to be family entertainment? I think at that cost, yes. (...) What I’m saying is we could make animation that’s not for the kids to see, too. I don’t think you want to say, “Hey, bring your family to this movie that’s inappropriate.” But animation can be so much more if we let those boundaries loose."
20th Mar '17 12:28:07 AM rjd1922
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->''"It’s not a genre! A Western is a genre! Animation is an art form, and it can do any genre. You know, it can do a detective film, a cowboy film, a horror film, an R-rated film or a kids’ fairy tale. But it doesn’t do one thing. [[BerserkButton And, next time I hear, ‘What’s it like working in the animation genre?’ I’m going to punch that person!]]”''

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->''"It’s ->''"People think of animation only doing things where people are dancing around and doing a lot of histrionics, but animation is not a genre. And people keep saying, ‘The animation genre.’ It’s not a genre! A Western is a genre! Animation is an art form, and it can do any genre. You know, it can do a detective film, a cowboy film, a horror film, an R-rated film or a kids’ fairy tale. But it doesn’t do one thing. [[BerserkButton And, next time I hear, ‘What’s it like working in the animation genre?’ I’m going to punch that person!]]”''
16th Feb '17 2:20:59 PM Mewseeker
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->''Why is everything so super serious? They all are cartoon characters.''
-->-- '''[[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIFFHe4tvOkpQXexgdYoIHw GSDBoxer]]''', [[https://youtu.be/HvOoTwXIUTE reacting]] to the scenario "Lost" in [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/CreepyCastle Creepy Castle]].
13th Jan '17 12:10:15 AM Xtifr
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'''[[Literature/WhereTheWildThingsAre Maurice]] [[Literature/LittleBear Sendak]]:''' I don't write for children.\\

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'''[[Literature/WhereTheWildThingsAre Maurice]] [[Literature/LittleBear Sendak]]:''' '''Creator/MauriceSendak:''' I don't write for children.\\
9th Jan '17 5:01:51 PM rjd1922
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->''"A children's story that can only be enjoyed by children is not a good children's story in the slightest."''

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->''"A children's children’s story that can only be which is enjoyed only by children is not a good children's story in the slightest.bad children’s story."''
6th Nov '16 12:58:26 AM JetpackPercy
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-->-- '''Hardcore Gaming 101''' on ''Gimmick!'', a [[NintendoHard tough-as-nails]] [[PlatformHell platformer]]... or at least on the reviews by Electronic Gaming Monthly, who mostly dismissed it as a poor, easy Franchise/{{Kirby}} clone.

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-->-- '''Hardcore '''[[http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/gimmick/gimmick.htm Hardcore Gaming 101''' 101]]''' on ''Gimmick!'', a [[NintendoHard tough-as-nails]] [[PlatformHell platformer]]... or at least on the reviews by Electronic Gaming Monthly, who mostly dismissed it as a poor, easy Franchise/{{Kirby}} clone.
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