History PlayingWith / VillainSue

10th Nov '16 10:31:00 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Meta case - A genuinely flawless and invincible villain can easily turn a story into a ShootTheShaggyDog ordeal, rendering most plot developments irrelevant and [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy alienating the audience in the process]].
10th Nov '16 10:28:20 PM Historian1912
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** His Mary Sueness is provided by [[ManBehindTheMan someone more powerful than him]]; once he loses his master's favour, Darkness is stripped of his power and can finally be thrashed.

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** His Mary Sueness is provided by [[ManBehindTheMan someone more powerful than him]]; once he loses his master's favour, favor, Darkness is stripped of his power and can finally be thrashed.



** King Light, as the heroes gradually realize, actually kind of ''[[PokeThePoodle sucks]]'' at the "being evil" part of being a villain. As it turns out, the very utopian dreams that motivate him to turn into the next would be world leader also guide his ethics; a perfect leader, he belives, must also be [[IdealHero someone his subjects respect]], which means he must not only be the Bishonen genius he is, but better than his opposition morally. Which means, of course, that he has to be more heroic than the actual heroes, and that means little-to-no amoral or immoral actions. This causes everyone to realize that Light isn't actually a threat, and they decide to ignore him from then on out. The very fact he's a better person means he can't be taken seriously-he just doesn't have the heart.

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** King Light, as the heroes gradually realize, actually kind of ''[[PokeThePoodle sucks]]'' at the "being evil" part of being a villain. As it turns out, the very utopian dreams that motivate him to turn into the next would be world leader also guide his ethics; a perfect leader, he belives, believes, must also be [[IdealHero someone his subjects respect]], which means he must not only be the Bishonen genius he is, but better than his opposition morally. Which means, of course, that he has to be more heroic than the actual heroes, and that means little-to-no amoral or immoral actions. This causes everyone to realize that Light isn't actually a threat, and they decide to ignore him from then on out. The very fact he's a better person means he can't be taken seriously-he just doesn't have the heart.
10th Nov '16 10:25:14 PM Historian1912
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* '''Exaggerated''': Darkness, the King of Dark, is so beautiful that [[EvenTheGuysWantHim women and men]] [[SoBeautifulItsACurse die on him due his extraordinary looks]]; so powerful that [[StoryBreakerPower no one can really oppose to him]], and he [[NewPowersAsThePlotDemands keeps getting new powers to boot]]; and [[OmnidisciplinaryScientist so intelligent and skilled]] that he puts super-computers to shame and can built an entire fortress out of scrap. He likes to ruin the lives of countless individuals [[ForTheEvulz just for the kicks of it]], and after the end of the story, [[KarmaHoudini he doesn't get to pay for his crimes]]. Oh yeah, but [[MisaimedFandom the fan-girls adore him!]]

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* '''Exaggerated''': Darkness, the King of Dark, is so beautiful that [[EvenTheGuysWantHim women and men]] [[SoBeautifulItsACurse die on him due his extraordinary looks]]; so powerful that [[StoryBreakerPower no one can really oppose to him]], and he [[NewPowersAsThePlotDemands keeps getting new powers to boot]]; and [[OmnidisciplinaryScientist so intelligent and skilled]] that he puts super-computers to shame and can built build an entire fortress out of scrap. He likes to ruin the lives of countless individuals [[ForTheEvulz just for the kicks of it]], and after the end of the story, [[KarmaHoudini he doesn't get to pay for his crimes]]. Oh yeah, but [[MisaimedFandom the fan-girls adore him!]]
22nd Jul '16 3:46:03 AM Cootling
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** The heroes start weak, but grow strong. Eventually, [[EarnYourHappyEnding they defeat King Light/Darkness, King of Dark.]]


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** King Light/Darkness needed the heroes to defeat him in order to advance some evil plot. In other words, he actually let the heroes win, and now he is stronger than ever.
14th Mar '16 11:05:06 AM Leliel
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** King Light, as the heroes gradually realize, actually kind of ''[[PokeThePoodle sucks]]'' at the "being evil" part of being a villain. As it turns out, the very utopian dreams that motivate him to turn into the next would be world leader also guide his ethics; a perfect leader, he belives, must also be [[IdealHero someone his subjects respect]], which means he must not only be the Bishonen genius he is, but better than his opposition morally. Which means, of course, that he has to be more heroic than the actual heroes, and that means little-to-no amoral or immoral actions. This causes everyone to realize that Light isn't actually a threat, and they decide to ignore him from then on out. The very fact he's a better person means he can't be taken seriously-he just doesn't have the heart.
13th Apr '15 8:21:26 AM KingGrimlock
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* '''Exaggerated''': Darkness, the King of Dark, is so beautiful that [[EvenTheGuysWantHim women and men]] [[SoBeautifulItsACurse die on him due his extraordinary looks]]; so powerful that [[StoryBreakerPower no one can really oppose to him]], and he [[NewPowersAsThePlotDemands keeps getting new powers to boost]]; and [[OmnidisciplinaryScientist so intelligent and skilled]] that he puts super-computers to shame and can built an entire fortress out of scrap. He likes to ruin the lives of countless individuals [[ForTheEvulz just for the kicks of it]], and after the end of the story, [[KarmaHoudini he doesn't get to pay for his crimes]]. Oh yeah, but [[MisaimedFandom the fan-girls adore him!]]

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* '''Exaggerated''': Darkness, the King of Dark, is so beautiful that [[EvenTheGuysWantHim women and men]] [[SoBeautifulItsACurse die on him due his extraordinary looks]]; so powerful that [[StoryBreakerPower no one can really oppose to him]], and he [[NewPowersAsThePlotDemands keeps getting new powers to boost]]; boot]]; and [[OmnidisciplinaryScientist so intelligent and skilled]] that he puts super-computers to shame and can built an entire fortress out of scrap. He likes to ruin the lives of countless individuals [[ForTheEvulz just for the kicks of it]], and after the end of the story, [[KarmaHoudini he doesn't get to pay for his crimes]]. Oh yeah, but [[MisaimedFandom the fan-girls adore him!]]
7th Feb '14 1:36:52 AM DA
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* '''Enforced''': The writers want an absurdly powerful villain to build up anticipation, and sales, for his inevitable defeat.

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* '''Enforced''': '''Enforced''':
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The writers want an absurdly powerful villain to build up anticipation, and sales, for his inevitable defeat.defeat.
** The programmers wanted King Light to be ThatOneBoss, and made Darkness, the King of Dark a super-powerful BonusBoss.



* '''Exploited''': Another villain uses Light Knight's absurd amount of power & clever schemes to distract everyone from an even greater threat.

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* '''Exploited''': Another villain uses Light Knight's absurd amount of power & and clever schemes to distract everyone from an even greater threat.



* '''Discussed''': "Something tells me the great powers from beyond didn't held any barrels when they created this invincible jerk. We are screwed..".

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* '''Discussed''': "Something tells me the great powers from beyond PowersThatBe didn't held any barrels hold back when they created this invincible jerk. We are screwed..".



* '''Reconstructed''': Send in the {{Showy Invincible Hero}} to fight the {{Villain Sue}} in the {{Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny}}. Watch the fireworks fly.

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* '''Reconstructed''': Send in the {{Showy Invincible Hero}} ShowyInvincibleHero to fight the {{Villain Sue}} VillainSue in the {{Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny}}.UltimateShowdownofUltimateDestiny. Watch the fireworks fly.
11th Dec '13 4:53:35 PM BibsDibs
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** PuritySue
10th Dec '13 10:59:38 AM SeraphimSwordmaster
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** King Light is a MasterOfIllusion who just tricks heroes with powerful hypnosis into thinking that he's superior to them. Once his spell is broken, he's utterly harmless.
6th Aug '13 9:42:00 AM Tehrannotaur
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* '''Downplayed''': Darkness, King of Dark is said to have numerous flaws. [[InformedFlaw But these flaws never hinder him]] from {{curb stomp|Battle}}ing the heroes every single time they fight.

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* '''Downplayed''': '''Downplayed''':
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Darkness, King of Dark is said to have numerous flaws. [[InformedFlaw But these flaws never hinder him]] from {{curb stomp|Battle}}ing the heroes every single time they fight.fight.
** JerkSue
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