History PlayingWith / UnwinnableByDesign

4th Oct '17 7:09:42 PM famiclick
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* '''Invoked''': Marduk is deliberately hiding some of the legendary equipment in dungeons with {{Load Bearing Boss}}es so that Albert might accidentally make it impossible for him to retrieve, [[ScrewDestiny making the prophecy impossible to fulfill]].

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* '''Invoked''': Marduk Emperor Evulz is deliberately hiding some of the legendary equipment in dungeons with {{Load Bearing Boss}}es so that Albert Alice might accidentally make it impossible for him to retrieve, [[ScrewDestiny making the prophecy impossible to fulfill]].



* '''Played For Laughs''': You can get a NonstandardGameover by [[IdiotBall throwing the key to into the lava when you and your party are on the path to the Evulz's castle.]] Your party members berate you for being mind-numbingly stupid and leave you in a hilarious cut scene. [[CrowningMomentOfFunny This scene becomes a favorite amongst gamers.]]

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* '''Played For Laughs''': You can get a NonstandardGameover [[NonstandardGameover Non-standard Game Over]] by [[IdiotBall throwing the key to into the lava when you and your party are on the path to the Evulz's castle.]] Your party members berate you for being mind-numbingly stupid and leave you in a hilarious cut scene. [[CrowningMomentOfFunny This scene becomes a favorite amongst gamers.]]
4th Oct '17 7:05:21 PM famiclick
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* '''Zig Zagged''': Alice is told flat-out that she needs to recruit the other [[ChosenOne Chosen Ones]] and is warned that the legendary equipment is well-hidden and may be "LostForever to the sands of time" if she isn't careful. It's also impossible to miss recruiting Charlie or Belle, and several warnings are given whenever the player is about to potentially bypass a vital item. On the other hand, Carol is difficult to read and doesn't officially join until late-game, and [[BecauseYouWereNicetoMe only if treated well]], while Francis can be KilledOffforReal without the player realizing Alice can rescue and recruit him, and other equipment can be accidentally missed.

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* '''Zig Zagged''': Alice is told flat-out that she needs to recruit the other [[ChosenOne Chosen Ones]] and is warned that the legendary equipment is well-hidden and may be "LostForever to the sands of time" if she isn't careful. It's also impossible to miss recruiting Charlie or Belle, and several warnings are given whenever the player is about to potentially bypass a vital item. On the other hand, Carol is difficult to read and doesn't officially join until late-game, and [[BecauseYouWereNicetoMe only if treated well]], while Francis can be KilledOffforReal {{Killed Off for Real}} without the player realizing Alice can rescue and recruit him, and other equipment can be accidentally missed.
4th Oct '17 7:03:10 PM famiclick
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* '''Zig Zagged''': Alice is told flat-out that she needs to recruit the other [[ChosenOne Chosen Ones]] and is warned that the legendary equipment is well-hidden and may be "LostForever to the sands of time" if they aren't careful. It's also impossible to miss recruiting Charlie or Belle, and several warnings are given whenever the player is about to potentially bypass a vital item. On the other hand, Carol is difficult to read and doesn't officially join until late-game, and [[ BecauseYouWereNicetoMe only if treated well]], while can be KilledOffforReal without the player even realizing you can rescue and recruit him, and other equipment can be accidentally missed.

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* '''Zig Zagged''': Alice is told flat-out that she needs to recruit the other [[ChosenOne Chosen Ones]] and is warned that the legendary equipment is well-hidden and may be "LostForever to the sands of time" if they aren't she isn't careful. It's also impossible to miss recruiting Charlie or Belle, and several warnings are given whenever the player is about to potentially bypass a vital item. On the other hand, Carol is difficult to read and doesn't officially join until late-game, and [[ BecauseYouWereNicetoMe [[BecauseYouWereNicetoMe only if treated well]], while Francis can be KilledOffforReal without the player even realizing you Alice can rescue and recruit him, and other equipment can be accidentally missed.
4th Oct '17 6:59:35 PM famiclick
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** Alice is supposed to gather four other Chosen Ones and all of the legendary equipment in order to face Marduk. It is entirely possible to miss recruiting Princess Carol or Francis, or to destroy a LoadBearingBoss without realizing that one of the legendary treasures is still hidden deep inside the dungeon you just wiped out. The player can't continue from this.

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** Alice is supposed to gather four other [[ChosenOne Chosen Ones Ones]] and all of [[MacGuffin the legendary equipment equipment]] in order to face Marduk.Emperor Evulz. It is entirely possible to miss recruiting Princess Carol or Francis, or to destroy a LoadBearingBoss without realizing that one of the legendary treasures is still hidden deep inside the dungeon you just wiped out. The player can't continue from this.



** [[YouLoseAtZeroTrust Angering Francis into leaving]] locks you into the bad ending where Albert dies after defeating Marduk.

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** [[YouLoseAtZeroTrust Angering Francis into leaving]] locks you into the [[EarnYourBadEnding bad ending ending]] where Albert dies [[SuddenDownerEnding Alice dies]] after defeating Marduk.Emperor Evulz.



* '''Zig Zagged''': Zig Zagged: The player is told flat-out that Albert needs to recruit the other Chosen Ones and warned that the legendary equipment is well-hidden and may be "Lost Forever to the sands of time" if they aren't careful. It's also impossible to miss recruiting Marco or Celeste, and several warnings are given whenever the player is about to potentially bypass a vital item. On the other hand, Velvet is difficult to read and doesn't officially join until late-game, and only if treated well, while Pike can be Killed Off for Real without the player even realizing you can rescue and recruit him, and other equipment can be accidentally missed.

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* '''Zig Zagged''': Zig Zagged: The player Alice is told flat-out that Albert she needs to recruit the other [[ChosenOne Chosen Ones Ones]] and is warned that the legendary equipment is well-hidden and may be "Lost Forever "LostForever to the sands of time" if they aren't careful. It's also impossible to miss recruiting Marco or Celeste, recruiting Charlie or Belle, and several warnings are given whenever the player is about to potentially bypass a vital item. On the other hand, Velvet Carol is difficult to read and doesn't officially join until late-game, and [[ BecauseYouWereNicetoMe only if treated well, while Pike well]], while can be Killed Off for Real KilledOffforReal without the player even realizing you can rescue and recruit him, and other equipment can be accidentally missed.



* '''Played For Laughs''': You can get a quasi-NonstandardGameover by [[IdiotBall throwing the key to the pyramids into the lava.]] Your party members berate you for being mind-numbingly stupid and leave you in a hilarious cut scene. [[CrowningMomentOfFunny This scene becomes a favorite amongst gamers.]]
* '''Played For Drama''': Making the game unwinnable requires [[MoralEventHorizon sacrificing Albert's little sister Beth to get a sword of invulnerability, otherwise known as]] [[DirtyCoward the Coward's Sword.]] The only thing left to do in the save file is to listen to everyone yell at you in disgust. [[EvenEvilHasStandards Even Marduk is appalled.]]

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* '''Played For Laughs''': You can get a quasi-NonstandardGameover NonstandardGameover by [[IdiotBall throwing the key to the pyramids into the lava.lava when you and your party are on the path to the Evulz's castle.]] Your party members berate you for being mind-numbingly stupid and leave you in a hilarious cut scene. [[CrowningMomentOfFunny This scene becomes a favorite amongst gamers.]]
* '''Played For Drama''': Making the game unwinnable requires [[MoralEventHorizon sacrificing Albert's Alice's little sister Beth to get a sword of invulnerability, otherwise known as]] [[DirtyCoward the Coward's Sword.]] The only thing left to do in the save file is to listen to everyone yell at you in disgust. [[EvenEvilHasStandards Even Marduk Evulz is appalled.]]
4th Oct '17 6:47:33 PM famiclick
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* '''Straight''': [[AliceandBob Alice]] has to find the legendary gear of the great hero Sir Bob. It's possible for her to miss collecting the [[PowerCrystal Pendant of Power]] or Gauntlets of Greatness before the areas where they are hidden are destroyed by [[BigBad Emperor Evulz]]. If this occurs, the game is rendered unwinnable.

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* '''Straight''': [[AliceandBob Alice]] has to find the legendary gear of the [[RetiredBadass great hero hero]] Sir Bob. It's possible for her to miss collecting the [[PowerCrystal Pendant of Power]] or [[GlovedFistofDoom Gauntlets of Greatness Greatness]] before the areas where they are hidden are destroyed by [[BigBad Emperor Evulz]]. If this occurs, the game is rendered unwinnable.
4th Oct '17 6:41:32 PM famiclick
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* '''Straight''': Alice has to find the legendary gear of the great hero Sir Bob. It's possible for her to miss collecting the Pendant of Power or Gauntlets of Greatness before the areas where they are hidden are destroyed by [[BigBad Emperor Evulz]]. If this occurs, the game is rendered unwinnable.

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* '''Straight''': Alice [[AliceandBob Alice]] has to find the legendary gear of the great hero Sir Bob. It's possible for her to miss collecting the [[PowerCrystal Pendant of Power Power]] or Gauntlets of Greatness before the areas where they are hidden are destroyed by [[BigBad Emperor Evulz]]. If this occurs, the game is rendered unwinnable.
4th Oct '17 6:37:09 PM famiclick
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* '''Straight''': Alice has to find the legendary gear of the great hero Sir Bob. It's possible for her to miss collecting the Pendant of Power or Gauntlets of Greatness before the areas where they are hidden are destroyed by Evulz. If this occurs, the game is rendered unwinnable.

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* '''Straight''': Alice has to find the legendary gear of the great hero Sir Bob. It's possible for her to miss collecting the Pendant of Power or Gauntlets of Greatness before the areas where they are hidden are destroyed by Evulz.by [[BigBad Emperor Evulz]]. If this occurs, the game is rendered unwinnable.



** Alice is supposed to gather four other Chosen Ones and all of the legendary equipment in order to face Marduk. It is entirely possible to miss recruiting Princess Velvet or Pike, or to destroy a LoadBearingBoss without realizing that one of the legendary treasures is still hidden deep inside the dungeon you just wiped out. This makes the game Unwinnable.
** Virtually every action you take in the game can cause an unwinnable state if you do it incorrectly or in the wrong order.

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** Alice is supposed to gather four other Chosen Ones and all of the legendary equipment in order to face Marduk. It is entirely possible to miss recruiting Princess Velvet Carol or Pike, Francis, or to destroy a LoadBearingBoss without realizing that one of the legendary treasures is still hidden deep inside the dungeon you just wiped out. This makes the game Unwinnable.
The player can't continue from this.
** [[TrialAndErrorGameplay Virtually every action you take in the game can cause an unwinnable state if you do it incorrectly or in the wrong order.]]



** [[YouLoseAtZeroTrust Angering Pike into leaving]] locks you into the bad end where Albert dies after defeating Marduk.

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** [[YouLoseAtZeroTrust Angering Pike Francis into leaving]] locks you into the bad end ending where Albert dies after defeating Marduk.
1st Oct '17 5:56:31 PM deer-in-heelys
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** Alice is supposed to gather four other Chosen Ones and all of the legendary equipment in order to face Marduk. It is entirely possible to miss recruiting Princess Velvet or Pike, or to destroy a Load-Bearing Boss without realizing that one of the legendary treasures is still hidden deep inside the dungeon you just wiped out. This makes the game Unwinnable.

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** Alice is supposed to gather four other Chosen Ones and all of the legendary equipment in order to face Marduk. It is entirely possible to miss recruiting Princess Velvet or Pike, or to destroy a Load-Bearing Boss LoadBearingBoss without realizing that one of the legendary treasures is still hidden deep inside the dungeon you just wiped out. This makes the game Unwinnable.



** Missing an item makes a whole side-quest unwinnable, but not the main plot

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** Missing an item makes a whole side-quest unwinnable, but not the main plotplot.
1st Oct '17 5:49:24 PM deer-in-heelys
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** Albert is supposed to gather four other Chosen Ones and all of the legendary equipment in order to face Marduk. It is entirely possible to miss recruiting Princess Velvet or Pike, or to destroy a Load-Bearing Boss without realizing that one of the legendary treasures is still hidden deep inside the dungeon you just wiped out. This makes the game Unwinnable.

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** Albert Alice is supposed to gather four other Chosen Ones and all of the legendary equipment in order to face Marduk. It is entirely possible to miss recruiting Princess Velvet or Pike, or to destroy a Load-Bearing Boss without realizing that one of the legendary treasures is still hidden deep inside the dungeon you just wiped out. This makes the game Unwinnable.
30th Sep '17 4:16:05 PM deer-in-heelys
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* '''Straight''': Albert has to find the legendary gear of the great hero Miran. It's possible for him to miss collecting the Pendant of Power or Gauntlets of Greatness before the areas where they are hidden are destroyed by Marduk. If this occurs, the game is rendered Unwinnable.

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* '''Straight''': Albert Alice has to find the legendary gear of the great hero Miran. Sir Bob. It's possible for him her to miss collecting the Pendant of Power or Gauntlets of Greatness before the areas where they are hidden are destroyed by Marduk. Evulz. If this occurs, the game is rendered Unwinnable.unwinnable.
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