History PlayingWith / UnwinnableByDesign

29th Jul '16 2:28:38 PM Morgenthaler
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* '''Invoked''': Marduk is DangerouslyGenreSavvy and is deliberately hiding some of the legendary equipment in dungeons with {{Load Bearing Boss}}es so that Albert might accidentally make it impossible for him to retrieve, [[ScrewDestiny making the prophecy impossible to fulfill]].

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* '''Invoked''': Marduk is DangerouslyGenreSavvy and is deliberately hiding some of the legendary equipment in dungeons with {{Load Bearing Boss}}es so that Albert might accidentally make it impossible for him to retrieve, [[ScrewDestiny making the prophecy impossible to fulfill]].
17th May '16 9:11:07 PM VPhantom
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* '''Exaggerated''': Albert is supposed to gather four other Chosen Ones and all of the legendary equipment in order to face Marduk. It is entirely possible to miss recruiting Princess Velvet or Pike, or to destroy a Load-Bearing Boss without realizing that one of the legendary treasures is still hidden deep inside the dungeon you just wiped out. This makes the game Unwinnable.

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* '''Exaggerated''': '''Exaggerated''':
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Albert is supposed to gather four other Chosen Ones and all of the legendary equipment in order to face Marduk. It is entirely possible to miss recruiting Princess Velvet or Pike, or to destroy a Load-Bearing Boss without realizing that one of the legendary treasures is still hidden deep inside the dungeon you just wiped out. This makes the game Unwinnable.
17th May '16 7:56:03 AM GreatWyrmGold
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** Virtually every action you take in the game can cause an unwinnable state if you do it incorrectly or in the wrong order.
1st Nov '15 6:18:06 PM VPhantom
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* '''Exploited''': Bob torments alice by forcing her to play the game, knowing she'll find it VERY frustrating.

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* '''Exploited''': Bob torments alice Alice by forcing her to play the game, knowing she'll find it VERY frustrating.
1st Nov '15 3:14:20 PM doorhandle
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* '''Exploited''': ???

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* '''Exploited''': ???Bob torments alice by forcing her to play the game, knowing she'll find it VERY frustrating.
7th Apr '14 4:00:47 PM VPhantom
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* {{Exaggerated}}: Albert is supposed to gather four other Chosen Ones and all of the legendary equipment in order to face Marduk. It is entirely possible to miss recruiting Princess Velvet or Pike, or to destroy a Load-Bearing Boss without realizing that one of the legendary treasures is still hidden deep inside the dungeon you just wiped out. This makes the game Unwinnable.

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* {{Exaggerated}}: '''Exaggerated''': Albert is supposed to gather four other Chosen Ones and all of the legendary equipment in order to face Marduk. It is entirely possible to miss recruiting Princess Velvet or Pike, or to destroy a Load-Bearing Boss without realizing that one of the legendary treasures is still hidden deep inside the dungeon you just wiped out. This makes the game Unwinnable.
7th Apr '14 2:29:52 PM ChaoticNovelist
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* '''Straight''': [[TheHero Al]][[TokenHuman be]][[SummonMagic rt]] has to find the [[SwordOfPlotAdvancement legendary gear of the great hero Miran]]. It's possible for him to miss collecting the Pendant of Power or Gauntlets of Greatness before the areas where they are hidden are [[LostForever destroyed by]] [[BigBad Marduk]]. If this occurs, the game is rendered {{Unwinnable}}.
* '''Exaggerated''': Albert is supposed to gather [[FiveManBand four other]] [[TheChosenOne Chosen Ones]] and all of the legendary equipment in order to face [[BigBad Marduk]]. It is, however, entirely possible to miss recruiting [[EverythingsBetterWithPrincesses Prin]][[BigBadassBirdOfPrey cess]] [[TheBigGuy Vel]][[BareFistedMonk ve]][[ActionGirl t]] or [[TheSmartGuy Pi]][[BigBadassWolf k]][[BlackMage e]], or to destroy a LoadBearingBoss without realizing that one of the legendary treasures is still hidden deep inside the dungeon [[NiceJobBreakingItHero you just wiped out]]. This makes the game Unwinnable.

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* '''Straight''': [[TheHero Al]][[TokenHuman be]][[SummonMagic rt]] Albert has to find the [[SwordOfPlotAdvancement legendary gear of the great hero Miran]]. Miran. It's possible for him to miss collecting the Pendant of Power or Gauntlets of Greatness before the areas where they are hidden are [[LostForever destroyed by]] [[BigBad Marduk]]. by Marduk. If this occurs, the game is rendered {{Unwinnable}}.
* '''Exaggerated''':
Unwinnable.
*{{Exaggerated}}:
Albert is supposed to gather [[FiveManBand four other]] [[TheChosenOne other Chosen Ones]] Ones and all of the legendary equipment in order to face [[BigBad Marduk]]. Marduk. It is, however, is entirely possible to miss recruiting [[EverythingsBetterWithPrincesses Prin]][[BigBadassBirdOfPrey cess]] [[TheBigGuy Vel]][[BareFistedMonk ve]][[ActionGirl t]] Princess Velvet or [[TheSmartGuy Pi]][[BigBadassWolf k]][[BlackMage e]], Pike, or to destroy a LoadBearingBoss Load-Bearing Boss without realizing that one of the legendary treasures is still hidden deep inside the dungeon [[NiceJobBreakingItHero you just wiped out]].out. This makes the game Unwinnable.



* '''Zig Zagged''': The player is told flat-out that Albert ''needs'' to recruit the other Chosen Ones ''and'' warned that the legendary equipment is well-hidden and may be "LostForever to the sands of time" if they aren't careful. It's also impossible to miss recruiting [[TheLancer Ma]][[CoolHorse r]][[KnightInShiningArmor co]] or [[TheChick Ce]][[{{Catgirl}} le]][[WhiteMage ste]], and several warnings are given whenever the player is about to potentially bypass a vital item. On the other hand, Velvet is difficult to read and doesn't ''officially'' join until late-game, and [[LevelUpAtIntimacy5 only if treated well]], while Pike can be KilledOffForReal without the player even ''realizing'' you can rescue and recruit him, and other equipment can be accidentally missed.

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* '''Zig Zagged''': Zig Zagged: The player is told flat-out that Albert ''needs'' needs to recruit the other Chosen Ones ''and'' and warned that the legendary equipment is well-hidden and may be "LostForever "Lost Forever to the sands of time" if they aren't careful. It's also impossible to miss recruiting [[TheLancer Ma]][[CoolHorse r]][[KnightInShiningArmor co]] Marco or [[TheChick Ce]][[{{Catgirl}} le]][[WhiteMage ste]], Celeste, and several warnings are given whenever the player is about to potentially bypass a vital item. On the other hand, Velvet is difficult to read and doesn't ''officially'' officially join until late-game, and [[LevelUpAtIntimacy5 only if treated well]], well, while Pike can be KilledOffForReal Killed Off for Real without the player even ''realizing'' realizing you can rescue and recruit him, and other equipment can be accidentally missed.missed.



* '''Reconstructed''': The game designers take note of the criticism and implement some difficulty levels where the game is always winnable or provides merciful hints.

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* '''Reconstructed''': The game designers take note are catering to a niche group of the criticism and implement some difficulty levels where the game gamers that like this sort of thing. Anyone outside of that is always winnable or provides merciful hints.a bonus.
4th Feb '14 3:48:46 AM Nasrudith
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* '''Downplayed''': Missing an item makes a whole side-quest unwinnable, but not the main plot

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* '''Downplayed''': '''Downplayed''':
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Missing an item makes a whole side-quest unwinnable, but not the main plotplot
** [[YouLoseAtZeroTrust Angering Pike into leaving]] locks you into the bad end where Albert dies after defeating Marduk.
13th Nov '13 10:48:44 AM TrickyTroper
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Did you read this while having more than one tab and[=/=]or multiple browser windows opened?! Gosh DARN it! Now you can't head back to Unwinnable By Design for the final boss! [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Thanks for breaking it... bonehead]]...

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Did you read this while having more than one tab and[=/=]or multiple browser windows opened?! Gosh DARN it! Now you can't head back to Unwinnable By Design UnwinnableByDesign for the final boss! [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Thanks for breaking it... bonehead]]...
8th Jun '13 1:56:41 AM TheBagel
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** You can miss the Ultimate {{Mon}} - Apollo for Albert, Hades for Marco, Venus for Princess Velvet, Artemis for Celeste, and Chronos for Pike. They're the effect, not the cause.

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** You can miss the Ultimate {{Mon}} - Apollo for Albert, Hades for Marco, Venus for Princess Velvet, Artemis for Celeste, and Chronos for Pike.{{Mon}}. They're the effect, not the cause.
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