History PlayingWith / LoveableRogue

23rd Feb '17 9:07:41 PM nombretomado
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'''Basic Trope''': A character who breaks laws for their own benefit, yet remains charismatic and likable.
* '''Straight''': Natalie is a [[DeadpanSnarker sharp-tongued]] thief who joins [[TheHero Mark]]'s [[PlayerParty team]] and becomes a [[EnsembleDarkhorse fan favorite]].
* '''Exaggerated''': Natalie is a completely unrepentant thief who gleefully robs people all the time, making no effort whatsoever to hide this from her teammates -- but only targets citizens of TheEmpire, [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality making it okay.]]
* '''Downplayed''': Natalie is minor thief who joins Mark's team. Due to her invaluable skill in lockpicking and pickpocketing she manages to help the team along, but she's rarely shown stealing from people who wouldn't be considered an acceptable target in her eyes.
* '''Justified''': TheEmpire is genuinely oppressive; in order to get their heroing done ''someone'' in the group is going to end up breaking laws.
* '''Inverted''': Kevin is a stuffy, HolierThanThou LawfulStupid paladin viewed as his series' [[TheScrappy Scrappy]][=/=]HateSink.
* '''Subverted''':
** Natalie's likeable until she's revealed to be [[MoralEventHorizon extorting money from an orphanage of very sick kids.]]
** Natalie is really FauxAffablyEvil.
* '''Double Subverted''': The orphanage was actually a front for the bad guys; her extortion exposes their scheme, and the charismatic Natalie saves the day and her reputation.
* '''Parodied''': Natalie constantly steals from people, up to {{Impossible Thie|f}}ving Skills such as stealing a character's voice in the middle of a conversation, but she cracks jokes so funny even her enemies stop to laugh and always makes sure there is enough to go around for her friends.
* '''Zig Zagged''': Natalie's likeable until she's revealed to be [[MoralEventHorizon extorting money from an orphanage of very sick kids]], but the orphanage was actually a front for the bad guys; her extortion exposes their scheme, and the charismatic Natalie saves the day and her reputation. It then turns out that Natalie [[HowDidYouKnowIDidnt didn't know about the front of the orphanage at the time she was extorting them.]]
* '''Averted''':
** All of the characters who follow the rules are likable, and those who don't, aren't.
** Natalie's a rogue but isn't lovable. The team keeps her around because she's useful but none of the members trust her and are always vigilant of an inevitable backstab.
* '''Enforced''': "Everybody loves that Jack Sparrow guy, let's put someone like him in our show."
* '''Lampshaded''': "For a known criminal, you sure are popular."
* '''Invoked''': Natalie wants to keep up her criminal ways, so she works hard to come across as charismatic enough to get away with it.
* '''Exploited''': Natalie uses her reputation as a LovableRogue to exploit and gain things that she wouldn't normally gain if everyone distrusted her.
* '''Defied''': Natalie is a thief who tries to be convivial and charismatic, but everybody, even her teammates, [[WhatTheHellHero condemns her wrongdoings.]]
* '''Discussed''': "Well, some of what Natalie does isn't exactly legal, but damn if it isn't hard not to fall for her natural charms.
* '''Conversed''': "Why is it that everyone loves her even though she's a borderline kleptomaniac? It's like they don't even mind when she steals from them."
* '''Deconstructed''': Natalie's law-breaking gets her companions into trouble; she's forced to choose between continuing her criminal ways or helping her friends, with her Code of Honor hanging in the balance.
* '''Reconstructed''': Natalie [[TakeAThirdOption takes a third option]], busts her friends out of jail, is EasilyForgiven for the incident and everyone moves on, Natalie having learned to be a little more careful in the future.
* '''Played For Laughs:''' Natalie is a compulsive kleptomaniac who [[ImpossibleThief pulls off various stunts]] thanks to the RuleOfFunny, such as [[RunningGag routinely swiping things]] from any villain who dares monologue in her presence, like their pipe, their plot trinket, their pants...
* '''Played For Drama:''' Natalie's thievery drives a wedge between her and the more straight-laced members of their team, like Kevin. Though repeatedly asked to choose between focusing on their quest or continuing her life of crime, she continues to dodge the issue, refusing to pick one over the other even as the different lifestyles continue to clash.
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%%* '''Plotted A Good Waste''': ???

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'''Basic Trope''': A character who breaks laws for their own benefit, yet remains charismatic and likable.
* '''Straight''': Natalie is a [[DeadpanSnarker sharp-tongued]] thief who joins [[TheHero Mark]]'s [[PlayerParty team]] and becomes a [[EnsembleDarkhorse fan favorite]].
* '''Exaggerated''': Natalie is a completely unrepentant thief who gleefully robs people all the time, making no effort whatsoever to hide this from her teammates -- but only targets citizens of TheEmpire, [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality making it okay.]]
* '''Downplayed''': Natalie is minor thief who joins Mark's team. Due to her invaluable skill in lockpicking and pickpocketing she manages to help the team along, but she's rarely shown stealing from people who wouldn't be considered an acceptable target in her eyes.
* '''Justified''': TheEmpire is genuinely oppressive; in order to get their heroing done ''someone'' in the group is going to end up breaking laws.
* '''Inverted''': Kevin is a stuffy, HolierThanThou LawfulStupid paladin viewed as his series' [[TheScrappy Scrappy]][=/=]HateSink.
* '''Subverted''':
** Natalie's likeable until she's revealed to be [[MoralEventHorizon extorting money from an orphanage of very sick kids.]]
** Natalie is really FauxAffablyEvil.
* '''Double Subverted''': The orphanage was actually a front for the bad guys; her extortion exposes their scheme, and the charismatic Natalie saves the day and her reputation.
* '''Parodied''': Natalie constantly steals from people, up to {{Impossible Thie|f}}ving Skills such as stealing a character's voice in the middle of a conversation, but she cracks jokes so funny even her enemies stop to laugh and always makes sure there is enough to go around for her friends.
* '''Zig Zagged''': Natalie's likeable until she's revealed to be [[MoralEventHorizon extorting money from an orphanage of very sick kids]], but the orphanage was actually a front for the bad guys; her extortion exposes their scheme, and the charismatic Natalie saves the day and her reputation. It then turns out that Natalie [[HowDidYouKnowIDidnt didn't know about the front of the orphanage at the time she was extorting them.]]
* '''Averted''':
** All of the characters who follow the rules are likable, and those who don't, aren't.
** Natalie's a rogue but isn't lovable. The team keeps her around because she's useful but none of the members trust her and are always vigilant of an inevitable backstab.
* '''Enforced''': "Everybody loves that Jack Sparrow guy, let's put someone like him in our show."
* '''Lampshaded''': "For a known criminal, you sure are popular."
* '''Invoked''': Natalie wants to keep up her criminal ways, so she works hard to come across as charismatic enough to get away with it.
* '''Exploited''': Natalie uses her reputation as a LovableRogue to exploit and gain things that she wouldn't normally gain if everyone distrusted her.
* '''Defied''': Natalie is a thief who tries to be convivial and charismatic, but everybody, even her teammates, [[WhatTheHellHero condemns her wrongdoings.]]
* '''Discussed''': "Well, some of what Natalie does isn't exactly legal, but damn if it isn't hard not to fall for her natural charms.
* '''Conversed''': "Why is it that everyone loves her even though she's a borderline kleptomaniac? It's like they don't even mind when she steals from them."
* '''Deconstructed''': Natalie's law-breaking gets her companions into trouble; she's forced to choose between continuing her criminal ways or helping her friends, with her Code of Honor hanging in the balance.
* '''Reconstructed''': Natalie [[TakeAThirdOption takes a third option]], busts her friends out of jail, is EasilyForgiven for the incident and everyone moves on, Natalie having learned to be a little more careful in the future.
* '''Played For Laughs:''' Natalie is a compulsive kleptomaniac who [[ImpossibleThief pulls off various stunts]] thanks to the RuleOfFunny, such as [[RunningGag routinely swiping things]] from any villain who dares monologue in her presence, like their pipe, their plot trinket, their pants...
* '''Played For Drama:''' Natalie's thievery drives a wedge between her and the more straight-laced members of their team, like Kevin. Though repeatedly asked to choose between focusing on their quest or continuing her life of crime, she continues to dodge the issue, refusing to pick one over the other even as the different lifestyles continue to clash.
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%%* '''Implied''': ???
%%* '''Plotted A Good Waste''': ???
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28th Jul '13 4:53:29 PM BibsDibs
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* '''Inverted''': Kevin is a stuffy, HolierThanThou LawfulStupid paladin viewed as his series' [[TheScrappy Scrappy]][=/]HateSink.

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* '''Inverted''': Kevin is a stuffy, HolierThanThou LawfulStupid paladin viewed as his series' [[TheScrappy Scrappy]][=/]HateSink.Scrappy]][=/=]HateSink.
28th Jul '13 4:53:14 PM BibsDibs
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* '''Inverted''': Kevin is a stuffy, HolierThanThou LawfulStupid paladin viewed as his series' [[TheScrappy Scrappy]].

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* '''Inverted''': Kevin is a stuffy, HolierThanThou LawfulStupid paladin viewed as his series' [[TheScrappy Scrappy]].Scrappy]][=/]HateSink.
24th Apr '13 11:35:58 AM ilniaj
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* '''Exaggerated''': Natalie is a completely unrepentant thief who gleefully robs people all the time, making no effort whatsoever to hide this from her teammates -- but only targets citizens of TheEmpire, making it okay.

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* '''Exaggerated''': Natalie is a completely unrepentant thief who gleefully robs people all the time, making no effort whatsoever to hide this from her teammates -- but only targets citizens of TheEmpire, [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality making it okay.]]



* '''Zig Zagged''':
** ''Triple Subverted!'' Later questioning reveals that Natalie [[HowDidYouKnowIDidnt didn't know about the front at the time she was extorting them.]]
** Natalie's likeable until she's revealed to be [[MoralEventHorizon extorting money from an orphanage of very sick kids]], but the orphanage was actually a front for the bad guys; her extortion exposes their scheme, and the charismatic Natalie saves the day and her reputation. It then turns out that Natalie [[HowDidYouKnowIDidnt didn't know about the front of the orphanage at the time she was extorting them]], but
* '''Averted''': All of the characters who follow the rules are likable, and those who don't, aren't.

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* '''Zig Zagged''':
** ''Triple Subverted!'' Later questioning reveals
Zagged''': Natalie's likeable until she's revealed to be [[MoralEventHorizon extorting money from an orphanage of very sick kids]], but the orphanage was actually a front for the bad guys; her extortion exposes their scheme, and the charismatic Natalie saves the day and her reputation. It then turns out that Natalie [[HowDidYouKnowIDidnt didn't know about the front of the orphanage at the time she was extorting them.]]
* '''Averted''':
** Natalie's likeable until she's revealed to be [[MoralEventHorizon extorting money from an orphanage of very sick kids]], but the orphanage was actually a front for the bad guys; her extortion exposes their scheme, and the charismatic Natalie saves the day and her reputation. It then turns out that Natalie [[HowDidYouKnowIDidnt didn't know about the front of the orphanage at the time she was extorting them]], but
* '''Averted''':
All of the characters who follow the rules are likable, and those who don't, aren't.aren't.
** Natalie's a rogue but isn't lovable. The team keeps her around because she's useful but none of the members trust her and are always vigilant of an inevitable backstab.



* '''Exploited''': ???
* '''Defied''': Natalie is a thief who tries to be convivial and charismatic, but everybody, even her teammates, condemns her wrongdoings.

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* '''Exploited''': ???
Natalie uses her reputation as a LovableRogue to exploit and gain things that she wouldn't normally gain if everyone distrusted her.
* '''Defied''': Natalie is a thief who tries to be convivial and charismatic, but everybody, even her teammates, [[WhatTheHellHero condemns her wrongdoings.]]
17th Feb '13 7:18:00 AM VPhantom
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* '''Parodied''': Natalie constantly steals from people, up to ImprobableTheivingSkills such as stealing a character's voice in the middle of a conversation, but she cracks jokes so funny even her enemies stop to laugh and always makes sure there is enough to go around for her friends.

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* '''Parodied''': Natalie constantly steals from people, up to ImprobableTheivingSkills {{Impossible Thie|f}}ving Skills such as stealing a character's voice in the middle of a conversation, but she cracks jokes so funny even her enemies stop to laugh and always makes sure there is enough to go around for her friends.
17th Feb '13 12:03:57 AM skywerewolf
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* '''Parodied''': ???

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* '''Parodied''': ???Natalie constantly steals from people, up to ImprobableTheivingSkills such as stealing a character's voice in the middle of a conversation, but she cracks jokes so funny even her enemies stop to laugh and always makes sure there is enough to go around for her friends.
17th Feb '13 12:01:37 AM skywerewolf
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* '''Downplayed''': ???

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* '''Downplayed''': ???Natalie is minor thief who joins Mark's team. Due to her invaluable skill in lockpicking and pickpocketing she manages to help the team along, but she's rarely shown stealing from people who wouldn't be considered an acceptable target in her eyes.
26th Jan '13 3:13:49 AM sithlordservo
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** Natalie is really AffablyEvil.

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** Natalie is really AffablyEvil.FauxAffablyEvil.
25th Jan '13 10:00:17 AM VPhantom
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* '''Downplayed''': ???



* '''Triple Subverted''': Later questioning reveals that Natalie [[HowDidYouKnowIDidnt didn't know about the front at the time she was extorting them.]]



* '''Deconstructed''': Natalie's law-breaking gets her companions into trouble; she's forced to choose between continuing her criminal ways or helping her friends, with her Code of Honor hanging in the balance.
* '''Reconstructed''': Natalie [[TakeAThirdOption takes a third option]], busts her friends out of jail, is EasilyForgiven for the incident and everyone moves on, Natalie having learned to be a little more careful in the future.
* '''Zig Zagged''': Natalie's likeable until she's revealed to be [[MoralEventHorizon extorting money from an orphanage of very sick kids]], but the orphanage was actually a front for the bad guys; her extortion exposes their scheme, and the charismatic Natalie saves the day and her reputation. It then turns out that Natalie [[HowDidYouKnowIDidnt didn't know about the front of the orphanage at the time she was extorting them]], but

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* '''Deconstructed''': Natalie's law-breaking gets her companions into trouble; she's forced to choose between continuing her criminal ways or helping her friends, with her Code of Honor hanging in the balance.
* '''Reconstructed''': Natalie [[TakeAThirdOption takes a third option]], busts her friends out of jail, is EasilyForgiven for the incident and everyone moves on, Natalie having learned to be a little more careful in the future.
* '''Zig Zagged''': Zagged''':
** ''Triple Subverted!'' Later questioning reveals that Natalie [[HowDidYouKnowIDidnt didn't know about the front at the time she was extorting them.]]
**
Natalie's likeable until she's revealed to be [[MoralEventHorizon extorting money from an orphanage of very sick kids]], but the orphanage was actually a front for the bad guys; her extortion exposes their scheme, and the charismatic Natalie saves the day and her reputation. It then turns out that Natalie [[HowDidYouKnowIDidnt didn't know about the front of the orphanage at the time she was extorting them]], but but



* '''Invoked''': Natalie wants to keep up her criminal ways, so she works hard to come across as charismatic enough to get away with it.

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* '''Invoked''': Natalie wants to keep up her criminal ways, so she works hard to come across as charismatic enough to get away with it. it.
* '''Exploited''': ???



* '''Deconstructed''': Natalie's law-breaking gets her companions into trouble; she's forced to choose between continuing her criminal ways or helping her friends, with her Code of Honor hanging in the balance.
* '''Reconstructed''': Natalie [[TakeAThirdOption takes a third option]], busts her friends out of jail, is EasilyForgiven for the incident and everyone moves on, Natalie having learned to be a little more careful in the future.



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%%* '''Implied''': ???
%%* '''Plotted A Good Waste''': ???
19th Jun '12 3:05:35 PM FinalStarman
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* '''Subverted''': Natalie's likeable until she's revealed to be [[MoralEventHorizon extorting money from an orphanage of very sick kids.]]

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* '''Subverted''': '''Subverted''':
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Natalie's likeable until she's revealed to be [[MoralEventHorizon extorting money from an orphanage of very sick kids.]]



** '''Triple Subverted''': Later questioning reveals that Natalie [[HowDidYouKnowIDidnt didn't know about the front at the time she was extorting them.]]

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** * '''Triple Subverted''': Later questioning reveals that Natalie [[HowDidYouKnowIDidnt didn't know about the front at the time she was extorting them.]]



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