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29th Nov '16 6:45:59 AM VPhantom
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* '''Plotted A Good Waste''': The writer uses a conservative point of view in a controversial issue, so this view will probably be out-of-date soon.


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* '''Plotted A Good Waste''': The writer uses a conservative point of view in a controversial issue, so this view will probably be out-of-date soon.
24th Nov '16 1:14:36 AM ArcticYoshi45
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* '''Zig Zagged''': Initially a work appears to have potential ValuesResonance on a topic, with some arguments provided in favor of equality or fairness towards a group, but the person making the argument [[DontShootTheMessage uses questionable logic and reasoning]] or is ridiculed or dismissed [[StrawmanHasAPoint despite having surprisingly well-thought out arguments.]] However, characters who dissent with the idea acknowledge that just because it was refuted at that time [[SocietyMarchesOn doesn't mean the current orthodoxy will remain forever,]] and remain open to certain possible future developments or advocate a limited or conservative change... though enacting the idea in full would be [[ItWillNeverCatchOn unrealistic and radical.]]

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* '''Zig Zagged''': Initially a work appears to have potential ValuesResonance on a topic, with some arguments provided in favor of equality or fairness towards a discriminated group, but the person making the argument [[DontShootTheMessage uses questionable logic and reasoning]] or is ridiculed or and dismissed [[StrawmanHasAPoint despite having surprisingly well-thought out arguments.]] However, characters who dissent with the idea acknowledge that just because it was refuted at that time [[SocietyMarchesOn doesn't mean the current orthodoxy will remain forever,]] and remain open to certain possible future developments or advocate a limited or conservative change... though enacting the idea in full would be [[ItWillNeverCatchOn unrealistic and radical.]]
24th Nov '16 12:23:41 AM ArcticYoshi45
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* '''Zig Zagged''': ???

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* '''Zig Zagged''': ???Initially a work appears to have potential ValuesResonance on a topic, with some arguments provided in favor of equality or fairness towards a group, but the person making the argument [[DontShootTheMessage uses questionable logic and reasoning]] or is ridiculed or dismissed [[StrawmanHasAPoint despite having surprisingly well-thought out arguments.]] However, characters who dissent with the idea acknowledge that just because it was refuted at that time [[SocietyMarchesOn doesn't mean the current orthodoxy will remain forever,]] and remain open to certain possible future developments or advocate a limited or conservative change... though enacting the idea in full would be [[ItWillNeverCatchOn unrealistic and radical.]]
17th Jan '15 2:20:37 PM TrickyTroper
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* '''Exaggerated''': However, the work goes on to specifically mention things (such as how women are to behave, how men are the head of the family, etc.) that sound very backwards to modern readers used to gender equality.

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* '''Exaggerated''': However, the The work goes on to specifically mention mentions things (such as how women are to behave, how men are the head of the family, etc.) that sound very backwards to modern readers used to gender equality.



* '''Inverted''': The laws in question give women the same rights and responsibilities as men (and thus make perfect sense in the modern age).

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* '''Inverted''': The laws in question give women the same rights and responsibilities as men (and men, and thus make perfect sense in the modern age).age, but did not when the work was written.



* '''Discussed''':

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* '''Discussed''':'''Discussed''': "Dear reader, if you are living in a time when the views expressed in this work are outdated, my apologies."



* '''Deconstructed''': Even if it was comparatively fair, the work's ValuesDissonance is so bad (eg the "moral" of the story is a racist sentiment) that the work is far too offensive to be taken seriously.

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* '''Plotted A Good Waste''': The writer uses a conservative point of view in a controversial issue, so this view will probably be out-of-date soon.
* '''Deconstructed''': Even if it was comparatively fair, the work's ValuesDissonance is so bad (eg (e.g. the "moral" of the story is a racist sentiment) that the work is far too offensive to be taken seriously.



%%* '''Plotted A Good Waste''': ???
3rd Aug '13 1:24:49 PM VPhantom
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* '''Parodied''': The work ends up being a, not entirely accidental, AccidentalPeriodPiece with how society works, including people reacting, in story, to things the way society at the time would have.

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* '''Parodied''': The work ends up being a, not entirely accidental, AccidentalPeriodPiece UnintentionalPeriodPiece with how society works, including people reacting, in story, to things the way society at the time would have.
3rd Aug '13 1:09:42 PM skywerewolf
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* '''Lampshaded''': ???

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* '''Lampshaded''': ???"Do times not change, and attitudes not adjust? Why, we've just given women more freedom than they have had before, and maybe one day they will have even more freedom than that, and this freedom will seem small."
3rd Aug '13 1:05:53 PM skywerewolf
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* '''Downplayed''': ???

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* '''Downplayed''': ???Family politics in the story shows that the father commonly has the highest rank in the family, rather than the mother.



* '''Parodied''': ???

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* '''Parodied''': ???The work ends up being a, not entirely accidental, AccidentalPeriodPiece with how society works, including people reacting, in story, to things the way society at the time would have.
14th Jan '13 10:08:38 AM VPhantom
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'''Basic Trope''': A work or part of a work seems laden with ValuesDissonance to modern readers, but it made perfect sense (or was even a bit radical) in the time and place it was written in.
* '''Played Straight''': A set of laws gives its women certain rights (such as initiating divorce, partial inheritance, prohibiting the killing of a baby girl just because it's a girl, etc.) but not all the same rights or treatment as men.
* '''Exaggerated''': However, the work goes on to specifically mention things (such as how women are to behave, how men are the head of the family, etc.) that sound very backwards to modern readers used to gender equality.

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'''Basic Trope''': Trope''': A work or part of a work seems laden with ValuesDissonance to modern readers, but it made perfect sense (or was even a bit radical) in the time and place it was written in.
* '''Played Straight''': '''Straight''': A set of laws gives its women certain rights (such as initiating divorce, partial inheritance, prohibiting the killing of a baby girl just because it's a girl, etc.) but not all the same rights or treatment as men.
men.
* '''Exaggerated''': However, the work goes on to specifically mention things (such as how women are to behave, how men are the head of the family, etc.) that sound very backwards to modern readers used to gender equality. equality.
* '''Downplayed''': ???
* '''Justified''': Some changes were needed, but people are slow to affect change. Giving women some rights is better than giving them no rights at all.



* '''Justified''': Some changes were needed, but people are slow to affect change. Giving women some rights is better than giving them no rights at all.



* '''Deconstructed''': Even if it was comparatively fair, the work's ValuesDissonance is so bad (eg the "moral" of the story is a racist sentiment) that the work is far too offensive to be taken seriously.
* '''Reconstructed''': But still, it gives valuable insight into the context the work was made in
* '''Parodied''':
* '''Lampshaded''':

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* '''Deconstructed''': Even if it was comparatively fair, the work's ValuesDissonance is so bad (eg the "moral" of the story is a racist sentiment) that the work is far too offensive to be taken seriously.
'''Parodied''': ???
* '''Reconstructed''': But still, it gives valuable insight into the context the work was made in
* '''Parodied''':
* '''Lampshaded''':
'''Zig Zagged''': ???



* '''Lampshaded''': ???



* '''Defied''': This person writes in laws and edicts that specifically grant women the same rights, treatment, and responsibilities as men, and if people don't like it, too bad.
* '''Discussed''':

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* '''Exploited''': ???
* '''Defied''': This person writes in laws and edicts that specifically grant women the same rights, treatment, and responsibilities as men, and if people don't like it, too bad.
bad.
* '''Discussed''': '''Discussed''':



* '''Deconstructed''': Even if it was comparatively fair, the work's ValuesDissonance is so bad (eg the "moral" of the story is a racist sentiment) that the work is far too offensive to be taken seriously.
* '''Reconstructed''': But still, it gives valuable insight into the context the work was made in.



* '''Played For Drama''': Very often is.



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%%* '''Played For Drama''': ???
26th Feb '12 10:03:38 AM PacSol
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Back to FairForItsDay

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Back "This site may seem oppressive, what with requiring editors to FairForItsDaysign their edits with a screen name, but compared to similar sites of the time that required e-mail addresses, it was very much FairForItsDay."
18th Feb '12 7:53:47 AM NoMoreFun
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* '''Deconstructed''':
* '''Reconstructed''':
* '''Parodied''':

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* '''Deconstructed''':
'''Deconstructed''': Even if it was comparatively fair, the work's ValuesDissonance is so bad (eg the "moral" of the story is a racist sentiment) that the work is far too offensive to be taken seriously.
* '''Reconstructed''':
'''Reconstructed''': But still, it gives valuable insight into the context the work was made in
* '''Parodied''':'''Parodied''':



* '''Enforced''':

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* '''Enforced''':'''Enforced''': A period drama deliberately invokes this values dissonance in its characters for authenticity, but goes as far as possible to the fair side as to not completely alienate the audience.



* '''Discussed''':
* '''Conversed''':

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* '''Discussed''':
'''Discussed''':
* '''Conversed''':'''Conversed''': "That poem was so sexist." "It was, but compare it to everything else written back then."
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