History PlayingWith / EvilChancellor

5th Sep '17 6:10:58 AM MathsAngelicVersion
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* '''Subverted''': The Grand Vizier of Tropia seems to be loyal to his king…

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* '''Subverted''': '''Subverted''':
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The Grand Vizier of Tropia seems to be loyal to his king…king…
** Alice tells a story about how the evil Vizier tricked the King into enacting terrible policies. It turns out that she was an UnreliableExpositor trying to shift the blame for the King's screw-ups.
30th Jul '17 10:10:50 PM SkidTroper
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** The chancellor has some information or form of influence and they use it against the head of government.
12th Jun '17 1:39:50 PM eroock
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'''Basic Trope''': The king’s main advisor is evil and (usually) trying to overthrow him.

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'''Basic Trope''': The king’s king's main advisor is evil and (usually) trying to overthrow him.



* '''Downplayed''': The vizier is a neutral or AmbiguouslyEvil figure often at odds with his king, but most of his evil deeds are [[IDidWhatIHadToDo done out of necessity]] and he isn’t a main antagonist.

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* '''Downplayed''': The vizier is a neutral or AmbiguouslyEvil figure often at odds with his king, but most of his evil deeds are [[IDidWhatIHadToDo done out of necessity]] and he isn’t isn't a main antagonist.



* '''Double Subverted''': …but he isn’t good. The king is also evil, and working for him allows the vizier to subjugate and torture the populace ''more'' effectively.
* '''Parodied''': The Vizier is not ''nice'', but he’s a [[PokeThePoodle poodle-poking]] HarmlessVillain who only commits misdeeds because he’s “supposed to” (like the necromancer in ''Discworld/UnseenAcademicals''). He has no designs on the throne, he’s more likely to put salt in the king’s coffee than poison, he drives heroes away with cruel practical jokes or [[CutHisHeartOutWithASpoon bizarre threats]] rather than genuine harm, and the court, including the king, see him as their TokenEvilTeammate.

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* '''Double Subverted''': …but he isn’t isn't good. The king is also evil, and working for him allows the vizier to subjugate and torture the populace ''more'' effectively.
* '''Parodied''': The Vizier is not ''nice'', but he’s he's a [[PokeThePoodle poodle-poking]] HarmlessVillain who only commits misdeeds because he’s “supposed to” he's "supposed to" (like the necromancer in ''Discworld/UnseenAcademicals''). He has no designs on the throne, he’s he's more likely to put salt in the king’s king's coffee than poison, he drives heroes away with cruel practical jokes or [[CutHisHeartOutWithASpoon bizarre threats]] rather than genuine harm, and the court, including the king, see him as their TokenEvilTeammate.



** The Grand Vizier of Tropia seems to be disloyal, but is later revealed to be loyal and the signs of disloyalty were coincidental. His king is bad, though, so the heroes think they have to get rid of both of them … until the vizier pulls a [[TheStarscream Starscream]] and ''then'' reveals he was GoodAllAlong and overthrew the king so he could PayEvilUntoEvil, becoming a much fairer ruler once he’s on the throne.

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** The Grand Vizier of Tropia seems to be disloyal, but is later revealed to be loyal and the signs of disloyalty were coincidental. His king is bad, though, so the heroes think they have to get rid of both of them … until the vizier pulls a [[TheStarscream Starscream]] and ''then'' reveals he was GoodAllAlong and overthrew the king so he could PayEvilUntoEvil, becoming a much fairer ruler once he’s he's on the throne.



* '''Lampshaded''': The Grand Vizier throws a visiting hero into the dungeon for no reason. The hero turns to his cellmate and says, “You know, as soon as I saw the Grand Vizier, I was sort of expecting this.”
* '''Invoked''': The Grand Vizier is a good man, but his population doesn’t respect him. He assumes [[Creator/NiccoloMachiavelli Machiavelli]] was right, and attempts to seem more evil to make them fear him instead.
* '''Exploited''': The Grand Vizier’s assistant, aware of his master’s evil nature, uses that to arrange his own schemes, knowing everyone will just suspect the Vizier.
* '''Defied''': The Grand Vizier, knowing that people think he’s evil, spends most of his time finding ways to run the kingdom fairly and even [[PetTheDog pet a few dogs]] to make them stop thinking that.
* '''Discussed''': Hero Sir Tropesalot is talking with his FiveManBand about how they should be careful in kingdoms because every Grand Vizier they’ve ever encountered has been evil.

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* '''Lampshaded''': The Grand Vizier throws a visiting hero into the dungeon for no reason. The hero turns to his cellmate and says, “You "You know, as soon as I saw the Grand Vizier, I was sort of expecting this.
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* '''Invoked''': The Grand Vizier is a good man, but his population doesn’t doesn't respect him. He assumes [[Creator/NiccoloMachiavelli Machiavelli]] was right, and attempts to seem more evil to make them fear him instead.
* '''Exploited''': The Grand Vizier’s Vizier's assistant, aware of his master’s master's evil nature, uses that to arrange his own schemes, knowing everyone will just suspect the Vizier.
* '''Defied''': The Grand Vizier, knowing that people think he’s he's evil, spends most of his time finding ways to run the kingdom fairly and even [[PetTheDog pet a few dogs]] to make them stop thinking that.
* '''Discussed''': Hero Sir Tropesalot is talking with his FiveManBand about how they should be careful in kingdoms because every Grand Vizier they’ve they've ever encountered has been evil.



* '''Deconstructed''': The Grand Vizier is originally good and does his best to follow his king’s orders, but the people never think ill of their king and, because [[DiscussedTrope this trope exists in the world]], they blame the Vizier for any and all of the King’s mistakes, while not giving him any credit for things the government does ''right''. Consequently, he becomes very bitter and [[TheResenter resentful.]]

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* '''Deconstructed''': The Grand Vizier is originally good and does his best to follow his king’s king's orders, but the people never think ill of their king and, because [[DiscussedTrope this trope exists in the world]], they blame the Vizier for any and all of the King’s King's mistakes, while not giving him any credit for things the government does ''right''. Consequently, he becomes very bitter and [[TheResenter resentful.]]



* '''Played for Drama''': The Vizier’s malfeasance causes the Kingdom of Tropia to [[VestigialEmpire become a shadow of its former self.]]

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* '''Played for Drama''': The Vizier’s Vizier's malfeasance causes the Kingdom of Tropia to [[VestigialEmpire become a shadow of its former self.]]
14th Mar '17 11:17:18 AM Dimon
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** Because the king is so good-natured, he is also [[GoodIsDumb very naïve and trusting]], making him a HorribleJudgeOfCharacter, so as blatant as the vizier's wickedness might be, he fails to notice it.

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** Because the king is so good-natured, he is also [[GoodIsDumb very naïve naive and trusting]], making him a HorribleJudgeOfCharacter, so as blatant as the vizier's wickedness might be, he fails to notice it.
26th Jan '17 9:19:10 PM BananaPancakes
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'''Basic Trope''': The king's main advisor is evil and (usually) trying to overthrow him.
* '''Straight''': TheKingdom of Tropia has [[TheGoodKing a good king]] and an evil GrandVizier. Or, the United States of Trope has a good President and an evil Vice President.

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'''Basic Trope''': The king's king’s main advisor is evil and (usually) trying to overthrow him.
* '''Straight''': TheKingdom of Tropia has [[TheGoodKing a good king]] and an evil GrandVizier. GrandVizier or Prime Minister. Or, the United States of Trope has a good President and an evil Vice President.President or Prime Minister.



* '''Downplayed''': The vizier is a neutral or AmbiguouslyEvil figure often at odds with his king, but most of his evil deeds are [[IDidWhatIHadToDo done out of necessity]] and he isn't a main antagonist.

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* '''Downplayed''': The vizier is a neutral or AmbiguouslyEvil figure often at odds with his king, but most of his evil deeds are [[IDidWhatIHadToDo done out of necessity]] and he isn't isn’t a main antagonist.



** Exactly because the king is good-natured, he is also very naïve and trusting which makes him a HorribleJudgeOfCharacter, so despite how blatant the vizier's wickedness might be, he fails to notice it.

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** Exactly because Because the king is so good-natured, he is also [[GoodIsDumb very naïve and trusting which makes trusting]], making him a HorribleJudgeOfCharacter, so despite how as blatant as the vizier's wickedness might be, he fails to notice it.



** Chancellors, Prime Minsters, Grand Advisors and such had more power as actual Heads of Government with little publicity, making these positions suitable spots for TheManBehindTheMan.

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** Chancellors, Prime Minsters, Ministers, Grand Advisors Advisors, and such had more power as actual Heads of Government with little publicity, making these positions suitable spots for TheManBehindTheMan.



* '''Subverted''': The Grand Vizier of Tropia seems to be loyal to his king...
* '''Double Subverted''': ...but he isn't good. The king is also evil and working for him allows the vizier to subjugate and torture the populace ''more'' effectively.
* '''Parodied''': The Vizier is not ''nice'', but he's a [[PokeThePoodle poodle-poking]] HarmlessVillain who's only being bad because he's "supposed to" (like the necromancer in ''Discworld/UnseenAcademicals''). He's not really trying to take over, he's more likely to put salt in the king's coffee than poison, he drives heroes away with cruel practical jokes or [[CutHisHeartOutWithASpoon bizarre threats]] rather than genuine harm, and the court, including the king, see him as their TokenEvilTeammate.

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* '''Subverted''': The Grand Vizier of Tropia seems to be loyal to his king...
king…
* '''Double Subverted''': ...but Subverted''': …but he isn't isn’t good. The king is also evil evil, and working for him allows the vizier to subjugate and torture the populace ''more'' effectively.
* '''Parodied''': The Vizier is not ''nice'', but he's he’s a [[PokeThePoodle poodle-poking]] HarmlessVillain who's who only being bad commits misdeeds because he's "supposed to" he’s “supposed to” (like the necromancer in ''Discworld/UnseenAcademicals''). He's not really trying to take over, he's He has no designs on the throne, he’s more likely to put salt in the king's king’s coffee than poison, he drives heroes away with cruel practical jokes or [[CutHisHeartOutWithASpoon bizarre threats]] rather than genuine harm, and the court, including the king, see him as their TokenEvilTeammate.



** The Grand Vizier of Tropia seems to be disloyal, but is later revealed to be loyal and the signs of disloyalty were coincidental. However, his king is bad, so the heroes think they have to get rid of both of them...until the vizier pulls a [[TheStarscream Starscream]] and ''then'' reveals he was GoodAllAlong and overthrew the king in order to PayEvilUntoEvil, becoming a much fairer ruler once he's actually on the throne.

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** The Grand Vizier of Tropia seems to be disloyal, but is later revealed to be loyal and the signs of disloyalty were coincidental. However, his His king is bad, though, so the heroes think they have to get rid of both of them...them … until the vizier pulls a [[TheStarscream Starscream]] and ''then'' reveals he was GoodAllAlong and overthrew the king in order to so he could PayEvilUntoEvil, becoming a much fairer ruler once he's actually he’s on the throne.



* '''Averted''': The chancellor of Tropia is [[TheGoodChancellor a good man and loyal to his king]].

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* '''Averted''': The chancellor of Tropia is [[TheGoodChancellor a good man and loyal to his king]].king.]]



* '''Lampshaded''': The Grand Vizier throws a visiting hero into the dungeon for no reason. The hero turns to his cellmate and says, "You know, as soon as I saw the Grand Vizier, I was sort of expecting this."
* '''Invoked''': The Grand Vizier is a good man, but his population doesn't respect him. He assumes [[Creator/NiccoloMachiavelli Machiavelli]] was right, and attempts to seem more evil to make them fear him instead.
* '''Exploited''': The Grand Vizier's assistant, aware of his master's evil nature, uses that to arrange his own schemes, knowing everyone will just assume the Vizier is behind it.
* '''Defied''': The Grand Vizier knows that people think he's evil, and spends most of his time finding ways to run the kingdom fairly and even [[PetTheDog pet a few dogs]] to make them stop thinking that.
* '''Discussed''': Hero Sir Tropesalot is talking with his FiveManBand about how they should be careful in kingdoms because every time they've run into a Grand Vizier he's been evil.
* '''Conversed''': Political candidate Thomas Roper talks to his campaign team about finding a trustworthy running mate and mentions how it would be easier if the real-world evil viziers were as obvious as the fictional ones.
* '''Implied''': The head of state ''seems'' much more pleasant than the head of government or chief administrator/advisor/what have you.
* '''Deconstructed''': The Grand Vizier is originally good and does his best to follow his king's orders, but the people never think ill of their king and, because [[DiscussedTrope this trope exists in the world]] they blame the Vizier for any of the King's mistakes, while not giving him any credit for things the government does ''right''. As a result, he becomes very bitter and [[TheResenter resentful]].

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* '''Lampshaded''': The Grand Vizier throws a visiting hero into the dungeon for no reason. The hero turns to his cellmate and says, "You “You know, as soon as I saw the Grand Vizier, I was sort of expecting this."

* '''Invoked''': The Grand Vizier is a good man, but his population doesn't doesn’t respect him. He assumes [[Creator/NiccoloMachiavelli Machiavelli]] was right, and attempts to seem more evil to make them fear him instead.
* '''Exploited''': The Grand Vizier's Vizier’s assistant, aware of his master's master’s evil nature, uses that to arrange his own schemes, knowing everyone will just assume suspect the Vizier is behind it.
Vizier.
* '''Defied''': The Grand Vizier knows Vizier, knowing that people think he's he’s evil, and spends most of his time finding ways to run the kingdom fairly and even [[PetTheDog pet a few dogs]] to make them stop thinking that.
* '''Discussed''': Hero Sir Tropesalot is talking with his FiveManBand about how they should be careful in kingdoms because every time they've run into a Grand Vizier he's they’ve ever encountered has been evil.
* '''Conversed''': Political candidate Thomas Roper talks to his campaign team about finding a trustworthy running mate deputy and mentions how it would be easier if the real-world evil viziers were as obvious as the fictional ones.
* '''Implied''': The head of state ''seems'' much more pleasant than the head of government or chief administrator/advisor/what have you.
administrator/advisor/second-in-command.
* '''Deconstructed''': The Grand Vizier is originally good and does his best to follow his king's king’s orders, but the people never think ill of their king and, because [[DiscussedTrope this trope exists in the world]] world]], they blame the Vizier for any and all of the King's King’s mistakes, while not giving him any credit for things the government does ''right''. As a result, Consequently, he becomes very bitter and [[TheResenter resentful]].resentful.]]



* '''Played for Drama''': The Vizier’s malfeasance causes the Kingdom of Tropia to [[VestigialEmpire become a shadow of its former self.]]



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15th Nov '16 10:55:47 AM TheAmazingBlachman
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** Exactly because the king is good-natured, he is also very naïve and trusting which makes him a HorribleJudgeOfCharacter, so despite how blatant the vizier's wickedness might be, he fails to notice it.
14th Apr '16 10:01:34 PM BananaPancakes
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* '''Straight''': TheKingdom of Tropia has a good king and an evil GrandVizier. Or, the United States of Trope has a good President and an evil Vice President.
* '''Exaggerated''': The GrandVizier is ObviouslyEvil, refers to himself ''as'' the Evil Grand Vizier, and still has his job.
* '''Downplayed''': The vizier is a neutral or AmbiguouslyEvil figure often at odds with his king, but he usually [[IDidWhatIHadToDo does evil things out of necessity]] and isn't a main antagonist.

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* '''Straight''': TheKingdom of Tropia has [[TheGoodKing a good king king]] and an evil GrandVizier. Or, the United States of Trope has a good President and an evil Vice President.
* '''Exaggerated''': The GrandVizier is ObviouslyEvil, [[CardCarryingVillain refers to himself ''as'' himself]] ''[[CardCarryingVillain as]]'' [[CardCarryingVillain the Evil Grand Vizier, Vizier]], and still has his job.
* '''Downplayed''': The vizier is a neutral or AmbiguouslyEvil figure often at odds with his king, but he usually most of his evil deeds are [[IDidWhatIHadToDo does evil things done out of necessity]] and he isn't a main antagonist.



** The Grand Vizier of Tropia seems to be disloyal, but is later revealed to be loyal and the signs of disloyalty were coincidental. However, the king he is loyal to is bad, so the heroes think they have to get rid of both of them...until the vizier pulls a [[TheStarscream Starscream]] and ''then'' reveals he was GoodAllAlong and overthrew the king in order to PayEvilUntoEvil, becoming a much fairer ruler once he's actually on the throne.

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** The Grand Vizier of Tropia seems to be disloyal, but is later revealed to be loyal and the signs of disloyalty were coincidental. However, the his king he is loyal to is bad, so the heroes think they have to get rid of both of them...until the vizier pulls a [[TheStarscream Starscream]] and ''then'' reveals he was GoodAllAlong and overthrew the king in order to PayEvilUntoEvil, becoming a much fairer ruler once he's actually on the throne.



* '''Averted''': The chancellor of Tropia is [[TheGoodChancellor a good man and loyal to his king.]]

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* '''Averted''': The chancellor of Tropia is [[TheGoodChancellor a good man and loyal to his king.]]king]].



* '''Lampshaded''': The Grand Vizier throws a visiting hero into the dungeon for no reason. The hero turns to his cellmate and says "You know, once I saw the Grand Vizier I was sort of expecting this."
* '''Invoked''': The Grand Vizier is a good man, but his populace don't respect him. He assumes Machiavelli was right, and attempts to seem more evil so that they will fear him instead.
* '''Exploited''': The Grand Vizier's assistant is aware of his master's evil nature, and uses that to arrange his own schemes, knowing everyone will just assume the Vizier is behind it.
* '''Defied''': The Grand Vizier knows that people think he's evil, and spends most of his time finding ways to run the kingdom fairly and even [[PetTheDog pet a few dogs]] so that they'll stop thinking that.

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* '''Lampshaded''': The Grand Vizier throws a visiting hero into the dungeon for no reason. The hero turns to his cellmate and says says, "You know, once as soon as I saw the Grand Vizier Vizier, I was sort of expecting this."
* '''Invoked''': The Grand Vizier is a good man, but his populace don't population doesn't respect him. He assumes Machiavelli [[Creator/NiccoloMachiavelli Machiavelli]] was right, and attempts to seem more evil so that they will to make them fear him instead.
* '''Exploited''': The Grand Vizier's assistant is assistant, aware of his master's evil nature, and uses that to arrange his own schemes, knowing everyone will just assume the Vizier is behind it.
* '''Defied''': The Grand Vizier knows that people think he's evil, and spends most of his time finding ways to run the kingdom fairly and even [[PetTheDog pet a few dogs]] so that they'll to make them stop thinking that.



* '''Deconstructed''': The Grand Vizier is originally good and does his best to follow his king's orders, but the people never think ill of their king and, because [[DiscussedTrope this trope exists in the world]] they blame the Vizier for any of the King's mistakes, while not giving him any credit for things the government does ''right''. As a result, he's a very bitter and resentful character.

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* '''Implied''': The head of state ''seems'' much more pleasant than the head of government or chief administrator/advisor/what have you.
* '''Deconstructed''': The Grand Vizier is originally good and does his best to follow his king's orders, but the people never think ill of their king and, because [[DiscussedTrope this trope exists in the world]] they blame the Vizier for any of the King's mistakes, while not giving him any credit for things the government does ''right''. As a result, he's a he becomes very bitter and resentful character.[[TheResenter resentful]].



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22nd Mar '14 4:32:28 PM thestor
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* '''Reconstructed''': His bitterness leads him to hate the King, becoming the evil vizier that everyone already thought he was.

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* '''Reconstructed''': His bitterness leads him to hate the King, [[ThenLetMeBeEvil becoming the evil vizier vizier]] that everyone already thought he was.
25th Jan '14 4:37:06 PM SKJAM
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* '''Exploited''': ???

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* '''Exploited''': ???The Grand Vizier's assistant is aware of his master's evil nature, and uses that to arrange his own schemes, knowing everyone will just assume the Vizier is behind it.
29th Apr '13 6:35:50 AM VPhantom
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* '''Justified''': The work is historically based and the period of history actually ''did'' have a coup by a grand vizier.

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* '''Justified''': '''Justified''':
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The work is historically based and the period of history actually ''did'' have a coup by a grand vizier.
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