History PlayingWith / CanTArgueWithElves

24th Apr '18 10:42:16 PM AnonFangeekGirl
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* '''Downplayed''': Elves have a tendency to ramble on, but they are fair to all. Avaril will often include things in these monologues like "Now, the human general Leo once came up with a much better plan for the war than the elves did" and "your style was better than elves for sure, but there are few things i would like to suggest" that show that the elves don't think they are the only ones who can be great.

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Elves have a tendency to ramble on, but they are fair to all. Avaril will often include things in these monologues like "Now, the human general Leo once came up with a much better plan for the war than the elves did" and "your style was better than elves for sure, but there are few things i would like to suggest" that show that the elves don't think they are the only ones who can be great.great.
** Avaril snarks a bit about those crazy humans and their love of fire and propensity to wear pants, but overall he acknowledges his companions' strengths and doesn't think that elven morality is superior to that of other races.



** Elves are the oldest race around, and ''most'' elves will admit the reason they're better than everybody is because they had been there, done that, and survived to wear the t-shirt out long ago...and everybody knows it. Either Kate and George know Avaril is normal for elves willing to go adventuring--and they do want to benefit from the lessons the elves learned--or are aware that, actually, Avaril is [[BlueAndOrangeMorality by elven standards]] treating them like fellow elves.

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** Elves are the oldest race around, and ''most'' elves will admit the reason they're better than everybody is because they had been there, done that, and survived to wear the t-shirt out long ago...and everybody knows it. Either Kate and George know Avaril is normal normal for elves willing to go adventuring--and they do want to benefit from the lessons the elves learned--or are aware that, actually, Avaril is [[BlueAndOrangeMorality by elven standards]] treating them like fellow elves.elves.
** Elves just made FirstContact with races a little while ago. Avaril isn't prepared for the comparative BlueAndOrangeMorality of his human companions, so of course he thinks poorly of them compared to the only culture he's known for most of his life. Kate and George let it go because they know that Avaril [[UndyingLoyalty would die for them if need be]] and he doesn't ''actually'' think that humans are weak, just bizarre, and he'll eventually get over it when he gets more used to elven culture not being the only way to do things.



** Elves are far and away the best species... at gardening. Avaril can't help but lecture his somewhat botanically-ignorant companions about how those are ''hydrangeas'' not hibiscus and the proper way to maintain strawberry patches. Kate and George never comment because everyone ''but'' the elves realizes that the topic really isn't that important in the grand scheme of things.



* '''Enforced''': Avaril and the elf society is being constructed as a MarySuetopia reflecting the author's beliefs and ideal view of the world; as such, the author has the other character bow down to the elf viewpoint because it is the viewpoint that the author believes everyone should possess.

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* '''Enforced''': Avaril and the elf society is being constructed as a MarySuetopia reflecting the author's beliefs and ideal view of the world; as such, the author has all the other character non-Strawman characters bow down to the elf viewpoint because it is according to the viewpoint that author, the author believes everyone elves are entirely right and as such should possess.naturally be agreed with.



** Kate is well aware of Avaril's monologing. In order to get the big bad to back down, she decides to get Avaril going while the big bad is listening, in order to make the big bad agree with Avaril and give up his plans.

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** Kate is well aware of Avaril's monologing. In order to get the big bad to back down, she decides to get Avaril going while the big bad is listening, in order to make the big bad agree with Avaril and give set up his plans.an ambush by George.



* '''Deconstructed''': Elf society is hated and feared among 'lesser' races for its arrogance, self-righteousness and elitist viewpoints, but because of their tremendous powers and abilities the other races tend to prefer to live in quiet resentment rather than calling the elves out and risking retribution. However, when the elves ''do'' face a threat that they are unable to face alone, their habit of burning bridges due to this self-righteousness comes back to bite them when none of their 'allies' are particularly willing to come to their aid because of it: "[[ScrewYouElves If you're so superior, you can take care of this yourselves.]]"

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* '''Deconstructed''': '''Deconstructed''':
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Elf society is hated and feared among 'lesser' races for its arrogance, self-righteousness and elitist viewpoints, but because of their tremendous powers and abilities the other races tend to prefer to live in quiet resentment rather than calling the elves out and risking retribution. However, when the elves ''do'' face a threat that they are unable to face alone, their habit of burning bridges due to this self-righteousness comes back to bite them when none of their 'allies' are particularly willing to come to their aid because of it: "[[ScrewYouElves If you're so superior, you can take care of this yourselves.]]"]]"
** Kate and George may not start arguments with Avaril every night over his moralizing, but being constantly told that they're lesser in some way (even when [[JerkassHasAPoint Avaril is sometimes right]]) irritates them and eventually causes the party to break up at the worst possible time.
12th Apr '17 5:40:46 PM dclark
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* '''Double Subverted''': Kate attempts to call out Avaril, but Avaril easily rebuts her points, disarms her in combat and, to add insult to injury, delivers a pointed lecture about how humanity's base impulses towards responding to challenges with violence is so less effective than the way of peace the elves have developed.

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* '''Double Subverted''': Subverted''':
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Kate attempts to call out Avaril, but Avaril easily rebuts her points, disarms her in combat and, to add insult to injury, delivers a pointed lecture about how humanity's base impulses towards responding to challenges with violence is so less effective than the way of peace the elves have developed.developed.
** Kate calls out and defeats Avaril... at which point he seamlessly switches to browbeating everyone with elven ''moral'' superiority- after all, only a crude simple human would attempt to resolve an intellectual debate, even one in which she was losing so badly, with brute combat. He wraps up by explaining that he allowed her to win in order to spare her feelings and pointing out numerous flaws in her technique before admitting that with her sub-par human reflexes there's really not much she can do to improve on them. The rest of the party sits by and nods in agreement.
13th Jun '16 5:15:37 AM VPhantom
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* '''Exaggerated''': Literally every single communication between elves and humans consists of the elves delivering a lengthy monologue on how elves are infinitely superior in every way to humans, while the humans just stand there and meekly listen.

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* '''Exaggerated''': '''Exaggerated''':
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Literally every single communication between elves and humans consists of the elves delivering a lengthy monologue on how elves are infinitely superior in every way to humans, while the humans just stand there and meekly listen.



%%* '''Implied''': ???
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12th Jun '16 12:51:34 PM DoctorTItanX
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** When the elves or anothre species bring in unedited evidence that they are immeasurably superior to humanity beyond time and space, humans are literally incapable of arguing verbally or any other way, as their mere power prevents them from speaking however they wish and physically unable to oppose them.

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** When the elves or anothre another species bring in unedited evidence that they are objectively and immeasurably superior to humanity beyond time and space, humans are literally ''literally'' incapable of arguing verbally or any other way, way to oppose them, as their the superior species' mere power prevents them from physically speaking to them however they wish and physically unable to oppose them.wish, even positively.
12th Jun '16 12:49:56 PM DoctorTItanX
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** When the elves or anothe species bring in unedited evidence that they are immeasurably superior to humanity beyond time and space, humans are literally incapable of arguing verbally or any other way, as their mere power prevents them from speaking however they wish and physically unable to oppose them.

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** When the elves or anothe anothre species bring in unedited evidence that they are immeasurably superior to humanity beyond time and space, humans are literally incapable of arguing verbally or any other way, as their mere power prevents them from speaking however they wish and physically unable to oppose them.
12th Jun '16 12:49:25 PM DoctorTItanX
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** When the elves or anothe species bring in unedited evidence that they are immeasurably superior to humanity beyond time and space, humans are literally incapable of arguing verbally or any other way, as their mere power prevents them from speaking however they wish and physically unable to oppose them.
16th Oct '13 12:55:59 PM VPhantom
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* '''Subverted''': After another of Avaril's lectures, Kate essentially says "ScrewYouElves," calls him out on his arrogance and defeats him in combat, demonstrating that humans are superior in some ways to elves.
** Avaril claims that elves are superior... [[BlueAndOrangeMorality but his priorities and standards are very, very different from those common in humans]].

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* '''Subverted''': '''Subverted''':
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After another of Avaril's lectures, Kate essentially says "ScrewYouElves," calls him out on his arrogance and defeats him in combat, demonstrating that humans are superior in some ways to elves.
** Avaril claims that elves are superior... [[BlueAndOrangeMorality but his priorities and standards are very, very different from those common in humans]]. humans]].
** Avaril is straight-up deluded, and is to elf-kind what the worst [[EagleLand Eagle Landers]] are to America. ([[StopBeingStereotypical Less bigoted elves find him deeply embarrassing]].)



** Avaril is straight-up deluded, and is to elf-kind what the worst [[EagleLand Eagle Landers]] are to America. ([[StopBeingStereotypical Less bigoted elves find him deeply embarrassing]].)
16th Oct '13 3:09:02 AM Chaos009
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** Avaril is straight-up deluded, and is to elf-kind what the worst [[EagleLand Eagle Landers]] are to America. ([[StopBeingStereotypical Other elves consider him an embarrassment]].

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** Avaril is straight-up deluded, and is to elf-kind what the worst [[EagleLand Eagle Landers]] are to America. ([[StopBeingStereotypical Other Less bigoted elves consider find him an embarrassment]].deeply embarrassing]].)
16th Oct '13 2:37:37 AM Chaos009
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** Avaril claims that elves are superior... [[BlueAndOrangeMorality but his priorities and standards are very, very different from those common in humans]].



* '''Averted''': Avaril and his fellow elves are more or less equal to the other races in the world and act as such.

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* '''Averted''': Avaril and his fellow elves are more or less equal to the other races in the world and act as such.
** Avaril is straight-up deluded, and is to elf-kind what the worst [[EagleLand Eagle Landers]] are to America. ([[StopBeingStereotypical Other elves consider him an embarrassment]].
6th Aug '13 11:47:00 PM VPhantom
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* '''Exploited''': Kate is well aware of Avaril's monologing. In order to get the big bad to back down, she decides to get Avaril going while the big bad is listening, in order to make the big bad agree with Avaril and give up his plans.
** Alternatively, Avaril's sheer long-windedness and smug condescension bore the villain to death.

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* '''Exploited''': '''Exploited''':
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Kate is well aware of Avaril's monologing. In order to get the big bad to back down, she decides to get Avaril going while the big bad is listening, in order to make the big bad agree with Avaril and give up his plans.
** Alternatively, His allies end up using Avaril's sheer long-windedness and smug condescension bore the a villain to death.
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